[00:34] <ojwb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12668190 has a coloured map of the altitude change from the quake
[02:57] <thumper> oneiric?
[02:57] <thumper> really?
[02:57] <thumper> what was he smoking
[02:57] <thumper> I wanted "orsum octopus"
[03:00] <ajmitch_> thumper: what's great is having to spell oneiric correctly in every changelog for package uploads :)
[03:00]  * thumper thinks "one iric"
[03:00] <thumper> close to "one eric"
[03:01] <ajmitch_> it was bad enough seeing people talk about 'drapper' all the time
[03:03] <ojwb> ajmitch_: I'm not sure I ever type the distro name myself in the changelog...
[03:04] <ajmitch_> ojwb: it's much better for debian of course
[03:04] <ajmitch_> dch probably does the right thing, but enough people don't use that
[03:05] <snail> ojwb: I was going to say that debian solves the release naming problem by not having releases, but debian has been getting much better
[03:05] <ojwb> well, I create packages for PPAs at least
[03:06] <ojwb> and yes, dch can be made smart about it
[03:06] <ajmitch_> even with debian, packages are generally uploaded to unstable
[03:11] <ojwb> snail: despite what people seem to think, the longest gap between debian releases was less than 3 years
[03:12] <ojwb> it's basically settled down to around 2 recently, which is the same as the LTS schedule
[03:12] <snail> ojwb: yes, there's a nice graph on the wikipedia page.
[03:13] <snail> around here, the six monthly release cycle goes down well because people understand fixed schedules
[03:14] <ojwb> it's nice for some uses, and painful for others
[03:15] <snail> ojwb: indeed
[18:34] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:04] <karora> evening :-)
[19:06] <ajmitch_> morning
[19:06] <ibeardslee> where are you atm?
[19:21] <karora> Tonight I'm in Koblenz.
[19:22] <karora> Tomorrow night Frankfurt, before I fly home.
[19:22]  * karora managed to get a free booth for DAViCal at CeBIT.
[19:27] <ibeardslee> nice
[19:27] <ibeardslee> how is the android app coming along?
[19:33] <Atamira> mornin
[19:35] <karora> ibeardslee: It's good. I put it in the market just before I left, and I have done a few updates since then.
[19:35] <karora> At CeBIT I was installing it manually on the phone of anyone who asked.
[19:35]  * ajmitch_ should probably get a decent phone sometime soon
[19:36]  * ibeardslee has an android now
[19:37] <ibeardslee> still trying to migrate the iphone 'config' and data to it
[19:38]  * ajmitch_ has an antique that barely works
[19:38] <ajmitch_> not sure which android phone would be best
[19:39]  * ibeardslee got a IDEOS off trademe as a 1/2 step towards the Samsung Galaxy S II
[19:39] <ibeardslee> will need to sell the iphone and mac mini
[19:42] <ibeardslee> mutter mutter tells you about the $0.30 GST when you go pay for it ;)
[19:42] <karora> ajmitch_: Essentially it comes down to budget.  If you're cheap, get the Huawei Ideos. If you have a little more money get the smaller Samsung. If price is no object get the Galaxy S, or the new Galaxy Pro (with a keyboard).
[19:43] <karora> I have a Nexus One and it still rocks.  I've been playing with a few keyboard phones and I think I'm now happier without one, but the Nexus S and the HTC Desire Z seem to do it for a lot of people as well.
[19:44]  * karora got the Ideos for his son.
[19:44] <karora> Though $SON doesn't get much use out of it 'cause Dad's always borrowing it for testing :-)
[19:44]  * ajmitch_ might look around & see if he can find one
[19:45] <karora> I got it for $279 at Christmas, with a $150 credit on 2 degrees.
[19:46] <ibeardslee> ajmitch_: I got mine for <>$160 off trademe .. no sim
[19:46] <karora> Price equivalence, huh :-)
[19:47] <karora> It's a little underpowered, and the screen is a little small, but by and large it works well.
[19:47] <ajmitch_> yeah, anything would work better than what I currently have :)
[19:48] <karora> And it does have a capacitive touch - much nicer to use than the crappy vodafone cheap-ass one.
[19:48] <ibeardslee> I do have 'fun' with the onscreen keyboard
[19:48] <karora> I've got used to it on the Nexus One, but the Ideos is just that smidgin slower that makes it harder to use.
[19:49] <ibeardslee> karora: would be nice to have the new server setup and take you back to the settings already entered if the setup fails
[19:51] <ajmitch_> $299 for the ideos from 2degreesmobile.co.nz
[19:53] <ibeardslee> http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/searchresults.aspx?sort_order=&searchType=0344-9113-&searchString=ideos+u8150&x=0&y=0&searchregion=100&type=Search&redirectFromAll=False&generalSearch_keypresses=5&generalSearch_suggested=11&%3FsupprR=1&z=12
[19:53] <ibeardslee> a bit more variety of price if you already have an vodafone or 2 degress sim
[19:53] <ajmitch_> yeah
[19:54] <ajmitch_> just a prepaid vodafone SIM
[20:06] <karora> ibeardslee: In aCal? Yeah, the configuration stuff does have to change.
[20:08] <ibeardslee> karora: yeah .. 4th time entering the data to get a connection is starting to wear a bit thin ;)
[20:09] <ibeardslee> "Server did not provide a principal path" ?
[20:10] <karora> ibeardslee: You can long-press on a working one to save an XML file onto your SDCard.
[20:11] <karora> It will look in the /sdcard/acal folder for such saved configs.
[20:11] <karora> ... which is also where it saves them :-)
[20:12] <ibeardslee> oh that'll be handy!
[20:17] <ibeardslee> hmm maybe I need a saved on first .. that folder doesn't exist
[20:17] <ibeardslee> s/on/one/
[20:24] <ibeardslee> karora: do you have sample XML file somewhere?
[20:30] <karora> Well, just do all of the settings and save one.
[20:31] <karora> It should create the folder the first time you save one.
[20:33] <ibeardslee> it doen't seem to save one unless it finds a valid connection
[21:27] <hads> I have a Nexus One too, works well. Running 2.3 since a few days back.
[21:33] <ajmitch> hads: still getting in some of that pc engines stock this week?
[21:36] <hads> ajmitch: It has shipped out from Switzerland on Monday, it might not make it through customs until next week though - hard to say.
[21:36] <ajmitch> ok
[21:36] <hads> I'll ping you when it's clearing.
[21:36] <ajmitch> I should probably order the dsl modem today anyway
[22:41] <ojwb> morning
[22:47] <hads> Morning
[22:48] <ojwb> hmm, both the houses next to us are going on the market
[22:48]  * ojwb wonders what he did
[22:56] <ajmitch> ojwb: it was probably the late-night parties
[22:57] <ojwb> but i was very tolerant of those