[01:17] <hajour> mm bad connections ?
[12:02] <phillw> Pendulum: could you PM me when you have time please.
[17:19] <phillw> Pendulum: ping
[17:47] <cprofitt> hey jono 
[17:48] <Pendulum> phillw: I'm dealing with some RL stuff, will you be around later?
[17:49] <phillw> Pendulum: Indeed I will be.
[17:51] <hajour> hai all
[17:53] <hajour> for to be clear i don't need a liasion
[17:53] <hajour> i can talk for myself thank you for the offer but no
[17:55] <hajour> i not want a other person between
 it makes things slow down and often things are give true wrong
[17:55] <hajour> what gives misunderstandings and problems
[18:14] <jledbetter> hajour, Understood :)
[18:16] <Pendulum> hajour: since I have no idea what anyone wants to talk to me about, know that I'm happy to talk to you too (I'm just not in any shape to do it right at this moment)
[18:20] <hajour> i know Pendulum  it was mend for info foe everybody
[18:20] <hajour> for i meant
[18:21] <hajour> i wonder who have that kind ideas often
[18:21] <hajour> i have already enough meetings don t need more
[18:22] <hajour> how shorter the line is.how faster things can be arranged
[18:24] <hajour> o btw jledbetter  could you help me with to check 1 of this days from something i need to write for the next ubt meeting?
[18:24] <hajour> or it is good english
[18:25] <jledbetter> hajour, Of course. I was wondering if this was related to last night's meeting or not. I'd be happy to help.
[18:25] <hajour> i have note s what need to be make better in ubt
[18:26] <hajour> for to be able to help people better
[18:26] <jledbetter> hajour, Sounds great. 
[18:27] <hajour> i will explain later i have to eat in about 10 minutes
[18:27] <hajour> o btw do they already know who become the 2 new council members?
[18:27] <jledbetter> hajour, No worries. I have a meeting soon anyway :) Can always email it to me.
[18:28] <jledbetter> hajour, Nope. Voting just opened. There are 5 up for it and one is me.
[18:28] <hajour> i not sure i have your email jledbetter 
[18:28] <jledbetter> Inc then :)
[18:28] <hajour> have you got a link jledbetter ? if i may vote
[18:29] <jledbetter> hajour, I got an email with a link generated just for me so I assumed everyone in the team did. Hm.
[18:29] <hajour> what means inc?
[18:30] <hajour> i will go check after diner then 
[18:30] <jledbetter> Sorry about that. inc means "incoming." I just gave it to you via PM
[18:30] <hajour> a ok thank you jledbetter 
[18:30] <jledbetter> Very welcome hajour 
[18:31] <hajour> o and Pendulum  i hope you will feel some better soon
[18:42] <AlanBell> jledbetter: is there a list of the candidates?
[18:43] <jledbetter> AlanBell, I only know of the list on the url where I vote and that's unique so I can't pass it around. Not sure why it's not in the email sent to everyone. Let me check the list again.
[18:45] <AlanBell> I am not on the UBT mailing list
[18:45] <AlanBell> if it is civs you should have a link to the results page which is not personal I think
[18:46] <AlanBell> id=E_6753d86bd0b619e3
[18:46] <AlanBell> that part, without the key is the poll ID
[18:47] <cprofitt> hey AlanBell 
[18:47] <AlanBell> hi cprofitt 
[18:52] <jledbetter> Ah, didn't know. Great :)
[18:53] <jledbetter> Nope, it wants both. 
[18:55] <jledbetter> It was: hggdh, silverfox, darkwingduck, pablo, me
[18:57] <AlanBell> I think results.pl is fine without the key, but vote.pl needs both
[18:57] <AlanBell> however that is the info I was after
[18:58] <AlanBell> testimonials could do with some padding out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jledbetter
[18:58] <jledbetter> AlanBell, Results page says "This poll (Ubuntu Beginners Team Council Election 2011) has not yet been ended by its supervisor, Nathan Handler (nhandler) (nhandler@ubuntu.com). The poll has been announced to end Wed Mar 23 23:59:59 UTC 2011." so that wouldn't work for seeing people either.
[18:59] <jledbetter> AlanBell, I know. I'm horrible about asking for them and only just added that a bit ago.
[18:59] <AlanBell> ah, ok
[18:59] <AlanBell> it is a good bit to add :)
[19:00] <AlanBell> have you announced to your loco team that you are standing and would appreciate testimonials?
[19:05] <jledbetter> Nope. Good idea again :) 
[22:18] <phillw> Pendulum: are you about, as this tired little drone needs to get some sleep :D
[22:18] <Pendulum> phillw: yep
[22:19] <phillw> jono: could you have a read of http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakonjoin
[22:20] <phillw> Pendulum: would you PM me please
[22:20] <jono> phillw, eh?
[22:20] <phillw> jono your cloak is not being applied!
[22:20] <jono> phillw, weird, I am registered with nickserv
[22:21] <jono> is it a big deal/
[22:21] <phillw> jono: not to me, but it gives your IP address away!
[22:22] <jono> phillw, I am not that bothered about that :-)
[22:22] <jono> one sec
[22:23] <jono> phillw, weird I am reg with nickserv, it should work
[22:26] <hajour> jono if they know your ip adress then its easier to hack you
[22:27] <AlanBell> I tried booting natty with the accessible option today
[22:27] <AlanBell> not a resounding success
[22:33] <AlanBell> you press space shortly after boot (no audio prompt or feedback)
[22:33] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Whats up with it?
[22:33] <AlanBell> then return for English, F5 for accessibility menu, down, down, down to choose screen reader, enter, enter to start running the live CD
[22:34] <AlanBell> then you get the drums and it says "Welcome to Orca. Current desktop environment is Unity. Orca Screen Reader slash Magnifier Frame. Preferences Button"
[22:34] <AlanBell> for a start, it isn't running Unity - I have no 3d drivers in the VM yet so it fell back to classic
[22:35] <TheMuso> Whoops, I need to address that a little better then. :)
[22:35] <AlanBell> it is just a crazy silent sequence to get it running
[22:35] <AlanBell> and it isn't helpful when it starts
[22:35] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Right, I have some ideas as to how that can be improved somewhat, but they will have to wait till the O cycle to do them.
[22:35] <TheMuso> How is it not helpful when it starts?
[22:35] <AlanBell> first thing I want it to say is "Welcome to *Ubuntu*"
[22:36] <TheMuso> That can be changed, but will break translations.
[22:36] <TheMuso> Not sure if its wise this late.
[22:36] <AlanBell> then "this is the Orca Screen reader, would you like to know how to use me?"
[22:36] <AlanBell> or something like that
[22:36] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Again, agreed. I wish I knew this earlier.
[22:36] <TheMuso> I could have had more time and allowance to fix such issues.
[22:37] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Plesae file a bug against Orca detailing your suggestinos.
[22:37] <TheMuso> gnome-orca even
[22:37] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/08/13/going-headless/
[22:37] <AlanBell> I will file a bug
[22:37] <AlanBell> or two
[22:37] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Thanks.
[22:38] <hajour> TheMuso,  have they solve the bug already?
[22:38] <TheMuso> hajour: WHich one?
[22:38] <hajour> from orca 
[22:38] <TheMuso> Which one?
[22:38] <hajour> you install it
[22:38] <hajour> then put it on
[22:38] <hajour> we lost by the hack all info
[22:39] <hajour> thats why i describe it
[22:39] <TheMuso> I still don't understand.
[22:39] <hajour> after a few seconds your pc shut down
[22:39] <hajour> you get orca from your pc
[22:39] <AlanBell> do you have a bug number hajour?
[22:39] <hajour> but the pc stays over sand over shutting down
[22:40] <hajour> not anymore hack remember
[22:40] <hajour> much damage by undifineds pc
[22:40] <hajour> it was direct to gnome
[22:40] <hajour> where we have report the bug to
[22:41] <AlanBell> who reported it?
[22:41] <hajour> UndiFineD, 
[22:42] <hajour> i hope it is resolved you see i need a speech program
[22:42] <hajour> i not remember good what i read
[22:42] <hajour> but what i hear i remember
[22:42] <hajour> is that understandable?
[22:44] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[22:44] <hajour> i mean have i explained it good?
[22:45] <AlanBell> I am unable to find any bugs on the gnome bugzilla containing an email address containing UndiFineD or dejong
[22:45] <hajour> TheMuso,  i not new you was informed of that,that's why i said it
[22:46] <hajour> because its probably his old email
[22:46] <hajour> and that email is destroyed
[22:47] <AlanBell> all I want to do is search for the bug
[22:47] <hajour> UndiFineD,  knows it his old email
[22:47] <AlanBell> is there anything you recall about the bug which might assist in searching for it?
[22:47] <hajour> its so bad we lost a lot by that hack
[22:48] <hajour> i have asked UndiFineD 
[22:48] <hajour> he is typing
[22:49] <UndiFineD> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621
[22:49] <ubot2> Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Resolved: invalid]
[22:49] <UndiFineD> but now that i have a different machine, and 2 reinstalls later, I cannot retreive any useful info anymore
[22:50] <AlanBell> ok, so that bug isn't an orca bug
[22:51] <AlanBell> and is a configuration issue on whatever machine it is
[22:51] <hajour> it was am pc
[22:51] <AlanBell> Launchpad is there so that bugs can be reproduced and improved before being pushed upstream
[22:51] <hajour> -m
[22:52] <hajour> UndiFineD,  and by my eeepc to/notebook
[23:05] <AlanBell> bug 732315
[23:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732315 in gnome-orca "Orca fails to pick up on fall back to 2d desktop from Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732315
[23:09] <UndiFineD> not the same, we dont use unity (yet), no mention of odd behaviour like being logged out
[23:09] <AlanBell> bug 732318
[23:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732318 in gnome-orca "Session starts with "Welcome to Orca" rather than "Welcome to Ubuntu"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732318
[23:10] <AlanBell> UndiFineD: I just filed that, your one would be solved with a clean install I expect
[23:10] <phillw> AlanBell: would you be so kind as to drop meetingology into ##sii-general (PM me if you want to what and why SII is).
[23:10] <AlanBell> it isn't a bug
[23:10] <UndiFineD> oh ok :)
[23:11] <UndiFineD> got you there AlanBell , I misunderstood
[23:12] <UndiFineD> the Welcome to Orca, isnt that a translation bug ? I think  I translated that to Orca in nl_NL too
[23:13] <AlanBell> no, it is going to be a controversial Ubuntu vs Gnome policy kind of bug I should think
[23:14] <AlanBell> and the tutorial thing would be a new feature really
[23:19] <AlanBell> bug 732320
[23:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732320 in ubiquity "no audio clues on how to get into the accessible install with screen reader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732320
[23:20] <hajour> well AlanBell  will you let me know if the important bugs are  resolved from orca? and i hope the voice is more improved
[23:20] <hajour> when i mean
[23:22] <hajour> i go try to sleep good night
[23:22] <AlanBell> the voice won't be improved in any orca bugs because that is not part of orca
[23:23] <hajour> where is the voice from then
[23:23] <hajour> AlanBell, 
[23:23] <AlanBell> espeak I think
[23:23] <hajour> mmm ok
[23:24] <AlanBell> but orca uses speech-dispatcher and by default speech dispatcher uses espeak
[23:24] <hajour> i wil talk to rainct then
[23:24] <AlanBell> which sounds pretty nasty, but is small and fits on the CD
[23:25] <hajour> tomorrow i go put a mail to speechcontrol team in evening
[23:25] <AlanBell> if you want orca with a nice voice then that needs a speech dispatcher plugin to be written that sends the text that orca wants to say over to openMary or something else
[23:25] <AlanBell> and no, openMary won't ever end up on the CD
[23:25] <hajour> i thought it was already made?
[23:26] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Espeak certainly isn't the best sounding synth around, but it is hella efficient at high speeds, something jstu about all human sounding synths can't manage.
[23:26] <AlanBell> yes, I understand that
[23:26] <AlanBell> how fast can you listen?
[23:27] <TheMuso> The well known IBM ViaVoice/Eloquence is based on similar technology to espeak, which is why its so damn popular.
[23:27] <TheMuso> Well I currently have espeak with speech-dispatcher crankced up to full. Not sure how many words per minute that is,.
[23:27] <TheMuso> gah typing.
[23:27] <TheMuso> AlanBell: And thanks for those bug refs, I will take a look at them now and process them accordingly.
[23:28] <hajour> http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2010/espeak-gui-0-2/comment-page-1/
[23:28] <hajour> thats the last i had get
[23:29] <hajour> AlanBell,  TheMuso ^
[23:29] <AlanBell> I don't understand hajour, what are we supposed to be looking at?
[23:29] <hajour> i dont know thats my question
[23:30] <hajour> i said i needed a light weight plugin
[23:30] <hajour> and get this link
[23:30] <hajour> so ....
[23:30] <hajour> what is the meaning from that
[23:30] <hajour> and how can that help me
[23:31] <hajour> there by it have such small fonts i cant read that
[23:33] <hajour> maybe weird questions
[23:33] <hajour> i don't know
[23:33] <AlanBell> I don't know either, it does not seem to relate to wanting a speech dispatcher interface to a different text to voice engine
[23:34] <hajour> well they had suggest espeak i told it was to heavy for my eeepc
[23:34] <AlanBell> espeak is very light
[23:34] <hajour> then they said there was a light waith plugin
[23:35] <AlanBell> I still think you need to get yourself a more suitable computer
[23:35] <hajour> espeak takes all on from gnome
[23:36] <hajour> what i not need 
[23:36] <hajour> and that makes it to heavy
[23:36] <AlanBell> espeak has gnome dependencies??
[23:36] <hajour> yes
[23:36] <AlanBell> espeak-gui perhaps
[23:37] <hajour> we had searched what was the problem you see
[23:37] <hajour> and discovered that if you instal espeak
[23:37] <hajour> espeak automatic download all from gnome
[23:38] <hajour> you cant stop it
[23:38] <AlanBell> I am surprised
[23:38] <hajour> result is you memory is full and then eeepc not working anyore result reinstall all
[23:38] <AlanBell> however, gnome is the default desktop
[23:39] <hajour> but you need not all from gnome
[23:39] <AlanBell> I will try it on a minimal or server install tomorrow
[23:39] <hajour> resolve the automatic download and then will espeak be useble for light weight pc s
[23:40] <AlanBell> what desktop are you using?
[23:40] <AlanBell> desktop environment, like KDE or something?
[23:40] <hajour> eeepc 901
[23:40] <hajour> lubuntu
[23:40] <AlanBell> hmm, lxde
[23:41] <AlanBell> I think we have an eeepc 901 somewhere
[23:41] <AlanBell> runs gnome just fine
[23:41] <hajour> KDE and ubuntu where to heavy
[23:41] <hajour> 1gb menory
[23:42] <hajour> memory
[23:42] <hajour> 16 gb harddisk
[23:42] <hajour> AlanBell, ⁶
[23:42] <hajour> ^
[23:43] <AlanBell> actually it isn't a 901 we have, it is an asus 1008HA
[23:43] <AlanBell> however 1gb memory is plenty for gnome, and 16GB disk is fine
[23:44] <hajour> i need also memory for files
[23:44] <hajour> lubuntu works good
[23:44] <hajour> but it cant handle if all from gnome comes in
[23:44] <AlanBell> yeah, feel free to use lubuntu if you prefer that
[23:45] <hajour> i not have a choice AlanBell 
[23:45] <hajour> with ubuntu i get many times screen freeze
[23:45] <AlanBell> however we are targetting the main audience on Ubuntu with Gnome
[23:45] <hajour> yes i know
[23:47] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:47] <hajour> o btw AlanBell  i go put in some to next ubuntu meeting about improve upstream guiding from ubt
[23:47] <hajour> night AlanBell 
[23:48] <hajour> i go sleep also
[23:49] <hajour> good night all or anway i go try