[12:13] morning [12:14] How the &@$% do you report a bug on Launchpad? I swear, it's like they don't want new bug reports. [12:18] then my apport bug gets marked a dupe of a non-public bug, so I can't even subscribe to that bug to track progress or offer input. [12:18] This is possibly the most assinine system ever. [12:19] PS: Natty sucks and I can't believe we're going to launch this steaming turd in 50 days. [12:19] * wolfger grumbles some more [12:22] and I had two apport-able bugs this morning, but it seems that Apport got confused and submitted the same bug twice (both bugs happened at once). [12:23] lol [12:23] wolfger: is off to a great start today [12:24] OK, finally found the report-a-bug link, buried at the end of a lengthy document about how to use Apport to report a bug (which is worthless to even have, since Apport is pretty much an automated process) [12:26] augh!!!!!! [12:27] after all that, the bug I'm trying to report is a dupe (despite it not showing up when I did a search) [12:27] * wolfger fumes [12:28] OK, I know Natty is Alpha... I know I should expect problems... But this is ridiculous. Worst alpha ever. [12:28] ...and Launchpad has no such "alpha" excuse for sucking. [12:28] [12:31] at least I managed to do something semi-useful. Confirmed the bug and changed it to the appropriate package. [12:31] I never know what package to put my bugs on [12:31] so I never file new ones =( [12:33] That's a lame reason to not file bugs. [12:33] Not that there aren't some good reasons.... that just isn't one of them. [12:34] * wolfger raps tjagoda's knuckles with a ruler [12:42] I do not know how to best determine what the source problem package is [12:42] Figured not filling is better than wasting somebody's time in the totally wrong package [12:43] That's what the job of triaging exists for. [12:43] Let people who know and care more decide where to stick it. [12:43] wait, that sounded wrong... [12:47] Wolfger's always telling me where to stick it. =P [13:04] g'morn [13:05] morning [13:05] morning [13:05] ug, touched vista running on an acer craptop this morning [13:05] i feel dirty and cheap [13:06] good morning :) [13:06] brousch: you are dirty and cheap [13:06] greg-g: I'll ask about Apr2nd SRT UGBJ today. [13:07] jrwren: awesome, but it's April3rd ;) [13:07] jrwren: thanks man [13:07] oh, ok, saturday? [13:07] jrwren: Sunday [13:07] Sunday. [13:07] ok. [13:07] yeah [13:09] somebody needs coffee [13:09] and/or a calendar :-) [13:10] oooo, we're now logged, btw [13:10] i could scrollback and point out where greg-g said apr 2nd :p [13:10] but that was days ago :p [13:10] :) [13:10] but yes, no coffee yet. === greg-g changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-mi to: Michigan LoCo | Wiki: http://ur1.ca/33fhq | LP: http://ur1.ca/33fhw | MailingList: http://ur1.ca/33fhy | Check out MUG: http://www.mug.org and CHC: http://ur1.ca/33fin | Michigan Repository Mirror at OU: http://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu/ | This channel is now logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [13:11] jrwren: Even if he said the 2nd (and I'm not doubting you) that doesn't excuse you from thinking the 3rd was a Saturday. :-) [13:12] just so everyone knows: [13:12] --------------------------- [13:12] of course it does. [13:12] I feel intimidated by the size of our channel /topic [13:12] THIS CHANNEL IS NOW LOGGED [13:12] *gasp* [13:12] :) [13:12] So [13:12] greg-g: Logged? Oh noes! We're going to lose all our tinfoil hat participants. [13:12] logged like my turds into the toilet? [13:12] Whose going to start flooding "porn porn porn" now that we're logged? [13:12] =p [13:12] wolfger: that was the plan [13:12] jrwren: yes [13:12] ;) [13:13] actually, I got around to doing it because of the built in IRC meeting log feature in the LoCo Directroy [13:13] So all my ranting about Natty being crap and Launchpad being more crap is now preserved and searchable? Excellent! [13:13] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/39/detail/ see the meeting logs link (that one doesn't work, since we weren't logged yet, it is just auto generated) [13:13] just what I needed [13:14] More Ubuntu-related google noise when I search my name [13:14] =P [13:14] wolfger: yep, in fact that was the first real content it logged :) [13:15] Woohoo! [13:15] Kickin' it off right. [13:17] Pidgin sucks so much sometimes [13:17] It is occasionally very hard to me an open source enthusiast. =P [13:18] rick_h_: Watched your rant last night.... Why video? I mean, if all we're going to see is you talking into a mic, that seems rather lame. Now if you use the whiteboard, or demonstrate something, that'd be sweet. [13:18] Sent an offline message which it converted into a buddy pounce and then proceeded to send the pounce IM /every time/ the buddy logged on for about 7 days [13:18] wolfger: because I can do it live [13:18] and take questions/comments [13:18] tjagoda: Pidgin sucks less than Empathy, or whatever the default is on Natty [13:19] and because I think I'm the hotness you all want to see [13:19] wolfger: shush, I like to stare at rick_h_ [13:19] wolfger: the idea is to test the waters with lococast stuff getting more interactive [13:19] Sorry, ColonelPanic001, I did not mean to deprive you of your... "material" [13:19] apology accepted. [13:20] rick_h_: can't be interactive with just audio? [13:20] wolfger: meh, I think video is more interactive [13:20] besides, the audio is still there, put out in podcast form [13:20] you don't have to watch it [13:20] :) [13:21] you even get the cool intro music if you listen to the podcast form [13:21] having both is good - I can listen to a podcast at work, not so much a video [13:21] right [13:21] need to catch up on lococast. [13:21] it's experimental stuff [13:21] ColonelPanic001: definitely, our last couple of months have been our best stuff [13:21] this lady in the cube across from me never shuts up on the damn phone, so I've got plenty of time. [13:21] gag [13:21] hah [13:21] Ugh. Doesn't linux-mag.com have editors? I hate seeing poor spelling/grammar get published. [13:22] tried that, said something about assault. [13:22] the sad part about pidgin sucking is that it is still better than everything else out there. [13:23] I think it was linux-mag that asked me for an article and then did nothing with it. [13:23] and they are light on editors. [13:23] they let the author keep copyright, which is rare for magazines. [13:23] jrwren: Tried Kopete? [13:23] pidgin is awesome [13:23] it's about on par with Pidgin... does some things better, some things worse [13:24] I use Kopete at home [13:24] Pidgin at work, centerim at work [13:24] lol @ kopete. not in 8 or so years. [13:24] kopete win32? [13:24] LOLpete [13:25] no, it's for decent OSs. [13:25] :P [13:25] jrwren: Letting the author keep copyright is rare? Since when? [13:25] actually might. No idea how easily though [13:25] It wasn't rare way back when I thought I was a writer. [13:25] wolfger: forever in publishing. [13:25] IIRC, KDE 4 stuff is all windows compatible, has a windows version, etc [13:25] wolfger: for magazines and books typically even if you retain (C) you ahve given up a lot of rights that go with it. [13:26] e.g. can't go print the book yourself and sell it. [13:26] linux-mag < linux journal [13:26] e.g. can't publish the magazine article on a blog. [13:26] at least not without permission of the publisher [13:26] Happy American Tuesday [13:27] erh [13:27] I mean [13:27] Fat Tuesday [13:27] jrwren: http://www.simplehelp.net/2008/06/30/how-to-install-and-run-kde-programs-in-windows/ [13:27] with the disclaimer that I think I tried it once, half-assed, years ago, and don't even remember if it worked. So, I really have no idea. [13:27] jrwren: used to be just First North American rights, and you retained the right to republish. [13:27] not that anybody was typically buying anything *but* first rights, so second rights were kinda worthless [13:27] unless you republish yourself [13:29] oh yeah, fat tuesday... damn, I wish I lived in Detroit instead of AA [13:29] the hamtramick influence was so much more in the tricounty detroit area [13:30] you can have mine [13:30] ColonelPanic wants to /live/ [13:31] somtimes. [13:31] lately I've been having to screw around with the iphone simulator on a mac, so not always [13:37] Ewh [13:38] Open Source ColonelPanic sells his soul to Apple to pay the rent [13:38] that's my news headline :\ [13:40] greg-g: i was chatting with you before actually seeing your email. now I see your email ! [13:46] everyone see this yet?: http://weatherspark.com/#app;a=USA/MI/Detroit [13:47] heh, fancy [13:49] wow [14:09] brousch: Nice. [14:10] And ithas radar as well. Wonder if it updates automagically. [14:13] snap-l has an inner meteorologist. [14:13] I have the Baker weather service in the house [14:17] hah [14:41] Woot. The bug my bug got marked as a dupe of just went public, and I was auto-notified of that fact. A point of redemption for Launchpad. [14:41] Don't worry, it'll expire in due time. ;) [14:43] It's been marked as critical, so I think this one might actually get fixed. [14:44] I have never been involved in a bug which was actually fixed =( [14:44] ROFL [14:45] just got a a message over Office Communicator, "r u at yur desk"... then he corrected "your". [14:45] tjagoda: might help if you actually filed bugs :-p [14:46] wolfger: u r 2 cool 4 wrds [14:57] Why is it so damn difficult to get curling coverage on broadcast TV in this country?! [14:57] tjagoda: Which country? [14:58] The one that considers it a sport, or the one that thinks it's ice shuffleboard [14:58] Shuffleboard [14:59] jrwren: :) [14:59] tjagoda: I think you have your answer. [15:04] Curse this country, and it's poor taste in sports. =P [15:05] tjagoda: It's not hard at all. Just turn to CBC. [15:05] Considering most of the country shits their collective pants when they see snow, I think a sport that is played on ice might have them go into shock. [15:06] We get that channel here. [15:06] ColonelPanic001: that is pretty awesome, just what I need, more geekiness just to check if it is raining outside or not :) [15:06] I love it [15:07] ColonelPanic001: dangit, aside from the flash, that is ;) [15:10] I still lik wunderground. ;) [15:11] i still like the window [15:13] actually i use weatherbug on android more than anything else [15:22] wolfger: CBC is not providing coverage this year [15:22] CTV holds an exlcusive broadcast license, so its on TSN Canada [15:22] exclusive* [15:23] Comcast does not sell TSN Canada, only the useless TSN America =( [15:23] I need to form a Canadian holding corporation so I have have a rogers subscription and then stream the channels back into the states. [15:24] tjagoda..... so what you are telling me is that you are blaming the United States for CBC's failure to cover curling? [15:24] I'm blaming the united states for my inability to purchase Canadian broadcast channels? [15:25] can't you watch it over the tubes? [15:25] Just go to your local torrent site and download the matches. I'm sure they'll have hundreds of seeders.... [15:25] BWAHAHAHAHAHA [15:27] Nein, no over the tubes [15:27] only CBC over air [15:27] CBC does not hold the exclusive broadcast license [15:27] CTV does [15:28] * wolfger senses an impending terrorist attack on CTV headquarters [15:28] trolololol [15:28] Please disregard that FBI googlebot whom is now searching our IRC logs [15:28] crap... we're logging now. I should probably stop using words such as "terrorist attack" [15:28] greg-g, WHY ARE WE LOGGED [15:29] THE INTERNET CANNOT HANDLE US IN PERPETUITY [15:29] ah, well, it's tjagoda that will get investigated for it, not me. :-) [15:29] I'll just have to make #ubuntu-us-mi-terrorist [15:29] That won't be logged or arouse suspicion [15:30] ./join #ubuntu-us-mi-not-a-terrorist [15:30] * tjagoda does [15:30] deport him [15:31] we need a bot with emacs spook functionality. To overwhelm the FBI trackers with noise. [15:31] brousch: To canada, plz [15:32] * wolfger wonders why tjagoda is in a Michigan channel, pretending to be Canadian, when he's using a California server... [15:32] I feel as if I have been victimized by a subtle greg-g plot to censor the inappropriate comments from our channel [15:32] suspicious terrorist activity if you ask me [15:32] Freenode round-robins me, I swear =( [15:32] Ha! I foil that greg-g plot by not caring about my inappropriate comments being logged! [15:33] Ingenious [16:05] I can never win [16:06] why do you even try? [16:09] weatherunderground is neat because I happen to know the guy with the closest weather station [16:40] http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2011/03/warner-bros-taking-movie-rentals-to-its-facebook-pages.ars [16:40] son of a *#@$*$#@ [16:41] facebook _is_ the web [16:43] http://dvice.com/archives/2011/03/snak-is-a-keybo.php [16:43] shoot me now [16:44] LOL [16:45] I take it rick_h_ was in denial about FB? [16:46] I hope they get all the success they deserve with this move. [16:47] I can see it now [16:47] "30 day rental window only for FB users [16:47] I'm sure it will be worth every penny it costs them and more [16:48] ipad specific content, social network specific content, ugh [16:48] I've already been watching streaming content on FB. The UFC has begun streaming free preliminary fights on FB, prior to the (later) preliminary fights on broadcast TV, prior to the pay-per-view [16:48] Super sucky thing about that is, it's in Silverlight :-p [16:48] so i can only watch on the Win7 box [16:49] Moonlight won't play it [16:49] man, it just gets better [16:50] But that's a UFC thing, not necessarily a FB thing. They love Silverlight for some reason. [16:50] It's all over their home page [16:50] *puke* [16:50] has anyone tried playon.tv? I've been looking at buying that for a solution to netflix silverlight stuff. [16:50] it requires a windows pc, but that pc can be stashed in a corner, and stream to a linux box. [16:52] Frankly, the amount of trouble that these folks are making for Linux users ensures I'll be buying DVDs for a long while. [16:53] or streaming on non-linux devices (ie: Netflix w/ Wii) [17:02] yeah. [17:02] even though moonlight does a great job of compat, there is NO DRM!!! [17:02] http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/ [17:02] so if the silverlight video stream is DRM it will never play in moonlight ;( [17:03] an we put the designers to better use than trying to fuck everything in the earhole because it's convenient? [17:04] lol [17:04] come on, it's well thuoght out [17:04] "no one needs this any more since I don't use it" [17:04] It is, but I'm getting a little tired of folks decontenting things that I use and understand [17:05] LOVE it... "we're quitting" [17:05] first OSX, now ubuntu. [17:05] i imagine win8 will follow [17:05] i've wanted this style of desktop apps since 1998 or 99 or whnever I had my handspring visor (palm) [17:07] jrwren: The way we're going, you're about to get the Palm OS on your desktop. [17:09] "multi-task? That's so 2000's" [17:09] no one needs more than a browser open anyway :P [17:10] to be fair, I can't remember the last time I chose 'quit' from a menu. [17:10] Blazeix: CTRL-Q counts [17:10] as long as it goes away gracefully when my window manager tells it to, I don't really care. [17:10] cmd-q [17:11] well, ctrl-q [17:11] that's just activating the quit [17:11] I don't think I even new that was a valid key combo [17:11] s/new/knew/ [17:11] so if they remove the option the keyboard shortcut doesn't mean much [17:11] i actually use quit in X11 programs in osx because they don't play well [17:11] I wouldn't be nearly as upset with this if it wasn't presented so smugly [17:11] oh man, I use that 100s of times a day [17:11] it's how I close things, ctrl-d for termanals and ctrl-q for everything else [17:12] ie: This is what we think is best for you, after careful consideration. [17:12] if you want to beat Apple you must become Apple [17:12] hm, I think awesome uses super+shift+c to kill programs [17:12] I don't think that maps to "quit" [17:12] that's what I use daily [17:13] http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/#comment-14180 <- I am going to blow a fucking gasket [17:13] Blazeix: yea, I use that for apps that don't have a quit menu item [17:13] it's more of a "kill" [17:15] http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/#comment-14243 [17:16] NERD RAGE!!!! [17:16] ruh roh [17:16] at least it's not me this time lol [17:18] this is coming with unity, right? I imagine the people that this really bugs won't be using unity. [17:18] Blazeix: I'll give Unity a fair shake [17:18] sure, though unless I see drastic improvements in unity I suspect you'll end up on stock gnome or something. [17:18] but I'm wondering if it's time to distro-hop [17:19] I mean away from GNOME as well [17:19] *cough* tiling wm *cough* [17:19] Use something that is Ubuntu-based that isn't GNOME-based [17:19] and God forbid isn't some space-cadet window manager [17:20] I used to run xubuntu back in the day, that was pretty nice. [17:20] they had xfce configured in a very gnome-like way. [17:20] Xubuntu [17:20] i like it [17:20] the thing is that this quit business is something that apps will ahve to adopt right? [17:21] I mean, the idea is to remove it from the file menu, that's per app on that not just a WM change [17:21] well, if they use the dbus-based global menu they might be able to filter it out. [17:21] gotcha [17:21] snap-l: come to the dark side [17:21] it's not as "space cadet" as you think :) [17:22] and you can use a mouse to do things [17:22] hmmm, well maybe not resize. I only know how to do that by the keyboard [17:22] you could try out bluetile. That's gnomey. [17:22] http://www.bluetile.org/ [17:24] Fuck, someone watched a damn Lisa video and now we're getting a fucking Lisa for Christmas. [17:24] rick_h_: +1 ctrl-w and ctrl-q 100s of times a day [17:24] Not that I wouldn't mind it, but c'mon. [17:25] Lisa? [17:25] snap-l: because mpt and Chauncellor just don't get it? [17:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rLpYeahN4 [17:26] rick_h_: ^^ [17:26] it would be interesting if the launcher were also the app monitor [17:26] I think this guy was the Chancellor in Space 1999 [17:27] jrwren: It would be great if all of these programs worked consistently together [17:27] so unity spawns a process and monitors the child PID for responsiveness and automatically respawns if it if stops responding. [17:27] yes, that would be great. [17:27] ubuntu! lets work together! [17:27] We're still trying like hell to get where we were back in 1985 [17:27] everything old is new again. [17:27] but we're not going to get there by removing shit [17:28] removing quit? [17:28] i'm all for removing quit. [17:28] make ubuntu work like my iphone. [17:28] jrwren: Remind e to give you a wedgie thenext time I see you. [17:28] you'd have to catch me first :p [17:29] I'll make arrangements [17:29] oh, like my iphone but with real multtasking :) [17:30] Next they'll say "Y'know, The Apple Lisa didn't have a browser, so we don't need one either" [17:30] or "We don't need to let you close browser tabs" [17:31] you are such a nay-sayer. [17:31] i'm sure they will have an option to turn quit back on. [17:31] if they don't, that would be dumb. [17:31] jrwren: I'm tired of people doing shit because they think it's neccesary [17:31] jrwren: Gee, now would it? :) [17:31] but if it were just a system default to make the computer work as a tool rather than me work for the computer... I think its great. [17:31] when in reality it's not necessary [17:32] what you mean people doing shut cuz they think its necessary? [17:32] I'm seeing a lot of that with GNOME Shell / Unity [17:32] snap-l is in grumpy anti-change mode [17:32] =P [17:32] I'm seeing a lot of wheel reinvention [17:32] enhancement [17:32] its optimization. [17:32] Only we'll use hexagons, because they'll stay put when the wheel stops [17:33] and its optimization that you don't need. [17:33] but I love it. [17:33] Wheel 2.0, now made out of more modern polymer compounds [17:33] Who needs a smooth ride? That's so 20th century. [17:34] All I've got to say [17:34] is that I never saw a quit button on the USS Enterprise [17:34] so clearly this is the right direction. [17:35] I never saw any real world productivity out of the USS Enterprise computer though :( [17:35] Star Trek Generations [17:35] Epic Astrometrics lab manipulation [17:35] Argument: Invalid [17:35] =P [17:37] Y'know, I'll bet the computer on the USS Enterprise didn't use Firefox either [17:37] or Eclipse [17:38] It certainly didn't use Pidgin [17:38] crappy crappy Pidgin [17:39] They ran KDE. [17:49] /slap [18:10] greg-g is burning up the mailing list server this week. [18:11] woot! we might be an active loco yet! [18:11] just in time to mutiny by the sounds of things lol [18:11] Just like the good old days [18:12] mutiny? Arrr! Who be talkin' o' mutiny? [18:15] do we have a drupal-based CMS now? [18:16] i thought rick_h_ was putting that together [18:16] wait, mutiny? what'd I do?! [18:17] spying on our activities via logging [18:17] apparently rick_h_ is unhappy with the way you run things, greg-g [18:17] STRING 'IM UP [18:17] no, higher up than greg-g [18:17] man, you guys are awful [18:17] hehehehe [18:17] oh, yeah, Ubuntu mutiny :) [18:20] ./join #linuxmintdebianedition-us-mi [18:20] you missed when we had #debian-us-mi [18:21] ./join #gentoo-us-mi [18:21] ew [18:22] heh [18:22] Hmm. This doesn't sound right.... [18:22] As a temporary workaround, you can "apt-get remove gir1.2-unity-3.0" which will stop the crashing. [18:23] What is gir1.2-unity that it's included by default, yet can be removed? [18:23] ...and removing it makes things better? [18:24] You'll log in to notice unity shell no longer exists [18:24] =P [18:38] tjagoda: notice how I said "real world productivity" [18:38] i chose my words carefully :) [18:39] startrek used kde with lcars theme [18:40] Star Wars used KDE [18:40] http://haskell.org/wikiupload/a/aa/Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg [18:40] Star Trek used Gnome =( [18:41] Uh [18:41] wow [18:41] I imagine that's rick_h_'s dream-setup [18:41] triple-head tiling [18:42] non-widescreen [18:42] the mouse doesn't have one of those navigation ball things [18:42] crazy ass keyboard showing his commitment to anti-mouse usage [18:42] hm, I like the laptops hiding behind the monitors [18:43] zomg [18:43] did not event notice [18:43] that is pretty [18:43] though the displays are a bit small [18:43] I'm a 22" man [18:43] and they need mouting arms [18:43] but <3 that tiling [18:43] Tripple 22? [18:44] triple* [18:44] You'd have to turn your head too much [18:44] yea, why I just have dual 22" [18:44] but what I do is run one center [18:44] and the other to the side [18:44] but that's only for things like irc/communication stuff [18:44] maybe a reloading build server window [18:44] you mainly work on the front/center one [18:44] Unless you want to play flight sim in immersion mode [18:44] you should not have n > 2 22" [18:44] with tiling WM you can flip/swap windows so fast you don't need them side v side all the time [18:45] Same thing I do with my dual 22's [18:45] the second monitor often gets neglected for anything other than slacking off [18:46] heh, I'm missing mine horribly right now [18:46] so definitely not my issue there [18:46] especially when you get them on arms and can set them up right [18:50] http://decafbad.net/2011/03/08/open-metalcast-podcasting-live-tonight/ [18:51] Anybody want to buy a 22" samsung LCD? [18:51] I want to change monitor sizes. [18:51] tjagoda: I'll give you $1,000,000 in internet money for it [18:51] USD$5 [18:52] wth is internet money? [18:52] It's still a fairly new monitor you bastards [18:52] http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-22-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B00170VXC6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1299610344&sr=8-3 [18:52] I also have a 2232BW Plus [18:53] Is it possible to change stdout to a program (i.e. auto-pipe all cli output to "more")? [18:53] tjagoda: I'll insult you with my offer, so I'll hold it to myself. [18:53] It is so hard to find reasonable people these days =P [18:54] tjagoda: I'm just going to make a VGA-to-RGB cable and use my TV as a monitor :-p [18:54] internet money? like bitcoin? [18:54] Internet Money is currently worth about $.000,000,000,000,000,000,001, so get out there and make some Internet cash! [18:56] snap-l: i assume you'll be screencasting your live performance tonight [18:58] ??? [18:58] live performance? [18:59] brousch: Nope. Live performance [18:59] if the audience decides to record, I won't stop them [19:00] boo [19:01] brousch: There's still time to head on out. ;) [19:01] not even recordmydesktop? [19:01] Heck, it's only a three hour drive from West MI [19:01] Nope. [19:01] Because I suck, and am a bastard. [19:01] i am putting an interweb hex on your presentation. you are doomed. [19:02] brousch: I'm using Linux audio. I'm already getting into sacrificing chickens [19:02] You don't scare me [19:02] i made a voodoo doll of your hard disk and am stepping on it repeatedly [19:03] sacrificing chickens? i didn't know i had to do that to use linux... [19:03] might put some people off at an Ubuntu Hour. [19:03] gamerchick02: just if you want to record audio [19:03] oh. ok. :) [19:03] note to self: don't mention recording audio at Ubuntu Hour. [19:09] brousch: http://ubuntuone.com/p/gkK/ [19:10] Worst part of that image is trying to match the damn font. ;) [19:10] that's great lulz [19:10] thank you. :) [19:12] is there a FF plugin that lets me just start typing HTML and it renders it? [19:12] I want to skip the "create a blank file and open it " steps [19:12] you can do that with firebug [19:12] yeah? [19:13] yea, load up new tab and hit firebug [19:13] yeah, you can put the html tab in text mode [19:13] how? [19:13] OH! edit button right there. [19:13] TY [19:14] yeah, you don't get nice autoindenting or anything, but it's good for banging out some quick html [19:22] is there a way to ask firebug/firefox to rerun JS from beginning without a page reload? [19:22] Not that I know of in firefox [19:23] don't know about bug [19:24] jrwren: not yet, it's a dev feature in the next release I think [19:24] hm, you might be able to find the entry point and call it in the console [19:25] though I imagine that will mess the page up if the js has side effects. [19:25] rick_h_: cool. so do they revert all dom changes the js makes? [19:27] Blazeix: not sure, let me see if I can find the link. Just saw something on it the other day [20:01] snap-l: http://twitter.com/#!/segphault/status/45212170329407488 the end is near [20:09] what? that's a load a bullshit. i'm sure he's not following the right people. [20:10] by my (limited) observation, i get more engagement with status.net than i ever do with twitter. [20:16] I think it's because of the dogpile that floss celebrities get over there. [20:16] segphault: RT @directhex: @segphault identi.ca is like Twitter, but it's exclusively used for people to congratulate each other for using identi.ca |03:09 PM Mar 08, 2011 [20:17] I just wait patiently for Twitter to do something stupid and watch as people scramble [20:18] That and if you follow bkuhn, fontana, or fabsh, it's like a fucking echo chamber [20:21] i just responded to that too. [20:21] well, i follow fabsh, but i don't always believe everything he sasy [20:21] says, even [20:22] I prefer to read that as "he sassy" [20:22] lol [20:25] * brousch kisses snap-l on the head. omc #9, tehomoth. fuckyeah [20:26] snap-l, i agree that it can be an echo chamber. and sometimes i don't think "other" opinions are welcome [20:26] i see a lot of ubuntu hate from fabsh. i actually blocked markshuttlecock because i was sick of the "satire" coming from his maw, i mean keyboard. [20:35] brousch: You like? :) [20:39] greg-g: Sheesh, that opencore thread is out of control. :) [20:40] http://identi.ca/conversation/65683872#notice-66472621 <- Speaking of the demons. [20:42] but if he's rage-quitted identi.ca, he won't see those replies. [20:42] hence why i sent the note to him on twitter. ;) [20:42] Me too [20:44] I have my speakers ready to go tonight, so I'm listening to my Squeezebox on my desk [20:45] go snap-l [20:46] Of course that makes me wonder what lies in store for gwibber [20:46] meh, as long as the api sticks around [20:46] although not sure if Ryan is still working on that as much [20:46] it's used for more than twitter/identica [20:47] i surely hope he doesn't kill status.net support for it. if he does, i'll rage-quit gwibber and use their (admittedly shit) program you can get off the sn website. [20:48] i don't think he is as much, it's kind of off his hands so to speak [20:48] https://twitter.com/#!/householdhacker and why the everloving hell do people use fucking animated avatars on twitter? makes my eyes hurt and makes gwibber go NUTS. *RAGE* [20:49] That one is especially annoying [20:49] But hey, if it supports it... ;) [20:49] Maybe we can turn Twitter into Livejournal after all [20:49] for sure. it just sits and blinks in my gwibber window, and is one of the fastest ways to give me a headache. [20:51] sweet, cards are in just in time [20:51] And considering Ms. Data Portability Stormy isn't using identi.ca for her flight, that's pretty damning. [20:51] rick_h_: cards? [20:51] twitter is actually useful. i've had some interesting conversations about movies and such. people on status.net don't seem to be into that sort of stuff. [20:52] the business cards I wanted for pycon [20:52] with contact info, lococast logo [20:52] just got the phone call they're in [20:52] gamerchick02: There's a few that are pretty interested in metal, but for the most part a bunch of them are more interested in being up their own ass. [20:52] lol [20:52] And fucking soccer. [20:52] well, i like soccer. [20:53] *shrug* [20:53] I like soccer too. I think it gives the 10yo's out there something to do [20:53] LOL. [20:53] get 'em into a better sport: hockey. you're in Michigan, afterall... they can play hockey from October to June. [20:54] Hell, they can play it year round, practically [20:54] on outside ice from November to March too. [20:54] i mean, you could here, anyway. though it's gotten up to 37F today, but the temp is due to fall quickly tonight. it'll be frigid by the time i get out of Nile. [20:55] gonna be a late-ass night. blargh [20:56] OK, this is pathetic [20:56] 22 posts from identi.ca [20:56] 11 people [20:56] and one of them is the eff [20:56] That spans 30 minutes [20:58] And one of them is our own greg-g, correcting someone on (C) [20:58] hrm. in the public timeline, or yours? [20:58] yes yes, shhhh [20:58] my timeline [20:58] ah [21:03] I will keep my "well actually" posts regarding copyright to a minimum [21:04] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/google-instant-previews-now-on-android-and-ios/2828 [21:04] i don't mind the copyright stuff, really i don't. it's when it's pointed out that someone might be wrong, and then the community jumps all over the person who's pointing things out like they're... i dunno. wrong? [21:04] kind of cool android users [21:04] oooh. very [21:05] and i don't mind a lot of politics, though you're bound to offend someone if you post something political. [21:06] haven't we had the google instant thing for a few weeks, now? I've had the little notification that "Instant (beta) is off" for quite a while. [21:09] Blazeix: but watch the video [21:09] it's different [21:09] it's a 'cover flow' for results for mobile [21:10] prevents the "follow link, go back, follow next link, go back, next, back, next back" [21:11] ah, interesting [21:12] greg-g: I'd rather you post to correct these schmoos [21:12] Seems a few folks have to stand up so they can talk without being muffled by the seat cushion [21:21] BAM! InboxZero in my work account! (and my @creativecommons account, but that's normally at 0) [21:23] congrats, greg-g [21:23] i have 2 in my gmail inbox [21:39] you know what helped? mutt-notmuch integration. Search is just so easy now that I don't leave those informational messages in my inbox until the day they're needed (like flight itineraries/etc). GET THAT CRAP OUT OF MY SIGHT [21:46] i use a lot of labels and such in gmail. [21:47] greg-g: Welcome to my world. ;) [22:31] Has it just been me, or is Google really not working right [22:32] google reader, calendar, etc. [22:33] I don't think I've noticed much. Google docs was a bit slow last night. [23:57] hello? [23:57] crap, why is freenode not working from my colo?