=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === sinzui changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contacts: wgrant | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [01:03] wgrant: this is the most concise I think I'll ever get a rule that matches virtually all of my feedback [01:03] wgrant: It seems to me Github people use Github as a coping mechanism for git, and Launchpad people use Bazaar and a coping mechanism for Launchpad. [01:03] wgrant: github users except lp to do lots of things lp users just defer to bzr for [01:04] lvh: I think that's a very good summary. [01:04] And sort of matches what I would expect, although I'd never thought of it quite like that before. [01:04] Yay [01:04] wgrant: It's true! Every workflow I've seen relies on github intricately [01:05] wgrant: git is just a tool of getting a bunch of revisioned working trees into github [01:05] so that magic can happen to it [01:05] Heh. [01:05] Yeah. [01:07] that being said pull requests 2.0 are better than I thought they were [01:07] apart from the bug tracker integration -- but that's just the bugtracker being useless [01:07] I haven't looked at them much, but they seem pretty nice. [01:07] Much better than when I looked at GitHub in depth a year or so ago, when 2.0 wasn't here yet. [01:08] wgrant: This is where the difference becomes obvious [01:08] lp sort of hides the diff all the way at the bottom [01:08] github shoves it in your face [01:08] When people on lp see a merge request they fire up bzr log, bzr diff... [01:08] or at least i do [01:09] I tend to scroll awkwardly between the comment box and diff. [01:09] what is good though is that they give you a timeline: you make a comment, some guy adds some commits, more comments [01:09] We have that too. [01:09] eh? [01:09] We also have intermediate diffs for pushes after the first comment, but they're not shown at the moment :( [01:09] I haven't seen that [01:10] oh, one more complaint that I hear a *lot* is that lp is slow [01:10] I don't notice it so much [01:10] It is slow. [01:10] its being worked on [01:10] It was *very* slow. [01:10] It's better now. [01:10] -major- focus [01:10] It is, indeed, THE focus at the moment. [01:11] wgrant: yeah, I know what you mean about "scroll awkwardly" [01:11] wgrant: sometimes I just open the same page in two tabs :/ [01:12] It almost seems like we need frames! [01:12] NOOOOOOOOOOOOO [01:12] I tend to make notes in gedit as I read the diff, and then cut-n-waste into the comment box [01:12] StevenK: ie. you need frames or a separate page. [01:12] wgrant: a similar complaint is actually about loggerhead being bad: it takes less clicks to get to a useful representation of a file in github [01:12] wgrant: Again, something which I would just use bzr for [01:12] wgrant: there are other options [01:13] wgrant: a UI that allows you to write comments directly attached to the bit of the diff you are commenting on, for instance [01:13] wgrant: about merge proposals: you're saying if I comment and then more commits are made and then there's another comment, you'll see the following: comment, commit, commit, commit, comment [01:13] right? [01:13] spiv: Indeed. Google Code has a nice thing for that. [01:13] lvh: yes. [01:13] I was finding an example... [01:14] https://code.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/strip-email-attachment-path/+merge/52159 [01:15] It may be hideously wide and not as pretty as GitHub's, but it's there :) [01:16] wgrant: Aha [01:17] Yeah [01:17] then it's just basically about the diff view being off (but again I just use bzr diff already) [01:17] because blue lines are better than a red line and a green line [01:17] wgrant: I suppose the diff could be a bit nicer: right now it's one diff, github has per-file diffs [01:17] It's minor, it's polish but polish counts :) [01:18] Yeah. [01:18] StevenK: you might like "It's All Text" a Firefox plugin that lets you edit text areas in your editor of choice (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/its-all-text/) [01:18] wgrant: then the only real difference left is per-line comments [01:18] lvh: How does GitHub handle those with mutating diffs? [01:19] wgrant: Not well. Comment vanishes. [01:19] Hah. [01:19] wgrant: The idea is understandable though [01:19] Oh, sure, it's a really nice feature. [01:19] As long as it doesn't do stuff like that. [01:19] wgrant: If someone commented on it, and then someone commits a change to it, they probably fixed the comment. [01:19] Hmm. [01:19] Except when they didn't, of course. [01:21] the most disheartening thing is that there is just so much hatred and vitriol [01:21] I'm trying to debug a small script. When Launchpad's +members page says there are X direct members of a team, does that include teams that are direct members of the team (the teams themselves, not the indirect members) [01:21] Meh, a year ago LP was even slower and going nowhere and the hatred and vitriol was probably justified. [01:22] wgrant: Yeah I think that's actually a really big part of the problem [01:22] wgrant: People used bzr like *years* ago [01:22] lp like *years* ago [01:22] nhandler: Yes, the teams themselves are included. [01:22] wgrant: this is a sample of the disheartening things I was talking about: https://twitter.com/#!/ewornj/status/45126731677437953 [01:23] at least this guy is constructive [01:23] lvh: And those people tell everyone else that bzr sucks and git is the One True VCS. [01:23] But then when you show the new people bzr... they love it. [01:23] I swear some of the feedback [01:23] I just thought [01:23] screw all of you people I'm going to go use SCCS [01:23] I don't *want* your stinking contributions [01:24] SCCS: At Least It's Not ClearCase! [01:24] I think the LP barrier would be somewhat lower if it supported third-party OpenID providers. [01:25] I use launchpad.net/~lvh for everything openid [01:25] That way people wouldn't really have to do much to use it. [01:25] easy to type [01:25] wgrant: Thanks a lot [01:26] wgrant: Don't you read hacker news [01:26] OpenID is DYING!!! [01:26] [01:27] yes, it sort of sucks, but it's not that bad. [01:27] Facebook Connect is the future! [01:27] lifeless: Let's move LP to Facebook Connect. [01:27] What could go wrong. [01:29] I started implementing oauth2.0 [01:29] And I ended up learning how to just get password storage right [01:29] becuase MAN. [01:30] It is seriously not possible for accessing people's tweets or facebook photos to be sufficiently profitable [06:27] is there a way to completly remove deleted pas from showing? === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [09:11] Hello, a very easy bug to confirm and fix: #731832 [09:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/+bug/731832 [09:11] Ubuntu bug 731832 in dee (Ubuntu) "Comma at end of enumerator list" [Undecided,New] [09:12] I hope someone will fix it, but it's not on-topic here. This is #launchpad, not an Ubuntu channel. [09:13] ooops right, wrong channel, I am sorry for the noise:( [09:13] (I need to practice saying things without sounding like an ass.) [09:13] jfi: You livened up a very boring morning. :) [09:15] Peng, there is no problem, I am very open to critic:) === adeuring1 is now known as adeuring [10:04] very open to critic? my ex wife as well they were very close === henninge_ is now known as henninge === henninge is now known as heninge-lunch === heninge-lunch is now known as henninge === jcsackett changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contacts: jcsackett | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ === matsubara_ is now known as matsubara === andreas__ is now known as ahasenack [15:37] Hello Forgotten your password? === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [15:40] Hello I dont receive my "Forgotten your password email account": for account ~openerp-online online@openerp.com but i receive all other noreply@launchpad.net notifications [15:53] Any one alive from launchpad here ? [15:58] * benji checks his pulse. [15:59] alopenerp: what's up? [15:59] benji: pulse racing yet? :-P [16:00] :) [16:01] jcsackett: I dont receive my "Forgotten your password email account": for account ~openerp-online online@openerp.com but i receive all other noreply@launchpad.net notifications [16:02] jcsackett: it'an non-human account we registered with a ssh key to commit things [16:02] jcsackett: and i dont remember it's password but i have access to its mailbox and the mailserver, i tail the logs of the mailserver and i dont see the mail [16:03] alopenerp: do you have any sort of spam or junk filtering? while it's the same address, content and other attributes on the email might vary. [16:03] so despite receiving other noreply msgs, that might get flagged. [16:06] alopenerp: i would also suggest checking out https://forms.canonical.com/lp-login-support/ [16:09] jcsackett: i tried for my account al@openerp.com ~al-openerp i receive the mail immediatly and it's the same server and same spamassin config [16:09] alopenerp: you have already used the lp-login-support? [16:10] jcsackett: but for online@openerp.com it doesnt work i'm not sure that ~openerp-online is linked to online@openerp.com [16:10] Thank you for your interest in Canonical Global Support Services. [16:10] A member of the Global Support Services team will be in touch shortly to discuss your needs. [16:10] But he cannot he doesnt even ask me my email [16:13] alopenerp: i'm looking into this; login however is handled by a separate SSO tool. [16:16] alopenerp: i have sent the ~openerp-online account an email from my account through the lp interface. can you verify that you receive an email (subject Test) from me? [16:18] or you can reply to it. :-) [16:29] alopenerp: so, this appears to be something i can't help you with. you can however get help with the sign on service in #canonical-isd [16:29] sorry i couldn't be more of a help. === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === sinzui changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contacts: sinzui | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [19:50] Hi. Launchpad didn't sign the packages I submitted to my PPA. The Release.gpg file wasn't generated: http://ppa.launchpad.net/paulo-matias/lua/ubuntu/dists/maverick. What should I do? Bump ppa1 to ppa2 and resubmit using dput? Or is there a better way to force a rebuild? [19:58] thotypous: Launchpad only starts generating a key for a PPA when the first package is uploaded. (This is because lots of people activate PPAs but never upload anything :-/ ) [19:58] Because of this, if the first package builds quickly, it may publish before there is a key [19:58] Anything which causes launchpad to republish the distroseries will cause signing to happen [19:59] A new upload will do, so will copying or deleting a package [19:59] maxb: thanks :) === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk [23:12] quick question, is it possible to have a team owning more than one PPA and restrict which users from that team could upload to a specific PPA? [23:12] or is the PPA access tight with the team itself [23:14] rsalveti, I guess it's tied to the team [23:14] rsalveti: access rights are for the whole team [23:14] Ursinha: sinzui: thanks :-) [23:14] np === mok0_ is now known as mok0