[12:13] <wolfger> morning
[12:14] <wolfger> How the &@$% do you report a bug on Launchpad? I swear, it's like they don't want new bug reports.
[12:18] <wolfger> then my apport bug gets marked a dupe of a non-public bug, so I can't even subscribe to that bug to track progress or offer input.
[12:18] <wolfger> This is possibly the most assinine system ever.
[12:19] <wolfger> PS: Natty sucks and I can't believe we're going to launch this steaming turd in 50 days.
[12:19]  * wolfger grumbles some more
[12:22] <wolfger> and I had two apport-able bugs this morning, but it seems that Apport got confused and submitted the same bug twice (both bugs happened at once).
[12:23] <rick_h_> lol
[12:23] <rick_h_> wolfger: is off to a great start today
[12:24] <wolfger> OK, finally found the report-a-bug link, buried at the end of a lengthy document about how to use Apport to report a bug (which is worthless to even have, since Apport is pretty much an automated process)
[12:26] <wolfger> augh!!!!!!
[12:27] <wolfger> after all that, the bug I'm trying to report is a dupe (despite it not showing up when I did a search)
[12:27]  * wolfger fumes
[12:28] <wolfger> OK, I know Natty is Alpha... I know I should expect problems... But this is ridiculous. Worst alpha ever.
[12:28] <wolfger> ...and Launchpad has no such "alpha" excuse for sucking.
[12:28] <wolfger> <end of rant>
[12:31] <wolfger> at least I managed to do something semi-useful. Confirmed the bug and changed it to the appropriate package.
[12:31] <tjagoda> I never know what package to put my bugs on
[12:31] <tjagoda> so I never file new ones =(
[12:33] <wolfger> That's a lame reason to not file bugs.
[12:33] <wolfger> Not that there aren't some good reasons.... that just isn't one of them.
[12:34]  * wolfger raps tjagoda's knuckles with a ruler
[12:42] <tjagoda> I do not know how to best determine what the source problem package is
[12:42] <tjagoda> Figured not filling is better than wasting somebody's time in the totally wrong package
[12:43] <wolfger> That's what the job of triaging exists for.
[12:43] <wolfger> Let people who know and care more decide where to stick it.
[12:43] <wolfger> wait, that sounded wrong...
[12:47] <tjagoda> Wolfger's always telling me where to stick it. =P
[13:04] <greg-g> g'morn
[13:05] <rick_h_> morning
[13:05] <wolfger> morning
[13:05] <brousch> ug, touched vista running on an acer craptop this morning
[13:05] <brousch> i feel dirty and cheap
[13:06] <jrwren> good morning :)
[13:06] <wolfger> brousch: you are dirty and cheap
[13:06] <jrwren> greg-g: I'll ask about Apr2nd SRT UGBJ today.
[13:07] <greg-g> jrwren: awesome, but it's April3rd ;)
[13:07] <greg-g> jrwren: thanks man
[13:07] <jrwren> oh, ok, saturday?
[13:07] <greg-g> jrwren: Sunday
[13:07] <jrwren> Sunday.
[13:07] <jrwren> ok.
[13:07] <greg-g> yeah
[13:09] <wolfger> somebody needs coffee
[13:09] <wolfger> and/or a calendar :-)
[13:10] <greg-g> oooo, we're now logged, btw
[13:10] <jrwren> i could scrollback and point out where greg-g said apr 2nd :p
[13:10] <jrwren> but that was days ago :p
[13:10] <greg-g> :)
[13:10] <jrwren> but yes, no coffee yet.
[13:11] <wolfger> jrwren: Even if he said the 2nd (and I'm not doubting you) that doesn't excuse you from thinking the 3rd was a Saturday. :-)
[13:12] <greg-g> just so everyone knows:
[13:12] <greg-g> ---------------------------
[13:12] <jrwren> of course it does.
[13:12] <tjagoda> I feel intimidated by the size of our channel /topic
[13:12] <greg-g> THIS CHANNEL IS NOW LOGGED
[13:12] <jrwren> *gasp*
[13:12] <greg-g> :)
[13:12] <tjagoda> So
[13:12] <wolfger> greg-g: Logged? Oh noes! We're going to lose all our tinfoil hat participants.
[13:12] <jrwren> logged like my turds into the toilet?
[13:12] <tjagoda> Whose going to start flooding "porn porn porn" now that we're logged?
[13:12] <tjagoda> =p
[13:12] <greg-g> wolfger: that was the plan
[13:12] <greg-g> jrwren: yes
[13:12] <greg-g> ;)
[13:13] <greg-g> actually, I got around to doing it because of the built in IRC meeting log feature in the LoCo Directroy
[13:13] <wolfger> So all my ranting about Natty being crap and Launchpad being more crap is now preserved and searchable? Excellent!
[13:13] <greg-g> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/39/detail/ see the meeting logs link (that one doesn't work, since we weren't logged yet, it is just auto generated)
[13:13] <tjagoda> just what I needed
[13:14] <tjagoda> More Ubuntu-related google noise when I search my name
[13:14] <tjagoda> =P
[13:14] <greg-g> wolfger: yep, in fact that was the first real content it logged :)
[13:15] <wolfger> Woohoo!
[13:15] <wolfger> Kickin' it off right.
[13:17] <tjagoda> Pidgin sucks so much sometimes
[13:17] <tjagoda> It is occasionally very hard to me an open source enthusiast. =P
[13:18] <wolfger> rick_h_: Watched your rant last night.... Why video? I mean, if all we're going to see is you talking into a mic, that seems rather lame. Now if you use the whiteboard, or demonstrate something, that'd be sweet.
[13:18] <tjagoda> Sent an offline message which it converted into a buddy pounce and then proceeded to send the pounce IM /every time/ the buddy logged on for about 7 days
[13:18] <rick_h_> wolfger: because I can do it live
[13:18] <rick_h_> and take questions/comments
[13:18] <wolfger> tjagoda: Pidgin sucks less than Empathy, or whatever the default is on Natty
[13:19] <rick_h_> and because I think I'm the hotness you all want to see
[13:19] <ColonelPanic001> wolfger: shush, I like to stare at rick_h_
[13:19] <rick_h_> wolfger: the idea is to test the waters with lococast stuff getting more interactive
[13:19] <wolfger> Sorry, ColonelPanic001, I did not mean to deprive you of your... "material"
[13:19] <ColonelPanic001> apology accepted.
[13:20] <wolfger> rick_h_: can't be interactive with just audio?
[13:20] <rick_h_> wolfger: meh, I think video is more interactive
[13:20] <rick_h_> besides, the audio is still there, put out in podcast form
[13:20] <rick_h_> you don't have to watch it
[13:20] <rick_h_> :)
[13:21] <rick_h_> you even get the cool intro music if you listen to the podcast form
[13:21] <ColonelPanic001> having both is good - I can listen to a podcast at work, not so much a video
[13:21] <rick_h_> right
[13:21] <ColonelPanic001> need to catch up on lococast.
[13:21] <rick_h_> it's experimental stuff
[13:21] <rick_h_> ColonelPanic001: definitely, our last couple of months have been our best stuff
[13:21] <ColonelPanic001> this lady in the cube across from me never shuts up on the damn phone, so I've got plenty of time.
[13:21] <rick_h_> gag
[13:21] <rick_h_> hah
[13:21] <wolfger> Ugh. Doesn't linux-mag.com have editors? I hate seeing poor spelling/grammar get published.
[13:22] <ColonelPanic001> tried that, said something about assault.
[13:22] <jrwren> the sad part about pidgin sucking is that it is still better than everything else out there.
[13:23] <jrwren> I think it was linux-mag that asked me for an article and then did nothing with it.
[13:23] <jrwren> and they are light on editors.
[13:23] <jrwren> they let the author keep copyright, which is rare for magazines.
[13:23] <wolfger> jrwren: Tried Kopete?
[13:23] <brousch> pidgin is awesome
[13:23] <wolfger> it's about on par with Pidgin... does some things better, some things worse
[13:24] <ColonelPanic001> I use Kopete at home
[13:24] <ColonelPanic001> Pidgin at work, centerim at work
[13:24] <jrwren> lol @ kopete.  not in 8 or so years.
[13:24] <jrwren> kopete win32?
[13:24] <ColonelPanic001> LOLpete
[13:25] <ColonelPanic001> no, it's for decent OSs.
[13:25] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[13:25] <wolfger> jrwren: Letting the author keep copyright is rare? Since when?
[13:25] <ColonelPanic001> actually might. No idea how easily though
[13:25] <wolfger> It wasn't rare way back when I thought I was a writer.
[13:25] <jrwren> wolfger: forever in publishing.
[13:25] <ColonelPanic001> IIRC, KDE 4 stuff is all windows compatible, has a windows version, etc
[13:25] <jrwren> wolfger: for magazines and books typically even if you retain (C) you ahve given up a lot of rights that go with it.
[13:26] <jrwren> e.g. can't go print the book yourself and sell it.
[13:26] <tjagoda> linux-mag < linux journal
[13:26] <jrwren> e.g. can't publish the magazine article on a blog.
[13:26] <jrwren> at least not without permission of the publisher
[13:26] <tjagoda> Happy American Tuesday
[13:27] <tjagoda> erh
[13:27] <tjagoda> I mean
[13:27] <tjagoda> Fat Tuesday
[13:27] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: http://www.simplehelp.net/2008/06/30/how-to-install-and-run-kde-programs-in-windows/
[13:27] <ColonelPanic001> with the disclaimer that I think I tried it once, half-assed, years ago, and don't even remember if it worked. So, I really have no idea.
[13:27] <wolfger> jrwren: used to be just First North American rights, and you retained the right to republish.
[13:27] <wolfger> not that anybody was typically buying anything *but* first rights, so second rights were kinda worthless
[13:27] <wolfger> unless you republish yourself
[13:29] <jrwren> oh yeah, fat tuesday... damn, I wish I lived in Detroit instead of AA
[13:29] <jrwren> the hamtramick influence was so much more in the tricounty detroit area
[13:30] <ColonelPanic001> you can have mine
[13:30] <tjagoda> ColonelPanic wants to /live/
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> somtimes.
[13:31] <ColonelPanic001> lately I've been having to screw around with the iphone simulator on a mac, so not always
[13:37] <tjagoda> Ewh
[13:38] <tjagoda> Open Source ColonelPanic sells his soul to Apple to pay the rent
[13:38] <ColonelPanic001> that's my news headline :\
[13:40] <jrwren> greg-g: i was chatting with you before actually seeing your email.  now I see your email !
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> everyone see this yet?: http://weatherspark.com/#app;a=USA/MI/Detroit
[13:47] <rick_h_> heh, fancy
[13:49] <tjagoda> wow
[14:09] <snap-l> brousch: Nice.
[14:10] <snap-l> And ithas radar as well. Wonder if it updates automagically.
[14:13] <tjagoda> snap-l has an inner meteorologist.
[14:13] <snap-l> I have the Baker weather service in the house
[14:17] <rick_h_> hah
[14:41] <wolfger> Woot. The bug my bug got marked as a dupe of just went public, and I was auto-notified of that fact. A point of redemption for Launchpad.
[14:41] <snap-l> Don't worry, it'll expire in due time. ;)
[14:43] <wolfger> It's been marked as critical, so I think this one might actually get fixed.
[14:44] <tjagoda> I have never been involved in a bug which was actually fixed =(
[14:44] <wolfger> ROFL
[14:45] <wolfger> just got a a message over Office Communicator, "r u at yur desk"... then he corrected "your".
[14:45] <wolfger> tjagoda: might help if you actually filed bugs :-p
[14:46] <snap-l> wolfger: u r 2 cool 4 wrds
[14:57] <tjagoda> Why is it so damn difficult to get curling coverage on broadcast TV in this country?!
[14:57] <snap-l> tjagoda: Which country?
[14:58] <snap-l> The one that considers it a sport, or the one that thinks it's ice shuffleboard
[14:58] <tjagoda> Shuffleboard
[14:59] <greg-g> jrwren: :)
[14:59] <snap-l> tjagoda: I think you have your answer.
[15:04] <tjagoda> Curse this country, and it's poor taste in sports. =P
[15:05] <wolfger> tjagoda: It's not hard at all. Just turn to CBC.
[15:05] <snap-l> Considering most of the country shits their collective pants when they see snow, I think a sport that is played on ice might have them go into shock.
[15:06] <wolfger> We get that channel here.
[15:06] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: that is pretty awesome, just what I need, more geekiness just to check if it is raining outside or not :)
[15:06] <greg-g> I love it
[15:07] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: dangit, aside from the flash, that is ;)
[15:10] <snap-l> I still lik wunderground. ;)
[15:11] <brousch> i still like the window
[15:13] <brousch> actually i use weatherbug on android more than anything else
[15:22] <tjagoda> wolfger: CBC is not providing coverage this year
[15:22] <tjagoda> CTV holds an exlcusive broadcast license, so its on TSN Canada
[15:22] <tjagoda> exclusive*
[15:23] <tjagoda> Comcast does not sell TSN Canada, only the useless TSN America =(
[15:23] <tjagoda> I need to form a Canadian holding corporation so I have have a rogers subscription and then stream the channels back into the states.
[15:24] <wolfger> tjagoda..... so what you are telling me is that you are blaming the United States for CBC's failure to cover curling?
[15:24] <tjagoda> I'm blaming the united states for my inability to purchase Canadian broadcast channels?
[15:25] <brousch> can't you watch it over the tubes?
[15:25] <wolfger> Just go to your local torrent site and download the matches. I'm sure they'll have hundreds of seeders....
[15:25] <wolfger> BWAHAHAHAHAHA
[15:27] <tjagoda> Nein, no over the tubes
[15:27] <tjagoda> only CBC over air
[15:27] <tjagoda> CBC does not hold the exclusive broadcast license
[15:27] <tjagoda> CTV does
[15:28]  * wolfger senses an impending terrorist attack on CTV headquarters
[15:28] <tjagoda> trolololol
[15:28] <tjagoda> Please disregard that FBI googlebot whom is now searching our IRC logs
[15:28] <wolfger> crap... we're logging now. I should probably stop using words such as "terrorist attack"
[15:28] <tjagoda> greg-g, WHY ARE WE LOGGED
[15:29] <tjagoda> THE INTERNET CANNOT HANDLE US IN PERPETUITY
[15:29] <wolfger> ah, well, it's tjagoda that will get investigated for it, not me. :-)
[15:29] <tjagoda> I'll just have to make #ubuntu-us-mi-terrorist
[15:29] <tjagoda> That won't be logged or arouse suspicion
[15:30] <wolfger> ./join #ubuntu-us-mi-not-a-terrorist
[15:30]  * tjagoda does
[15:30] <brousch> deport him
[15:31] <Blazeix> we need a bot with emacs spook functionality. To overwhelm the FBI trackers with noise.
[15:31] <tjagoda> brousch: To canada, plz
[15:32]  * wolfger wonders why tjagoda is in a Michigan channel, pretending to be Canadian, when he's using a California server...
[15:32] <tjagoda> I feel as if I have been victimized by a subtle greg-g plot to censor the inappropriate comments from our channel
[15:32] <wolfger> suspicious terrorist activity if you ask me
[15:32] <tjagoda> Freenode round-robins me, I swear =(
[15:32] <wolfger> Ha! I foil that greg-g plot by not caring about my inappropriate comments being logged!
[15:33] <tjagoda> Ingenious
[16:05] <greg-g> I can never win
[16:06] <wolfger> why do you even try?
[16:09] <ColonelPanic001> weatherunderground is neat because I happen to know the guy with the closest weather station
[16:40] <rick_h_> http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2011/03/warner-bros-taking-movie-rentals-to-its-facebook-pages.ars
[16:40] <rick_h_> son of a *#@$*$#@
[16:41] <brousch> facebook _is_ the web
[16:43] <brousch> http://dvice.com/archives/2011/03/snak-is-a-keybo.php
[16:43] <rick_h_> shoot me now
[16:44] <wolfger> LOL
[16:45] <wolfger> I take it rick_h_ was in denial about FB?
[16:46] <snap-l> I hope they get all the success they deserve with this move.
[16:47] <rick_h_> I can see it now
[16:47] <rick_h_> "30 day rental window only for FB users
[16:47] <wolfger> I'm sure it will be worth every penny it costs them and more
[16:48] <rick_h_> ipad specific content, social network specific content, ugh
[16:48] <wolfger> I've already been watching streaming content on FB. The UFC has begun streaming free preliminary fights on FB, prior to the (later) preliminary fights on broadcast TV, prior to the pay-per-view
[16:48] <wolfger> Super sucky thing about that is, it's in Silverlight :-p
[16:48] <wolfger> so i can only watch on the Win7 box
[16:49] <wolfger> Moonlight won't play it
[16:49] <rick_h_> man, it just gets better
[16:50] <wolfger> But that's a UFC thing, not necessarily a FB thing. They love Silverlight for some reason.
[16:50] <wolfger> It's all over their home page
[16:50] <greg-g> *puke*
[16:50] <Blazeix> has anyone tried playon.tv? I've been looking at buying that for a solution to netflix silverlight stuff.
[16:50] <Blazeix> it requires a windows pc, but that pc can be stashed in a corner, and stream to a linux box.
[16:52] <snap-l> Frankly, the amount of trouble that these folks are making for Linux users ensures I'll be buying DVDs for a long while.
[16:53] <snap-l> or streaming on non-linux devices (ie: Netflix w/ Wii)
[17:02] <jrwren> yeah.
[17:02] <jrwren> even though moonlight does a great job of compat, there is NO DRM!!!
[17:02] <snap-l> http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/
[17:02] <jrwren> so if the silverlight video stream is DRM it will never play in moonlight ;(
[17:03] <snap-l> an we put the designers to better use than trying to fuck everything in the earhole because it's convenient?
[17:04] <rick_h_> lol
[17:04] <rick_h_> come on, it's well thuoght out
[17:04] <rick_h_> "no one needs this any more since I don't use it"
[17:04] <snap-l> It is, but I'm getting a little tired of folks decontenting things that I use and understand
[17:05] <jrwren> LOVE it... "we're quitting"
[17:05] <jrwren> first OSX, now ubuntu.
[17:05] <jrwren> i imagine win8 will follow
[17:05] <jrwren> i've wanted this style of desktop apps since 1998 or 99 or whnever I had my handspring visor (palm)
[17:07] <snap-l> jrwren: The way we're going, you're about to get the Palm OS on your desktop.
[17:09] <rick_h_> "multi-task? That's so 2000's"
[17:09] <rick_h_> no one needs more than a browser open anyway :P
[17:10] <Blazeix> to be fair, I can't remember the last time I chose 'quit' from a menu.
[17:10] <snap-l> Blazeix: CTRL-Q counts
[17:10] <Blazeix> as long as it goes away gracefully when my window manager tells it to, I don't really care.
[17:10] <brousch> cmd-q
[17:11] <rick_h_> well, ctrl-q
[17:11] <rick_h_> that's just activating the quit
[17:11] <Blazeix> I don't think I even new that was a valid key combo
[17:11] <Blazeix> s/new/knew/
[17:11] <rick_h_> so if they remove the option the keyboard shortcut doesn't mean much
[17:11] <brousch> i actually use quit in X11 programs in osx because they don't play well
[17:11] <snap-l> I wouldn't be nearly as upset with this if it wasn't presented so smugly
[17:11] <rick_h_> oh man, I use that 100s of times a day
[17:11] <rick_h_> it's how I close things, ctrl-d for termanals and ctrl-q for everything else
[17:12] <snap-l> ie: This is what we think is best for you, after careful consideration.
[17:12] <brousch> if you want to beat Apple you must become Apple
[17:12] <Blazeix> hm, I think awesome uses super+shift+c to kill programs
[17:12] <Blazeix> I don't think that maps to "quit"
[17:12] <Blazeix> that's what I use daily
[17:13] <snap-l> http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/#comment-14180 <- I am going to blow a fucking gasket
[17:13] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, I use that for apps that don't have a quit menu item
[17:13] <rick_h_> it's more of a "kill"
[17:15] <snap-l> http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/#comment-14243
[17:16] <snap-l> NERD RAGE!!!!
[17:16] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[17:16] <rick_h_> at least it's not me this time lol
[17:18] <Blazeix> this is coming with unity, right? I imagine the people that this really bugs won't be using unity.
[17:18] <snap-l> Blazeix: I'll give Unity a fair shake
[17:18] <Blazeix> sure, though unless I see drastic improvements in unity I suspect you'll end up on stock gnome or something.
[17:18] <snap-l> but I'm wondering if it's time to distro-hop
[17:19] <snap-l> I mean away from GNOME as well
[17:19] <Blazeix> *cough* tiling wm *cough*
[17:19] <snap-l> Use something that is Ubuntu-based that isn't GNOME-based
[17:19] <snap-l> and God forbid isn't some space-cadet window manager
[17:20] <Blazeix> I used to run xubuntu back in the day, that was pretty nice.
[17:20] <Blazeix> they had xfce configured in a very gnome-like way.
[17:20] <brousch> Xubuntu
[17:20] <brousch> i like it
[17:20] <rick_h_> the thing is that this quit business is something that apps will ahve to adopt right?
[17:21] <rick_h_> I mean, the idea is to remove it from the file menu, that's per app on that not just a WM change
[17:21] <Blazeix> well, if they use the dbus-based global menu they might be able to filter it out.
[17:21] <rick_h_> gotcha
[17:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: come to the dark side
[17:21] <rick_h_> it's not as "space cadet" as you think :)
[17:22] <rick_h_> and you can use a mouse to do things
[17:22] <rick_h_> hmmm, well maybe not resize. I only know how to do that by the keyboard
[17:22] <Blazeix> you could try out bluetile. That's gnomey.
[17:22] <Blazeix> http://www.bluetile.org/
[17:24] <snap-l> Fuck, someone watched a damn Lisa video and now we're getting a fucking Lisa for Christmas.
[17:24] <jrwren> rick_h_: +1 ctrl-w and ctrl-q 100s of times a day
[17:24] <snap-l> Not that I wouldn't mind it, but c'mon.
[17:25] <rick_h_> Lisa?
[17:25] <jrwren> snap-l: because mpt and Chauncellor just don't get it?
[17:26] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rLpYeahN4
[17:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: ^^
[17:26] <jrwren> it would be interesting if the launcher were also the app monitor
[17:26] <snap-l> I think this guy was the Chancellor in Space 1999
[17:27] <snap-l> jrwren: It would be great if all of these programs worked consistently together
[17:27] <jrwren> so unity spawns a process and monitors the child PID for responsiveness and automatically respawns if it if stops responding.
[17:27] <jrwren> yes, that would be great.
[17:27] <jrwren> ubuntu! lets work together!
[17:27] <snap-l> We're still trying like hell to get where we were back in 1985
[17:27] <jrwren> everything old is new again.
[17:27] <snap-l> but we're not going to get there by removing shit
[17:28] <jrwren> removing quit?
[17:28] <jrwren> i'm all for removing quit.
[17:28] <jrwren> make ubuntu work like my iphone.
[17:28] <snap-l> jrwren: Remind e to give you a wedgie thenext time I see you.
[17:28] <jrwren> you'd have to catch me first :p
[17:29] <snap-l> I'll make arrangements
[17:29] <jrwren> oh, like my iphone but with real multtasking :)
[17:30] <snap-l> Next they'll say "Y'know, The Apple Lisa didn't have a browser, so we don't need one either"
[17:30] <snap-l> or "We don't need to let you close browser tabs"
[17:31] <jrwren> you are such a nay-sayer.
[17:31] <jrwren> i'm sure they will have an option to turn quit back on.
[17:31] <jrwren> if they don't, that would be dumb.
[17:31] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm tired of people doing shit because they think it's neccesary
[17:31] <snap-l> jrwren: Gee, now would it? :)
[17:31] <jrwren> but if it were just a system default to make the computer work as a tool rather than me work for the computer... I think its great.
[17:31] <snap-l> when in reality it's not necessary
[17:32] <jrwren> what you mean people doing shut cuz they think its necessary?
[17:32] <snap-l> I'm seeing a lot of that with GNOME Shell / Unity
[17:32] <tjagoda> snap-l is in grumpy anti-change mode
[17:32] <tjagoda> =P
[17:32] <snap-l> I'm seeing a lot of wheel reinvention
[17:32] <tjagoda> enhancement
[17:32] <jrwren> its optimization.
[17:32] <snap-l> Only we'll use hexagons, because they'll stay put when the wheel stops
[17:33] <jrwren> and its optimization that you don't need.
[17:33] <jrwren> but I love it.
[17:33] <tjagoda> Wheel 2.0, now made out of more modern polymer compounds
[17:33] <snap-l> Who needs a smooth ride? That's so 20th century.
[17:34] <tjagoda> All I've got to say
[17:34] <tjagoda> is that I never saw a quit button on the USS Enterprise
[17:34] <tjagoda> so clearly this is the right direction.
[17:35] <jrwren> I never saw any real world productivity out of the USS Enterprise computer though :(
[17:35] <tjagoda> Star Trek Generations
[17:35] <tjagoda> Epic Astrometrics lab manipulation
[17:35] <tjagoda> Argument: Invalid
[17:35] <tjagoda> =P
[17:37] <snap-l> Y'know, I'll bet the computer on the USS Enterprise didn't use Firefox either
[17:37] <snap-l> or Eclipse
[17:38] <tjagoda> It certainly didn't use Pidgin
[17:38] <tjagoda> crappy crappy Pidgin
[17:39] <ColonelPanic001> They ran KDE.
[17:49] <tjagoda>  /slap
[18:10] <wolfger> greg-g is burning up the mailing list server this week.
[18:11] <rick_h_> woot! we might be an active loco yet!
[18:11] <rick_h_> just in time to mutiny by the sounds of things lol
[18:11] <wolfger> Just like the good old days
[18:12] <wolfger> mutiny? Arrr! Who be talkin' o' mutiny?
[18:15] <brousch> do we have a drupal-based CMS now?
[18:16] <brousch> i thought rick_h_ was putting that together
[18:16] <greg-g> wait, mutiny? what'd I do?!
[18:17] <brousch> spying on our activities via logging
[18:17] <wolfger> apparently rick_h_ is unhappy with the way you run things, greg-g
[18:17] <brousch> STRING 'IM UP
[18:17] <rick_h_>  no, higher up than greg-g
[18:17] <rick_h_> man, you guys are awful
[18:17] <wolfger> hehehehe
[18:17] <greg-g> oh, yeah, Ubuntu mutiny :)
[18:20] <wolfger> ./join #linuxmintdebianedition-us-mi
[18:20] <greg-g> you missed when we had #debian-us-mi
[18:21] <wolfger> ./join #gentoo-us-mi
[18:21] <greg-g> ew
[18:22] <rick_h_> heh
[18:22] <wolfger> Hmm. This doesn't sound right....
[18:22] <wolfger> As a temporary workaround, you can "apt-get remove gir1.2-unity-3.0" which will stop the crashing.
[18:23] <wolfger> What is gir1.2-unity that it's included by default, yet can be removed?
[18:23] <wolfger> ...and removing it makes things better?
[18:24] <tjagoda> You'll log in to notice unity shell no longer exists
[18:24] <tjagoda> =P
[18:38] <jrwren> tjagoda: notice how I said "real world productivity"
[18:38] <jrwren> i chose my words carefully :)
[18:39] <jrwren> startrek used kde with lcars theme
[18:40] <tjagoda> Star Wars used KDE
[18:40] <wolfger> http://haskell.org/wikiupload/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg
[18:40] <tjagoda> Star Trek used Gnome =(
[18:41] <tjagoda> Uh
[18:41] <tjagoda> wow
[18:41] <wolfger> I imagine that's rick_h_'s dream-setup
[18:41] <wolfger> triple-head tiling
[18:42] <tjagoda> non-widescreen
[18:42] <Blazeix> the mouse doesn't have one of those navigation ball things
[18:42] <tjagoda> crazy ass keyboard showing his commitment to anti-mouse usage
[18:42] <Blazeix> hm, I like the laptops hiding behind the monitors
[18:43] <tjagoda> zomg
[18:43] <tjagoda> did not event notice
[18:43] <rick_h_> that is pretty
[18:43] <rick_h_> though the displays are a bit small
[18:43] <rick_h_> I'm a 22" man
[18:43] <rick_h_> and they need mouting arms
[18:43] <rick_h_> but <3 that tiling
[18:43] <tjagoda> Tripple 22?
[18:44] <tjagoda> triple*
[18:44] <tjagoda> You'd have to turn your head too much
[18:44] <rick_h_> yea, why I just have dual 22"
[18:44] <rick_h_> but what I do is run one center
[18:44] <rick_h_> and the other to the side
[18:44] <rick_h_> but that's only for things like irc/communication stuff
[18:44] <rick_h_> maybe a reloading build server window
[18:44] <rick_h_> you mainly work on the front/center one
[18:44] <tjagoda> Unless you want to play flight sim in immersion mode
[18:44] <tjagoda> you should not have n > 2 22"
[18:44] <rick_h_> with tiling WM you can flip/swap windows so fast you don't need them side v side all the time
[18:45] <tjagoda> Same thing I do with my dual 22's
[18:45] <tjagoda> the second monitor often gets neglected for anything other than slacking off
[18:46] <rick_h_> heh, I'm missing mine horribly right now
[18:46] <rick_h_> so definitely not my issue there
[18:46] <rick_h_> especially when you get them on arms and can set them up right
[18:50] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/03/08/open-metalcast-podcasting-live-tonight/
[18:51] <tjagoda> Anybody want to buy a 22" samsung LCD?
[18:51] <tjagoda> I want to change monitor sizes.
[18:51] <snap-l> tjagoda: I'll give you $1,000,000 in internet money for it
[18:51] <brousch> USD$5
[18:52] <thurston> wth is internet money?
[18:52] <tjagoda> It's still a fairly new monitor you bastards
[18:52] <tjagoda> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-22-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B00170VXC6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1299610344&sr=8-3
[18:52] <tjagoda> I also have a 2232BW Plus
[18:53] <wolfger> Is it possible to change stdout to a program (i.e. auto-pipe all cli output to "more")?
[18:53] <snap-l> tjagoda: I'll insult you with my offer, so I'll hold it to myself.
[18:53] <tjagoda> It is so hard to find reasonable people these days =P
[18:54] <wolfger> tjagoda: I'm just going to make a VGA-to-RGB cable and use my TV as a monitor :-p
[18:54] <greg-g> internet money? like bitcoin?
[18:54] <snap-l> Internet Money is currently worth about $.000,000,000,000,000,000,001, so get out there and make some Internet cash!
[18:56] <brousch> snap-l: i assume you'll be screencasting your live performance tonight
[18:58] <wolfger> ???
[18:58] <wolfger> live performance?
[18:59] <snap-l> brousch: Nope. Live performance
[18:59] <snap-l> if the audience decides to record, I won't stop them
[19:00] <brousch> boo
[19:01] <snap-l> brousch: There's still time to head on out. ;)
[19:01] <brousch> not even recordmydesktop?
[19:01] <snap-l> Heck, it's only a three hour drive from West MI
[19:01] <snap-l> Nope.
[19:01] <snap-l> Because I suck, and am a bastard.
[19:01] <brousch> i am putting an interweb hex on your presentation. you are doomed.
[19:02] <snap-l> brousch: I'm using Linux audio. I'm already getting into sacrificing chickens
[19:02] <snap-l> You don't scare me
[19:02] <brousch> i made a voodoo doll of your hard disk and am stepping on it repeatedly
[19:03] <gamerchick02> sacrificing chickens? i didn't know i had to do that to use linux...
[19:03] <gamerchick02> might put some people off at an Ubuntu Hour.
[19:03] <brousch> gamerchick02: just if you want to record audio
[19:03] <gamerchick02> oh. ok. :)
[19:03] <gamerchick02> note to self: don't mention recording audio at Ubuntu Hour.
[19:09] <snap-l> brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/gkK/
[19:10] <snap-l> Worst part of that image is trying to match the damn font. ;)
[19:10] <gamerchick02> that's great lulz
[19:10] <gamerchick02> thank you. :)
[19:12] <jrwren> is there a FF plugin that lets me just start typing HTML and it renders it?
[19:12] <jrwren> I want to skip the "create a blank file and open it " steps
[19:12] <Blazeix> you can do that with firebug
[19:12] <jrwren> yeah?
[19:13] <rick_h_> yea, load up new tab and hit firebug
[19:13] <Blazeix> yeah, you can put the html tab in text mode
[19:13] <jrwren> how?
[19:13] <jrwren> OH! edit button right there.
[19:13] <jrwren> TY
[19:14] <Blazeix> yeah, you don't get nice autoindenting or anything, but it's good for banging out some quick html
[19:22] <jrwren> is there a way to ask firebug/firefox to rerun JS from beginning without a page reload?
[19:22] <tjagoda> Not that I know of in firefox
[19:23] <tjagoda> don't know about bug
[19:24] <rick_h_> jrwren: not yet, it's a dev feature in the next release I think
[19:24] <Blazeix> hm, you might be able to find the entry point and call it in the console
[19:25] <Blazeix> though I imagine that will mess the page up if the js has side effects.
[19:25] <Blazeix> rick_h_: cool. so do they revert all dom changes the js makes?
[19:27] <rick_h_> Blazeix: not sure, let me see if I can find the link. Just saw something on it the other day
[20:01] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://twitter.com/#!/segphault/status/45212170329407488 the end is near
[20:09] <gamerchick02> what? that's a load a bullshit. i'm sure he's not following the right people.
[20:10] <gamerchick02> by my (limited) observation, i get more engagement with status.net than i ever do with twitter.
[20:16] <snap-l> I think it's because of the dogpile that floss celebrities get over there.
[20:16] <snap-l> segphault: RT @directhex: @segphault identi.ca is like Twitter, but it's exclusively used for people to             congratulate each other for using identi.ca |03:09 PM Mar 08, 2011
[20:17] <snap-l> I just wait patiently for Twitter to do something stupid and watch as people scramble
[20:18] <snap-l> That and if you follow bkuhn, fontana, or fabsh, it's like a fucking echo chamber
[20:21] <gamerchick02> i just responded to that too.
[20:21] <gamerchick02> well, i follow fabsh, but i don't always believe everything he sasy
[20:21] <gamerchick02> says, even
[20:22] <Blazeix> I prefer to read that as "he sassy"
[20:22] <gamerchick02> lol
[20:25]  * brousch kisses snap-l on the head. omc #9, tehomoth. fuckyeah
[20:26] <gamerchick02> snap-l, i agree that it can be an echo chamber. and sometimes i don't think "other" opinions are welcome
[20:26] <gamerchick02> i see a lot of ubuntu hate from fabsh. i actually blocked markshuttlecock because i was sick of the "satire" coming from his maw, i mean keyboard.
[20:35] <snap-l> brousch: You like? :)
[20:39] <snap-l> greg-g: Sheesh, that opencore thread is out of control. :)
[20:40] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/conversation/65683872#notice-66472621 <- Speaking of the demons.
[20:42] <gamerchick02> but if he's rage-quitted identi.ca, he won't see those replies.
[20:42] <gamerchick02> hence why i sent the note to him on twitter. ;)
[20:42] <snap-l> Me too
[20:44] <snap-l> I have my speakers ready to go tonight, so I'm listening to my Squeezebox on my desk
[20:45] <rick_h_> go snap-l
[20:46] <snap-l> Of course that makes me wonder what lies in store for gwibber
[20:46] <rick_h_> meh, as long as the api sticks around
[20:46] <snap-l> although not sure if Ryan is still working on that as much
[20:46] <rick_h_> it's used for more than twitter/identica
[20:47] <gamerchick02> i surely hope he doesn't kill status.net support for it. if he does, i'll rage-quit gwibber and use their (admittedly shit) program you can get off the sn website.
[20:48] <gamerchick02> i don't think he is as much, it's kind of off his hands so to speak
[20:48] <gamerchick02> https://twitter.com/#!/householdhacker and why the everloving hell do people use fucking animated avatars on twitter? makes my eyes hurt and makes gwibber go NUTS. *RAGE*
[20:49] <snap-l> That one is especially annoying
[20:49] <snap-l> But hey, if it supports it... ;)
[20:49] <snap-l> Maybe we can turn Twitter into Livejournal after all
[20:49] <gamerchick02> for sure. it just sits and blinks in my gwibber window, and is one of the fastest ways to give me a headache.
[20:51] <rick_h_> sweet, cards are in just in time
[20:51] <snap-l> And considering Ms. Data Portability Stormy isn't using identi.ca for her flight, that's pretty damning.
[20:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: cards?
[20:51] <gamerchick02> twitter is actually useful. i've had some interesting conversations about movies and such. people on status.net don't seem to be into that sort of stuff.
[20:52] <rick_h_> the business cards I wanted for pycon
[20:52] <rick_h_> with contact info, lococast logo
[20:52] <rick_h_> just got the phone call they're in
[20:52] <snap-l> gamerchick02: There's a few that are pretty interested in metal, but for the most part a bunch of them are more interested in being up their own ass.
[20:52] <gamerchick02> lol
[20:52] <snap-l> And fucking soccer.
[20:52] <gamerchick02> well, i like soccer.
[20:53] <gamerchick02> *shrug*
[20:53] <snap-l> I like soccer too. I think it gives the 10yo's out there something to do
[20:53] <gamerchick02> LOL.
[20:53] <gamerchick02> get 'em into a better sport: hockey. you're in Michigan, afterall... they can play hockey from October to June.
[20:54] <snap-l> Hell, they can play it year round, practically
[20:54] <gamerchick02> on outside ice from November to March too.
[20:54] <gamerchick02> i mean, you could here, anyway. though it's gotten up to 37F today, but the temp is due to fall quickly tonight. it'll be frigid by the time i get out of Nile.
[20:55] <gamerchick02> gonna be a late-ass night. blargh
[20:56] <snap-l> OK, this is pathetic
[20:56] <snap-l> 22 posts from identi.ca
[20:56] <snap-l> 11 people
[20:56] <snap-l> and one of them is the eff
[20:56] <snap-l> That spans 30 minutes
[20:58] <snap-l> And one of them is our own greg-g, correcting someone on (C)
[20:58] <gamerchick02> hrm. in the public timeline, or yours?
[20:58] <greg-g> yes yes, shhhh
[20:58] <snap-l> my timeline
[20:58] <gamerchick02> ah
[21:03] <greg-g> I will keep my "well actually" posts regarding copyright to a minimum
[21:04] <rick_h_> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/google-instant-previews-now-on-android-and-ios/2828
[21:04] <gamerchick02> i don't mind the copyright stuff, really i don't. it's when it's pointed out that someone might be wrong, and then the community jumps all over the person who's pointing things out like they're... i dunno. wrong?
[21:04] <rick_h_> kind of cool android users
[21:04] <gamerchick02> oooh. very
[21:05] <gamerchick02> and i don't mind a lot of politics, though you're bound to offend someone if you post something political.
[21:06] <Blazeix> haven't we had the google instant thing for a few weeks, now? I've had the little notification that "Instant (beta) is off" for quite a while.
[21:09] <rick_h_> Blazeix: but watch the video
[21:09] <rick_h_> it's different
[21:09] <rick_h_> it's a 'cover flow' for results for mobile
[21:10] <rick_h_> prevents the "follow link, go back, follow next link, go back, next, back, next back"
[21:11] <Blazeix> ah, interesting
[21:12] <snap-l> greg-g: I'd rather you post to correct these schmoos
[21:12] <snap-l> Seems a few folks have to stand up so they can talk without being muffled by the seat cushion
[21:21] <greg-g> BAM! InboxZero in my work account! (and my @creativecommons account, but that's normally at 0)
[21:23] <gamerchick02> congrats, greg-g
[21:23] <gamerchick02> i have 2 in my gmail inbox
[21:39] <greg-g> you know what helped? mutt-notmuch integration. Search is just so easy now that I don't leave those informational messages in my inbox until the day they're needed (like flight itineraries/etc). GET THAT CRAP OUT OF MY SIGHT
[21:46] <gamerchick02> i use a lot of labels and such in gmail.
[21:47] <snap-l> greg-g: Welcome to my world. ;)
[22:31] <snap-l> Has it just been me, or is Google really not working right
[22:32] <snap-l> google reader, calendar, etc.
[22:33] <Blazeix> I don't think I've noticed much. Google docs was a bit slow last night.
[23:57] <rick_h_x> hello?
[23:57] <rick_h_x> crap, why is freenode not working from my colo?