[15:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: powerpc builds are stopped
[16:26] <ochosi> good news everyone, there'll be a new release of the elementary icons really soon (as in: within the next days) and my patch for the bug with the appfinder (appfinder-icon == catfish-icon) is included
[16:26] <micahg> ochosi: is the missing education icon known?
[16:27] <ochosi> micahg: is it also missing in bzr?
[16:27] <micahg> ochosi: idk, haven't checked yet
[16:27] <ochosi> i'll quickly have a look
[16:31] <ochosi> micahg: sry, can't say whether it's known, it seems to be missing though: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementarydesign/elementaryicons/trunk/files/head:/elementary-icon-theme/elementary/categories/24/?file_id=categories-20091112072358-d8c4uieo922x9z6k-20
[16:31] <micahg> ochosi: do you want me to file a bug, if so where
[16:32] <ochosi> i'm not sure, i quickly have to reboot to get from my testing to my working env and then i'll get back to you
[16:32] <micahg> ochosi: I also wanted to make sure the category should be there according to the spec
[16:32] <ochosi> i'll try to communicate with upstream directly and see whether we can fix it before the release
[16:32] <ochosi> hm yeah, probably taking a look at the spec beforehands makes sense :)
[16:32] <ochosi> brb
[16:40] <ochosi> micahg: so we have to check the fd.org specs for icons, right?
[16:41] <micahg> ochosi: idk :)
[16:41] <ochosi> lol
[16:41] <ochosi> two experts talking :)
[16:41] <micahg> I'm just starting to get involved here :)
[16:41] <ochosi> micahg: http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html   go to "Table 5."
[16:42] <ochosi> what apps are using the category education?
[16:42] <micahg> just anki ATM, which leads me to believe it's wrong
[16:42] <ochosi> right, never heard of anki before
[16:42] <ochosi> probably file the bug there ,)
[16:43] <charlie-tca> um, gcompris uses Education too
[16:43] <charlie-tca> It is an application aimed at helping kids learn the computer
[16:44] <charlie-tca> as well as teaching numbers and alphabet
[16:45] <ochosi> hm, well somehow it doesn't seem fd.org compliant to use that category
[16:46] <ochosi> but hey, basically anyone can create categories as they please :)
[16:46] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu uses education also
[16:47] <ochosi> to the worst we can fix that bug by throwing ubuntu's education icon into elementaryXubuntu
[16:48] <charlie-tca> That might be the best way to do it, there are other education applications, but I can't remember them now
[16:48] <charlie-tca> and, I just re-formatted the drive with them... :-(
[16:48] <micahg> maybe we should ask dobey since he wrote the spec :)
[16:49] <ochosi> micahg: sure, go ahead :)
[16:49] <charlie-tca> the other side will be the number of reports we get based on the category without an icon
[16:50] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, if the category shouldn't be there, we should fix the packages
[16:50] <charlie-tca> Great idea. Can we start with gcompris, which I install for kids to use?
[16:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: sure, I can fix it, once we confirm where the issue is
[17:08] <charlie-tca> I take it back, Ubuntu no longer uses menus for anything
[17:10] <ochosi> :)
[17:28] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, ochosi : slideshow in today's desktop image is only the last page
[17:30] <charlie-tca> hm, then it appears to actually start and go throguh slides
[17:31] <charlie-tca> micahg: yes, pidgin starts from the indicator-plugin on the live desktop
[17:55] <mr_pouit> slideshows haven't been touched yet, anyway
[17:55] <charlie-tca> they are acting weird for some reason
[17:55] <mr_pouit> micahg: if it's not supposed to be here, I can remove the education category from the default xubuntu menu file
[17:56] <mr_pouit> but afaik, this category exists and is valid
[17:56] <charlie-tca> It starts as a blank, goes to the last page, then starts over and works
[17:56] <micahg> mr_pouit: yeah, I'll have to talk to dobey, it's not on the freedesktop spec
[17:56] <mr_pouit> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
[17:56] <mr_pouit> it's here, at least
[17:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: ah, that's probably the more recent one, ochosi gave me an outdated link :)
[17:57] <mr_pouit> no, that wasn't the same spec
[17:57] <mr_pouit> (icon vs. menu)
[17:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: how do we resolve the 2
[17:58] <mr_pouit> hehe
[18:03] <micahg> mr_pouit: I got the ACK from mythbuntu on updating xfce4-mixer, I'll file the paperwork soon, builds fine as well, but needs merge due to epoch
[18:03] <micahg> mr_pouit: do you have a branch for it, or can I just upload?
[18:06] <charlie-tca> At least I don't need Alt+sysRq+k to get the desktop in Xubuntu
[18:07] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: desktop image works today; install completed without crashes; restarted to the desktop without crashes
[18:07] <charlie-tca> ochosi: got two workspaces in the live cd, 4 workspaces in the installed desktop
[18:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: I used bzr branches for one release, and then I threw everything to /dev/null, the launchpad importer was never up to date when I needed it
[18:10] <mr_pouit> so, no branch
[18:10] <micahg> mr_pouit: heh, ok, do you want to maintain in Debian git?
[18:10] <micahg> or is it not worth it for these minor diffs?
[18:11] <mr_pouit> yeah, we'll put branches in debian git, when pkg-xfce uses it too (for the moment it's still svn and no migration has been planned ;-)
[18:11] <mr_pouit> I don't even remember why xfce4-mixer has an epoch
[18:11] <mr_pouit> iirc, it's not even said in debian/changelog
[18:11] <mr_pouit> that's a great epic fail
[18:12] <mr_pouit> so feel free to upload directly
[18:12] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: nice, thanks for testing
[18:12] <micahg> mr_pouit:  * Sync with os-works.com.
[18:12] <micahg> almost 6 yrs ago
[18:15] <mr_pouit> micahg: where do you see that? I can't find it in debian/changelog apparently
[18:15] <micahg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+changelog
[18:16] <mr_pouit> ah indeed
[18:17] <mr_pouit> that was a bad move :(
[18:18] <micahg> apparently Ubuntu was much looser with epoch bumps in the past, now they are frowned upon
[18:18] <mr_pouit> (tbh, ubuntu was much looser with everything, especially badly/undocumented merges :)
[18:38] <mr_pouit> oops, I should refresh the pages before replying to a bug :>
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I hate when I do that
[18:41] <mr_pouit> well, I just did that to the claws-indicator bug ;>
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Of course, with all the advances made in browser technology, you would think they would refresh automatically by now
[18:41] <charlie-tca> They can do it on pages full of garbage, why not on pages you care about?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Hm, I would file that as a suggestion/wishlist, but mozilla won t allow me to file anything greater than a stupid 140 characters
[18:53] <micahg> charlie-tca: ?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> you can click feedback in 4.0b12, and give a 140 character comment. Nothing else works
[18:54] <Sysi> i think there's been automatic reload since like 2.0, but i dunno how to use it
[18:55] <charlie-tca> which makes it useless?
[18:55] <Sysi> i've never needed it..
[18:56] <Sysi> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/reloadevery/
[18:57] <charlie-tca> not built in, ?
[18:57] <Sysi> apparently
[19:05] <micahg> charlie-tca: idk, ask chrisccoulson about that