[00:05] ali1234: i like the leds flashing too quickly to be of any use at all [00:05] the leds are part of the audio filter circuit [00:05] i could have just used diodes but leds look nicer [00:05] i like dutchie's constructive criticism [00:06] I learned that on the trumpet a few years ago [00:06] that took some doing [00:06] :D [00:06] brave man [00:06] and since when did LEDs have to have a purpose? Goodness sake man, where's your sense of geek? [00:07] so true [00:07] i did say i liked them [00:07] it was not all sarcasm [00:07] Oh, it looked like massive sarcasm [00:07] 0o [00:07] as did it to me [00:08] http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-239-AS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1863 [00:08] i might get this to put in a 3500+ AMD Athlon64 and 1GB RAM based nforce4 shuttle i was given on sunday [00:08] shame it only has 1GB RAM, but it could still be a good Ubuntu box [00:10] when I'm back from my trip I intend to do some stuff hooking up http://mgdm.net/weblog/libsureelec-a-driver-for-sure-electronics-lcd-displays to some tiny Linux hardware [00:10] it might also involve http://www.earf.co.uk/finningleysdr.htm for some *extreme* nerding [00:10] i got really close to buying a nixie clock [00:11] I thought about that and got the LCDs instead - they're USB so easier to wire up to anything [00:11] that screenshot is it hooked up to my laptop and running the test program from the driver [00:12] i had an LCD a long time ago [00:12] by matrix orbital, if they still exist [00:12] these things use a similar command set, apparently [00:12] hilariously they had the power lines on the serial cable wired wrongly to start [00:12] :D [00:13] so when i first plugged it in, it caught fire and burned through the cable [00:13] next I want an LED scrolly banner type thing [00:13] D: [00:13] i messaged them, they apologised and sent a free replacement XD [00:13] I'm going to get one and hook it up to the alerting system at work [00:13] so every now and again it can scroll "THE SYSTEM IS DOWN" and play the music in the background [00:13] :D [00:15] hope to see what you get up to with the LCD! [00:15] anywho for now i must retire to bed [00:15] g'night [00:15] night [00:15] mgdm: how's you? [00:16] andylockran: not bad ta, off to Canada tomorrow \o/ [00:16] * andylockran needs to stop pressing cmd+q instead of cmd+tab [00:16] oooh - how come you're off there? [00:16] heh [00:16] speaking at confoo.ca [00:19] g'night folks [00:20] night dude. [00:20] Have fun! [00:22] right [00:22] night time for real now [00:51] hmm ok i do not understand this.... same render format, but this time pitivi decided to ruin the audio somehow (as if it wasn't bad enough to start with) [00:52] oh... it decided to use aac instead of alac [01:12] argh double borders [01:12] forgot to change output aspect :( [02:18] moar cheezy synth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Nf42Usja4 [02:44] bug 721447 [02:44] Launchpad bug 721447 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unable to scroll in Applications/Files and Folders Place using mouse wheel" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721447 [05:14] exit [06:58] my IRC is broken [07:02] naw, they're just all sleeping [07:04] Myrtti: no conversation? [07:04] I thought my IRC was broken the other day, turns out I was disconnected :| [07:38] morning all [07:39] morning [07:51] morning all [07:51] AlanBell: how was RMS? [07:52] also, does anyone know the package name which implements the gnome monitor dialog? [07:52] (I am not on an ubuntu machine right now but need to file a bug) [07:52] morning [07:53] lo [07:54] hey popey how are ya today [07:54] tickety boo [07:55] popey: gnome-control-center [07:56] ta [07:56] popey: the one where resolution is set etc right? [07:57] yes [07:58] trying to encourage someone on the ubuntu-users list to file a bug [07:58] they all whinge and moan about ubuntu but do _nothing_ to try to fix stuff [07:58] yup, right package :) [08:01] looking at "motion" might be a good idea to try it out sometime [08:01] popey: RMS was great [08:02] * popey says "Beefy Miracle" [08:03] http://spevack.livejournal.com/111974.html [08:04] popey: The Relish down the road doesn't do sausages. [08:05] It's Pancacke day today :-) [08:07] I made some at midnight and put them in the fridge for the kids this morning :) [08:08] popey, in your e04e01 podcast, the discussion about open software not being as popular as proprietory software - I dont think anyone mentioned for example (web) server software / where open source leads the pack. also android on mobiles. and developer tools of course [08:09] popey: why would they go for beefy miracle, when they have codpiece on the list! [08:09] popey: plus things like "ffmpeg" which was mentioned in your news. this library is used in many software products for example. and open source leads with htpc stuff also [08:10] popey, this isnt directed to you personally, just at the episode . and im too lazy to email the show :) [08:12] (and apps like thunderbird, filezilla, vlc, notepad++, 7-zip, blender). all very popular .. ok im finished now. but lots of this stuff wasnt mentioned :) [08:12] 5heheh [08:13] exobuzz: I'll add your feedback to the show notes, it's much appreciated [08:16] arguably ffmpeg _is_ reimplementing the work others have done [08:17] yeh at least partially [08:17] another example where open source leads is things like wordpress i guess. [08:18] web apps, cms's yeah, good point [08:19] all of those apps except blender, are dupes of proprietary apps [08:19] 7-zip isnt.. [08:19] winzip [08:19] because winzip is a dupe itself [08:19] winzip took free open code [08:19] pkzip [08:19] of pkzip [08:19] which is of pkarc [08:19] which is of arc [08:19] i know my compression history :) [08:20] : [08:20] :) [08:20] The kernel does xz now (for ramdisk, squashfs, etc.) [08:21] http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Crunchers [08:21] old amiga packers [08:24] with the "dupes of proprietory" argument - I guess you can trace almost every piece of software to some ancestor or another, whether free or proprietory - so I think it's still relevant relating to what is popular now, even if you can trace the history back to something non-free [08:32] good mornin [08:33] Morning [08:36] speaking of compression, btrfs recently got lzo compression as well as gzip that it had before - which is nice, since lzo is a lot faster [08:38] hi all. i just done an update, can anyone tell me what avali ipv4ll is and what it does?? [08:38] Avahi [08:38] yeah thats the one [08:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_%28software%29 [08:39] it gives your machine an IP (from the169.254.0.0/16 range) if no DHCP server (or other means of getting an IP) is available [08:39] second paragraph [08:39] * exobuzz had a small fight with avahi/ipv6 and distcc earlier [08:39] distcc does avahi now? [08:40] had to switch off avahi ipv6 support and it worked then [08:40] yeh [08:40] get proper working ipv6 then :P [08:40] its not that - its a bug in the software [08:41] http://code.google.com/p/distcc/issues/detail?id=42 [08:41] it's nice how the id is 42 8-) [08:41] heh [08:41] is it possible to change an ip addy on ubuntu machines? [08:41] its fixed in their repository. so i could build a new one [08:42] jonsaint: if you really want to, sure.. but most of the time you want the automatic (DHCP) address your router gives you [08:42] jonsaint: System -> Preferences -> Network connections [08:43] MartijnVdS, ah ok. wasnt too sure how haed it would be thats all. i know on those microsoft rubbish machines its a long winded process! [08:45] what happens wven ipv4 is full, does everyone go over to v6? [08:45] nah, not immediately [08:46] First we go dual-stack [08:46] ISPs use NAT [08:46] http://test-ipv6.com/ :) [08:47] 10/10 for v4, 0/10 for v6 lol [08:47] * MartijnVdS gets 10/10 on both :) [08:48] my isp doesnt do ipv6 yet - but i guess i could tunnel it [08:48] My ISP does.. natively [08:48] so will it be an automatic thing then when v6 is avaliable to someone like me then? [08:49] it should be.. you might have to install a new modem/router or upgrade firmware on the current one [08:49] cant see virgin doing that! [08:49] jonsaint: eventually, they'll have to (when new web sites can't get IPv4 addresses anymore, they'll only be available over IPv6) [08:50] easy enough. NAT then, and sell a new box to anyone who complains :) [08:50] shauno: until competitors market it as a feature "We have IPv6 support: ALL of the internet" [08:51] yeah, they are quite good at ripping people off. they sent me a letter last week saying i got a free speed upgrade! oh and the small print says plus a £30 connection fee! how can they charge a conection fee if im already connected?? [08:51] jonsaint: the other end had to be connected as well! [08:51] jonsaint, http://www.unitethecows.com/content/359-virgin-media-uk-begins-throttling-p2p-traffic.html :) [08:52] some more news for you [08:52] ooo [08:52] that was months ago wasn't it? [08:53] oh, already done [08:53] seems fair enough :) [08:54] had some fun fallout on WoW because V were incorrectly identifying the traffic as p2p [08:54] turns out gamers don't like being throttled ;) [08:54] maybe they shouldn't be torrenting their games then :) [08:54] heh [08:55] the vendor's own in-game updater is torrent-based [08:55] i just want decent upstream. [08:55] i would sacrifice more of my downstream for faster uploading [08:55] i have 2Mb/s upstream [08:56] got upgraded recently [08:56] im about the same [08:56] id rather 10/10 than 20/2.2 [08:57] chat later folks. need to get stuff done. [08:57] I'd agree with that .. pulling a large folder of pdf's from home atm :( [08:57] o/ [08:57] I'd rather 50/50 :) [08:57] but I dont want to pay for that :) [08:57] hello [08:57] popey, well. if your going in that direction, maybe 100/100? :) [08:57] fujll duplex of course [08:58] last month there was ~170gb leeched from my public ftp at home [08:59] probably my upstream doesnt feel fast enough because its saturated all the time heh [08:59] :) [09:09] my upstream is saturated all the time, but i think its because ubuntu one is throwing a wobbler [09:22] Morning [09:23] o/ [09:23] morning [09:24] morning [09:25] Good Morning Britain :D [09:25] how does one get identd working in ubuntu maverick? [09:26] just tick a box in mIRC but ubuntu not soo easy lol [09:26] can't win..people complain about spam but they don't want a single ham ever to get misclassified :( [09:27] some1's using ipv6 on here, hello @aaronr :) [09:31] hi caulkz :) [09:33] aaronr: u in uk by chance? [09:33] i am [09:33] isp? [09:33] i'm with virgin media, though they don't provide ipv6 natively. [09:34] i'm using a aiccu tunnel from sixxs [09:34] ok [09:34] exspensive? [09:35] the tunnel's free [09:35] and there's docs on the ubuntu wiki on how to set it up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6#Get connected with SixXS [09:35] i pretty much just followed that [09:35] now my entire home network has ipv6 within the /48 subnet sixxs gave me [09:35] nice [09:36] v6 traffic from all the other hosts just gets routed through the pc running the tunnel rather than my ipv4 router [09:36] i heard some tunnels r paid for :/ [09:37] yeah well the people running them have to cover all the bandwidth you decide to use over ipv6, so it seems that only large organisations with tons of spare bandwidth can really consider it [09:37] (consider doing free tunnels, i mean) [09:37] found out my router supports he.net tunnels. that made life easy :) [09:37] wow that's quite nice. factory firmware, or something like dd-wrt? [09:37] factory [09:38] downside is it's an apple router, so impossible to manage in any sensible way. but it worked === cbx33 is now known as Guest70482 === cbx333 is now known as cbx33 [09:39] does my dgn2200 support ipv6? [09:40] Doubtful [09:41] mornin all [09:41] Aloha [09:42] caulkz: I did take a look - nothing in the spec pages for IPv6 on that model and there are no firmware releases since the initial release [09:42] i know some netgear routers have a hidden page to enable ipv6 lool [09:44] I gather than most things that attempt to support ip6 do so in such a buggy fashion that you'll turn it off again almost immediately [09:44] morning all [09:44] yep true [09:45] dgn2200 is a recent addition to their range and supposed to replace the dg834g as its EOL! [09:46] not a bad router tbh [09:49] caulkz: http://wiki.aaisp.org.uk/index.php/Comtrend [09:49] ^ A&A are working to get *non-buggy* IPv6-capable ADSL2+ modems going. [09:50] just hoping that the dgn2200 support ipv6 with a future fw update... [09:54] Good morning peeps :) [09:55] mornin bigcalm [09:56] caulkz: you might be waiting a while :) [09:56] I'd stop asking here and go pester Netgear, otherwise they may never think about it. [09:58] ok :) [10:04] Network oddness: Nexus One is connected at 72Mbps while my dell laptop (with N) is connected at 54Mbps [10:04] Laptop is running ubuntu of course [10:05] Maybe a better signal in the spot where the N1 is sitting [10:05] DJones: they are sat next to each other and 2 feet from the router :) [10:05] 54mbps means you are not using N wireless iirc [10:06] 802.11N is supported in linux, right? [10:06] prolly a driver thing, i could never get my n wifi adapter to work on ubuntu [10:06] gord: indeed, it's using g [10:06] Ah [10:06] Ho hum [10:07] Weeeeeeeeeeee [10:07] Just found the Pi sound track on Spotify [10:07] anyone here using zen as a isp? [10:07] So I no longer care about network problems [10:07] * bigcalm moshes [10:07] i'm using zen as a state of mind [10:08] hi all, does anyone have any good ideas about teaching web development on an Ubuntu LTSP set up? I'm trying to work out if there's any way of users having isolated web servers which can have things like xdebug running. [10:08] rickogden: sudoex? [10:08] bigcalm: deftones make me code faster, I swear to god [10:10] bigcalm: what's that? [10:11] Oh, no, ignore me :) [10:11] Sorry :) [10:12] If you want indervidual web servers, I would suggest VMs [10:13] bigcalm: yeah, I don't have enough processing power for individual VMs [10:13] I was wondering if there was something that could be done on the thin client [10:13] It'd stop being thin, then, surel? [10:13] y [10:13] BigRedS: yeah, it would start becoming a fat client (which I'm already looking into anyway) [10:14] the "thin clients" are core2quads with 4gb of ram... so they can cope with being less "thin" :) [10:15] suexec might do what you're after, though. Each person's as isolated as they would be doing any other sort of dev [10:15] but what I do want to avoid is having Ubuntu directly on the Machines as it's an administrative nightmare [10:15] what're you having them develop in? [10:15] rickogden: have you looked at puppet? [10:15] BigRedS: yeah, it wouldn't stop people from connecting to each other's servers though would it? [10:15] I *think* there's a mod_php thingy that does suexed without you having to do fcgi, but I'm not sure [10:16] screen-x: I haven't [10:16] rickogden: er, you could conceivably do that with apache access restrictions [10:16] BigRedS: Netbeans with PHP and xdebug [10:16] why do you want to stop them viewing each others' sites? [10:16] it's more of the xdebug issue [10:16] bigcalm, the film pi? [10:16] cbx33: yes [10:17] http://open.spotify.com/album/5C0sEGbStaD8ZWQzBrNxJ3 [10:17] i love that film [10:17] fcgi is something I've been looking into, and maybe fcgi with userdir is the best way [10:18] You could http auth everyone's sites, there's a module for pam-based http auth [10:18] and give each of them a suexeced vhost [10:18] BigRedS: yeah true, doesn't prevent xdebug though still [10:19] if I use suexec, will that work on file permissions of 700? [10:20] yeah [10:20] you can have nobody else able to read the files [10:20] suexec will bork if any other user can write to them [10:20] oh excellent, I thought it might need to be group readable [10:20] That's what I meant to suggest before, misspelling :( [10:24] Ah, good morning, all! :D [10:27] danfish: going to this? http://www.smarthealthcarelive.com/ [10:27] AlanBell: did you see I sorted my wordpress image resizing query? [10:28] nice one bigcalm [10:28] http://www.myrant.net/2011/03/07/mimicking-wordpress-coms-image-resize-uris/ [10:33] bigcalm: get yourself on planet.ubuntu-uk.org [10:33] AlanBell: I don't rant exclusively about computer things [10:34] neither does anyone else [10:34] Heh [10:34] AlanBell: just the person! [10:34] you can always use a per-category feed if you don't want your russian doll collection on Planet ;) [10:35] Aha, cool [10:37] * bigcalm pokes Launchpad login for being slow and then returning a 500 error :) [10:38] Silly computers [10:39] heretic [10:39] Starting to think that life is far too short while waiting for this to work [10:41] Hi Daviey :) Not seen you active for a while [10:42] bigcalm, Oh i've been around [10:42] watching you. [10:42] * czajkowski tickles Daviey [10:42] :) [10:42] Lurker [10:42] bigcalm, no, just watching you - that is called stalking :) [10:42] Haha [10:43] * Daviey giggles like a little girl. [10:44] pancakes plz [10:45] shrove buns here [10:45] with whipped cream [10:51] AlanBell: added [11:03] With CM7RC2 comes 2.3.3. Happy lad I be [11:07] morning everyone. [11:08] bigcalm: If only SGS support came without the bugs :0 [11:08] * :) [11:09] Tommeh: I'm very happy with my N1 :) [11:11] Yeah, almost wish I didn't have a branded phone now [11:11] It's not bad though :) [11:11] And at least samsung are working on a 2.3 release [11:11] An expensive toy, but still glad I got it [11:14] weird, xorg just spontaniously reset/restarted on me.:( [11:16] i wonder if CM7 will appear for hero [11:16] i eagerly await the end of my contract [11:16] brobostigon: just xorg? [11:16] hamitron: looked lke it, [11:16] :/ [11:16] hamitron: it dumped me back to cli, and started back with gdm. [11:17] just like pressing ctrl+alt+backspace? :/ [11:17] bigcalm: N1? [11:17] yes- [11:17] popey: Nexus One [11:17] ah yes, you said that earlier [11:17] :) [11:17] sorry, didnt know what phone you had [11:17] happy days :) [11:17] Very [11:18] * hamitron is waiting for Nexus One to drop in price [11:18] * brobostigon also. [11:18] £30-50 maybe [11:18] I know that Google aren't selling them any more. Don't know if HTC are even producing it still [11:19] hamitron: £100 mark, and i might be able to afford it, with some saving. [11:19] I'll be looking at 2nd hand [11:19] ebay? [11:19] probably [11:19] hamitron: that is, unlocked and sim free. [11:19] yes [11:19] when it is old and not many want one [11:19] ;) [11:19] yes, :) [11:20] That'll be the only way you get it [11:20] if it doesn't drop, will just get one of them creative android media players [11:20] £160 brand new with gps [11:21] i think i will be having my htc dream for a while to come. [11:21] woo finally getting around to booking uds tickets, only gonna go for a few days [11:22] * brobostigon also wants a CM7 buildfor his htc dream, [11:23] but i dont have enough hdd space, to do a build. [11:23] o.O [11:23] CM7? [11:23] CyanogenMod 7 [11:23] never heard of it ;/ [11:24] * BigRedS wants any CM for his Galaxy [11:24] http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ [11:24] just as I thought 6.1 might not be too unstable, everything switches to 7 === SWAT__ is now known as SWAT [11:25] 6.1.1 is stable, CM7 is still quite buggy [11:25] upgrades so often :/ [11:25] morning all [11:25] This is a good thing :) [11:25] ah, so 6.1 is still getting some attention? [11:25] BigRedS: no [11:25] * hamitron hates upgrades [11:26] Oh [11:26] As far as I can tell, 6.1.1 is the last release [11:26] * davmor2 prods czajkowski for an appraisal of RMS last night [11:26] just added you blog bigcalm to the planetplanet [11:26] X3N: thank you :) [11:26] ping JamesTait - your server seems to be refusing connection for the face you supplied [11:27] X3N: when will it update next? [11:28] it's generated every hour [11:28] on the hour [11:28] * bigcalm makes a note [11:29] Humm, wonder if I should have had breakfast for a change. Having been up and coding since 7.30am is more than my body is used to [11:36] anyone know of a twitter client that allows you to filter your own timeline? i want to disable all RT messages [11:36] I think that kazade is currently writing one. Suggest it to him as a feature request [11:37] bigcalm: i already did :P [11:37] Ah [11:37] :) [11:37] I'm working on it! :) [11:37] most of the people i follow tend to RT people that i already follow, hence message spam [11:37] Oh [11:38] davmor2: meh [11:38] Depending upon how the retweet is performed, tweet deck (on my phone) doesn't show retweeted tweets if you follow the original person [11:38] that's the idea..even better :) [11:38] czajkowski: that good hey [11:39] czajkowski: did he anounciate his vowels correctly? [11:39] So I guess "tweet deck" as an answer to your question :) [11:39] davmor2: enunciate :P [11:39] bigcalm: thanks, does it need adobe air? [11:40] mungojerry: not on Android, where I use it :) [11:40] mungojerry: I'm dyslexic and spellcheck gave me nothing close so :P [11:41] * kazade thinks his client already filters retweets of people he follows... [11:41] kazade: got a name for it ? [11:42] I want pancakes! [11:43] I pinched a name from popey :) [11:43] bigcalm: thats useful...goes to android market [11:43] i have a feeling gwibber also does that. [11:43] "Tessuto" [11:43] kazade: apple lover is japanese? [11:43] had pancakes at midnight (any excuse works), but she made them american-style :( [11:43] s/is/in [11:44] mungojerry, it's Italian [11:44] Gary: http://twitpic.com/47f4gb [11:45] kazade: tissue? woven? [11:46] it's supposed to mean "web" or "woven" ... but I notice that Google translate is saying "tissue" [11:46] * bigcalm won't get pancakes until tomorrow, ho hum [11:46]