| coz_ | doctormo, sorry guy did you ask me to revive that desktop background? | 00:50 |
|---|---|---|
| coz_ | I know i just realized you had asked that and my attention was taken away from irc with family stuff | 00:51 |
| coz_ | oh review that background | 00:51 |
| coz_ | mmm | 00:51 |
| coz_ | good day all | 07:49 |
| coz_ | doctormo, are you available? | 09:02 |
| coz_ | hey all | 14:32 |
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| coz_ | hey all | 18:10 |
| coz_ | doctormo, ` did you want me to see something? | 18:10 |
| doctormo | coz_: yes I did | 18:10 |
| doctormo | http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/edu/perspective.png | 18:10 |
| coz_ | doctormo, oh! you added a lady bug :) | 18:11 |
| doctormo | ladybird, lady-bird! ;-) | 18:11 |
| coz_ | doctormo, one problem I see,,, to the right of the tree,, even though I know its meant to be a snow capped peak...it appears at first glance to be a piece of paper to the right of the tree | 18:12 |
| coz_ | doctormo, is th is an svg image originally? | 18:12 |
| doctormo | coz_: It is | 18:12 |
| coz_ | doctormo, a peice of paper? | 18:12 |
| doctormo | no, it is an svg | 18:13 |
| coz_ | oh :) | 18:13 |
| coz_ | doctormo, my opinion is to fill that w hie area to the right of the tree with the lightest or darkest green of the hills | 18:13 |
| coz_ | white area rather | 18:13 |
| coz_ | doctormo, other than that the composition is pretty solid.. | 18:14 |
| coz_ | doctormo, are you doing this in inkscape? | 18:16 |
| doctormo | yes | 18:16 |
| coz_ | doctormo, that must be painful to save ... it is slow in rendering with all of the gradients? | 18:17 |
| doctormo | not that many gradients, but blue in the back is a killer | 18:17 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:17 |
| doctormo | Put each part in a layer and switch off while I work on it | 18:18 |
| doctormo | total is only 100KB svg so far | 18:18 |
| vish | doctormo: (since opinions are free ;p ).. you might wanna also add a hint of shadow for the tentacles.. | 18:18 |
| doctormo | no wait 1.2MB | 18:18 |
| vish | doctormo: also, technically the moon cannot be visible when the sun in right next to it, its not a light source it reflects light, and the sickle-shape moon is not possible at the angle the shadow is what forms the sickle.. :) | 18:18 |
| coz_ | doctormo, wow yeah dont for get to vacuum defs | 18:18 |
| doctormo | vish: I know it's not physically possible. | 18:19 |
| vish | doctormo: if you want to show the moon, you could consider the shape as not a sickle, to the other half.. | 18:19 |
| coz_ | well the composition is pretty solid regardless of its non -naturalistic look | 18:19 |
| vish | yup.. | 18:19 |
| doctormo | vish: Can you provide an example shape? | 18:19 |
| * vish looks.. | 18:19 | |
| coz_ | well the sun is shining on the correct side of the moon | 18:21 |
| coz_ | I dont see much of a visual discrepancy here | 18:21 |
| vish | doctormo: http://visual.merriam-webster.com/images/astronomy/celestial-bodies/moon/phases-moon.jpg something like the second and fourth in the bottom row.. | 18:22 |
| darkmatter | doctormo: interesting composition, but it's lacking a powerpuff girl ;D *ducks* | 18:22 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:22 |
| coz_ | naked bodies | 18:22 |
| darkmatter | nekkid | 18:22 |
| coz_ | swing | 18:22 |
| coz_ | shwing | 18:22 |
| coz_ | doctormo, do you have something in mind for this image Edubuntu maybe? | 18:23 |
| coz_ | oh I see ... vish wants more realizm in an otherwise unrealistic piece :) | 18:24 |
| coz_ | vish, you are definitly evil dude :) | 18:24 |
| vish | coz_: nah, just an opinion, i dont expect doctormo to listen to me :) | 18:25 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:25 |
| vish | lets just leave it as an observation, rather than a critique.. ;) | 18:25 |
| coz_ | vish, ok but that doesnt sound as evil :) | 18:26 |
| vish | damn! | 18:26 |
| coz_ | vish, I think you will not lose that adjective | 18:26 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:26 |
| darkmatter | coz_: realism in the unrealistic is awesome. I do it daily ;) | 18:26 |
| vish | where are my evil pills! | 18:26 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:26 |
| === vish is now known as evilvish | ||
| evilvish | muuhhhaaaa! :D | 18:27 |
| coz_ | doctormo, one thing you could "trY' if you decide on the whole moon or not..is to set it behind the tree | 18:27 |
| coz_ | evilvish, lol | 18:27 |
| coz_ | evilvish, now I feel at home :) | 18:27 |
| coz_ | but the main thing I see as a problem is that white portion bottom right poking out from the tree | 18:28 |
| darkmatter | evilvish: welcome back, I missed you! let's go barbecue some kittens and catch up :D | 18:29 |
| evilvish | yumm | 18:29 |
| evilvish | huh, "dark"matter , "evil"vish … maybe we are clones ;p | 18:31 |
| darkmatter | hehe | 18:31 |
| coz_ | evilvish, ah doctormo must be editing the image as to our specifications...things are going as planned :) | 18:35 |
| evilvish | oh no! people should really not be listening to me :D | 18:35 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:35 |
| evilvish | coz_: do you know how to change the timing for the trailfocus compiz plugin? | 18:48 |
| coz_ | evilvish, ah let me check hold on | 18:48 |
| evilvish | it takes a couple of seconds to adjust when we bring the unfocussed window to focus.. i'm trying to see if i can have the change quicker | 18:48 |
| coz_ | evilvish, mm no settings in the plugin .. | 18:49 |
| evilvish | bah!.. | 18:49 |
| coz_ | evilvish, of course you could go the hard way and edit the xml for that plugin | 18:49 |
| coz_ | evilvish, you want this slowed down ,,, more speedy?? | 18:49 |
| evilvish | coz_: faster.. would i have to rebuild something? | 18:50 |
| coz_ | evilvish, I trhink if you edit the xml and just restart compiz it should work | 18:50 |
| * evilvish goes looking for the xml files.. | 18:50 | |
| coz_ | evilvish, check for the conf file also ...looking here myself | 18:50 |
| coz_ | evilvish, the xml should be under /usr/share/compiz | 18:51 |
| coz_ | oo maybe the .so file as well let me open that to check | 18:52 |
| evilvish | coz_: and the conf file? | 18:52 |
| coz_ | evilvish, well I did find the libtrailfocus.so under /usr/lib/compiz let me check that first | 18:53 |
| doctormo | Yes the target is the Edubuntu wallpaper | 18:55 |
| doctormo | I've updated it with your suggestions | 18:55 |
| coz_ | doctormo, I suspected that :) | 18:55 |
| doctormo | And some of my own wrangling | 18:55 |
| coz_ | cool | 18:55 |
| doctormo | coz_: This was the concept they choose out of the 5 I presented to them | 18:55 |
| coz_ | doctormo, the biggest issue was that white area bottom right,, | 18:55 |
| coz_ | doctormo, ah ok that's cool | 18:55 |
| coz_ | doctormo, it will work for younger kids :) | 18:55 |
| coz_ | evilvish, in the xml file I beieve line 185 <max>150</max> would change the duration | 18:56 |
| coz_ | let me make sure | 18:57 |
| evilvish | i think thats the number of windows to track.. | 18:58 |
| coz_ | yeah sorry | 18:58 |
| evilvish | looks like the .so needs to be edited :( | 18:58 |
| coz_ | I would think duration is in there somewhere | 18:58 |
| coz_ | probably along with the xml | 18:58 |
| coz_ | evilvish, sam is probably asleep right now | 18:59 |
| evilvish | aww.. | 18:59 |
| coz_ | evilvish, well he is in austrailia and believe,, at least from this time zone it is 13 hours ahead of me | 18:59 |
| coz_ | fo rnow 2 pm so sam is 3 am | 19:00 |
| coz_ | evilvish, i have not had to play with t his particular plugins xml or .so before | 19:00 |
| coz_ | evilvish, generally it was animations before 0.9.x came out | 19:01 |
| evilvish | coz_: ok, no worries ;) | 19:01 |
| coz_ | evilvish, is this 0.8 or 0.9 ? | 19:01 |
| evilvish | 0.8 | 19:01 |
| coz_ | ah | 19:01 |
| evilvish | i'm still in maverick | 19:01 |
| evilvish | only using VM for natty | 19:01 |
| coz_ | evilvish, you can install 0.9.x there with a script | 19:02 |
| coz_ | oh | 19:02 |
| coz_ | evilvish, git clone git://anongit.compiz.org/users/soreau/scripts | 19:02 |
| evilvish | yea, i did think of getting compiz to 0.9 but then i just got lazy and was wondering if it might cause other problems.. | 19:03 |
| coz_ | evilvish, just run the ./build_compiz++ , it will then generate several more scripts in that folder ,, one for the compiz_addons++ for experimental ones | 19:03 |
| evilvish | coz_: how has it been for you? | 19:03 |
| coz_ | evilvish, its fine and that script will install it into /opt so it doesnt interfere with the 0.8 installation | 19:03 |
| coz_ | evilvish, to start it would be /opt/compiz++/bin/compiz++ | 19:03 |
| coz_ | evilvish, you may find it much snappier and les resource intensive than 0.8.x | 19:04 |
| coz_ | less | 19:04 |
| evilvish | coz_: ok, so i'd need to start compiz .9 every time i boot? | 19:04 |
| coz_ | evilvish, one warning... it takes a fairly long time to compile | 19:04 |
| coz_ | evilvish, no | 19:04 |
| evilvish | cool! | 19:04 |
| coz_ | evilvish, unless you wanted it to start up automatically | 19:04 |
| coz_ | evilvish, that soreau's script is about the only script I truly trust | 19:05 |
| evilvish | ok.. :) | 19:05 |
| coz_ | evilvish, he is pretty diligent at keeping up with it | 19:06 |
| coz_ | rather keeping it current | 19:07 |
| evilvish | hmm, deps fail :s | 19:08 |
| coz_ | evilvish, o0 | 19:08 |
| darkmatter | coz_: I used to use his script all the time :) | 19:08 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, very reliable | 19:08 |
| evilvish | oh wait, i had my own gtk | 19:08 |
| coz_ | evilvish, this is ubuntu ...yes? | 19:08 |
| evilvish | hehe! i had patch a gtk and the ~ppa is breaking it | 19:08 |
| darkmatter | yesh | 19:08 |
| evilvish | patched* | 19:08 |
| coz_ | oh!!! | 19:09 |
| coz_ | ppapurge :) | 19:09 |
| evilvish | hmm, not a bad idea.. i can downgrade to stock and then again install my deb | 19:10 |
| coz_ | evilvish, the script should automatically detect which dependencies and install them | 19:11 |
| evilvish | yea it did.. but my gtk ppa was the prob :) | 19:11 |
| coz_ | yuk understood | 19:11 |
| doctormo | evilvish: At least you didn't have to build a dkms package today out of a fresh wacom kernel module :-( | 19:11 |
| coz_ | I hate errors :) | 19:11 |
| evilvish | doctormo: you still having problems with the wacom? is it fully supported yet? | 19:12 |
| coz_ | it better be | 19:12 |
| doctormo | evilvish: These weren't for my problems, these were updated for other people. Lucid and Maverick kernel module upgrades | 19:13 |
| evilvish | ah! | 19:13 |
| doctormo | I creamed a few people's wacom support by including my Makefile. | 19:13 |
| coz_ | I would be very very angry with that :) | 19:13 |
| doctormo | and so I had to post a new version with that fixes and hopefully everyone will get the updated dkms today. | 19:13 |
| coz_ | doctormo, 11.04 ? | 19:13 |
| doctormo | Well you can't be too angry, I'm looking after wacom-plus support for older ubuntu's. Much more than Ubuntu mainline is doing. | 19:14 |
| doctormo | In my spare time, for an issue that doesn't actually effect me ;-) | 19:14 |
| coz_ | doctormo, oh very nice of you | 19:14 |
| doctormo | 10.04 and 10.10, 11.04 has the new kernel driver anyway. | 19:14 |
| doctormo | Basically it's to support all these newer bamboo devices that came out since 2.6.30 released. | 19:15 |
| coz_ | doctormo, ok yeah that I understand... I have intuos | 19:16 |
| coz_ | so probably not effected | 19:16 |
| doctormo | prob not, if you find your keys cause the mouse to jump to 0,0 then you're suffering from the xorg driver bug. | 19:16 |
| doctormo | Which I also fix in my ppa wacom-plus | 19:16 |
| coz_ | doctormo, oh I have seen on both lucid and maverick as well as natty a cursor jump like that random it appears | 19:17 |
| coz_ | doctormo, then I will try your ppa | 19:17 |
| doctormo | What version of xserver-xorg-input-wacom are they shipping in natty? | 19:17 |
| coz_ | ah not sure let me try to check on that system | 19:18 |
| coz_ | doctormo, xorg-server 1.9.99.902 | 19:19 |
| doctormo | coz_: that's the version of xorg, what's the driver version? | 19:20 |
| coz_ | oh wait wrong thing | 19:20 |
| coz_ | doctormo, 1:0.10.11-ubuntu3 | 19:21 |
| doctormo | Looks like the same version as my ppa, perhaps I have a patch... although I don't think so. | 19:22 |
| coz_ | ok | 19:22 |
| doctormo | coz_: try it and let me know, it'll be fun to see if it fixes issues in natty. Although you should certainly report them too as a bug report. | 19:23 |
| coz_ | doctormo, sure no problem... do you have ppa link? | 19:23 |
| doctormo | https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/wacom-plus/+packages | 19:24 |
| doctormo | I published a natty version too, just in case | 19:24 |
| coz_ | doctormo, ok bookmarked,,, will try to get to it t his evening | 19:24 |
| darkmatter | damn. gotta think of a name for my wm/environment (technically a windowmanager based environment as opposed to a "omg! it's a desktop!" thingy :P) | 19:29 |
| coz_ | :) | 19:30 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, how about "Darkmatter" | 19:30 |
| evilvish | coz_: found the desktop team's ppa for 0.9, but does 0.9 have the show desktop plugin? i cant see any -extra's package | 19:32 |
| coz_ | evilvish, well it should be in there... or the compiz ++ addons are you not going to use the script? | 19:33 |
| evilvish | hehe! i'm lazy :D | 19:33 |
| coz_ | evilvish, the compi_addons++ script will install all of the extras and experimentals | 19:33 |
| coz_ | evilvish, there is quite a number of them | 19:33 |
| evilvish | coz_: i tried to downgrade, but that broke the packages.. and ppa seemed easier than | 19:33 |
| coz_ | oooo | 19:33 |
| evilvish | downgrade the gtk | 19:33 |
| coz_ | damn | 19:34 |
| coz_ | evilvish, I believe there are tarballs let me check | 19:34 |
| * evilvish also looks in debian | 19:34 | |
| darkmatter | coz_: lol. I was thinking something more "freedom inducing" n "open". since there is no "desktop" in the traditional sense (well there's the display area, which can host/embed a ton of junk, but it's decidedly not traditional), and since it's more of a "going places/doing things" mentality as opposed to "running apps" (you already know my "emotive metaphor" direction) I want something that damn near screams "I'M FREE AT LAST!" | 19:34 |
| darkmatter | and* | 19:34 |
| coz_ | evilvish, http://lists.compiz.org/pipermail/community/2010-October/000253.html | 19:35 |
| coz_ | wow he pushed in my icons..cool | 19:36 |
| evilvish | wheeee! lets see how this goes.. :D | 19:37 |
| coz_ | :) | 19:37 |
| coz_ | evilvish, make sure you dont install to the same directory as the 0.8.x | 19:37 |
| coz_ | you dont want complications | 19:38 |
| evilvish | coz_: i think if i do it with the ppa it will do that.. | 19:38 |
| coz_ | evilvish, ppa for compiz 0.9? | 19:38 |
| evilvish | but i'm not able to build either :( | 19:38 |
| coz_ | evilvish, oh no | 19:38 |
| evilvish | coz_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa | 19:38 |
| coz_ | evilvish, time for reinstallation | 19:38 |
| evilvish | coz_: whaaaa? | 19:39 |
| * evilvish stopped update ;) | 19:39 | |
| coz_ | evilvish, doesnt look like a compiz ppa | 19:39 |
| evilvish | coz_: thats from didrocks | 19:39 |
| coz_ | evilvish, last ppa was from sam and even he didnt suggest using it | 19:39 |
| evilvish | desktop team | 19:39 |
| coz_ | ah ok | 19:39 |
| evilvish | <coz_> evilvish, time for reinstallation « this would be only for reinstallation of compiz right? | 19:40 |
| coz_ | ah that ppa is naming the compiz-fusion-plugins-main incorrectly | 19:40 |
| coz_ | evilvish, no silly,,, the entire system | 19:40 |
| coz_ | :) | 19:40 |
| evilvish | ok.. not playing with compiz … | 19:41 |
| coz_ | the plugins should now just be compiz-plugins-main compiz-plugins-extra etc | 19:41 |
| evilvish | coz_: thats how the plugins are in ubuntu | 19:41 |
| coz_ | evilvish, ah ok | 19:41 |
| evilvish | coz_: http://releases.compiz.org/components/plugins-extra/ | 19:41 |
| coz_ | the project dropped the "fusion" part quite a while ago | 19:41 |
| coz_ | good | 19:42 |
| evilvish | well, atleast the 0.8 ones.. so maybe he just made sure it re-wrote tbe old ones.. | 19:42 |
| evilvish | s/tbe/the | 19:42 |
| coz_ | when I think back a few years about the headaches we had with the naming of the project and the in house arguing ,, and now we are back to "compiz" | 19:43 |
| evilvish | heh, planet fedora is on fire! ;) | 19:43 |
| coz_ | oh! | 19:44 |
| coz_ | ok I have to break here ,, be back in about an hour hopefully less | 19:45 |
| thorwil | bitching about a so called "we know what's best for you" attitude is a common problem | 19:46 |
| thorwil | it's as if people don't get that designers *must* decide for others. there simply is no way around that | 19:47 |
| evilvish | actually shell has some interesting ideas, it is a start but not yet a complete concept.. | 19:49 |
| evilvish | if people just want everything the same way, then what is gonna be changed? we'd just have people going OOOHH ahhh over wallpapers ;p | 19:50 |
| * evilvish goes back to readin thorwil's post.. | 19:50 | |
| thorwil | i have no problem with people complaining about gnome shell. i might join, even. but that the criticism is presented so poorly, mixed with very dumb slogans is saddening | 19:52 |
| evilvish | yup.. i'm not saying shell is perfect.. :) but yea criticism is horrid | 19:53 |
| evilvish | we could just call it name calling ;p | 19:53 |
| evilvish | the funny thing was someone commented on an Ubuntu bug today about Unity | 19:54 |
| * evilvish finds the bugs.. | 19:54 | |
| thorwil | name calling is better, because there's no pretense of having an actual argument in it | 19:54 |
| evilvish | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/715001/comments/6 one hr later he was filing another Unity bug!!! | 19:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 715001 in unity "DesktopMenu should have a title" [Medium,Opinion] | 19:56 |
| evilvish | as if Mark is going to get scared since he wants to switch to Win7 hehe! | 19:56 |
| thorwil | if mark can't collect enough souls, he can't transform into a super gagajin and steve ballmer might succeed instead!!! | 19:58 |
| doctormo | thorwil: You mean Mark won't be able to go Malphas? | 20:19 |
| thorwil | doctormo: isn't the usual path in that direction via becoming a lawyer? | 20:21 |
| doctormo | thorwil: No, collect 20 souls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-S_6qt44c | 20:22 |
| doctormo | I enjoyed the time I went malphas and killed about 60 people, oh fun fun. | 20:23 |
| doctormo | Lots of lovely souls, nom, nom. | 20:23 |
| thorwil | lol | 20:23 |
| doctormo | By the way, have you seen this thorwil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5P7RsC9TI | 20:23 |
| thorwil | rofl | 20:24 |
| thorwil | doctormo: i have, but it has been a while | 20:25 |
| doctormo | Bill Baily is A+ in my book, his black books is great too. | 20:26 |
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