[01:47] what's up fellas [01:49] welcome back Roasted [01:49] I'm here, I'm here [01:49] installing Edubuntu on my test rig here at home [01:49] they pay you for that? [01:49] sucker takes a bit longer than ubuntu, but its 2.4gb in size [01:49] ha, of course not [01:49] but I'm curious... [01:49] yeah, game files are big [01:50] I'm anxious to try it out at work [01:50] I have some old rigs I can use as thin clients instead [01:50] for testing [01:51] I have to wonder though... if the edubuntu box is acting as a dhcp server, I wonder how it would act with another dhcp server on the network [01:51] or if theres a way to make edubuntu use our regular dhcp server, yet somehow still get the pxe boot to the linux image [01:52] I don't think so, pxe used dhcp/bootp as far as I know [01:52] so unless your dhcp server is serving up linux images, you'll need to use the one with LTSP [01:52] if thin clients are going to use edubuntu, fine, I just dont want our "regular" clients (non thin clients) to pull IP addresses from the wrong server [01:54] it'd probably be easiest to segregate your networks [01:54] I'm not sure how that's possible, if our users on the thin clients are going to authenticate ot he domain, get internet access, get network storag,e etc. [01:54] they'll cross SOMEWHERE [02:46] anybody here? [02:46] yes [02:46] I fired up edubuntu but I can't seem to find wher LTSP is. I thought it was included. [02:46] I installed the two objects I found in software center when I searched for LTSP [02:46] One being "thin client manager" [02:46] live? [02:46] I opened it but I'm stuck on what to do now. I'm trying to set up a very small test environment. [02:46] No, I have a full blown ISO install from Edubuntu 10 10 [02:47] so u've installed it [02:47] yup [02:47] Just trying to get my feet wet here so I can test it at work. [02:47] there is an installation option during setup iirc (it's been a year since i used edubuntu) where you need to select LTSP [02:47] I did. [02:47] I saw that. [02:47] But now that I'm up and running I'm not sure what to do. [02:47] Is it uh.. already done??? [02:48] ah, so u need the ltsp primer [02:48] have you connected a thin or fat client to your server? [02:48] hm, okay. any idea on how I can get going with that? [02:48] No. [02:48] I have a laptop here with a regular windows install on it. I was curious if I could use it to PXE boot as my guinea pig for tonight? [02:48] I'm just trying to get my feet wet otnight. Tomorrow I'll have more hardware to work with at work. [02:49] yes, u can, do you have pxe boot on the laptop? [02:49] Sure do. [02:49] do you work for rev linux? [02:49] u can also simulate in a vbox [02:49] revolution linux? [02:49] yeah [02:49] i am the revolution. no i don't work for rev linux [02:49] :) [02:49] lol [02:49] good deal [02:49] well how do I get started from here? [02:50] and what is a primer? [02:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=LTSPv5onUbuntu.pdf [02:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ [02:50] i'm a non reader of sorts. [02:51] i have a problem with lines in pages, however reading does get a person a lot further than random questions. so, i assume you have a switch or router on your ltsp server? [02:51] I have a switch [02:51] 8 port 10 100 [02:51] er, between the server and your laptop [02:51] yes [02:51] kk, so set to boot via pxe first and make an effort to get a connection [02:53] didnt find an IP [02:54] dhcp3 is up though [02:54] switch has nothing in it but the laptop + server [02:54] no router [02:55] iirc, you should be able to connect directly and eliminate the switch on a single machine [02:55] provided you don't need a crossover cable [02:55] wait [02:55] im stupid [02:55] im so stupid [02:55] so very stupid [02:56] hm [02:57] it looks like it gets one and it sticks at TFTP [02:57] then exits [02:57] I've seen this before with PXE boot imaging... [02:58] do you have another machine to test with? [02:58] uh [02:58] client side [02:58] I have a netbook [02:58] sec [02:59] same thing [02:59] I changed the network interface file tho [02:59] thats probably it, sec [03:00] bingo [03:00] its loading ubuntu now [03:01] Im in [03:02] now what? lol... [03:02] this can't be this easy that I just install edubuntu and connect a few pcs/clients to it [03:03] yes, it's that easy [03:03] no [03:03] create users [03:03] I'm calling BS [03:03] linux is hard, come on now. [03:04] Ahmuck, here's a question for ya [03:04] well, u'll have to manage resources, fat or thin clients, etc. [03:04] I'm a little concerned how this will work networking wise [03:04] ? [03:05] why? [03:05] because of it acting as a DHCP server and we already have a DHCP server at work. [03:05] change the ip range [03:05] on the edubuntu box itself? [03:05] so if your ip range at work is 192.168.1.1 [03:05] we're on 10.52 at work [03:05] then make sure your ip range of the ltps dhcp server is on a different subnet [03:05] hm [03:06] so if its on a different subnet the dhcp services wont clash? [03:06] from edubuntu vs main dhcp [03:06] i assume you are the sysadmin at work or have sysadmin privelages [03:06] I am a technician. [03:06] I'm not the network admin. [03:06] I do desktop support with a hair of server work. [03:06] run it by your network admin [03:06] explain fully what you want to do [03:06] and buy him a cup of coffee [03:07] :) [03:07] or a beer [03:07] :P [03:07] but was I right tho [03:07] if we're on a different subnet, we'd be all right? [03:07] with multiple dhcp servers [03:07] i've run multiple dhcp servers, yes [03:07] ur going to need permission from your network admin anyway [03:08] now... at work we currently have an ncomputing setup. it has 4 gigabit network cards [03:08] so it's better if he understands what your doing [03:08] and that ncomputing lab runs on 192.168 [03:08] even tho the main network is 10.52 [03:08] oh yeah, he and I work close anyway [03:08] so "if" you break something he can take a handy pair of side cutters and cut the wire so to speak [03:08] exactly [03:08] here's my question tho [03:08] and thi smay be a stupid one [03:08] but I'm asking it [03:09] if the edubuntu lab runs on 192.168 [03:09] yet our main network is 10.52 [03:09] how does the 192 lab get external access? [03:09] gateway [03:09] i assume your speaking of internet [03:09] so I just have to edit the config file for the gateway and dns, etc. [03:09] yes [03:09] and file servers [03:09] would they be able to get to our file servers in the 10.52 range [03:10] ur ISP normally runs at the 10.10.x.x range, and serves 192.168.x.x address to you. [03:11] it wouldn't be any different here [03:11] yeah, I just want to make sure if we use the 192 range on edubuntu labs that they can hit our file servers [03:11] the file servers being 10.52 [03:12] cept mine. mine tends to run address in the 192.168.x.x range and sometimes i'll punch in an address on my network and start getting private routers of other people that should be behind a proper network. it's weird how my ISP works [03:12] so if Im not on a domain, I need to create local users on the server itself [03:12] linux doesn't really use domains, but you do have that option [03:13] domains is a windows thing [03:13] iirc [03:13] I'd be adding ubuntu to the domain [03:13] via likewise open [03:13] its a project I was working on when I stumbled across LTSP [03:14] I was able to authenticate with domain users, etc, so I have a feeling if I add the main edubuntu server to the domain, Im hoping it'll authenticate downward to the thin client boxes accordingly [03:14] so that way students can come in, log in as THEMSELVES, and dot heir thing [03:14] do their* [03:15] u have gigabyte networking? [03:15] we do, but we have cat5 :( [03:15] we have gig switches and gear tho [03:15] are you talking authenticating to AD [03:15] yes [03:16] i'd read up [03:16] on what [03:16] i've never authenticated linux boxes on AD [03:16] oh [03:16] I'm not worried about that [03:16] likewise open is recommended by canonical [03:16] so i don't know how it works. i know of people that have [03:16] and its worked great for me so far [03:16] * Ahmuck searches on likewise open [03:17] I'm just ASSUMING that in this case since thin client users would be working from the edubuntu server, that if the edubuntu server is on the domain... it would authenticate them accordingly to Win AD [03:17] nice [03:17] looks like things have moved along quite well [03:17] I have to edit a concfig file [03:17] /etc/nsswitch [03:17] other than that, I install likewise open 6 and its good tog o [03:18] the version in software center is 5.4, which requires FAR more tweaking to work. 6 is more streamlined. [03:18] so are you planning on using network storage on another windows server? [03:18] yes [03:19] what do you hope to gain by using ltsp? [03:19] why use ltsp? [03:19] remember that ncomputing lab I spoke about? [03:19] it sucks [03:19] absolutely sucks [03:20] the district is trying to scale back spending costs hardcore, so my boss said "what if we add ubuntu to a few systems and see how it goes?" [03:20] I got ubuntu on a few systems and it works with AD. I have more testing to do, but Im more confident about using it on end systems than I originally was. [03:20] As a result, I got crossed up with LTSP and got a little curious. [03:20] It made me think of our ncomputing lab, whcih is used for general research and openoffice. Other than that it does nothing else. [03:20] We have to reboot it nearly twice a day for it to work. [03:21] It just sucks. So I thought, well what if we can incorporate LTSP there to replace ncomputing boxes [03:21] etc [03:21] well, when i had my ltsp server i didn't reboot unless i wanted to [03:21] so I have 2 ideas going on here. Adding Ubuntu (or even Edubuntu) onto ACTUAL laptops/desktops, and LTSP with thin clients [03:21] for labs [03:21] i ran a community lab as a test for a little bit [03:21] for about a year [03:21] is there a way to reboot LTSP without rebooting the system? [03:22] that'd be a question for a more experienced user [03:22] er, admin of ltsp [03:23] well [03:23] I'm the one in the department who messes with linux the most [03:23] I've used it for years [03:23] so even tho Im a desktop tech, this might get something dumped on my head as my boss wants met o start doing server stuff more [03:24] I've used linux file servers and whatnot for a long time. In fact, I'm more at home with linux in general than I am with windows [03:24] so that's why this project has my name all over it [03:24] I'm just curious if LTSP has a service associated with it, so I can just /etc/init.d/ltsp restart or something. [03:26] hrm, i don't recall if i still have ltsp running on this box or not [03:26] how manys ystems did you have on LTSP at that lab [03:26] that you ran [03:27] 8 [03:27] if you mean clients [03:28] did you run LTSP on a regular desktop? [03:28] yes [03:28] the server that is [03:28] was the server a regular desktop? [03:28] cause I'm trying to gauge if LTSP would do a better job handling 30 clients than ncomputing does [03:28] it was a gaming system with raided drives [03:29] i'd planned to get server, but bank screwed financing up, and so i gave it up after two weeks, put in on a gaming system i had, souped up, and never got around to ordering the server [03:29] did it dot he job? [03:30] yes [03:31] i had some client problems, and PR problems as well. when people heard "linux" they didn't show up often [03:33] I changed my IP range in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, but when I PXE boot its still pulling the old IP [03:33] where else should I change? [03:34] i don't recall. i don't have a ltsp system running anymore to check [03:38] heh, so i took the server to a LUG meeting, and connected it up to the switch, without realizing i'd connected the ltsp side. so it was serving IP addresses, and the router was trying to serve as well and it took two of us about 8 minutes to figure out i'd connected to the wrong nic [03:39] lol [03:39] nice [03:40] hm [03:40] I wonder why this pxe is pulling the old range [03:41] gtg, sorry [03:41] have work to complete this evening [03:41] thanks for the help bro [03:41] much appreciated [03:41] ping highvoltage [05:10] I thought italc was part of edubuntu? [05:21] Yes, it is [05:22] what? where is it? [05:23] It should be preinstalled. If not, apt-get install italc-master [05:24] whats crazy is I can see the benefit of LTSP in a home environment........ [05:25] flippin great [05:25] I get the same error with italc as I got before on ubuntu when I tried it a few months ago [05:25] no italc service running blah blah blah [05:27] That problem is easily solved... what I don't like about italc is that it crashes very, very frequently [05:27] how can I solve it [05:28] Open a terminal and run: ica-launcher & italc-launcher [05:28] same error [05:29] Put the output to pastebin [05:29] btw, is it not advised to run LTSP with the same username on each box? [05:29] Or here if it's just 1-2 lines [05:29] Yes, it's not [05:29] it comes back with [1] 3389 and goes back to terminal. [05:29] then it tries to start and errors [05:29] hm that may be a problem [05:29] as we have a guest account for users to access with [05:30] You can have different guest accounts for each station [05:30] this will be on a domain [05:30] our ubuntu setup that is [05:30] Firefox, gnome etc etc don't like the same user to be logged on multiple times [05:30] It's not related to LTSP, it's a more general problem [05:30] I see [05:30] I think we have the same problem on our ncomputing lab [05:31] ah well [05:31] well italc is still failing but its 1230 [05:31] screw it :P [05:31] The same is true for windows, it's not adviced to logon everywhere with the same user [05:31] You need different directories for the logged on users [05:32] yeah, we just have a generic domain account that we use for training days at work with the teachers [05:32] that was just a thought [05:32] anxious to get a real test environment set up tomorrow with LTSP [05:32] seems to be real solid [05:34] What are your client specs? cpu/ram? [05:35] well I dont have any thin client boxes. I'll probably be using some old towers at work. I know we have a few compaqs laying around with a 1.8ghz Pentium 4 proc with 512mb ram. [05:35] my test server will be a dual core box with 2gb of ram. This will be just a bench test in the tech room. [05:36] I'd use fat clients with that, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients [05:36] Our production server (if this takes off hardcore) is beefy. two quad cores, 32gb ram, and 4 gigabit network cards. [05:36] why would you use fat clients? [05:37] A full screen HD video needs half a gigabit bandwidth [05:37] these compaqs have 10/100 cards [05:37] bottlenecked @ 100 meg then [05:38] A classic divx video, 50 mbps bandwidth [05:38] 3D acceleration doesn't work well over the network [05:38] how do I throttle to use fat client or thin client [05:38] Etc, there are some drawbacks that made me decide, "if a client is good enough to run ubuntu from a usb stick, use it as a fat client, else, if it's too old, as a thin client' [05:39] can I make these adjustments on the fly? [05:39] can I set a lab to be fat clients and if its slow, switch them to thin clients? [05:39] Sure [05:39] wheres that done at? [05:39] They also switch automatically, i.e. if you boot a 256 ram client, it'll automatically boot as thin [05:39] LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in lts.conf [05:40] Read the docs. Just keep that link above in mind, so if thin clients don't behave very good for you, you can also test fat clients. [05:40] so anything above 256 defaults to fat? [05:40] FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD is the lts.conf directive for that [05:41] You can define it yourself [05:41] good deal [05:41] wheres lts.conf at [05:41] (I powered off my ltsp box) [05:42] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf [05:42] I meant like [05:42] /etc/lts.conf [05:42] or what [05:43] /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf [05:43] thanks [05:43] appreciate it [05:44] with that said, its bedtime [05:44] have a good one! [05:44] thanks again for your time [05:44] You're welcome === ogra is now known as Guest90542 === Guest90542 is now known as ogra_ [13:14] roasted_: pong [13:19] good morning everyone [13:27] hey highvoltage finally got inside ? [13:29] hey highvoltage and everyone [14:09] mgariepy: yep, eventually [14:09] doctormo: hey there, did you see the feedback I left you on the artwork channel yesterday? [14:09] whats up fellas [14:09] test drive of edubuntu is on the way. [14:10] highvoltage: The first batch, which I quickly modified the image for. did you see the next update? [14:10] nope [14:10] doctormo: oooh! [14:11] doctormo: can I put that into the daily builds so long? [14:12] doctormo: I like that you slanted that blue gradient a bit, it looks better considering the position of the sun, the stars closer to the bottom should probably be slightly dimmer though [14:13] (and maybe the sun should be slightly lower again so that it looks more like a sunrise, not 100% sure) [14:13] highvoltage: easy to fix. Best hold off on the daily build until the graphic is more done. [14:20] doctormo: ok [14:24] hey guys. I found some asus thin client boxes for 232 online. 1gb ram, 1.6ghz atom, no hdd from what I can tell. Are there any other companies that make comparable ones in the same price range of cheaper? Just trying to find some alternatives to compare here, even though I AM kind of an ASUS fanboy. [14:30] Roasted, i got the info, those thin client a more like 275$ then 200$ with the ram. === ogra_ is now known as ogra [14:33] mgariepy, the ASUS ones I was looking at? [14:33] http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=2159457&cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBase-_-Desktop%20Computers-_-2159457_ASUS%20Eee%20Box%20EB1007%20-%20Atom%20D410%201.66%20GHz_ASU-EB1007-B0200 [14:33] in fact that has a hdd [14:33] I thought it didnt [14:50] Roasted: u can build ur own fairly cheap [14:50] Ahmuck, hm, never thought about that. [14:51] if the cost savings are there to warrant it, I'd definitely be game for that. Did you have anything in particular in mind for doing it? Or were you talking going on newegg and getting a slew of cheap towers, cheap mobos, etc? [14:51] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008345%204027&IsNodeId=1&name=%2475%20-%20%24100 [14:51] 77.00 [14:51] Ahmuck: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [14:51] highvoltage: ? [14:52] uh oh [14:52] Ahmuck: those have Via Unichrome cards on board! No one should ever buy them. EVER! [14:52] ah [14:52] Ahmuck: if pure evil would exist, that would be it! [14:52] the work of the devil [14:52] are those video cards? [14:52] yep [14:53] highvoltage, are there any alternatives in the 200 or less range that compare to the ASUS EEE Box? 1.6ghz atom and 1gb RAM is what I'm aiming for with my research here. [14:53] the problem is that no one ever finished writing drivers for those cards [14:53] so you have very poor 2D performance and basically non-existant 3D capabilities [14:53] (as in, you can't even run compiz or play a youtube video with them) [14:54] gag [14:55] any others you recommend looking at? [14:55] Roasted: tell me which Asus box and i might be able to get you a discount [14:55] http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=2159457&cm_mmc=ShoppingFeeds-_-GoogleBase-_-Desktop%20Computers-_-2159457_ASUS%20Eee%20Box%20EB1007%20-%20Atom%20D410%201.66%20GHz_ASU-EB1007-B0200 [14:56] ya, sorry, i misread the brand [14:56] I'm an ASUS fanboy so I dig that unit, I'm just trying to look for other alternatives [14:59] its funny that the NComputing boxes we got were 224, and the ASUS ones I posted above are 233. [14:59] yet the ASUS is clearly better from a spec point of view [15:01] * Ahmuck sells aopen/acer [15:04] well, I'm open to all brands. [15:04] is there anything in aopen/acer thats int he price range? [15:04] 200 bones or so, 1gb ram, 1.6ghz atom? [15:08] looking [15:08] thanks bro [15:08] appreciate it [15:09] so far nothing [15:09] yeah I have a feeling that ASUS is quite a steal at that price [15:09] especially since its the same we paid for the L300';s from NComputing anyway [15:09] might try newegg and see what you can patch togather [15:10] yeah newegg kinda failed on me [15:10] wasnt able to find much [15:17] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119035 [15:17] highvoltage: [15:34] Ahmuck: that looks very nice, all it needs is cpu and ram! [15:42] highvoltage, what say you? should I bite it and go the asus route? [15:49] Roasted: I don't know, I don't usually trust something until I've had a unit on my desk and I've seen it working with my own two eyes :) [15:51] Roasted: usually it's best to just get one for testing and if it doesn't work satisfactory, return it [15:51] highvoltage, that's the plan. I'm just curious if there's a better-bang-for-the-buck, even from a testing standpoint, than this ASUS I'm eyeing up [15:51] since I know so little about thin client boxes I wasn't sure if there was something else I was missing, like another manufacturer that offers a better deal, etc. [16:00] all right... Edubuntu server is on the domain, however my thin client test subjects cannot log in to a domain account. MAJOR problem for us... any ideas on what it could be? [16:01] lol. wait. I need two back slashes it looks like [16:01] DOMAIN\\user_name [18:05] highvoltage: ping [18:08] highvoltage: There is an updated version for you to review, I'm happier now with how the leaf and the middle ground [18:08] they are more in line with the same art style [18:12] doctormo: love the bug :) [18:12] doctormo: yes it's much more rounded now [18:13] highvoltage: Yep, working on adding some subtle filling to the foreground to complete it. [18:13] Hopefully we'll have this done today... [18:13] then you can package? [18:15] doctormo: yep, great [18:57] highvoltage: OK, after some wrangling with the artwork team (peer review) that draft 4 done. [18:57] may i preview the art? [18:57] somewhere? [18:58] heh, cpu and ram ... ug [18:58] Ahmuck: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/edu/perspective.png [18:59] doctormo: yeah the ground does look better like that [19:11] Ahmuck: did you see the picture? [19:18] doctormo: what's the license for this wallpaper? [19:19] highvoltage: It's CC-BY-SA, unless that's a problem [19:19] doctormo: cc-by-sa would probably ideal since we already have it in the copyright file :) [19:19] doctormo: great :) [20:18] yes, seen it just now [20:28]