| wolfger | morning | 12:13 |
|---|---|---|
| wolfger | How the &@$% do you report a bug on Launchpad? I swear, it's like they don't want new bug reports. | 12:14 |
| wolfger | then my apport bug gets marked a dupe of a non-public bug, so I can't even subscribe to that bug to track progress or offer input. | 12:18 |
| wolfger | This is possibly the most assinine system ever. | 12:18 |
| wolfger | PS: Natty sucks and I can't believe we're going to launch this steaming turd in 50 days. | 12:19 |
| * wolfger grumbles some more | 12:19 | |
| wolfger | and I had two apport-able bugs this morning, but it seems that Apport got confused and submitted the same bug twice (both bugs happened at once). | 12:22 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 12:23 |
| rick_h_ | wolfger: is off to a great start today | 12:23 |
| wolfger | OK, finally found the report-a-bug link, buried at the end of a lengthy document about how to use Apport to report a bug (which is worthless to even have, since Apport is pretty much an automated process) | 12:24 |
| wolfger | augh!!!!!! | 12:26 |
| wolfger | after all that, the bug I'm trying to report is a dupe (despite it not showing up when I did a search) | 12:27 |
| * wolfger fumes | 12:27 | |
| wolfger | OK, I know Natty is Alpha... I know I should expect problems... But this is ridiculous. Worst alpha ever. | 12:28 |
| wolfger | ...and Launchpad has no such "alpha" excuse for sucking. | 12:28 |
| wolfger | <end of rant> | 12:28 |
| wolfger | at least I managed to do something semi-useful. Confirmed the bug and changed it to the appropriate package. | 12:31 |
| tjagoda | I never know what package to put my bugs on | 12:31 |
| tjagoda | so I never file new ones =( | 12:31 |
| wolfger | That's a lame reason to not file bugs. | 12:33 |
| wolfger | Not that there aren't some good reasons.... that just isn't one of them. | 12:33 |
| * wolfger raps tjagoda's knuckles with a ruler | 12:34 | |
| tjagoda | I do not know how to best determine what the source problem package is | 12:42 |
| tjagoda | Figured not filling is better than wasting somebody's time in the totally wrong package | 12:42 |
| wolfger | That's what the job of triaging exists for. | 12:43 |
| wolfger | Let people who know and care more decide where to stick it. | 12:43 |
| wolfger | wait, that sounded wrong... | 12:43 |
| tjagoda | Wolfger's always telling me where to stick it. =P | 12:47 |
| greg-g | g'morn | 13:04 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 13:05 |
| wolfger | morning | 13:05 |
| brousch | ug, touched vista running on an acer craptop this morning | 13:05 |
| brousch | i feel dirty and cheap | 13:05 |
| jrwren | good morning :) | 13:06 |
| wolfger | brousch: you are dirty and cheap | 13:06 |
| jrwren | greg-g: I'll ask about Apr2nd SRT UGBJ today. | 13:06 |
| greg-g | jrwren: awesome, but it's April3rd ;) | 13:07 |
| greg-g | jrwren: thanks man | 13:07 |
| jrwren | oh, ok, saturday? | 13:07 |
| greg-g | jrwren: Sunday | 13:07 |
| jrwren | Sunday. | 13:07 |
| jrwren | ok. | 13:07 |
| greg-g | yeah | 13:07 |
| wolfger | somebody needs coffee | 13:09 |
| wolfger | and/or a calendar :-) | 13:09 |
| greg-g | oooo, we're now logged, btw | 13:10 |
| jrwren | i could scrollback and point out where greg-g said apr 2nd :p | 13:10 |
| jrwren | but that was days ago :p | 13:10 |
| greg-g | :) | 13:10 |
| jrwren | but yes, no coffee yet. | 13:10 |
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| wolfger | jrwren: Even if he said the 2nd (and I'm not doubting you) that doesn't excuse you from thinking the 3rd was a Saturday. :-) | 13:11 |
| greg-g | just so everyone knows: | 13:12 |
| greg-g | --------------------------- | 13:12 |
| jrwren | of course it does. | 13:12 |
| tjagoda | I feel intimidated by the size of our channel /topic | 13:12 |
| greg-g | THIS CHANNEL IS NOW LOGGED | 13:12 |
| jrwren | *gasp* | 13:12 |
| greg-g | :) | 13:12 |
| tjagoda | So | 13:12 |
| wolfger | greg-g: Logged? Oh noes! We're going to lose all our tinfoil hat participants. | 13:12 |
| jrwren | logged like my turds into the toilet? | 13:12 |
| tjagoda | Whose going to start flooding "porn porn porn" now that we're logged? | 13:12 |
| tjagoda | =p | 13:12 |
| greg-g | wolfger: that was the plan | 13:12 |
| greg-g | jrwren: yes | 13:12 |
| greg-g | ;) | 13:12 |
| greg-g | actually, I got around to doing it because of the built in IRC meeting log feature in the LoCo Directroy | 13:13 |
| wolfger | So all my ranting about Natty being crap and Launchpad being more crap is now preserved and searchable? Excellent! | 13:13 |
| greg-g | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/39/detail/ see the meeting logs link (that one doesn't work, since we weren't logged yet, it is just auto generated) | 13:13 |
| tjagoda | just what I needed | 13:13 |
| tjagoda | More Ubuntu-related google noise when I search my name | 13:14 |
| tjagoda | =P | 13:14 |
| greg-g | wolfger: yep, in fact that was the first real content it logged :) | 13:14 |
| wolfger | Woohoo! | 13:15 |
| wolfger | Kickin' it off right. | 13:15 |
| tjagoda | Pidgin sucks so much sometimes | 13:17 |
| tjagoda | It is occasionally very hard to me an open source enthusiast. =P | 13:17 |
| wolfger | rick_h_: Watched your rant last night.... Why video? I mean, if all we're going to see is you talking into a mic, that seems rather lame. Now if you use the whiteboard, or demonstrate something, that'd be sweet. | 13:18 |
| tjagoda | Sent an offline message which it converted into a buddy pounce and then proceeded to send the pounce IM /every time/ the buddy logged on for about 7 days | 13:18 |
| rick_h_ | wolfger: because I can do it live | 13:18 |
| rick_h_ | and take questions/comments | 13:18 |
| wolfger | tjagoda: Pidgin sucks less than Empathy, or whatever the default is on Natty | 13:18 |
| rick_h_ | and because I think I'm the hotness you all want to see | 13:19 |
| ColonelPanic001 | wolfger: shush, I like to stare at rick_h_ | 13:19 |
| rick_h_ | wolfger: the idea is to test the waters with lococast stuff getting more interactive | 13:19 |
| wolfger | Sorry, ColonelPanic001, I did not mean to deprive you of your... "material" | 13:19 |
| ColonelPanic001 | apology accepted. | 13:19 |
| wolfger | rick_h_: can't be interactive with just audio? | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | wolfger: meh, I think video is more interactive | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | besides, the audio is still there, put out in podcast form | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | you don't have to watch it | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 13:20 |
| rick_h_ | you even get the cool intro music if you listen to the podcast form | 13:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | having both is good - I can listen to a podcast at work, not so much a video | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | right | 13:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | need to catch up on lococast. | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | it's experimental stuff | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | ColonelPanic001: definitely, our last couple of months have been our best stuff | 13:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | this lady in the cube across from me never shuts up on the damn phone, so I've got plenty of time. | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | gag | 13:21 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 13:21 |
| wolfger | Ugh. Doesn't linux-mag.com have editors? I hate seeing poor spelling/grammar get published. | 13:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | tried that, said something about assault. | 13:22 |
| jrwren | the sad part about pidgin sucking is that it is still better than everything else out there. | 13:22 |
| jrwren | I think it was linux-mag that asked me for an article and then did nothing with it. | 13:23 |
| jrwren | and they are light on editors. | 13:23 |
| jrwren | they let the author keep copyright, which is rare for magazines. | 13:23 |
| wolfger | jrwren: Tried Kopete? | 13:23 |
| brousch | pidgin is awesome | 13:23 |
| wolfger | it's about on par with Pidgin... does some things better, some things worse | 13:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I use Kopete at home | 13:24 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Pidgin at work, centerim at work | 13:24 |
| jrwren | lol @ kopete. not in 8 or so years. | 13:24 |
| jrwren | kopete win32? | 13:24 |
| ColonelPanic001 | LOLpete | 13:24 |
| ColonelPanic001 | no, it's for decent OSs. | 13:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | :P | 13:25 |
| wolfger | jrwren: Letting the author keep copyright is rare? Since when? | 13:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | actually might. No idea how easily though | 13:25 |
| wolfger | It wasn't rare way back when I thought I was a writer. | 13:25 |
| jrwren | wolfger: forever in publishing. | 13:25 |
| ColonelPanic001 | IIRC, KDE 4 stuff is all windows compatible, has a windows version, etc | 13:25 |
| jrwren | wolfger: for magazines and books typically even if you retain (C) you ahve given up a lot of rights that go with it. | 13:25 |
| jrwren | e.g. can't go print the book yourself and sell it. | 13:26 |
| tjagoda | linux-mag < linux journal | 13:26 |
| jrwren | e.g. can't publish the magazine article on a blog. | 13:26 |
| jrwren | at least not without permission of the publisher | 13:26 |
| tjagoda | Happy American Tuesday | 13:26 |
| tjagoda | erh | 13:27 |
| tjagoda | I mean | 13:27 |
| tjagoda | Fat Tuesday | 13:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | jrwren: http://www.simplehelp.net/2008/06/30/how-to-install-and-run-kde-programs-in-windows/ | 13:27 |
| ColonelPanic001 | with the disclaimer that I think I tried it once, half-assed, years ago, and don't even remember if it worked. So, I really have no idea. | 13:27 |
| wolfger | jrwren: used to be just First North American rights, and you retained the right to republish. | 13:27 |
| wolfger | not that anybody was typically buying anything *but* first rights, so second rights were kinda worthless | 13:27 |
| wolfger | unless you republish yourself | 13:27 |
| jrwren | oh yeah, fat tuesday... damn, I wish I lived in Detroit instead of AA | 13:29 |
| jrwren | the hamtramick influence was so much more in the tricounty detroit area | 13:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | you can have mine | 13:30 |
| tjagoda | ColonelPanic wants to /live/ | 13:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | somtimes. | 13:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | lately I've been having to screw around with the iphone simulator on a mac, so not always | 13:31 |
| tjagoda | Ewh | 13:37 |
| tjagoda | Open Source ColonelPanic sells his soul to Apple to pay the rent | 13:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | that's my news headline :\ | 13:38 |
| jrwren | greg-g: i was chatting with you before actually seeing your email. now I see your email ! | 13:40 |
| ColonelPanic001 | everyone see this yet?: http://weatherspark.com/#app;a=USA/MI/Detroit | 13:46 |
| rick_h_ | heh, fancy | 13:47 |
| tjagoda | wow | 13:49 |
| snap-l | brousch: Nice. | 14:09 |
| snap-l | And ithas radar as well. Wonder if it updates automagically. | 14:10 |
| tjagoda | snap-l has an inner meteorologist. | 14:13 |
| snap-l | I have the Baker weather service in the house | 14:13 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 14:17 |
| wolfger | Woot. The bug my bug got marked as a dupe of just went public, and I was auto-notified of that fact. A point of redemption for Launchpad. | 14:41 |
| snap-l | Don't worry, it'll expire in due time. ;) | 14:41 |
| wolfger | It's been marked as critical, so I think this one might actually get fixed. | 14:43 |
| tjagoda | I have never been involved in a bug which was actually fixed =( | 14:44 |
| wolfger | ROFL | 14:44 |
| wolfger | just got a a message over Office Communicator, "r u at yur desk"... then he corrected "your". | 14:45 |
| wolfger | tjagoda: might help if you actually filed bugs :-p | 14:45 |
| snap-l | wolfger: u r 2 cool 4 wrds | 14:46 |
| tjagoda | Why is it so damn difficult to get curling coverage on broadcast TV in this country?! | 14:57 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Which country? | 14:57 |
| snap-l | The one that considers it a sport, or the one that thinks it's ice shuffleboard | 14:58 |
| tjagoda | Shuffleboard | 14:58 |
| greg-g | jrwren: :) | 14:59 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I think you have your answer. | 14:59 |
| tjagoda | Curse this country, and it's poor taste in sports. =P | 15:04 |
| wolfger | tjagoda: It's not hard at all. Just turn to CBC. | 15:05 |
| snap-l | Considering most of the country shits their collective pants when they see snow, I think a sport that is played on ice might have them go into shock. | 15:05 |
| wolfger | We get that channel here. | 15:06 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: that is pretty awesome, just what I need, more geekiness just to check if it is raining outside or not :) | 15:06 |
| greg-g | I love it | 15:06 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: dangit, aside from the flash, that is ;) | 15:07 |
| snap-l | I still lik wunderground. ;) | 15:10 |
| brousch | i still like the window | 15:11 |
| brousch | actually i use weatherbug on android more than anything else | 15:13 |
| tjagoda | wolfger: CBC is not providing coverage this year | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | CTV holds an exlcusive broadcast license, so its on TSN Canada | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | exclusive* | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | Comcast does not sell TSN Canada, only the useless TSN America =( | 15:23 |
| tjagoda | I need to form a Canadian holding corporation so I have have a rogers subscription and then stream the channels back into the states. | 15:23 |
| wolfger | tjagoda..... so what you are telling me is that you are blaming the United States for CBC's failure to cover curling? | 15:24 |
| tjagoda | I'm blaming the united states for my inability to purchase Canadian broadcast channels? | 15:24 |
| brousch | can't you watch it over the tubes? | 15:25 |
| wolfger | Just go to your local torrent site and download the matches. I'm sure they'll have hundreds of seeders.... | 15:25 |
| wolfger | BWAHAHAHAHAHA | 15:25 |
| tjagoda | Nein, no over the tubes | 15:27 |
| tjagoda | only CBC over air | 15:27 |
| tjagoda | CBC does not hold the exclusive broadcast license | 15:27 |
| tjagoda | CTV does | 15:27 |
| * wolfger senses an impending terrorist attack on CTV headquarters | 15:28 | |
| tjagoda | trolololol | 15:28 |
| tjagoda | Please disregard that FBI googlebot whom is now searching our IRC logs | 15:28 |
| wolfger | crap... we're logging now. I should probably stop using words such as "terrorist attack" | 15:28 |
| tjagoda | greg-g, WHY ARE WE LOGGED | 15:28 |
| tjagoda | THE INTERNET CANNOT HANDLE US IN PERPETUITY | 15:29 |
| wolfger | ah, well, it's tjagoda that will get investigated for it, not me. :-) | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | I'll just have to make #ubuntu-us-mi-terrorist | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | That won't be logged or arouse suspicion | 15:29 |
| wolfger | ./join #ubuntu-us-mi-not-a-terrorist | 15:30 |
| * tjagoda does | 15:30 | |
| brousch | deport him | 15:30 |
| Blazeix | we need a bot with emacs spook functionality. To overwhelm the FBI trackers with noise. | 15:31 |
| tjagoda | brousch: To canada, plz | 15:31 |
| * wolfger wonders why tjagoda is in a Michigan channel, pretending to be Canadian, when he's using a California server... | 15:32 | |
| tjagoda | I feel as if I have been victimized by a subtle greg-g plot to censor the inappropriate comments from our channel | 15:32 |
| wolfger | suspicious terrorist activity if you ask me | 15:32 |
| tjagoda | Freenode round-robins me, I swear =( | 15:32 |
| wolfger | Ha! I foil that greg-g plot by not caring about my inappropriate comments being logged! | 15:32 |
| tjagoda | Ingenious | 15:33 |
| greg-g | I can never win | 16:05 |
| wolfger | why do you even try? | 16:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | weatherunderground is neat because I happen to know the guy with the closest weather station | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2011/03/warner-bros-taking-movie-rentals-to-its-facebook-pages.ars | 16:40 |
| rick_h_ | son of a *#@$*$#@ | 16:40 |
| brousch | facebook _is_ the web | 16:41 |
| brousch | http://dvice.com/archives/2011/03/snak-is-a-keybo.php | 16:43 |
| rick_h_ | shoot me now | 16:43 |
| wolfger | LOL | 16:44 |
| wolfger | I take it rick_h_ was in denial about FB? | 16:45 |
| snap-l | I hope they get all the success they deserve with this move. | 16:46 |
| rick_h_ | I can see it now | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | "30 day rental window only for FB users | 16:47 |
| wolfger | I'm sure it will be worth every penny it costs them and more | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | ipad specific content, social network specific content, ugh | 16:48 |
| wolfger | I've already been watching streaming content on FB. The UFC has begun streaming free preliminary fights on FB, prior to the (later) preliminary fights on broadcast TV, prior to the pay-per-view | 16:48 |
| wolfger | Super sucky thing about that is, it's in Silverlight :-p | 16:48 |
| wolfger | so i can only watch on the Win7 box | 16:48 |
| wolfger | Moonlight won't play it | 16:49 |
| rick_h_ | man, it just gets better | 16:49 |
| wolfger | But that's a UFC thing, not necessarily a FB thing. They love Silverlight for some reason. | 16:50 |
| wolfger | It's all over their home page | 16:50 |
| greg-g | *puke* | 16:50 |
| Blazeix | has anyone tried playon.tv? I've been looking at buying that for a solution to netflix silverlight stuff. | 16:50 |
| Blazeix | it requires a windows pc, but that pc can be stashed in a corner, and stream to a linux box. | 16:50 |
| snap-l | Frankly, the amount of trouble that these folks are making for Linux users ensures I'll be buying DVDs for a long while. | 16:52 |
| snap-l | or streaming on non-linux devices (ie: Netflix w/ Wii) | 16:53 |
| jrwren | yeah. | 17:02 |
| jrwren | even though moonlight does a great job of compat, there is NO DRM!!! | 17:02 |
| snap-l | http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/ | 17:02 |
| jrwren | so if the silverlight video stream is DRM it will never play in moonlight ;( | 17:02 |
| snap-l | an we put the designers to better use than trying to fuck everything in the earhole because it's convenient? | 17:03 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | come on, it's well thuoght out | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | "no one needs this any more since I don't use it" | 17:04 |
| snap-l | It is, but I'm getting a little tired of folks decontenting things that I use and understand | 17:04 |
| jrwren | LOVE it... "we're quitting" | 17:05 |
| jrwren | first OSX, now ubuntu. | 17:05 |
| jrwren | i imagine win8 will follow | 17:05 |
| jrwren | i've wanted this style of desktop apps since 1998 or 99 or whnever I had my handspring visor (palm) | 17:05 |
| snap-l | jrwren: The way we're going, you're about to get the Palm OS on your desktop. | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | "multi-task? That's so 2000's" | 17:09 |
| rick_h_ | no one needs more than a browser open anyway :P | 17:09 |
| Blazeix | to be fair, I can't remember the last time I chose 'quit' from a menu. | 17:10 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: CTRL-Q counts | 17:10 |
| Blazeix | as long as it goes away gracefully when my window manager tells it to, I don't really care. | 17:10 |
| brousch | cmd-q | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | well, ctrl-q | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | that's just activating the quit | 17:11 |
| Blazeix | I don't think I even new that was a valid key combo | 17:11 |
| Blazeix | s/new/knew/ | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | so if they remove the option the keyboard shortcut doesn't mean much | 17:11 |
| brousch | i actually use quit in X11 programs in osx because they don't play well | 17:11 |
| snap-l | I wouldn't be nearly as upset with this if it wasn't presented so smugly | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | oh man, I use that 100s of times a day | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | it's how I close things, ctrl-d for termanals and ctrl-q for everything else | 17:11 |
| snap-l | ie: This is what we think is best for you, after careful consideration. | 17:12 |
| brousch | if you want to beat Apple you must become Apple | 17:12 |
| Blazeix | hm, I think awesome uses super+shift+c to kill programs | 17:12 |
| Blazeix | I don't think that maps to "quit" | 17:12 |
| Blazeix | that's what I use daily | 17:12 |
| snap-l | http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/#comment-14180 <- I am going to blow a fucking gasket | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: yea, I use that for apps that don't have a quit menu item | 17:13 |
| rick_h_ | it's more of a "kill" | 17:13 |
| snap-l | http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/#comment-14243 | 17:15 |
| snap-l | NERD RAGE!!!! | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | ruh roh | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | at least it's not me this time lol | 17:16 |
| Blazeix | this is coming with unity, right? I imagine the people that this really bugs won't be using unity. | 17:18 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: I'll give Unity a fair shake | 17:18 |
| Blazeix | sure, though unless I see drastic improvements in unity I suspect you'll end up on stock gnome or something. | 17:18 |
| snap-l | but I'm wondering if it's time to distro-hop | 17:18 |
| snap-l | I mean away from GNOME as well | 17:19 |
| Blazeix | *cough* tiling wm *cough* | 17:19 |
| snap-l | Use something that is Ubuntu-based that isn't GNOME-based | 17:19 |
| snap-l | and God forbid isn't some space-cadet window manager | 17:19 |
| Blazeix | I used to run xubuntu back in the day, that was pretty nice. | 17:20 |
| Blazeix | they had xfce configured in a very gnome-like way. | 17:20 |
| brousch | Xubuntu | 17:20 |
| brousch | i like it | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | the thing is that this quit business is something that apps will ahve to adopt right? | 17:20 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, the idea is to remove it from the file menu, that's per app on that not just a WM change | 17:21 |
| Blazeix | well, if they use the dbus-based global menu they might be able to filter it out. | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | gotcha | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: come to the dark side | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | it's not as "space cadet" as you think :) | 17:21 |
| rick_h_ | and you can use a mouse to do things | 17:22 |
| rick_h_ | hmmm, well maybe not resize. I only know how to do that by the keyboard | 17:22 |
| Blazeix | you could try out bluetile. That's gnomey. | 17:22 |
| Blazeix | http://www.bluetile.org/ | 17:22 |
| snap-l | Fuck, someone watched a damn Lisa video and now we're getting a fucking Lisa for Christmas. | 17:24 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: +1 ctrl-w and ctrl-q 100s of times a day | 17:24 |
| snap-l | Not that I wouldn't mind it, but c'mon. | 17:24 |
| rick_h_ | Lisa? | 17:25 |
| jrwren | snap-l: because mpt and Chauncellor just don't get it? | 17:25 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rLpYeahN4 | 17:26 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ^^ | 17:26 |
| jrwren | it would be interesting if the launcher were also the app monitor | 17:26 |
| snap-l | I think this guy was the Chancellor in Space 1999 | 17:26 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It would be great if all of these programs worked consistently together | 17:27 |
| jrwren | so unity spawns a process and monitors the child PID for responsiveness and automatically respawns if it if stops responding. | 17:27 |
| jrwren | yes, that would be great. | 17:27 |
| jrwren | ubuntu! lets work together! | 17:27 |
| snap-l | We're still trying like hell to get where we were back in 1985 | 17:27 |
| jrwren | everything old is new again. | 17:27 |
| snap-l | but we're not going to get there by removing shit | 17:27 |
| jrwren | removing quit? | 17:28 |
| jrwren | i'm all for removing quit. | 17:28 |
| jrwren | make ubuntu work like my iphone. | 17:28 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Remind e to give you a wedgie thenext time I see you. | 17:28 |
| jrwren | you'd have to catch me first :p | 17:28 |
| snap-l | I'll make arrangements | 17:29 |
| jrwren | oh, like my iphone but with real multtasking :) | 17:29 |
| snap-l | Next they'll say "Y'know, The Apple Lisa didn't have a browser, so we don't need one either" | 17:30 |
| snap-l | or "We don't need to let you close browser tabs" | 17:30 |
| jrwren | you are such a nay-sayer. | 17:31 |
| jrwren | i'm sure they will have an option to turn quit back on. | 17:31 |
| jrwren | if they don't, that would be dumb. | 17:31 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'm tired of people doing shit because they think it's neccesary | 17:31 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Gee, now would it? :) | 17:31 |
| jrwren | but if it were just a system default to make the computer work as a tool rather than me work for the computer... I think its great. | 17:31 |
| snap-l | when in reality it's not necessary | 17:31 |
| jrwren | what you mean people doing shut cuz they think its necessary? | 17:32 |
| snap-l | I'm seeing a lot of that with GNOME Shell / Unity | 17:32 |
| tjagoda | snap-l is in grumpy anti-change mode | 17:32 |
| tjagoda | =P | 17:32 |
| snap-l | I'm seeing a lot of wheel reinvention | 17:32 |
| tjagoda | enhancement | 17:32 |
| jrwren | its optimization. | 17:32 |
| snap-l | Only we'll use hexagons, because they'll stay put when the wheel stops | 17:32 |
| jrwren | and its optimization that you don't need. | 17:33 |
| jrwren | but I love it. | 17:33 |
| tjagoda | Wheel 2.0, now made out of more modern polymer compounds | 17:33 |
| snap-l | Who needs a smooth ride? That's so 20th century. | 17:33 |
| tjagoda | All I've got to say | 17:34 |
| tjagoda | is that I never saw a quit button on the USS Enterprise | 17:34 |
| tjagoda | so clearly this is the right direction. | 17:34 |
| jrwren | I never saw any real world productivity out of the USS Enterprise computer though :( | 17:35 |
| tjagoda | Star Trek Generations | 17:35 |
| tjagoda | Epic Astrometrics lab manipulation | 17:35 |
| tjagoda | Argument: Invalid | 17:35 |
| tjagoda | =P | 17:35 |
| snap-l | Y'know, I'll bet the computer on the USS Enterprise didn't use Firefox either | 17:37 |
| snap-l | or Eclipse | 17:37 |
| tjagoda | It certainly didn't use Pidgin | 17:38 |
| tjagoda | crappy crappy Pidgin | 17:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | They ran KDE. | 17:39 |
| tjagoda | /slap | 17:49 |
| wolfger | greg-g is burning up the mailing list server this week. | 18:10 |
| rick_h_ | woot! we might be an active loco yet! | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | just in time to mutiny by the sounds of things lol | 18:11 |
| wolfger | Just like the good old days | 18:11 |
| wolfger | mutiny? Arrr! Who be talkin' o' mutiny? | 18:12 |
| brousch | do we have a drupal-based CMS now? | 18:15 |
| brousch | i thought rick_h_ was putting that together | 18:16 |
| greg-g | wait, mutiny? what'd I do?! | 18:16 |
| brousch | spying on our activities via logging | 18:17 |
| wolfger | apparently rick_h_ is unhappy with the way you run things, greg-g | 18:17 |
| brousch | STRING 'IM UP | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | no, higher up than greg-g | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | man, you guys are awful | 18:17 |
| wolfger | hehehehe | 18:17 |
| greg-g | oh, yeah, Ubuntu mutiny :) | 18:17 |
| wolfger | ./join #linuxmintdebianedition-us-mi | 18:20 |
| greg-g | you missed when we had #debian-us-mi | 18:20 |
| wolfger | ./join #gentoo-us-mi | 18:21 |
| greg-g | ew | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 18:22 |
| wolfger | Hmm. This doesn't sound right.... | 18:22 |
| wolfger | As a temporary workaround, you can "apt-get remove gir1.2-unity-3.0" which will stop the crashing. | 18:22 |
| wolfger | What is gir1.2-unity that it's included by default, yet can be removed? | 18:23 |
| wolfger | ...and removing it makes things better? | 18:23 |
| tjagoda | You'll log in to notice unity shell no longer exists | 18:24 |
| tjagoda | =P | 18:24 |
| jrwren | tjagoda: notice how I said "real world productivity" | 18:38 |
| jrwren | i chose my words carefully :) | 18:38 |
| jrwren | startrek used kde with lcars theme | 18:39 |
| tjagoda | Star Wars used KDE | 18:40 |
| wolfger | http://haskell.org/wikiupload/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg | 18:40 |
| tjagoda | Star Trek used Gnome =( | 18:40 |
| tjagoda | Uh | 18:41 |
| tjagoda | wow | 18:41 |
| wolfger | I imagine that's rick_h_'s dream-setup | 18:41 |
| wolfger | triple-head tiling | 18:41 |
| tjagoda | non-widescreen | 18:42 |
| Blazeix | the mouse doesn't have one of those navigation ball things | 18:42 |
| tjagoda | crazy ass keyboard showing his commitment to anti-mouse usage | 18:42 |
| Blazeix | hm, I like the laptops hiding behind the monitors | 18:42 |
| tjagoda | zomg | 18:43 |
| tjagoda | did not event notice | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | that is pretty | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | though the displays are a bit small | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | I'm a 22" man | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | and they need mouting arms | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | but <3 that tiling | 18:43 |
| tjagoda | Tripple 22? | 18:43 |
| tjagoda | triple* | 18:44 |
| tjagoda | You'd have to turn your head too much | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | yea, why I just have dual 22" | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | but what I do is run one center | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | and the other to the side | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | but that's only for things like irc/communication stuff | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | maybe a reloading build server window | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | you mainly work on the front/center one | 18:44 |
| tjagoda | Unless you want to play flight sim in immersion mode | 18:44 |
| tjagoda | you should not have n > 2 22" | 18:44 |
| rick_h_ | with tiling WM you can flip/swap windows so fast you don't need them side v side all the time | 18:44 |
| tjagoda | Same thing I do with my dual 22's | 18:45 |
| tjagoda | the second monitor often gets neglected for anything other than slacking off | 18:45 |
| rick_h_ | heh, I'm missing mine horribly right now | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | so definitely not my issue there | 18:46 |
| rick_h_ | especially when you get them on arms and can set them up right | 18:46 |
| snap-l | http://decafbad.net/2011/03/08/open-metalcast-podcasting-live-tonight/ | 18:50 |
| tjagoda | Anybody want to buy a 22" samsung LCD? | 18:51 |
| tjagoda | I want to change monitor sizes. | 18:51 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I'll give you $1,000,000 in internet money for it | 18:51 |
| brousch | USD$5 | 18:51 |
| thurston | wth is internet money? | 18:52 |
| tjagoda | It's still a fairly new monitor you bastards | 18:52 |
| tjagoda | http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-22-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B00170VXC6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1299610344&sr=8-3 | 18:52 |
| tjagoda | I also have a 2232BW Plus | 18:52 |
| wolfger | Is it possible to change stdout to a program (i.e. auto-pipe all cli output to "more")? | 18:53 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I'll insult you with my offer, so I'll hold it to myself. | 18:53 |
| tjagoda | It is so hard to find reasonable people these days =P | 18:53 |
| wolfger | tjagoda: I'm just going to make a VGA-to-RGB cable and use my TV as a monitor :-p | 18:54 |
| greg-g | internet money? like bitcoin? | 18:54 |
| snap-l | Internet Money is currently worth about $.000,000,000,000,000,000,001, so get out there and make some Internet cash! | 18:54 |
| brousch | snap-l: i assume you'll be screencasting your live performance tonight | 18:56 |
| wolfger | ??? | 18:58 |
| wolfger | live performance? | 18:58 |
| snap-l | brousch: Nope. Live performance | 18:59 |
| snap-l | if the audience decides to record, I won't stop them | 18:59 |
| brousch | boo | 19:00 |
| snap-l | brousch: There's still time to head on out. ;) | 19:01 |
| brousch | not even recordmydesktop? | 19:01 |
| snap-l | Heck, it's only a three hour drive from West MI | 19:01 |
| snap-l | Nope. | 19:01 |
| snap-l | Because I suck, and am a bastard. | 19:01 |
| brousch | i am putting an interweb hex on your presentation. you are doomed. | 19:01 |
| snap-l | brousch: I'm using Linux audio. I'm already getting into sacrificing chickens | 19:02 |
| snap-l | You don't scare me | 19:02 |
| brousch | i made a voodoo doll of your hard disk and am stepping on it repeatedly | 19:02 |
| gamerchick02 | sacrificing chickens? i didn't know i had to do that to use linux... | 19:03 |
| gamerchick02 | might put some people off at an Ubuntu Hour. | 19:03 |
| brousch | gamerchick02: just if you want to record audio | 19:03 |
| gamerchick02 | oh. ok. :) | 19:03 |
| gamerchick02 | note to self: don't mention recording audio at Ubuntu Hour. | 19:03 |
| snap-l | brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/gkK/ | 19:09 |
| snap-l | Worst part of that image is trying to match the damn font. ;) | 19:10 |
| gamerchick02 | that's great lulz | 19:10 |
| gamerchick02 | thank you. :) | 19:10 |
| jrwren | is there a FF plugin that lets me just start typing HTML and it renders it? | 19:12 |
| jrwren | I want to skip the "create a blank file and open it " steps | 19:12 |
| Blazeix | you can do that with firebug | 19:12 |
| jrwren | yeah? | 19:12 |
| rick_h_ | yea, load up new tab and hit firebug | 19:13 |
| Blazeix | yeah, you can put the html tab in text mode | 19:13 |
| jrwren | how? | 19:13 |
| jrwren | OH! edit button right there. | 19:13 |
| jrwren | TY | 19:13 |
| Blazeix | yeah, you don't get nice autoindenting or anything, but it's good for banging out some quick html | 19:14 |
| jrwren | is there a way to ask firebug/firefox to rerun JS from beginning without a page reload? | 19:22 |
| tjagoda | Not that I know of in firefox | 19:22 |
| tjagoda | don't know about bug | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: not yet, it's a dev feature in the next release I think | 19:24 |
| Blazeix | hm, you might be able to find the entry point and call it in the console | 19:24 |
| Blazeix | though I imagine that will mess the page up if the js has side effects. | 19:25 |
| Blazeix | rick_h_: cool. so do they revert all dom changes the js makes? | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: not sure, let me see if I can find the link. Just saw something on it the other day | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: http://twitter.com/#!/segphault/status/45212170329407488 the end is near | 20:01 |
| gamerchick02 | what? that's a load a bullshit. i'm sure he's not following the right people. | 20:09 |
| gamerchick02 | by my (limited) observation, i get more engagement with status.net than i ever do with twitter. | 20:10 |
| snap-l | I think it's because of the dogpile that floss celebrities get over there. | 20:16 |
| snap-l | segphault: RT @directhex: @segphault identi.ca is like Twitter, but it's exclusively used for people to congratulate each other for using identi.ca |03:09 PM Mar 08, 2011 | 20:16 |
| snap-l | I just wait patiently for Twitter to do something stupid and watch as people scramble | 20:17 |
| snap-l | That and if you follow bkuhn, fontana, or fabsh, it's like a fucking echo chamber | 20:18 |
| gamerchick02 | i just responded to that too. | 20:21 |
| gamerchick02 | well, i follow fabsh, but i don't always believe everything he sasy | 20:21 |
| gamerchick02 | says, even | 20:21 |
| Blazeix | I prefer to read that as "he sassy" | 20:22 |
| gamerchick02 | lol | 20:22 |
| * brousch kisses snap-l on the head. omc #9, tehomoth. fuckyeah | 20:25 | |
| gamerchick02 | snap-l, i agree that it can be an echo chamber. and sometimes i don't think "other" opinions are welcome | 20:26 |
| gamerchick02 | i see a lot of ubuntu hate from fabsh. i actually blocked markshuttlecock because i was sick of the "satire" coming from his maw, i mean keyboard. | 20:26 |
| snap-l | brousch: You like? :) | 20:35 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Sheesh, that opencore thread is out of control. :) | 20:39 |
| snap-l | http://identi.ca/conversation/65683872#notice-66472621 <- Speaking of the demons. | 20:40 |
| gamerchick02 | but if he's rage-quitted identi.ca, he won't see those replies. | 20:42 |
| gamerchick02 | hence why i sent the note to him on twitter. ;) | 20:42 |
| snap-l | Me too | 20:42 |
| snap-l | I have my speakers ready to go tonight, so I'm listening to my Squeezebox on my desk | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | go snap-l | 20:45 |
| snap-l | Of course that makes me wonder what lies in store for gwibber | 20:46 |
| rick_h_ | meh, as long as the api sticks around | 20:46 |
| snap-l | although not sure if Ryan is still working on that as much | 20:46 |
| rick_h_ | it's used for more than twitter/identica | 20:46 |
| gamerchick02 | i surely hope he doesn't kill status.net support for it. if he does, i'll rage-quit gwibber and use their (admittedly shit) program you can get off the sn website. | 20:47 |
| gamerchick02 | i don't think he is as much, it's kind of off his hands so to speak | 20:48 |
| gamerchick02 | https://twitter.com/#!/householdhacker and why the everloving hell do people use fucking animated avatars on twitter? makes my eyes hurt and makes gwibber go NUTS. *RAGE* | 20:48 |
| snap-l | That one is especially annoying | 20:49 |
| snap-l | But hey, if it supports it... ;) | 20:49 |
| snap-l | Maybe we can turn Twitter into Livejournal after all | 20:49 |
| gamerchick02 | for sure. it just sits and blinks in my gwibber window, and is one of the fastest ways to give me a headache. | 20:49 |
| rick_h_ | sweet, cards are in just in time | 20:51 |
| snap-l | And considering Ms. Data Portability Stormy isn't using identi.ca for her flight, that's pretty damning. | 20:51 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: cards? | 20:51 |
| gamerchick02 | twitter is actually useful. i've had some interesting conversations about movies and such. people on status.net don't seem to be into that sort of stuff. | 20:51 |
| rick_h_ | the business cards I wanted for pycon | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | with contact info, lococast logo | 20:52 |
| rick_h_ | just got the phone call they're in | 20:52 |
| snap-l | gamerchick02: There's a few that are pretty interested in metal, but for the most part a bunch of them are more interested in being up their own ass. | 20:52 |
| gamerchick02 | lol | 20:52 |
| snap-l | And fucking soccer. | 20:52 |
| gamerchick02 | well, i like soccer. | 20:52 |
| gamerchick02 | *shrug* | 20:53 |
| snap-l | I like soccer too. I think it gives the 10yo's out there something to do | 20:53 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL. | 20:53 |
| gamerchick02 | get 'em into a better sport: hockey. you're in Michigan, afterall... they can play hockey from October to June. | 20:53 |
| snap-l | Hell, they can play it year round, practically | 20:54 |
| gamerchick02 | on outside ice from November to March too. | 20:54 |
| gamerchick02 | i mean, you could here, anyway. though it's gotten up to 37F today, but the temp is due to fall quickly tonight. it'll be frigid by the time i get out of Nile. | 20:54 |
| gamerchick02 | gonna be a late-ass night. blargh | 20:55 |
| snap-l | OK, this is pathetic | 20:56 |
| snap-l | 22 posts from identi.ca | 20:56 |
| snap-l | 11 people | 20:56 |
| snap-l | and one of them is the eff | 20:56 |
| snap-l | That spans 30 minutes | 20:56 |
| snap-l | And one of them is our own greg-g, correcting someone on (C) | 20:58 |
| gamerchick02 | hrm. in the public timeline, or yours? | 20:58 |
| greg-g | yes yes, shhhh | 20:58 |
| snap-l | my timeline | 20:58 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 20:58 |
| greg-g | I will keep my "well actually" posts regarding copyright to a minimum | 21:03 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/google-instant-previews-now-on-android-and-ios/2828 | 21:04 |
| gamerchick02 | i don't mind the copyright stuff, really i don't. it's when it's pointed out that someone might be wrong, and then the community jumps all over the person who's pointing things out like they're... i dunno. wrong? | 21:04 |
| rick_h_ | kind of cool android users | 21:04 |
| gamerchick02 | oooh. very | 21:04 |
| gamerchick02 | and i don't mind a lot of politics, though you're bound to offend someone if you post something political. | 21:05 |
| Blazeix | haven't we had the google instant thing for a few weeks, now? I've had the little notification that "Instant (beta) is off" for quite a while. | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: but watch the video | 21:09 |
| rick_h_ | it's different | 21:09 |
| rick_h_ | it's a 'cover flow' for results for mobile | 21:09 |
| rick_h_ | prevents the "follow link, go back, follow next link, go back, next, back, next back" | 21:10 |
| Blazeix | ah, interesting | 21:11 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I'd rather you post to correct these schmoos | 21:12 |
| snap-l | Seems a few folks have to stand up so they can talk without being muffled by the seat cushion | 21:12 |
| greg-g | BAM! InboxZero in my work account! (and my @creativecommons account, but that's normally at 0) | 21:21 |
| gamerchick02 | congrats, greg-g | 21:23 |
| gamerchick02 | i have 2 in my gmail inbox | 21:23 |
| greg-g | you know what helped? mutt-notmuch integration. Search is just so easy now that I don't leave those informational messages in my inbox until the day they're needed (like flight itineraries/etc). GET THAT CRAP OUT OF MY SIGHT | 21:39 |
| gamerchick02 | i use a lot of labels and such in gmail. | 21:46 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Welcome to my world. ;) | 21:47 |
| snap-l | Has it just been me, or is Google really not working right | 22:31 |
| snap-l | google reader, calendar, etc. | 22:32 |
| Blazeix | I don't think I've noticed much. Google docs was a bit slow last night. | 22:33 |
| rick_h_x | hello? | 23:57 |
| rick_h_x | crap, why is freenode not working from my colo? | 23:57 |
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