[00:05] <dutchie> ali1234: i like the leds flashing too quickly to be of any use at all
[00:05] <ali1234> the leds are part of the audio filter circuit
[00:05] <ali1234> i could have just used diodes but leds look nicer
[00:05] <daftykins> i like dutchie's constructive criticism
[00:06] <mgdm> I learned that on the trumpet a few years ago
[00:06] <mgdm> that took some doing
[00:06] <daftykins> :D
[00:06] <daftykins> brave man
[00:06] <mgdm> and since when did LEDs have to have a purpose? Goodness sake man, where's your sense of geek?
[00:07] <daftykins> so true
[00:07] <dutchie> i did say i liked them
[00:07] <dutchie> it was not all sarcasm
[00:07] <mgdm> Oh, it looked like massive sarcasm
[00:07] <daftykins> 0o
[00:07] <daftykins> as did it to me
[00:08] <daftykins> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-239-AS&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1863
[00:08] <daftykins> i might get this to put in a 3500+ AMD Athlon64 and 1GB RAM based nforce4 shuttle i was given on sunday
[00:08] <daftykins> shame it only has 1GB RAM, but it could still be a good Ubuntu box
[00:10] <mgdm> when I'm back from my trip I intend to do some stuff hooking up http://mgdm.net/weblog/libsureelec-a-driver-for-sure-electronics-lcd-displays to some tiny Linux hardware
[00:10] <mgdm> it might also involve http://www.earf.co.uk/finningleysdr.htm for some *extreme* nerding
[00:10] <daftykins> i got really close to buying a nixie clock
[00:11] <mgdm> I thought about that and got the LCDs instead - they're USB so easier to wire up to anything
[00:11] <mgdm> that screenshot is it hooked up to my laptop and running the test program from the driver
[00:12] <daftykins> i had an LCD a long time ago
[00:12] <daftykins> by matrix orbital, if they still exist
[00:12] <mgdm> these things use a similar command set, apparently
[00:12] <daftykins> hilariously they had the power lines on the serial cable wired wrongly to start
[00:12] <mgdm> :D
[00:13] <daftykins> so when i first plugged it in, it caught fire and burned through the cable
[00:13] <mgdm> next I want an LED scrolly banner type thing
[00:13] <mgdm> D:
[00:13] <daftykins> i messaged them, they apologised and sent a free replacement XD
[00:13] <mgdm> I'm going to get one and hook it up to the alerting system at work
[00:13] <mgdm> so every now and again it can scroll "THE SYSTEM IS DOWN" and play the music in the background
[00:13] <daftykins> :D
[00:15] <daftykins> hope to see what you get up to with the LCD!
[00:15] <daftykins> anywho for now i must retire to bed
[00:15] <mgdm> g'night
[00:15] <andylockran> night
[00:15] <andylockran> mgdm: how's you?
[00:16] <mgdm> andylockran: not bad ta, off to Canada tomorrow \o/
[00:16]  * andylockran needs to stop pressing cmd+q instead of cmd+tab
[00:16] <andylockran> oooh - how come you're off there?
[00:16] <mgdm> heh
[00:16] <mgdm> speaking at confoo.ca
[00:19] <mgdm> g'night folks
[00:20] <andylockran> night dude.
[00:20] <andylockran> Have fun!
[00:22] <cbx33> right
[00:22] <cbx33> night time for real now
[00:51] <ali1234> hmm ok i do not understand this.... same render format, but this time pitivi decided to ruin the audio somehow (as if it wasn't bad enough to start with)
[00:52] <ali1234> oh... it decided to use aac instead of alac
[01:12] <ali1234> argh double borders
[01:12] <ali1234> forgot to change output aspect :(
[02:18] <ali1234> moar cheezy synth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Nf42Usja4
[02:44] <ali1234> bug 721447
[05:14] <knightdroid> exit
[06:58] <Myrtti> my IRC is broken
[07:02] <shauno> naw, they're just all sleeping
[07:04] <nigelb> Myrtti: no conversation?
[07:04] <nigelb> I thought my IRC was broken the other day, turns out I was disconnected :|
[07:38] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[07:51] <popey> morning all
[07:51] <popey> AlanBell: how was RMS?
[07:52] <popey> also, does anyone know the package name which implements the gnome monitor dialog?
[07:52] <popey> (I am not on an ubuntu machine right now but need to file a bug)
[07:52] <knightpad> morning
[07:53] <popey> lo
[07:54] <knightpad> hey popey   how are ya today
[07:54] <popey> tickety boo
[07:55] <nigelb> popey: gnome-control-center
[07:56] <popey> ta
[07:56] <nigelb> popey: the one where resolution is set etc right?
[07:57] <popey> yes
[07:58] <popey> trying to encourage someone on the ubuntu-users list to file a bug
[07:58] <popey> they all whinge and moan about ubuntu but do _nothing_ to try to fix stuff
[07:58] <nigelb> yup, right package :)
[08:01] <knightpad> looking at "motion"  might be a good idea to try it out sometime
[08:01] <AlanBell> popey: RMS was great
[08:02]  * popey says "Beefy Miracle"
[08:03] <popey> http://spevack.livejournal.com/111974.html
[08:04] <jpds> popey: The Relish down the road doesn't do sausages.
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's Pancacke day today :-)
[08:07] <popey> I made some at midnight and put them in the fridge for the kids this morning :)
[08:08] <exobuzz> popey, in your e04e01 podcast, the discussion about open software not being as popular as proprietory software - I dont think anyone mentioned for example (web) server software / where open source leads the pack. also android on mobiles. and developer tools of course
[08:09] <AlanBell> popey: why would they go for beefy miracle, when they have codpiece on the list!
[08:09] <exobuzz> popey: plus things like "ffmpeg" which was mentioned in your news. this library is used in many software products for example. and open source leads with htpc stuff also
[08:10] <exobuzz> popey, this isnt directed to you personally, just at the episode . and im too lazy to email the show :)
[08:12] <exobuzz> (and apps like thunderbird, filezilla, vlc, notepad++, 7-zip,  blender). all very popular .. ok im finished now. but lots of this stuff wasnt mentioned :)
[08:12] <popey> 5heheh
[08:13] <popey> exobuzz: I'll add your feedback to the show notes, it's much appreciated
[08:16] <popey> arguably ffmpeg _is_ reimplementing the work others have done
[08:17] <exobuzz> yeh at least partially
[08:17] <exobuzz> another example where open source leads is things like wordpress i guess.
[08:18] <popey> web apps, cms's yeah, good point
[08:19] <popey> all of those apps except blender, are dupes of proprietary apps
[08:19] <exobuzz> 7-zip isnt..
[08:19] <popey> winzip
[08:19] <exobuzz> because winzip is a dupe itself
[08:19] <exobuzz> winzip took free open code
[08:19] <AlanBell> pkzip
[08:19] <popey> of pkzip
[08:19] <popey> which is of pkarc
[08:19] <popey> which is of arc
[08:19] <popey> i know my compression history :)
[08:20] <exobuzz> :
[08:20] <exobuzz> :)
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> The kernel does xz now (for ramdisk, squashfs, etc.)
[08:21] <exobuzz> http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/Crunchers
[08:21] <exobuzz> old amiga packers
[08:24] <exobuzz> with the "dupes of proprietory" argument - I guess you can trace almost every piece of software to some ancestor or another, whether free or proprietory - so I think it's still relevant relating to what is popular now, even if you can trace the history back to something non-free
[08:32] <hoover> good mornin
[08:33] <DJones> Morning
[08:36] <exobuzz> speaking of compression, btrfs recently got lzo compression as well as gzip that it had before - which is nice, since lzo is a lot faster
[08:38] <jonsaint> hi all. i just done an update, can anyone tell me what avali ipv4ll is and what it does??
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> Avahi
[08:38] <jonsaint> yeah thats the one
[08:38] <exobuzz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_%28software%29
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> it gives your machine an IP (from the169.254.0.0/16 range) if no DHCP server (or other means of getting an IP) is available
[08:39] <exobuzz> second paragraph
[08:39]  * exobuzz had a small fight with avahi/ipv6 and distcc earlier
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> distcc does avahi now?
[08:40] <exobuzz> had to switch off avahi ipv6 support and it worked then
[08:40] <exobuzz> yeh
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> get proper working ipv6 then :P
[08:40] <exobuzz> its not that - its a bug in the software
[08:41] <exobuzz> http://code.google.com/p/distcc/issues/detail?id=42
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> it's nice how the id is 42 8-)
[08:41] <exobuzz> heh
[08:41] <jonsaint> is it possible to change an ip addy on ubuntu machines?
[08:41] <exobuzz> its fixed in their repository. so i could build a new one
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: if you really want to, sure.. but most of the time you want the automatic (DHCP) address your router gives you
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: System -> Preferences -> Network connections
[08:43] <jonsaint> MartijnVdS, ah ok. wasnt too sure how haed it would be thats all. i know on those microsoft rubbish machines its a long winded process!
[08:45] <jonsaint> what happens wven ipv4 is full, does everyone go over to v6?
[08:45] <popey> nah, not immediately
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> First we go dual-stack
[08:46] <popey> ISPs use NAT
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> http://test-ipv6.com/ :)
[08:47] <jonsaint> 10/10 for v4, 0/10 for v6 lol
[08:47]  * MartijnVdS gets 10/10 on both :)
[08:48] <exobuzz> my isp doesnt do ipv6 yet - but i guess i could tunnel it
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> My ISP does.. natively
[08:48] <jonsaint> so will it be an automatic thing then when v6 is avaliable to someone like me then?
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> it should be.. you might have to install a new modem/router or upgrade firmware on the current one
[08:49] <jonsaint> cant see virgin doing that!
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: eventually, they'll have to (when new web sites can't get IPv4 addresses anymore, they'll only be available over IPv6)
[08:50] <shauno> easy enough.  NAT then, and sell a new box to anyone who complains :)
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> shauno: until competitors market it as a feature "We have IPv6 support: ALL of the internet"
[08:51] <jonsaint> yeah, they are quite good at ripping people off. they sent me a letter last week saying i got a free speed upgrade! oh and the small print says plus a £30 connection fee! how can they charge a conection fee if im already connected??
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: the other end had to be connected as well!
[08:51] <exobuzz> jonsaint, http://www.unitethecows.com/content/359-virgin-media-uk-begins-throttling-p2p-traffic.html :)
[08:52] <exobuzz> some more news for you
[08:52] <popey> ooo
[08:52] <shauno> that was months ago wasn't it?
[08:53] <popey> oh, already done
[08:53] <popey> seems fair enough :)
[08:54] <shauno> had some fun fallout on WoW because V were incorrectly identifying the traffic as p2p
[08:54] <shauno> turns out gamers don't like being throttled ;)
[08:54] <popey> maybe they shouldn't be torrenting their games then :)
[08:54] <exobuzz> heh
[08:55] <shauno> the vendor's own in-game updater is torrent-based
[08:55] <exobuzz> i just want decent upstream.
[08:55] <exobuzz> i would sacrifice more of my downstream for faster uploading
[08:55] <popey> i have 2Mb/s upstream
[08:56] <popey> got upgraded recently
[08:56] <exobuzz> im about the same
[08:56] <exobuzz> id rather 10/10 than 20/2.2
[08:57] <jonsaint> chat later folks. need to get stuff done.
[08:57] <shauno> I'd agree with that .. pulling a large folder of pdf's from home atm :(
[08:57] <popey> o/
[08:57] <popey> I'd rather 50/50 :)
[08:57] <popey> but I dont want to pay for that :)
[08:57] <MooDoo> hello
[08:57] <exobuzz> popey, well. if your going in that direction, maybe 100/100? :)
[08:57] <exobuzz> fujll duplex of course
[08:58] <exobuzz> last month there was ~170gb leeched from my public ftp at home
[08:59] <exobuzz> probably my upstream doesnt feel fast enough because its saturated all the time heh
[08:59] <popey> :)
[09:09] <gord> my upstream is saturated all the time, but i think its because ubuntu one is throwing a wobbler
[09:22] <daubers> Morning
[09:23] <kazade> o/
[09:23] <MooDoo> morning
[09:24] <mungojerry> morning
[09:25] <caulkz> Good Morning Britain :D
[09:25] <caulkz> how does one get identd working in ubuntu maverick?
[09:26] <caulkz> just tick a box in mIRC but ubuntu not soo easy lol
[09:26] <mungojerry> can't win..people complain about spam but they don't want a single ham ever to get misclassified :(
[09:27] <caulkz> some1's using ipv6 on here, hello @aaronr :)
[09:31] <aaronr> hi caulkz :)
[09:33] <caulkz> aaronr: u in uk by chance?
[09:33] <aaronr> i am
[09:33] <caulkz> isp?
[09:33] <aaronr> i'm with virgin media, though they don't provide ipv6 natively.
[09:34] <aaronr> i'm using a aiccu tunnel from sixxs
[09:34] <caulkz> ok
[09:34] <caulkz> exspensive?
[09:35] <aaronr> the tunnel's free
[09:35] <aaronr> and there's docs on the ubuntu wiki on how to set it up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6#Get connected with SixXS
[09:35] <aaronr> i pretty much just followed that
[09:35] <aaronr> now my entire home network has ipv6 within the /48 subnet sixxs gave me
[09:35] <caulkz> nice
[09:36] <aaronr> v6 traffic from all the other hosts just gets routed through the pc running the tunnel rather than my ipv4 router
[09:36] <caulkz> i heard some tunnels r paid for :/
[09:37] <aaronr> yeah well the people running them have to cover all the bandwidth you decide to use over ipv6, so it seems that only large organisations with tons of spare bandwidth can really consider it
[09:37] <aaronr> (consider doing free tunnels, i mean)
[09:37] <shauno> found out my router supports he.net tunnels.  that made life easy :)
[09:37] <aaronr> wow that's quite nice. factory firmware, or something like dd-wrt?
[09:37] <shauno> factory
[09:38] <shauno> downside is it's an apple router, so impossible to manage in any sensible way.  but it worked
[09:39] <caulkz> does my dgn2200 support ipv6?
[09:40] <Tommeh> Doubtful
[09:41] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:41] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:42] <Tommeh> caulkz: I did take a look - nothing in the spec pages for IPv6 on that model and there are no firmware releases since the initial release
[09:42] <caulkz> i know some netgear routers have a hidden page to enable ipv6 lool
[09:44] <BigRedS> I gather than most things that attempt to support ip6 do so in such a buggy fashion that you'll turn it off again almost immediately
[09:44] <rickogden> morning all
[09:44] <caulkz> yep true
[09:45] <caulkz> dgn2200 is a recent addition to their range and supposed to replace the dg834g as its EOL!
[09:46] <caulkz> not a bad router tbh
[09:49] <Tommeh> caulkz: http://wiki.aaisp.org.uk/index.php/Comtrend
[09:49] <Tommeh> ^ A&A are working to get *non-buggy* IPv6-capable ADSL2+ modems going.
[09:50] <caulkz> just hoping that the dgn2200 support ipv6 with a future fw update...
[09:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:55] <cbx33> mornin bigcalm
[09:56] <Tommeh> caulkz: you might be waiting a while :)
[09:56] <Tommeh> I'd stop asking here and go pester Netgear, otherwise they may never think about it.
[09:58] <caulkz> ok :)
[10:04] <bigcalm> Network oddness: Nexus One is connected at 72Mbps while my dell laptop (with N) is connected at 54Mbps
[10:04] <bigcalm> Laptop is running ubuntu of course
[10:05] <DJones> Maybe a better signal in the spot where the N1 is sitting
[10:05] <bigcalm> DJones: they are sat next to each other and 2 feet from the router :)
[10:05] <gord> 54mbps means you are not using N wireless iirc
[10:06] <bigcalm> 802.11N is supported in linux, right?
[10:06] <gord> prolly a driver thing, i could never get my n wifi adapter to work on ubuntu
[10:06] <bigcalm> gord: indeed, it's using g
[10:06] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:06] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[10:07] <bigcalm> Weeeeeeeeeeee
[10:07] <bigcalm> Just found the Pi sound track on Spotify
[10:07] <caulkz> anyone here using zen as a isp?
[10:07] <bigcalm> So I no longer care about network problems
[10:07]  * bigcalm moshes
[10:07] <Baikonur> i'm using zen as a state of mind
[10:08] <rickogden> hi all, does anyone have any good ideas about teaching web development on an Ubuntu LTSP set up? I'm trying to work out if there's any way of users having isolated web servers which can have things like xdebug running.
[10:08] <bigcalm> rickogden: sudoex?
[10:08] <soneill> bigcalm: deftones make me code faster, I swear to god
[10:10] <rickogden> bigcalm: what's that?
[10:11] <bigcalm> Oh, no, ignore me :)
[10:11] <bigcalm> Sorry :)
[10:12] <bigcalm> If you want indervidual web servers, I would suggest VMs
[10:13] <rickogden> bigcalm: yeah, I don't have enough processing power for individual VMs
[10:13] <rickogden> I was wondering if there was something that could be done on the thin client
[10:13] <BigRedS> It'd stop being thin, then, surel?
[10:13] <BigRedS> y
[10:13] <rickogden> BigRedS: yeah, it would start becoming a fat client (which I'm already looking into anyway)
[10:14] <rickogden> the "thin clients" are core2quads with 4gb of ram... so they can cope with being less "thin" :)
[10:15] <BigRedS> suexec might do what you're after, though. Each person's as isolated as they would be doing any other sort of dev
[10:15] <rickogden> but what I do want to avoid is having Ubuntu directly on the Machines as it's an administrative nightmare
[10:15] <BigRedS> what're you having them develop in?
[10:15] <screen-x> rickogden: have you looked at puppet?
[10:15] <rickogden> BigRedS: yeah, it wouldn't stop people from connecting to each other's servers though would it?
[10:15] <BigRedS> I *think* there's a mod_php thingy that does suexed without you having to do fcgi, but I'm not sure
[10:16] <rickogden> screen-x: I haven't
[10:16] <BigRedS> rickogden: er, you could conceivably do that with apache access restrictions
[10:16] <rickogden> BigRedS: Netbeans with PHP and xdebug
[10:16] <BigRedS> why do you want to stop them viewing each others' sites?
[10:16] <rickogden> it's more of the xdebug issue
[10:16] <cbx33> bigcalm, the film pi?
[10:16] <bigcalm> cbx33: yes
[10:17] <bigcalm> http://open.spotify.com/album/5C0sEGbStaD8ZWQzBrNxJ3
[10:17] <cbx33> i love that film
[10:17] <rickogden> fcgi is something I've been looking into, and maybe fcgi with userdir is the best way
[10:18] <BigRedS> You could http auth everyone's sites, there's a module for pam-based http auth
[10:18] <BigRedS> and give each of them a suexeced vhost
[10:18] <rickogden> BigRedS: yeah true, doesn't prevent xdebug though still
[10:19] <rickogden> if I use suexec, will that work on file permissions of 700?
[10:20] <BigRedS> yeah
[10:20] <BigRedS> you can have nobody else able to read the files
[10:20] <BigRedS> suexec will bork if any other user can write to them
[10:20] <rickogden> oh excellent, I thought it might need to be group readable
[10:20] <bigcalm> That's what I meant to suggest before, misspelling :(
[10:24] <JamesTait> Ah, good morning, all! :D
[10:27] <AlanBell> danfish: going to this? http://www.smarthealthcarelive.com/
[10:27] <bigcalm> AlanBell: did you see I sorted my wordpress image resizing query?
[10:28] <AlanBell> nice one bigcalm
[10:28] <bigcalm> http://www.myrant.net/2011/03/07/mimicking-wordpress-coms-image-resize-uris/
[10:33] <AlanBell> bigcalm: get yourself on planet.ubuntu-uk.org
[10:33] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I don't rant exclusively about computer things
[10:34] <AlanBell> neither does anyone else
[10:34] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:34] <czajkowski> AlanBell: just the person!
[10:34] <shauno> you can always use a per-category feed if you don't want your russian doll collection on Planet ;)
[10:35] <bigcalm> Aha, cool
[10:37]  * bigcalm pokes Launchpad login for being slow and then returning a 500 error :)
[10:38] <bigcalm> Silly computers
[10:39] <Daviey> heretic
[10:39] <bigcalm> Starting to think that life is far too short while waiting for this to work
[10:41] <bigcalm> Hi Daviey :) Not seen you active for a while
[10:42] <Daviey> bigcalm, Oh i've been around
[10:42] <Daviey> watching you.
[10:42]  * czajkowski tickles Daviey 
[10:42] <Daviey> :)
[10:42] <bigcalm> Lurker
[10:42] <Daviey> bigcalm, no, just watching you - that is called stalking :)
[10:42] <bigcalm> Haha
[10:43]  * Daviey giggles like a little girl.
[10:44] <Laney> pancakes plz
[10:45] <Myrtti> shrove buns here
[10:45] <Myrtti> with whipped cream
[10:51] <bigcalm> AlanBell: added
[11:03] <bigcalm> With CM7RC2 comes 2.3.3. Happy lad I be
[11:07] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[11:08] <Tommeh> bigcalm: If only SGS support came without the bugs :0
[11:08] <Tommeh> * :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Tommeh: I'm very happy with my N1 :)
[11:11] <Tommeh> Yeah, almost wish I didn't have a branded phone now
[11:11] <Tommeh> It's not bad though :)
[11:11] <Tommeh> And at least samsung are working on a 2.3 release
[11:11] <bigcalm> An expensive toy, but still glad I got it
[11:14] <brobostigon> weird, xorg just spontaniously reset/restarted on me.:(
[11:16] <directhex> i wonder if CM7 will appear for hero
[11:16] <directhex> i eagerly await the end of my contract
[11:16] <hamitron> brobostigon: just xorg?
[11:16] <brobostigon> hamitron: looked lke it,
[11:16] <hamitron> :/
[11:16] <brobostigon> hamitron: it dumped me back to cli, and started back with gdm.
[11:17] <hamitron> just like pressing ctrl+alt+backspace? :/
[11:17] <popey> bigcalm: N1?
[11:17] <brobostigon> yes-
[11:17] <bigcalm> popey: Nexus One
[11:17] <popey> ah yes, you said that earlier
[11:17] <bigcalm> :)
[11:17] <popey> sorry, didnt know what phone you had
[11:17] <popey> happy days :)
[11:17] <bigcalm> Very
[11:18]  * hamitron is waiting for Nexus One to drop in price
[11:18]  * brobostigon also.
[11:18] <hamitron> £30-50 maybe
[11:18] <bigcalm> I know that Google aren't selling them any more. Don't know if HTC are even producing it still
[11:19] <brobostigon> hamitron: £100 mark, and i might be able to afford it, with some saving.
[11:19] <hamitron> I'll be looking at 2nd hand
[11:19] <bigcalm> ebay?
[11:19] <hamitron> probably
[11:19] <brobostigon> hamitron: that is, unlocked and sim free.
[11:19] <hamitron> yes
[11:19] <hamitron> when it is old and not many want one
[11:19] <hamitron> ;)
[11:19] <brobostigon> yes, :)
[11:20] <bigcalm> That'll be the only way you get it
[11:20] <hamitron> if it doesn't drop, will just get one of them creative android media players
[11:20] <hamitron> £160 brand new with gps
[11:21] <brobostigon> i think i will be having my htc dream for a while to come.
[11:21] <gord> woo finally getting around to booking uds tickets, only gonna go for a few days
[11:22]  * brobostigon also wants a CM7 buildfor his htc dream,
[11:23] <brobostigon> but i dont have enough hdd space, to do a build.
[11:23] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:23] <hamitron> CM7?
[11:23] <bigcalm> CyanogenMod 7
[11:23] <hamitron> never heard of it ;/
[11:24]  * BigRedS wants any CM for his Galaxy
[11:24] <bigcalm> http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
[11:24] <BigRedS> just as I thought 6.1 might not be too unstable, everything switches to 7
[11:25] <bigcalm> 6.1.1 is stable, CM7 is still quite buggy
[11:25] <hamitron> upgrades so often :/
[11:25] <davmor2> morning all
[11:25] <bigcalm> This is a good thing :)
[11:25] <BigRedS> ah, so 6.1 is still getting some attention?
[11:25] <bigcalm> BigRedS: no
[11:25]  * hamitron hates upgrades
[11:26] <BigRedS> Oh
[11:26] <bigcalm> As far as I can tell, 6.1.1 is the last release
[11:26]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski for an appraisal of RMS last night
[11:26] <X3N> just added you blog bigcalm to the planetplanet
[11:26] <bigcalm> X3N: thank you :)
[11:26] <X3N> ping JamesTait - your server seems to be refusing connection for the face you supplied
[11:27] <bigcalm> X3N: when will it update next?
[11:28] <X3N> it's generated every hour
[11:28] <X3N> on the hour
[11:28]  * bigcalm makes a note
[11:29] <bigcalm> Humm, wonder if I should have had breakfast for a change. Having been up and coding since 7.30am is more than my body is used to
[11:36] <mungojerry> anyone know of a twitter client that allows you to filter your own timeline? i want to disable all RT messages
[11:36] <bigcalm> I think that kazade is currently writing one. Suggest it to him as a feature request
[11:37] <mungojerry> bigcalm: i already did :P
[11:37] <bigcalm> Ah
[11:37] <bigcalm> :)
[11:37] <kazade> I'm working on it! :)
[11:37] <mungojerry> most of the people i follow tend to RT people that i already follow, hence message spam
[11:37] <bigcalm> Oh
[11:38] <czajkowski> davmor2: meh
[11:38] <bigcalm> Depending upon how the retweet is performed, tweet deck (on my phone) doesn't show retweeted tweets if you follow the original person
[11:38] <mungojerry> that's the idea..even better :)
[11:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: that good hey
[11:39] <davmor2> czajkowski: did he anounciate his vowels correctly?
[11:39] <bigcalm> So I guess "tweet deck" as an answer to your question :)
[11:39] <mungojerry> davmor2: enunciate :P
[11:39] <mungojerry> bigcalm: thanks, does it need adobe air?
[11:40] <bigcalm> mungojerry: not on Android, where I use it :)
[11:40] <davmor2> mungojerry: I'm dyslexic and spellcheck gave me nothing close so :P
[11:41]  * kazade thinks his client already filters retweets of people he follows...
[11:41] <mungojerry> kazade: got a name for it ?
[11:42] <Gary> I want pancakes!
[11:43] <kazade> I pinched a name from popey :)
[11:43] <mungojerry> bigcalm: thats useful...goes to android market
[11:43] <brobostigon> i have a feeling gwibber also does that.
[11:43] <kazade> "Tessuto"
[11:43] <mungojerry> kazade: apple lover is japanese?
[11:43] <shauno> had pancakes at midnight (any excuse works), but she made them american-style :(
[11:43] <mungojerry> s/is/in
[11:44] <kazade> mungojerry, it's Italian
[11:44] <czajkowski> Gary: http://twitpic.com/47f4gb
[11:45] <mungojerry> kazade: tissue? woven?
[11:46] <kazade> it's supposed to mean "web" or "woven" ... but I notice that Google translate is saying "tissue"
[11:46]  * bigcalm won't get pancakes until tomorrow, ho hum
[11:46] <Gary> czajkowski: meh :'(
[12:00] <BigRedS> Quick straw poll: SSH tunnels, elegant or hackish?
[12:00] <kirrus> (context, chucking MySQL traffic down one to make server migration easier)
[12:02] <shauno> personally, ambivalent; ranging from perfectly sane as a stop-gap, not rather awkward for a long-term solution
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Iain Cuthbertson] Mimicking wordpress.coms image resize URIs - http://www.myrant.net/2011/03/07/mimicking-wordpress-coms-image-resize-uris/
[12:20] <daubers> leftovers + rice = a good lunch
[12:21] <popey> YES!
[12:21] <popey> RICE + * = Good Lunch!
[12:21] <tugrik> :)
[12:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: GIT!
[12:23] <czajkowski> BRAT!
[12:23] <AlanBell> BZR!
[12:24] <davmor2> czajkowski: I know but showing pictures of pancakes this early in the day is just evil
[12:24] <popey> davmor2: I cooked some at midnight and put it in the fridge for the kids this morning :)
[12:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: Command BZR! not found did you mean bzr !
[12:25] <davmor2> popey: your just too organised and should be poked fun at all day osd boy ;)
[12:25] <mungojerry> fresh rice i hope...not reheated :P
[12:25] <popey> do you mean OCD?
[12:25] <daubers> Someone needs to write a git clone called brat now
[12:25] <popey> no, i left for work at 06:30, before the kids got up :(
[12:26] <popey> but promised them pancakes so had to deliver
[12:26] <popey> right, lunchtime!
[12:26]  * popey wanders down to the canteen to get take away foodstuff
[12:26] <davmor2> popey: No I want you on screen displays helping tidy up the computer :D
[12:26] <czajkowski> popey: awwww nice dad
[12:27] <popey> Yes! I am! :D
[12:27] <popey> I even slept in the spare room so as not to wake everyone at 6AM
[12:27] <popey> (thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it)
[12:27] <popey> tum te tum te tum!
[12:28] <davmor2> popey: admit it you were up all night playing minecraft
[12:31]  * MooDoo slept with my son last night, he was rather restless....:(
[12:32] <czajkowski> popey: playing with trains or minecraft
[12:32] <popey> :)
[12:33]  * popey can haz salmon, potatoes and carrots
[12:38]  * AlanBell was a bit late home and nearly ended up in with the chickens
[12:39] <czajkowski> lol
[12:39] <czajkowski> but that was a yummy burger last night
[12:39] <czajkowski> where were we do you know
[12:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: Burger king
[12:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: Home Made Burgers do the bestest burgers in the UK
[12:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ?
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: on a pancake that's just wrong
[12:44] <popey> heh
[12:44] <popey> they had pancakesin the canteen
[12:45] <davmor2> popey: wim avin pancakes for tea lots of them nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom............
[12:46]  * brobostigon cant have, due to his dairy and egg allergies. :(
[12:47] <Pendulum> brobostigon: can you have vegan pancakes?
[12:47] <brobostigon> Pendulum: as long as no egg nor any milk or any kind,
[12:47] <brobostigon> of*
[12:47] <Pendulum> can you do soy milk?
[12:47] <brobostigon> Pendulum: yes.
[12:48] <Pendulum> so use soymilk instead of milk and either leave out eggs or substitute something like applesauce as a binder or use vegan egg replacer? (I dunno if they have the last thing in the UK, but we've got it on this side of the pond)
[12:49] <popey> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100217071924AAaz64i
[12:49] <popey> "Just put your morals aside for a day"
[12:49] <popey> "Best answer" :)
[12:49] <brobostigon> Pendulum: apple, umm, not really like that idea. vegen egg replacer, not seen it in ages.
[12:49] <Pendulum> popey: allergic isn't the same as morals
[12:50] <popey> i know
[12:50] <popey> i was pointing out the humour
[12:50] <popey> never mind
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> I'm allergic to morals.
[12:50] <popey> That's funny, I'm allergic to Mez
[12:50] <Pendulum> brobostigon: google is also finding me some recipes that don't have egg or anything to take the place of egg
[12:51] <Pendulum> brobostigon: my ex was allergic to eggs, milk, and several other foods so I'm rather well versed in adapting things to food allergies ;-)
[12:51] <brobostigon> Pendulum: good idea, i look every year, and dont find a viable way,
[12:51] <brobostigon> Pendulum: :)
[12:51] <Pendulum> brobostigon: http://www.food.com/recipe/5-minute-vegan-pancakes-132263
[12:52] <brobostigon> Pendulum: thats dead simplerecipe really, :)
[12:52] <Pendulum> food.com seems to have quite a few vegan pankcake recipes :)
[12:52] <brobostigon> thank you.
[12:53] <Pendulum> and, yeah, they should be pretty simple
[12:53] <Pendulum> you're welcome :)
[12:53] <brobostigon> :)
[12:54] <Pendulum> I am now very tempted to go make pancakes for breakfast even though Pancake Day doesn't really exist over here
[12:54] <brobostigon> :)
[12:55] <Pendulum> or, rather, is really only celebrated by a small portion of the population (and I am not from that group)
[12:56] <gord> what?!
[12:56] <gord> its pancake day?
[12:57] <gord> argh i forgot
[12:57] <AlanBell> czajkowski: it was yummy, somewhere near covent garden I think
[12:57] <brobostigon> gord: i think its a standerd holidayevent in google calendar.
[12:57] <popey> quick! 110g flour, 2 eggs, 200ml milk, 75ml water, salt, oil, pan, lemon, sugar... STAT!
[12:57] <AlanBell> czajkowski: http://www.restaurant-guide.com/maxwells-restaurant-covent-garden.htm
[12:58] <popey> it is in the "UK Holidays" Google Calendar yes
[12:58] <popey> even though it's technically not a holiday :)
[12:58] <shauno> it's not?!
[12:59] <popey> define holiday?
[12:59]  * daubers works in mugs for pancakes
[12:59] <DJones> It was traditionally a 1/2 day holiday
[12:59] <daubers> 2 or 3 eggs, 1 mug flour, 1 mug milk, pinch of salt and fry
[12:59] <shauno> I tend to work all holidays (bar new years', I refuse).  so I have a very lose idea of holidays :)
[13:00]  * popey works in "search the internet for a recipe" for pancakes
[13:00] <popey> there is a guy here who works _every_day
[13:00] <popey> weekdays, weekends, holidays
[13:00] <popey> his family live in germany and he lives here
[13:00] <popey> I think he takes about 1 week off a year
[13:01]  * AlanBell thinks someone should make circle of friends pancakes somehow and put the recipe and photo on http://ubuntu-uk.org/category/recipes/
[13:02] <mungojerry> popey: is he the CEO? otherwise what's the point of working every day
[13:04] <popey> he is a contractor
[13:04] <popey> so gets revenue for every day he works
[13:04] <czajkowski> wow
[13:04] <czajkowski> lotta revenue
[13:04] <mungojerry> until he dies at 50 from overwork
[13:04] <czajkowski> surely tax must kick in at some point
[13:05] <popey> he's over 50
[13:05] <popey> well, he pays tax of course (I assume)
[13:05] <mungojerry> popey: nah he's really 31, he just look s50 ;p
[13:05] <popey> :)
[13:06]  * mungojerry used to often work 6.40am -> 6pm
[13:06] <mungojerry> plus commute on top
[13:07]  * daubers had a weekend off last weekend \o/
[13:07] <daubers> First one in a month and a bit :(
[13:07] <mungojerry> nearly did me in..now i do a 9-5 and take all my olhidays
[13:07] <daubers> Silly tight timescale contracts
[13:07] <mungojerry> life is worth more than money
[13:14] <hoover> Reminds me of the old "consultant at St. Peter's Gate" joke
[13:20] <bigcalm> Do tell us more :)
[13:22] <bigcalm> Humm, the uupc face image needs fixing on planet
[13:29] <shauno> I do 6-6 on a regular basis.  wouldn't change it if they let me
[13:30] <shauno> means I average 3.3 shifts a week.  it's those nutters working 5 days I don't understand :p
[13:31] <MooDoo> shauno: 7 days for me next week :)
[13:32] <shauno> see, that's crazy :)
[13:32] <MooDoo> working this weekend, then monday to friday
[13:32] <hoover> hey biggie
[13:32] <shauno> if I did 7 days, I'd have to take nearly 2 weeks off to average my rotation
[13:32] <bigcalm> Afternoon hoovie :)
[13:33] <hoover> anyway, consultant says: "Why did I have to die, I'm only 35!!!"
[13:33] <hoover> St. Peter replies: "The time you've been charging your clients makes you 85..." ;-)
[13:33] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:35] <popey> bigcalm: fixed, thanks
[13:35] <bigcalm> popey: :)
[13:35] <mgdm> Morning
[13:35] <bigcalm> Hiya mgdm :)
[13:36] <shauno> reading old docs is giggle-worthy.  this paper claims there's over 600 unix installs, with 'thousands' of users
[13:37] <bigcalm> How old is old?
[13:37] <shauno> older than me :)
[13:38] <shauno> '74 apparently
[13:40]  * mgdm waves from Heathrow
[13:57] <Mez> vim ~/foo.pl/lastlog Mez
[13:57] <Mez> popey... ???
[14:09] <hoover> mgdm: Free wireless? ;-)
[14:09] <mgdm> hoover: tethered Android
[14:14] <Daviey> mgdm, Free wifi in the lounge :)
[14:22] <gord> i will *never* learn that vim isn't included on the cd
[14:26] <X3N> you're just in denial gord ;)
[14:26] <mungojerry> spotify now have 1 million paying subscribers
[14:27] <gord> *cough* good article *cough* http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/03/collaborations-demise.html
[14:29] <bigcalm> tl;dr
[14:32] <bigcalm> My goodness, these are indeed spicy
[14:32] <mungojerry> if only KDE was as good as it sounds on paper
[14:32] <bigcalm> Maybe Enlightenment should be given a go
[14:35] <bigcalm> E17 still hasn't been released, heh
[14:37] <gord> whenever anyone talks about E17 my mind just goes to east 17...
[14:37] <Baikonur> what's E17
[14:38] <directhex> enlightenment
[14:38] <BigRedS> they were a boy band
[14:39] <screen-x> BigRedS: haha
[14:39]  * screen-x pretends not to know who east 17 were. 
[14:39] <Baikonur> i don't need to pretend
[14:39] <bigcalm> That's the problem with E17 name. I only think of the boy band and Americans have no idea
[14:40] <Baikonur> i'm not american :(
[14:40] <screen-x> E17 would be a good replacement for rick astley
[14:41]  * brobostigon shakes fist at gpu lockup, bug.
[14:41] <bigcalm> Trust me to ignore Twitter all day long
[14:41] <bigcalm> Just seen the last 3 tweets from big_ben_clock
[14:41]  * bigcalm giggles
[14:41] <brobostigon> lol
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://twitter.com/#!/Klok_Domtoren http://twitter.com/#!/coucou_suisse
[14:42] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I didnt know there were so many :)
[14:42] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: boring and cute respecively
[14:43] <bigcalm> And in the wrong timezone ;)
[14:44] <Baikonur> how does one link to a specific tweet
[14:44] <bigcalm> Click on the time of the tweet
[14:44] <Baikonur> ooh, thanks
[14:45] <bigcalm> Welcome
[14:58] <bigcalm> Time for a fondant fancy
[15:02] <popey> Hello sailor!
[15:02] <bigcalm> Hello Kitty :)
[15:07] <kaushal> Hi
[15:08] <kaushal> is there a debug window while installing Ubuntu OS ?
[15:09] <X3N> kaushal: it logs to something like /var/log/installer
[15:10] <kaushal> yeah
[15:10] <kaushal> while installing ?
[15:10] <X3N> yeah
[15:10] <X3N> e.g. tail -f /var/log/installer
[15:11] <kaushal> so do CTRL-ALT-F1 and then  tail -f /var/log/installer ?
[15:11] <X3N> yeah, or if you using the live mode you could open a terminal
[15:14] <brobostigon> arghhh :(
[15:16]  * brobostigon tries out a newer gingerbread buildfor his htc dream, and keepshis  ingers crossed.
[15:19] <bigcalm> Unplugged laptop, it reports that there is 7:50 of battery time remaining. Close to 8 hours or 8 minutes - neither are likely
[15:20] <bigcalm> Now saying 2:35, bit better
[15:27] <bigcalm> Is there a doctor in the house?
[15:27]  * brobostigon wonders if danfish is around. for bigcalm 
[15:28] <bigcalm> Sharp pains in the ring and little fingers on my right hand. Had this for a few hours yesterday as well
[15:28] <bigcalm> Trapped nerve?
[15:28] <DJones> RSI ? Keyboard & mouse releated
[15:29] <bigcalm> I have RSI from computer use any way :)
[15:29] <DJones> bigcalm: You should be pinging danfish
[15:29] <bigcalm> This is new though
[15:29] <bigcalm> danfish: ping
[15:29] <Venko> That's what I would have guessed too but I'm most definitely no doctor
[15:30] <DJones> I'm nearer to a vet than a doctor
[15:32] <X3N> bigcalm: system > preferences > keyboard > typing break ;)
[15:32] <DJones> Although that could be a good thing, from memory, don't vets have to be better qualified than a doctor
[15:33] <bigcalm> X3N: Not very productive that ;)
[15:33] <bigcalm> DJones: now I know where to go if I need worming ;)
[15:33] <X3N> bigcalm: yeah, well, bit late now
[15:34] <bigcalm> X3N: I mean taking breaks isn't productive
[15:34] <DJones> bigcalm: Somebody will have to remind me which end to put the worming tablets into
[15:34] <bigcalm> X3N: I realise I don't take enough breaks
[15:34] <bigcalm> I'm the oposite from my school me
[15:36] <danfish> bigcalm: pongy
[15:36] <bigcalm> danfish: cure me!
[15:36] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:36] <bigcalm> Sharp pains in the ring and little fingers on my right hand. Had this for a few hours yesterday as well
[15:37] <danfish> ulnar nerve compression
[15:37] <kazade> bigcalm, hit the fingers on your left hand with a hammer
[15:37] <kazade> will totally take your mind off it
[15:37] <kazade> :)
[15:37] <danfish> heh
[15:37] <bigcalm> danfish: so could be refered pain from my shoulders?
[15:37] <mungojerry> my workplace has been a noisy building site for 2 years now...starting to lose my mind :(
[15:38] <danfish> eitehr at the elbow, wrist or shoulder
[15:38] <danfish> only cure - 6 weeks paid holiday to the Seychelles ;)_
[15:38] <bigcalm> Hehe, yaya
[15:38] <bigcalm> -a
[15:38] <kazade> I've found that since taking up Karate, I've had far less neck/shoulder/back pain - that use to relay to my hands
[15:38] <DJones> bigcalm: If you'd said it'd been your left ring finger, I'd have said it might be an allergic reaction to wearing a wedding ring
[15:38] <bigcalm> DJones: I'm only engaged so far ;)
[15:39] <DJones> bigcalm: Yeah, but you have to try the rings on before you buy :)
[15:39] <bigcalm> If it meant wearing a ring, I'd be up for that. But only Hayley got one
[15:39] <kazade> sexism ;)
[15:39] <bigcalm> DJones: few more years to go I think. We're saving for a mortgage deposit atm
[15:40] <mungojerry> i notice that a lot of men from the last generation don't wear wedding rings
[15:40] <bigcalm> I intend to wear a wedding ring
[15:40] <bigcalm> My dad doesn't wear one though (neither does my mum for that matter).
[15:40] <shauno> I intended to .. took me 2 months to lose it tho :/
[15:40] <DJones> bigcalm: I said the same thing & my wife bought me a ring with "With my two hands I give you my heart and crown it with my love" engraved on it
[15:41] <bigcalm> Awwww
[15:41] <bigcalm> DJones: super soppy and wonderful
[15:41] <shauno> DJones: let me guess .. it's kept somewhere safe so it doesn't get scratched up ;)
[15:41] <mungojerry> mines only been off for a few seconds in 5yrs so far
[15:42] <DJones> shauno: Its definately safe, on the opposite ring finger to my wedding ring :)
[15:42] <shauno> I've just never seemed to be able to wear rings.  awkward shaped fingers
[15:42] <bigcalm> I've never even tried one
[15:50] <HazRPG> hi all
[15:50] <bigcalm> Hi HazRPG
[15:57]  * brobostigon reckons he has found a decent gingerbread build for his htc dream.
[15:59] <mungojerry> bigcalm: tried tweetdeck on my android, like it :)
[16:00] <bigcalm> mungojerry: it's my fave so far
[16:00] <mungojerry> shame about the widget but hey
[16:00] <HazRPG> bigcalm: hey :)
[16:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: winner :)
[16:00] <bigcalm> popey: wtf?
[16:01] <mungojerry> i think he's suggesting that real men eat digestives with tarmac and dirt spread on them, rather than fondant fancies
[16:02]  * mungojerry munches on another bourbon biccie
[16:02] <popey> bigcalm: hmm?
[16:02] <bigcalm> mungojerry: no, I was being obtuse and mixing twitter with irc again ;)
[16:02] <mungojerry> oh lol :P
[16:03] <bigcalm> popey: the 1st user in your tweet doesn't exist
[16:03] <mungojerry> popey: don't feed the trolls :)
[16:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: we will see, maybe, :)
[16:03] <popey> bigcalm: its identica
[16:03] <popey> mungojerry: :)
[16:04] <bigcalm> Bah, nobody uses that ;)
[16:04]  * brobostigon installs setcpu back.
[16:04] <mungojerry> entering a trolling match with someone who makes anti-* sites is getting into an argument that isn't worth winning
[16:07] <mungojerry> think i'm going to start reading h-online instead of slashdot et al
[16:27] <shauno> ouch.  tab completion bites back.  grep <file term | sed 's/patt/ern/' >SAMEFILEARGHHHH.
[16:35] <mungojerry> anyone finding unity particularly crashy today?
[16:36] <gord> mungojerry, what kind of crash?
[16:36] <gord> mungojerry, when did you update?
[16:36] <popey> not used it today
[16:38] <mungojerry> gord: earlier today 10am ish,...and just now
[16:38] <mungojerry> same bug..will report
[16:41] <mungojerry> gord: if unity+compiz crashes and doesn't offer to upload crash report..what's the best way to trigger that
[16:42] <gord> mungojerry, you should get apport, asking you, i'm not sure otherwise. but i was interested in what you were doing at the time :)
[16:42] <mungojerry> rearranging icons on the launcher - it's reproducible
[16:43] <mungojerry> there's an incomplete bug report - i had the full logs but didn't submit due to there being an existing bug
[16:43] <mungojerry> which i now realise is incomplete
[16:45] <mungojerry> bug 731096
[17:39] <cbx33> popey, you use fedora a lot now?
[17:39] <popey> nope
[17:39] <popey> i haven't used it for years
[17:41] <cbx33> hahah
[17:41] <cbx33> aww you were being nice :
[17:41] <popey> yup
[17:41] <cbx33> i thought you told me you didn't do that :p
[17:41] <popey> also, they have some nice stuff that I'd like to see them test before we get it :D
[17:41] <cbx33> or maybe that was just to me
[17:42] <popey> o_O
[17:42] <cbx33> hahahahah
[17:42] <popey> you're implying I'm not nice?
[17:42] <cbx33> j/k
[17:42] <popey> ah
[17:42] <cbx33> no
[17:42] <davmor2> cbx33: Don't go confusing popey with MooDoo
[17:42] <cbx33> i always said you were nice
[17:42] <cbx33> you "corrected me"
[17:42] <cbx33> hehehe :p
[17:42] <popey> hah
[17:43] <cbx33> i dunno what thats about :p
[17:43] <cbx33> how goes it anyway good sir?
[17:46] <popey> tickety boo
[17:46] <cbx33> sweet
[17:47] <cbx33> the books moving along well :)
[17:49] <gord> its been a while since i tried fedora, maybe i should get an iso sometime. i kinda got bored with trying distros a long time ago
[17:50] <gord> everywhere else you are basically just using gnome/kde with different package managers
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[17:50] <cbx33> yup
[17:51] <cbx33> and for me apt beats almost everything out there
[17:51] <cbx33> esp for speed
[17:54] <AlanBell> any more peeps left to fill in http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p ?
[17:56] <davmor2> AlanBell: of course they are but it's like being on the school bus when the teacher says if your not here put your hand up ;)
[17:57] <gord> AlanBell, do a uds quiz night!
[17:57]  * AlanBell isn't going to UDS :(
[17:57] <gord> AlanBell, oh :( i thought i saw you on the sign up thing
[17:58] <popey> could do a "UDS vs Rest Of The World"
[17:58] <AlanBell> gord: remote participation list perhaps
[17:58] <AlanBell> oh and I was testing the signup thing for jcastro and submitted a sponsorship application or two
[17:58] <AlanBell> special dietary requirements "dinosaur meat only"
[17:59] <gord> do uds people know they are going yet? its always pretty late for community
[17:59] <popey> no
[17:59] <popey> its not closed yet
[17:59] <popey> 27th March
[18:00] <gord> ah
[18:00] <gord> only going for a few days this year anyway
[18:01] <bigcalm> Census day :)
[18:02] <popey> census website breakdown day!
[18:02] <bigcalm> Hehe
[18:02]  * dutchie already done census
[18:02] <bigcalm> I'll be doing it on paper
[18:02] <bigcalm> dutchie: it's not meant to be completed until the 27th
[18:02] <gord> did mine a few days ago on the website
[18:02]  * popey tickles d0od 
[18:02]  * X3N doesn't like the fact it's being run by an Arms company :(
[18:03] <dutchie> bigcalm: students at certain universities with short terms are asked to do it earlier
[18:03] <bigcalm> I see
[18:03] <bigcalm> Short term memories?
[18:03] <dutchie> there is a note about it somewhere on my desk
[18:03] <dutchie> but that is not particularly useful considering the state of my desk
[18:06] <bigcalm> Dog walking time!
[18:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing  Request For Comments - http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/08/ubuntu-wiki-relicensing-request-for-comments/
[18:23] <Laney> is that legally acceptable?
[18:23] <Laney> silence is consent
[18:25] <Baikonur> not legally, nor morally
[18:31] <dutchie> Laney: pretty sure there was an auto-email that went out to all wiki contributors
[18:31] <Laney> yes I know, I got it
[18:32] <Laney> I am asking whether it's legal to assume that someone consents if they don't object
[18:33] <hamitron> plenty of people do it
[18:33] <hamitron> I'd question what is ment by a "similar license"
[18:34] <cbx33> plenty of people pirate dvds
[18:34] <hamitron> cbx33: I mean by official means
[18:34] <hamitron> :)
[18:34] <cbx33> heheh
[18:34] <cbx33> :p
[18:34] <cbx33> i know
[18:34] <cbx33> was playing the role of annoying idiot
[18:34] <hamitron> yes :D
[18:35] <cbx33> did i win?
[18:35] <cbx33> :p
[18:35] <shauno> if the "publically listed as copyright Canonical Ltd" means there was actually a copyright assignment agreed to when you add content, then yes, it's completely legal, it's canonical's to relicense, making such consultation purely an attempt at not being sneaky about it
[18:36] <hamitron> yeh
[18:37] <hamitron> that was my other question... if everyone did sign the rights over
[18:37] <hamitron> technically they could deny all distribution then
[18:38] <hamitron> ?
[18:38] <shauno> kinda damned if you do/don't.  say something, and someone will disagree with it.  say nothing, and they'll assume foul motive
[18:39] <hamitron> it is times like this, I think signing copyright over is a good thing
[18:40] <hamitron> removes that problem of changing the licensing if wanted/required
[18:40] <Laney> correcting for lack of foresight, that's not convincing enough
[18:40] <Laney> I wonder if implicit copyright assignment is even valid
[18:40] <Laney> IANALBATLTIKOWIWO
[18:41] <hamitron> :|
[18:43] <shauno> I see no real problem with it tho (ethically).  I think CC matches the spirit any contribution to ubuntu should be made in
[18:43] <Venko> Doesn't it entirely depend on you agreeing on registration to use the wiki or agreeing on submission of content for it that they would have owned it anyway?
[18:43] <hamitron> what existing license is put on the content of the wiki?
[18:43] <Venko> Not that I have a problem with relicensing it whether they owned it or not. I'm happy for anything I've added to the wiki to be licensed as mentioned
[18:49] <Laney> The website HTML, text, images audio, video, software or other content that is made available on this website are the property of someone - the author in the case of content produced elsewhere and reproduced here with permission, or Canonical or its content suppliers. Before you use this content in some way please take care to ensure that you have the relevant rights and permissions from the copyright holder
[18:49] <Laney> hmm
[18:49] <hamitron> that is from signup?
[18:50] <hamitron> no nvm
[18:50] <Laney> http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090223152827/http://www.ubuntu.com/legal
[18:50]  * hamitron is brain dead atm
[18:51] <hamitron> ffs, I have that blocked
[18:51] <hamitron> :/
[18:52] <hamitron> does wiki system have logs of who added what?
[18:53] <shauno> should do; just stick ?action=info  on the end of a url
[18:54] <knightpad> hey everyone
[18:54] <shauno> (altho I think the actual line you're looking for is in the site footer, so not actually park of the wiki)
[18:54] <knightpad> i got  little question, i would like to have a script create a directory , where the directory name is the date
[18:55] <knightpad> for example , mkdir (day of the year) as the foldername
[18:55] <knightpad> or mkdir 'day - month'
[18:55] <knightpad> any idea what teh correct syntax would be
[18:56] <shauno> mkdir `date '+%Y'`
[18:56] <shauno> would make you a dir named '2011'
[18:57] <shauno> I think man 3 strftime gives you all the goodies you can use where %Y is, but %Y, %m and %d are going to be the really useful ones (year, month, date)
[18:57] <shauno> so '+%Y-%m' gives you 2011-03, and so on
[18:57] <knightpad> ok ah k :) thanx ! :)
[18:57]  * knightpad goes forth and tinkers
[18:58] <shauno> just watch your copy paste, there's both ticks and back-ticks in there :)
[18:58] <hamitron> reminds me of using su -c
[18:59] <hamitron> never used back tick on that though
[18:59] <HazRPG> ah man, seems I'm buying a c64 just as hardware hackers are starting to give up on them :(
[18:59] <shauno> heh, then you'd want to wrap it in more quotes, and life gets messy :)
[18:59] <HazRPG> can't seem to find a MMC64 or any card reader/writer for the c64
[19:00] <hamitron> HazRPG: if people give up on them, maybe 2nd hand is the way to go?
[19:00] <HazRPG> hamitron: that's just it, there are non to be find 1st or 2nd hand :(
[19:00] <hamitron> :/
[19:00] <HazRPG> I'm guessing the markers are giving up
[19:00] <HazRPG> but the owners of them, are still using/keeping the ones they do have
[19:01] <hamitron> any documentation about them?
[19:01] <HazRPG> the MMC64 doesn't, the guys been hiding the info and the firmware about them
[19:01] <HazRPG> there's documentation on /how/ to use one
[19:01] <HazRPG> but that's all
[19:01] <shauno> should still be able to find sd2iec easy enough
[19:02] <shauno> you'll find stuff like that is silly expensive tho.  I paid more for a video card for my amiga, than I've ever paid for a PC one.  short runs make them expensive to make
[19:02] <HazRPG> preferably, I'd like it to be able to write/read to/from a .d64 file
[19:03] <hamitron> you not got a parallel port?
[19:03] <HazRPG> shauno: yeah I know, the MMC64 cost 99E.U.
[19:03] <HazRPG> hamitron: on my PC?
[19:03]  * hamitron shrugs
[19:04] <hamitron> just reading the wiki
[19:04] <hamitron> ;)
[19:04] <HazRPG> the c64 should have one
[19:04] <hamitron> The MMC64 serves as a read/write interface for MMC and SD flash memory media
[19:04] <shauno> http://www.nkcelectronics.com/sd2iec-boar2.html   claims $45 US (£28 + shipping/import robbery)
[19:04]  * HazRPG still hasn't received his... only got sent yesterday, and he's sending via 2nd class - much to my dislike
[19:06] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, that's not bad
[19:06] <HazRPG> roughly works out to be the same price as what I paid for the c64 - but still not bad
[19:07] <hamitron> you could maybe make one also
[19:07] <hamitron> ?
[19:07] <HazRPG> True...
[19:07] <shauno> you can, that particular board is all fossy.  schematics & firmwares & sources on c64-wiki ;)
[19:08] <shauno> I've got €400 tucked away waiting for a guy to finish making some new amiga hardware.  you've picked the wrong hobby :p
[19:08] <hamitron> gives you better hacker-cred too
[19:08] <HazRPG> hmm, how would one connect that up to the c64 (can't seem to figure it out)
[19:09] <HazRPG> hamitron: making my own you mean?
[19:09] <HazRPG> shauno: you do? What hardware are you waiting to be made?
[19:09] <davmor2> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm dragon age II  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm http://drool.popey.com/
[19:09] <HazRPG> shauno: or just in general?
[19:10] <shauno> HazRPG: fpgaarcade.com  :)
[19:11] <shauno> a lot of back & forth on amiga.org making sure there's a miggy softcore for it, and that the hardware is up to the job
[19:13] <shauno> hm, apparently that sd2iec board sits on top of another board :/
[19:13] <shauno> see if you can make some sense of http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/SD2IEC
[19:14] <shauno> they mention being able to use it without the daughterboard, but I've no idea what it connects to that way
[19:14] <hamitron> meh
[19:15] <shauno> it looks like with the extra board, it's all hooked up to a 6-pin DIN so it'd hook up just like a floppy drive
[19:15] <hamitron> I wish i hadn't thrown away my last 286
[19:15] <hamitron> :/
[19:15] <shauno> nah, you should have.  no mmu, no linux :)
[19:15] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, your making my recent investment seem like a waste lol
[19:15] <HazRPG> although, I've always wanted to own a c64
[19:16] <hamitron> minix 2 would of run, and been fun to play with
[19:16] <hamitron> :)
[19:16] <shauno> HazRPG: not at all.  just have to remember that every time you want hardware that didn't exist the first time around, you're looking looking at £20 jobs from someone's attick
[19:17] <shauno> er, you're *not* looking at ..
[19:18] <HazRPG> shauno: no I mean when you said I picked the wrong hobby lol
[19:18] <shauno> so do I :)
[19:18] <shauno> every time you want new hardware, it's going to bleed your wallet dry
[19:18] <HazRPG> yeah, I kinda figured it would - but even new hardware has the same effect
[19:19] <shauno> either get hacky and make do with what you can find; or be prepared that most things will cost more than the machine itself did
[19:19] <HazRPG> treu
[19:19] <HazRPG> true*
[19:19] <knightpad> hey hey :) can anybody see what i've done wrong in this syntax ? DESTINATION=/media/DESIRE/Music/Podcasts/`date '+%a'`/
[19:20] <hamitron> that is not a command
[19:20] <HazRPG> I've been told they still hold car boot sales near here, so I'm planning on making some trips down on a Sunday morning to see if I can find some stuff
[19:20] <knightpad> http://pastebin.com/y85sYiQi
[19:20] <knightpad> here is the entire script
[19:20] <HazRPG> apparently on the Saturday afternoon they have some in Penrith too... so might start digging through there too :)
[19:20] <knightpad> its made to auto sync the latest episode of my podcasts to my android phone
[19:20] <knightpad> what i added is the date option
[19:21] <knightpad> so there is a folder created every day with the day of the week (that way i can see when the latest update was)
[19:21] <HazRPG> I always thought car boot sales died out here when they converted the usual car boot sale area in the centre of town into a nightclub
[19:21] <hamitron> it was the beer messing with your head ;)
[19:21] <shauno> knightpad: what error is it giving you ?
[19:22] <hamitron> loads of old smelly people to still have demand
[19:22] <shauno> initial feeling is you're going to want mkdir -p on line 4, but better knowing exactly what it's complaining about
[19:23] <knightpad> cannot create regular file `/media/DESIRE/Music/Podcasts/Tue/': No such file or directory
[19:23] <shauno> ah, bingo
[19:23] <shauno> short version: line 4, mkdir -p /media/blah/blah/blah
[19:23] <shauno> long version, you're deleted 'podcasts' in line 3, then tried to make a folder *inside* podcasts on 4
[19:24] <knightpad> aha !
[19:24] <shauno> -p gets mkdir to create parent dirs as required
[19:24] <knightpad> aaah yes indeed !
[19:24] <knightpad> ok , 'ill try again
[19:24] <knightpad> yep , looks like its running ! :) thanx :)
[19:25] <shauno> good stuff :)
[19:25] <knightpad> yep , its a nice little script that copies over the latest podcast episode from all the podcasts i download via gpodder
[19:25] <knightpad> now it makes a folder on my android phones SD card with the 'day of the week' , so know i know how 'fresh' my podcasts are
[19:27] <knightpad> awesome :) it works like a charm :)
[19:27] <shauno> yeah, I remember you trying to figure out how to find the most recent files.  nice to see it evolve :)
[19:28] <knightpad> yeah :)
[19:28] <knightpad> i got the idea in the car today , how am i gonna know how 'fresh' my updates are
[19:28] <knightpad> and thats how i came to the date command
[19:28] <knightpad> and having learned about backticks and stuff i thought .. This could work
[19:29] <knightpad> silly mkdir error , should have spotted that :)
[19:29] <knightpad> i also thought of sending the output to > /home/dropbox/podcastlog.txt
[19:30] <knightpad> that way i can check which podcasts have been synced over too
[19:31] <knightpad> i am starting to appreciate "beautiful code"
[19:31]  * knightpad is a total newbie
[19:31] <knightpad> (when it comes to coding that is)
[19:32] <shauno> well you've found the right way to learn.  find an itch, and have at it
[19:32] <knightpad> indeed :)
[19:33] <knightpad> and when you check out the entire philosophy behind my website / podcast .. its right in line with the "having technology work for you' vision
[19:34] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, that site you linked me to... looks interesting, but I think my lack of knowledge is failing me... am I right in thinking he's trying to make smaller versions of the original hardware?
[19:34] <shauno> sort of
[19:34] <HazRPG> or is it essentially a board used to be able to programme any hardware?
[19:35] <shauno> for most the smaller parts, they're just trying to make drop-in replacements of things that haven't been made in years
[19:35] <HazRPG> right
[19:35] <shauno> the big board that's dominating the front page (and my savings), uses an fpga in place of processor & co, so you can emulate different machines by re-flashing it
[19:35] <HazRPG> much like some of the SID chip replacements I've seen (swinSID)
[19:36]  * knightpad is gonna kick back on the couch :) thanx for the help shauno 
[19:36] <HazRPG> shauno: ah sweet :)
[19:36] <knightpad> btw : i wrote up an article about all the help i got to get the script right for fullcirclemagazine :) so this channel (and all you guyz here) get cudo's !
[19:37] <hamitron> HazRPG: shauno, what site?
[19:37] <HazRPG> hamitron: http://fpgaarcade.com/
[19:37] <shauno> hamitron: fpgaarcade.com  (I hope, else I'm really confusing Haz)
[19:37] <hamitron> got me interesting with that large board thing
[19:37] <hamitron> :)
[19:37] <hamitron> interested
[19:39] <ali1234> you can read/write a MMC card with only three gpio controlled from software
[19:39] <ali1234> as such, it's pretty easy to attach one to just about anything
[19:40] <HazRPG> shauno: I'm guessing FPGA's can be purchased by themselves, however this team are mainly working towards setting up a whole board and also some firmware to place in them... or am I completely off the mark here lol
[19:40] <shauno> I think the brunt of the controller I linked is the glue to present it to the c64 as a floppy drive
[19:40] <shauno> HazRPG: bingo
[19:40] <ali1234> FPGA dev boards are pretty common too
[19:40] <hamitron> shauno: 400 dollars?
[19:41] <ali1234> $400 for a FPGA based emulation seems a bit of a waste when you can just get a PC to do the same thing
[19:41] <shauno> eur
[19:41] <shauno> I think the last price I heard them throw around was around the 220 mark, but I have a margin because I know how these things go wrong
[19:42] <hamitron> emulating something just doesn't feel the same ali1234 :)
[19:42] <ali1234> emulating it on a FPGA is no different
[19:42] <HazRPG> I was just about to say the same ^^
[19:43] <hamitron> it is!
[19:43] <hamitron> you have something there....
[19:43] <ali1234> computer is computer
[19:43] <hamitron> you can have an expensive rare car, a kit car that is a copy, or a driving sim on your pc
[19:43] <shauno> the last board (minimig) got a lot more right that uae does, which is really the only miggy emulator going
[19:44] <ali1234> i thought that project got cancelled
[19:45] <brobostigon> android 2.3.3, atleast the build i have found, seems to be working rather well, on my htc dream, it has progressed quite alot inthe last few weeks, and the battery consumption seems to have improved.
[19:45] <shauno> minimig?  nope
[19:45] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, but won't this board they're creating still have the same limitations as most emulators?
[19:46] <shauno> crazy dutch guy appeared out of nowhere, announced he'd redone the whole A500 in an fpga, then disappeared.  universally laughed at, then re-appeared at a meet with a working board
[19:46] <ali1234> ah "then disappeared" - that was the last i heard about it
[19:47] <shauno> there's atleast one company still making & selling them, but it's getting a bit tired.  it's been thru a few revisions, now sports an arm daughterboard offloading harddrive emulation
[19:47] <ali1234> why is it doing HD emulation instead of just having a real harddrive?
[19:48] <shauno> because it's surprisingly difficult to find a drive the amiga gets on with well
[19:48] <ali1234> odd
[19:48] <ali1234> amiga supports SCSI pretty well i thought
[19:49] <ali1234> should be possible to just use SCSI -> USB -> SCSI -> IDE drive
[19:49] <ali1234> and just throw a USB port on it
[19:49] <shauno> I've just been using IDE, I think scsi needs one of the bigger (3000, 4000) boxes (or a zorro card)
[19:49] <ali1234> i mean, if you have a FPGA
[19:49] <ali1234> you can have an amiga with USB easily
[19:50] <ali1234> and USb storage is just SCSI packets wrapped in USB packets
[19:50] <shauno> tried atleast 10 different cf-ide convertors, the only one I could get to boot, the floppy drive wouldn't work.  it's a fussy little bugger
[19:50] <ali1234> cf-ide adapters are fully passive
[19:50] <shauno> I've had completely different results with different adaptors, with the same CF :/
[19:52] <ali1234> if they made a FPGA board that was a 68040 + video toaster all in one chip, now that would be impressive :)
[19:53] <shauno> not sure toaster would work
[19:53] <ali1234> there's no reason why it can't work
[19:53] <shauno> this one's emulating a straight 68k, but at a silly speed
[19:53] <shauno> toaster's one of the few things I'd expect to actually use the extra 020 instructions
[19:54] <ali1234> can you still buy 68k chips?
[19:54] <ali1234> if so, it would make more sense to use the FPGA only for custom chipset
[19:54] <shauno> not new, no
[19:55] <shauno> I've no idea what the details are, but the amiga doesn't like coldfire 68k
[19:55] <shauno> so it's motorola or nothing
[19:57] <shauno> plus, I like that this one isn't bound to the 68k.  there's a few pdp-on-a-fpga projects knocking around, and I really want to see if I can get one running on it
[19:58] <shauno> (simh doesn't seem to idle at all.  it runs my laptop at full pelt emulating a pdp11 that's still idling at half boot)
[20:00] <shauno> the only thing I'm missing in this new board, is that they wouldn't put hdmi in it, because there's a licensing cost
[20:01] <shauno> because this thing has to end up in front of the telly eventually :D
[20:03] <shauno> (can't do vga->dvi->hdmi because you lose the analogue path, so I can't use my real miggy on the TV without using the original resolution on composite .. yuck)
[20:05] <HazRPG> hmm
[20:06] <HazRPG> still don't think I fully understand all this stuff
[20:06] <shauno> even more OT (if it's possible) .. http://www.siliconsonic.de/news/Indivision_AGA_components.jpg
[20:06] <shauno> that's the video card I got for the miggy.  I love how hacky it is
[20:06] <HazRPG> heh
[20:06] <shauno> it sits upside-down, so the empty socket sits ontop of the existing video chip, and just piggy-backs
[20:07] <HazRPG> I wish I was more technical minded with hardware
[20:07] <HazRPG> I could imagine myself having so much fun right now if I did
[20:07] <shauno> I don't understand a lot of it :)  I just thought that was a clever solution to grabbing the video bus
[20:07] <HazRPG> which is why I'm interested in building my own SID if I can...
[20:08] <shauno> just sits on top like a little parasite
[20:08] <HazRPG> haha
[20:08] <HazRPG> I think I should probably register myself on a c64 mailing list
[20:08] <HazRPG> or old-school hardware... or something
[20:09] <HazRPG> I wonder if VHDL is actually hard to pick-up/learn
[20:09] <shauno> the little I've tried so far, is a complete mind-bender
[20:10] <shauno> you keep trying to approach it like writing a program.  but it's not, at all
[20:10] <HazRPG> ah
[20:10] <shauno> you're describing gates, and how they interact with each other
[20:11] <shauno> and the biggest trip is that everything runs at once.  just like on a chip.
[20:11] <HazRPG> I suppose hardware geeks have a field day with VHDL then
[20:12] <shauno> I still can't quite get my head around everything be parallel
[20:12] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, so a clock cycle looks like its done nothing, when really its done a whole instruction set
[20:13] <shauno> most designs do seem to do the whole set, atleast at the basic arithmetic level
[20:14] <shauno> you stick two numbers in.  have a set of logic for each instruction (add, sub, xor, etc)
[20:14] <shauno> then the actual instruction is used to decide which output is being used
[20:15] <ali1234> VHDL is just a means to an end
[20:16] <HazRPG> you know, it sometimes blows my mind to think that what we're looking at (monitor) is basically just a set of thousand 1's and 0's electrical signals being scurried around a board
[20:16] <shauno> it's something to do with the latency in each gate .. by taking the end result of a set of gates, you know your mux is picking the right lines by time the clock reaches it
[20:16] <ali1234> get a visual designer if it's easier
[20:18] <HazRPG> ali1234: I use to use one at college, all we made was an half adder and a full adder
[20:18] <HazRPG> then made a calculator with it
[20:18] <HazRPG> fun times
[20:18] <HazRPG> Digital Works, I think it was called
[20:19] <HazRPG> hmm, I'm surprised no one has tried to make a multi-boot hardware for all old machines
[20:20] <HazRPG> similar to that project shauno mentioned, except instead of flashing it for each machine you wanted to run - it just asked you on boot time which you wanted to load up
[20:20] <HazRPG> I suppose with that project, you could make some firmware that did just that
[20:21] <HazRPG> although depends on the flash memory space limitation I guess
[20:21] <shauno> you don't really flash this; the fpga starts empty
[20:22] <shauno> it's just the easiest way to explain what it's going
[20:24] <HazRPG> oh no I fully understand that fpga starts empty
[20:25] <HazRPG> its much like having an aurdino board - doesn't do anything until you upload some code to it
[20:25] <HazRPG> but I'm guessing same applies to fpga
[20:25] <shauno> yeah.  but the arduino is static
[20:26] <shauno> so you power it up with no computer connected, it'll just start running the last thing you gave it
[20:26] <shauno> this all comes off the sd card, so you start it with no card, you got no processor
[20:26] <HazRPG> ah, so the fpga doesn't actually store any information - it just runs it?
[20:28] <shauno> that's what I gather
[20:28] <HazRPG> well that's what I gathered too
[20:28] <HazRPG> the fpga just seems to be like a processor
[20:29] <shauno> pretty much.  just a processor with almost no functions.  except the ability to define your own
[20:30] <shauno> just looking thru what I missed.  he's put 60Mb on it.  I think mine has 5 :/
[20:30] <HazRPG> ?
[20:31] <shauno> I can't remember if there's 4 or 8 on my 020 board
[20:31] <HazRPG> I thought you were waiting for them to still be made?
[20:31] <shauno> I am :)  it's in the later stages
[20:31] <shauno> he's already got one off to yacube, the dude that wrote the AGA core for the minimig
[20:31] <HazRPG> ah, so the 5 you speak of is your actual amiga ?
[20:31] <shauno> yeah
[20:32] <HazRPG> with ya now ;)
[20:32] <shauno> it has 2 on board, then 'more' on the cpu board I got for it
[20:32] <HazRPG> cool
[20:32] <shauno> I don't remember how much more tho, because I had to pop one of the chips else it can't address the pcmcia slot anymore
[20:33] <shauno> and since I use that for getting files to/from my laptop, it's a rather useful slot to have
[20:34] <shauno> I think it's 8 fully populated, 4 with one missing, so I'd have 6 total?
[20:34] <shauno> I'd have to put it back together to find out.  blah.
[20:35] <shauno> and it still doesn't fit in the case :)
[20:37] <HazRPG> wow, my brain cells must be dying off at a rapid rather - I recall studying this at school, but I had to actually read about it to remember it
[20:38] <HazRPG> difference between analogue and digital
[20:38] <HazRPG> I knew analogue was a nice wave length, and digital is either 1 or 0 - so the wave is always square
[20:38] <HazRPG> but I couldn't remember how hardware represented this
[20:39] <shauno> http://shaun.oneil.me.uk/tmp/020.jpg   it doesn't look like it from there, but it's *just* too fat to get the blanking plate back on properly
[20:39] <AlanBell> HazRPG: not as square in practice as it is in theory
[20:40] <HazRPG> AlanBell: well yeah - but on paper you'd draw it as a square wave
[20:40] <AlanBell> I feel a blog post coming on
[20:40] <HazRPG> AlanBell: analogue vs digital? :P
[20:40] <AlanBell> no, quizes
[20:40] <AlanBell> there is a new scifi category in #ubuntu-trivia
[20:40] <HazRPG> interesting
[20:40] <HazRPG> nice :)
[20:41] <HazRPG> AlanBell: what's your blog mainly about then?
[20:42] <AlanBell> it is a blog about stuff I say
[20:42] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/author/alanbell/
[20:43] <shauno> mild confusion; you are two different people, right ?
[20:43] <AlanBell> we have been seen in the same room at the same time
[20:43] <directhex> two-headed siamese twins.
[20:43]  * AlanBell wonders if that is four heads in total
[20:44] <shauno> ahh, I see.  even more Alans
[20:44] <daubers> Rule of life is that there's always more Alans
[20:45] <shauno> sorry, just did a double-take with the domain :)
[20:45] <AlanBell> check the top 4 http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/
[20:46] <AlanBell> and that doesn't include Alan Cocks who I saw last night
[20:46] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I managed to rig up a MusicBot for my mumble server :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/author/lord_alan/
[20:46] <AlanBell> HazRPG: cool
[20:46] <AlanBell> can you record your mumble server?
[20:46] <directhex> apparently the overfiend behind the EDL is an Alan.
[20:46] <HazRPG> AlanBell: How do you mean?
[20:46] <HazRPG> AlanBell: as in you'd like to hear a sample of it?
[20:47] <daubers> Oh poo
[20:47] <AlanBell> HazRPG: as in create a .ogg recording of an hour of nattering
[20:47] <shauno> (eg, podcast minus skype ;)
[20:47] <HazRPG> AlanBell: 2.3 apparently has a recording feature added in ;)
[20:47] <AlanBell> I think it can be done with pulse and jack or something
[20:48] <HazRPG> AlanBell: but 2.3 isn't in the ubuntu repo for 10.10 - you have to add the mumble PPA
[20:48] <ali1234> why don't you all record your local audio and then edit it together?
[20:48] <AlanBell> I am running 11.04
[20:48] <AlanBell> ali1234: I was thinking of recording the quiz night for posterity
[20:49] <HazRPG> AlanBell: hmm, I think 11.04 has 2.3 of mumble in there
[20:49] <HazRPG> sorry my mistake its 1.3 of mumble
[20:49] <HazRPG> current in the repo for 10.10 and lower is 1.2.2
[20:50] <shauno> does http://blog.mumble.info/for-the-record/  help ?
[20:50] <HazRPG> AlanBell: you could use any tool essentially for recording audio couldn't you?
[20:51] <ali1234> oh, ok
[20:51] <HazRPG> heh, seems I got the version wrong again
[20:51] <HazRPG> 1.2.3 = latest
[20:51] <HazRPG> (why I thought it was 2.3 or 1.3 is beyond me :/)
[20:52] <shauno> 'multichannel' sounds nifty.  creates a separate file for each participant, so you can do post-edit
[20:52] <AlanBell> 1.2.3-1ubuntu-3 is the version in Natty
[20:52] <HazRPG> yeah :)
[20:52] <shauno> maybe disk intensive for quiz night, but would be handy for podcasting
[20:52] <HazRPG> AlanBell: that one has recoding ootb :)
[20:53] <AlanBell> ah, but in the client
[20:53] <AlanBell> so I need a Natty client or PPA install to do it
[20:53] <shauno> it sounds like everyone needs 1.2.3
[20:53] <ali1234> pulseaudio can record from any sound source so any individual program
[20:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: yeah, that's what I said :)
[20:54] <AlanBell> yeah, but that would record everyone but me
[20:54] <AlanBell> because of echo removal stuff I think
[20:54] <shauno> you don't have a spare machine?
[20:54] <ali1234> no, because you can record from more than one source at the same time into a mixdown
[20:54] <AlanBell> yeah I can do that on another machine
[20:54] <HazRPG> AlanBell: someone could setup a user to be a recorder
[20:55] <HazRPG> AlanBell: would also let people know that it is being recorded :)
[20:55] <HazRPG> e.g. like I have a user called "MusicBot"
[20:55] <shauno> could have a second client logged in on a spare machine, so everyone comes in off the same feed
[20:55] <HazRPG> you could have "RecordBot" or similar
[20:57] <shauno> I think I'd be tempted to do it that way just so I know that pulse isn't going to record me talking to myself (or worse) when I'm using push-to-talk
[20:57] <HazRPG> shauno: btw, the recoding will work regardless of what version they are running - as long as the server is 1.2.3 and at least one client (guy recording) is running 1.2.3
[20:58] <shauno> ah ok
[20:58] <shauno> wasn't sure because of the comment: For privacy reasons we will not allow recording on pre 1.2.3 servers. (They are not able to properly warn their users)
[20:58] <shauno> whether the clients would need to be current to accept such a hook, etc
[20:58] <shauno> (never used mumble, but used to TS forcing client upgrades if they're missing server-side features)
[21:00] <popey> evening all
[21:00] <shauno> o/
[21:01] <shauno> I swear random's given me the same song >5 tonight.  which wouldn't be so bad, but it's chubby brown :/
[21:02] <daubers> evening popey
[21:03] <AlanBell> so looks like there are a number of available approaches to recording, but all client-side
[21:03] <AlanBell> although I could run a client on the server for recording purposes
[21:04] <popey> shauno: there is a fun story of how apple changed the shuffle algorithm on the ipod shuffle because people claimed it wasnt random enough
[21:04] <popey> turns out it actually was
[21:04] <popey> they made it less random to meet peoples demands
[21:04] <AlanBell> bias against stuff recently played?
[21:05] <popey> yeah, or something
[21:05] <popey> only an anecdotal story I heard
[21:05] <ali1234> that was always a problem in winamp 2.x
[21:05] <popey> cant remember where
[21:05] <ali1234> i think they changed it too
[21:05] <ali1234> there were also plugins for "moar random" i think
[21:06] <shauno> I've heard that in a few contexts
[21:07] <AlanBell> I love apt
[21:07] <daubers> \o/
[21:07] <AlanBell> I have a server, I want a mumble client on it. No problem.
[21:07] <ali1234> the typical advice for winamp was always "load a playlist, random shuffle it, then play it in order"
[21:07]  * daubers was on the Hairy Bikers this evening
[21:07] <popey> ooo
[21:07] <ali1234> and here is a plugin which does it http://www.winamp.com/plugin/randomized-load/222097
[21:09] <shauno> funny, I've always wished random was more weighted
[21:09] <shauno> not so much against last plays, but score songs on how often I Next them, then weight against them
[21:10] <popey> banshee has some funky playlist logic
[21:14] <Seeker> pancakes ftw
[21:15] <HazRPG> AlanBell: can server even run mumble client without a display?
[21:15] <Seeker> wrt random songs, people don't believe that you can get two songs from the same album in a row if it is really random
[21:16] <ali1234> !info xvfb
[21:16] <shauno> really random can play an album from start to finish.  which would be ... random
[21:16] <AlanBell> HazRPG: I installed a minimal desktop
[21:16] <Seeker> these being the same people that don't believe that 1 2 3 4 5 6 is just as likely to come up in the lottery than any other combo
[21:17] <ali1234> Seeker: i think it is more an issue of them not wanting perfect mathemetical randomness
[21:17] <HazRPG> AlanBell: nice one :)
[21:17] <shauno> (reminds me of a time I thought my phone was going nuts; turned out I synced it without the NAS mounted, so there really was only 3 albums from the same band on it)
[21:18] <Seeker> ali1234: I suspect most people wouldnt know perfect mathematical randomness if it randomly chose them and hit them round the head
[21:18] <ali1234> why is this a problem?
[21:18] <squizzle-uk> ytre456tr4rt543retyedrfyi6gtedew456645df8hyugtrf636wqtre35w123456t7rf6534567gtr4w3q`1237521356ni9u8654eejuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuytgrfedwsq1q345t[#
[21:18] <Seeker> because its hard for them to not want it if they don't understand what it is
[21:18] <shauno> people generally don't know random.  pattern-matching is how we function
[21:18] <ali1234> not really
[21:19] <shauno> that's how we see jesus in bacon.  facial recognition trumps .. bacon
[21:20] <nperry_> Whey, my first patch taken into gnome-shell <3
[21:20] <ali1234> pretty sure they don't have any problem saying "i don't want it to play the same song over and over when in random mode"
[21:21] <ali1234> just because they don't understand that this is a consequence of a truly random shuffle, does not mean it is an invalid request
[21:22] <bigcalm> Aroo
[21:22] <shauno> popey: I'm blaming you for this :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> yay, I have a recording solution
[21:23] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/
[21:24] <AlanBell> and now, for pancakes
[21:25] <Baikonur> mm
[21:26] <Baikonur> pancakes would be nice
[21:26] <HazRPG> AlanBell: \o/ hurray, you called him RecordBot :)
[21:26] <Baikonur> sadly we don't have a pancake day
[21:27] <shauno> it's totally okay to have pancakes on non-pancake days.  Just try to restrain the public excitement, for their sakes'
[21:27] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_aHCpZl4k
[21:27] <bigcalm> Who needs an excuse to have them?
[21:29] <bigcalm> Hehe
[21:31]  * Seeker wonders if popey has managed to involve any techno-genious in pancake day
[21:31] <popey> i microwaved some pancakes just now
[21:34] <Seeker> hmm
[21:38] <shauno> that works ? or just reheat
[21:40] <popey> reheat
[21:40] <popey> i cooked them 22 hours ago
[21:42] <andylockran> howdy
[21:42] <Baikonur> http://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK/status/45235473173585920
[21:44] <AlanBell> nyom
[21:44] <shauno> where are ttys defined now that inittab's been taken out back and shot?
[21:45] <AlanBell> pancakes taste better with garden eggs
[21:45] <Baikonur> now i really want pancakes
[21:46] <andylockran> wow.. taking ages to compile gcc using macports..
[21:46] <Baikonur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla this is what we traditionally eat
[21:47] <Baikonur> on this day
[21:47] <AlanBell> you have to love the "In popular culture" section of wikipedia
[21:48] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/446/
[21:49] <ali1234> lol, that is spot on
[21:51] <shauno> still not sure I like upstart :/  having to rgrep /etc because they moved something that's worked since time began . blah
[21:51] <ali1234> at least grep still works
[21:52] <shauno> for now :)  just wait until they discover that netbooks don't need it
[21:52] <ali1234> i give it about 2 years before that happens
[21:52] <shauno> that's not too bad.  next LTS should take me up to 2017.  I may be done grumping by then
[21:53] <Baikonur> i'm pretty sure someone has made those edits to the wood article, at some point
[21:53] <shauno> if not before, certainly after.  I'm sure you could match up the dates if you're bored :)
[22:22] <exobuzz> waiting more than 3 hours for a package to build on launchpad. grumble.
[22:55] <HazRPG> Hmm, is this a bug with Brasero... or a driver issue... but for some reason when I hit eject on my disc writer, it pops the disc out... but still spinning at full speed and slowly stops because its no longer connected to the thing that spins it
[22:56] <HazRPG> also brasero keeps telling me that it doesn't know how to eject and I should do it manually
[22:56] <HazRPG> won't let me burn the same disc multiple times for the same reason
[22:58] <zleap> MadLeomon, hi
[23:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dave Morris] RMS Talk - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/rms-talk/
[23:14] <zleap> hey check out these stats http://www.heavens-above.com/visitsbyos.aspx
[23:16] <AlanBell> quiz time! #ubuntu-trivia has a bunch of new science fiction questions to play
[23:17] <andylockran> ready :)
[23:17] <AlanBell> steady go
[23:20] <zoe> Hi
[23:21] <AlanBell> hi
[23:22] <zoe> Seems the version of X-Chat I'm running auto-connects. Hmm...
[23:22] <AlanBell> yup, it does that
[23:22] <AlanBell> connects to #ubuntu-gb, which redirects to here
[23:23]  * hamitron prefers the sound of #ubuntu-gb
[23:23] <hamitron> too many u's in this
[23:23] <zoe> :)
[23:23] <AlanBell> an interesting point, I suspect it was debated at tedious length some time ago
[23:23] <zoe> Ubuntu-uk does sound a little off.
[23:23] <hamitron> a logo would look better for sure
[23:24] <AlanBell> GB is the geographical mainland
[23:24] <hamitron> Ireland doesn't matter? ;)
[23:24] <AlanBell> video at the bottom of the page -> http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[23:24] <directhex> the race is on!
[23:25] <hamitron> nobody in Ireland?
[23:25] <directhex> https://twitter.com/#!/directhex/statuses/45224774368100353 -> http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/3310
[23:25] <AlanBell> hamitron: I think some NI people are kinda in the ubuntu-ie loco
[23:25] <hamitron> my brain is struggling to think "ie"
[23:26] <AlanBell> makes a bit more geographical sense
[23:26] <hamitron> errrr
[23:26] <hamitron> ie?
[23:26] <directhex> eire
[23:26] <hamitron> k
[23:28] <AlanBell> directhex: so are you filing that in all the image viewer trackers?
[23:28] <hamitron> doesn't that map get my pin for launchpad? :/
[23:28] <hamitron> from*
[23:28] <AlanBell> hamitron: no, because that feature got kinda ripped out of launchpad
[23:29] <hamitron> oh
[23:29] <hamitron> :/
[23:29] <AlanBell> it does still have geo information in the API for some people but new people can't set their location in LP
[23:29] <directhex> AlanBell: i didn't file it anywhere! i tweeted, and shotwell upstream noticed
[23:30] <AlanBell> thereby proving that vala is the best language?
[23:32] <zoe_> Well, that's a new record for me. 10 minutes after installing Ubuntu I have managed to crash it.
[23:32] <AlanBell> oh dear, which version of Ubuntu?
[23:32] <zoe_> Normally it takes at least an hour of constant tinkering
[23:32] <zoe_> 10.10 64bit
[23:35] <directhex> AlanBell: thereby proving shotwell has the more active upstream
[23:39] <HazRPG> ZoeR: how have you managed to crash it?
[23:40] <ZoeR> HazRPG: I'm not sure. I opened Chromium, OpenOffice and X-Chat, then right-clicked to start a new Chromium tab.
[23:40] <HazRPG> random!
[23:40] <ZoeR> Apparently my little old PC didn't like that
[23:40] <ZoeR> Yeah!
[23:42]  * HazRPG just finished burning off 6 ubuntu CD's
[23:42] <HazRPG> hmm, why does the installer seem to pick up Windows 7 as being vista :S
[23:44] <HazRPG> hurray, my laptop seems to be happeir now :)
[23:44] <HazRPG> just finished installing ubuntu onto it
[23:44] <HazRPG> seems I had the partitions set up ready for it, but just never got round to it
[23:45] <HazRPG> although, saying that my laptop hasn't been used since I got my PC upgraded
[23:49] <andylockran> AlanBell: that program looks awesome
[23:49] <andylockran> though I'm awful
[23:50] <AlanBell> I didn't write it, but I did debug it
[23:50] <AlanBell> it has been broken for *ages*