[00:50] doctormo, sorry guy did you ask me to revive that desktop background? [00:51] I know i just realized you had asked that and my attention was taken away from irc with family stuff [00:51] oh review that background [00:51] mmm [07:49] good day all [09:02] doctormo, are you available? [14:32] hey all === iainfarrell1 is now known as iainfarrell [18:10] hey all [18:10] doctormo, ` did you want me to see something? [18:10] coz_: yes I did [18:10] http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/edu/perspective.png [18:11] doctormo, oh! you added a lady bug :) [18:11] ladybird, lady-bird! ;-) [18:12] doctormo, one problem I see,,, to the right of the tree,, even though I know its meant to be a snow capped peak...it appears at first glance to be a piece of paper to the right of the tree [18:12] doctormo, is th is an svg image originally? [18:12] coz_: It is [18:12] doctormo, a peice of paper? [18:13] no, it is an svg [18:13] oh :) [18:13] doctormo, my opinion is to fill that w hie area to the right of the tree with the lightest or darkest green of the hills [18:13] white area rather [18:14] doctormo, other than that the composition is pretty solid.. [18:16] doctormo, are you doing this in inkscape? [18:16] yes [18:17] doctormo, that must be painful to save ... it is slow in rendering with all of the gradients? [18:17] not that many gradients, but blue in the back is a killer [18:17] :) [18:18] Put each part in a layer and switch off while I work on it [18:18] total is only 100KB svg so far [18:18] doctormo: (since opinions are free ;p ).. you might wanna also add a hint of shadow for the tentacles.. [18:18] no wait 1.2MB [18:18] doctormo: also, technically the moon cannot be visible when the sun in right next to it, its not a light source it reflects light, and the sickle-shape moon is not possible at the angle the shadow is what forms the sickle.. :) [18:18] doctormo, wow yeah dont for get to vacuum defs [18:19] vish: I know it's not physically possible. [18:19] doctormo: if you want to show the moon, you could consider the shape as not a sickle, to the other half.. [18:19] well the composition is pretty solid regardless of its non -naturalistic look [18:19] yup.. [18:19] vish: Can you provide an example shape? [18:19] * vish looks.. [18:21] well the sun is shining on the correct side of the moon [18:21] I dont see much of a visual discrepancy here [18:22] doctormo: http://visual.merriam-webster.com/images/astronomy/celestial-bodies/moon/phases-moon.jpg something like the second and fourth in the bottom row.. [18:22] doctormo: interesting composition, but it's lacking a powerpuff girl ;D *ducks* [18:22] :) [18:22] naked bodies [18:22] nekkid [18:22] swing [18:22] shwing [18:23] doctormo, do you have something in mind for this image Edubuntu maybe? [18:24] oh I see ... vish wants more realizm in an otherwise unrealistic piece :) [18:24] vish, you are definitly evil dude :) [18:25] coz_: nah, just an opinion, i dont expect doctormo to listen to me :) [18:25] :) [18:25] lets just leave it as an observation, rather than a critique.. ;) [18:26] vish, ok but that doesnt sound as evil :) [18:26] damn! [18:26] vish, I think you will not lose that adjective [18:26] :) [18:26] coz_: realism in the unrealistic is awesome. I do it daily ;) [18:26] where are my evil pills! [18:26] :) === vish is now known as evilvish [18:27] muuhhhaaaa! :D [18:27] doctormo, one thing you could "trY' if you decide on the whole moon or not..is to set it behind the tree [18:27] evilvish, lol [18:27] evilvish, now I feel at home :) [18:28] but the main thing I see as a problem is that white portion bottom right poking out from the tree [18:29] evilvish: welcome back, I missed you! let's go barbecue some kittens and catch up :D [18:29] yumm [18:31] huh, "dark"matter , "evil"vish … maybe we are clones ;p [18:31] hehe [18:35] evilvish, ah doctormo must be editing the image as to our specifications...things are going as planned :) [18:35] oh no! people should really not be listening to me :D [18:35] :) [18:48] coz_: do you know how to change the timing for the trailfocus compiz plugin? [18:48] evilvish, ah let me check hold on [18:48] it takes a couple of seconds to adjust when we bring the unfocussed window to focus.. i'm trying to see if i can have the change quicker [18:49] evilvish, mm no settings in the plugin .. [18:49] bah!.. [18:49] evilvish, of course you could go the hard way and edit the xml for that plugin [18:49] evilvish, you want this slowed down ,,, more speedy?? [18:50] coz_: faster.. would i have to rebuild something? [18:50] evilvish, I trhink if you edit the xml and just restart compiz it should work [18:50] * evilvish goes looking for the xml files.. [18:50] evilvish, check for the conf file also ...looking here myself [18:51] evilvish, the xml should be under /usr/share/compiz [18:52] oo maybe the .so file as well let me open that to check [18:52] coz_: and the conf file? [18:53] evilvish, well I did find the libtrailfocus.so under /usr/lib/compiz let me check that first [18:55] Yes the target is the Edubuntu wallpaper [18:55] I've updated it with your suggestions [18:55] doctormo, I suspected that :) [18:55] And some of my own wrangling [18:55] cool [18:55] coz_: This was the concept they choose out of the 5 I presented to them [18:55] doctormo, the biggest issue was that white area bottom right,, [18:55] doctormo, ah ok that's cool [18:55] doctormo, it will work for younger kids :) [18:56] evilvish, in the xml file I beieve line 185 150 would change the duration [18:57] let me make sure [18:58] i think thats the number of windows to track.. [18:58] yeah sorry [18:58] looks like the .so needs to be edited :( [18:58] I would think duration is in there somewhere [18:58] probably along with the xml [18:59] evilvish, sam is probably asleep right now [18:59] aww.. [18:59] evilvish, well he is in austrailia and believe,, at least from this time zone it is 13 hours ahead of me [19:00] fo rnow 2 pm so sam is 3 am [19:00] evilvish, i have not had to play with t his particular plugins xml or .so before [19:01] evilvish, generally it was animations before 0.9.x came out [19:01] coz_: ok, no worries ;) [19:01] evilvish, is this 0.8 or 0.9 ? [19:01] 0.8 [19:01] ah [19:01] i'm still in maverick [19:01] only using VM for natty [19:02] evilvish, you can install 0.9.x there with a script [19:02] oh [19:02] evilvish, git clone git://anongit.compiz.org/users/soreau/scripts [19:03] yea, i did think of getting compiz to 0.9 but then i just got lazy and was wondering if it might cause other problems.. [19:03] evilvish, just run the ./build_compiz++ , it will then generate several more scripts in that folder ,, one for the compiz_addons++ for experimental ones [19:03] coz_: how has it been for you? [19:03] evilvish, its fine and that script will install it into /opt so it doesnt interfere with the 0.8 installation [19:03] evilvish, to start it would be /opt/compiz++/bin/compiz++ [19:04] evilvish, you may find it much snappier and les resource intensive than 0.8.x [19:04] less [19:04] coz_: ok, so i'd need to start compiz .9 every time i boot? [19:04] evilvish, one warning... it takes a fairly long time to compile [19:04] evilvish, no [19:04] cool! [19:04] evilvish, unless you wanted it to start up automatically [19:05] evilvish, that soreau's script is about the only script I truly trust [19:05] ok.. :) [19:06] evilvish, he is pretty diligent at keeping up with it [19:07] rather keeping it current [19:08] hmm, deps fail :s [19:08] evilvish, o0 [19:08] coz_: I used to use his script all the time :) [19:08] darkmatter, very reliable [19:08] oh wait, i had my own gtk [19:08] evilvish, this is ubuntu ...yes? [19:08] hehe! i had patch a gtk and the ~ppa is breaking it [19:08] yesh [19:08] patched* [19:09] oh!!! [19:09] ppapurge :) [19:10] hmm, not a bad idea.. i can downgrade to stock and then again install my deb [19:11] evilvish, the script should automatically detect which dependencies and install them [19:11] yea it did.. but my gtk ppa was the prob :) [19:11] yuk understood [19:11] evilvish: At least you didn't have to build a dkms package today out of a fresh wacom kernel module :-( [19:11] I hate errors :) [19:12] doctormo: you still having problems with the wacom? is it fully supported yet? [19:12] it better be [19:13] evilvish: These weren't for my problems, these were updated for other people. Lucid and Maverick kernel module upgrades [19:13] ah! [19:13] I creamed a few people's wacom support by including my Makefile. [19:13] I would be very very angry with that :) [19:13] and so I had to post a new version with that fixes and hopefully everyone will get the updated dkms today. [19:13] doctormo, 11.04 ? [19:14] Well you can't be too angry, I'm looking after wacom-plus support for older ubuntu's. Much more than Ubuntu mainline is doing. [19:14] In my spare time, for an issue that doesn't actually effect me ;-) [19:14] doctormo, oh very nice of you [19:14] 10.04 and 10.10, 11.04 has the new kernel driver anyway. [19:15] Basically it's to support all these newer bamboo devices that came out since 2.6.30 released. [19:16] doctormo, ok yeah that I understand... I have intuos [19:16] so probably not effected [19:16] prob not, if you find your keys cause the mouse to jump to 0,0 then you're suffering from the xorg driver bug. [19:16] Which I also fix in my ppa wacom-plus [19:17] doctormo, oh I have seen on both lucid and maverick as well as natty a cursor jump like that random it appears [19:17] doctormo, then I will try your ppa [19:17] What version of xserver-xorg-input-wacom are they shipping in natty? [19:18] ah not sure let me try to check on that system [19:19] doctormo, xorg-server 1.9.99.902 [19:20] coz_: that's the version of xorg, what's the driver version? [19:20] oh wait wrong thing [19:21] doctormo, 1:0.10.11-ubuntu3 [19:22] Looks like the same version as my ppa, perhaps I have a patch... although I don't think so. [19:22] ok [19:23] coz_: try it and let me know, it'll be fun to see if it fixes issues in natty. Although you should certainly report them too as a bug report. [19:23] doctormo, sure no problem... do you have ppa link? [19:24] https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/wacom-plus/+packages [19:24] I published a natty version too, just in case [19:24] doctormo, ok bookmarked,,, will try to get to it t his evening [19:29] damn. gotta think of a name for my wm/environment (technically a windowmanager based environment as opposed to a "omg! it's a desktop!" thingy :P) [19:30] :) [19:30] darkmatter, how about "Darkmatter" [19:32] coz_: found the desktop team's ppa for 0.9, but does 0.9 have the show desktop plugin? i cant see any -extra's package [19:33] evilvish, well it should be in there... or the compiz ++ addons are you not going to use the script? [19:33] hehe! i'm lazy :D [19:33] evilvish, the compi_addons++ script will install all of the extras and experimentals [19:33] evilvish, there is quite a number of them [19:33] coz_: i tried to downgrade, but that broke the packages.. and ppa seemed easier than [19:33] oooo [19:33] downgrade the gtk [19:34] damn [19:34] evilvish, I believe there are tarballs let me check [19:34] * evilvish also looks in debian [19:34] coz_: lol. I was thinking something more "freedom inducing" n "open". since there is no "desktop" in the traditional sense (well there's the display area, which can host/embed a ton of junk, but it's decidedly not traditional), and since it's more of a "going places/doing things" mentality as opposed to "running apps" (you already know my "emotive metaphor" direction) I want something that damn near screams "I'M FREE AT LAST!" [19:34] and* [19:35] evilvish, http://lists.compiz.org/pipermail/community/2010-October/000253.html [19:36] wow he pushed in my icons..cool [19:37] wheeee! lets see how this goes.. :D [19:37] :) [19:37] evilvish, make sure you dont install to the same directory as the 0.8.x [19:38] you dont want complications [19:38] coz_: i think if i do it with the ppa it will do that.. [19:38] evilvish, ppa for compiz 0.9? [19:38] but i'm not able to build either :( [19:38] evilvish, oh no [19:38] coz_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa [19:38] evilvish, time for reinstallation [19:39] coz_: whaaaa? [19:39] * evilvish stopped update ;) [19:39] evilvish, doesnt look like a compiz ppa [19:39] coz_: thats from didrocks [19:39] evilvish, last ppa was from sam and even he didnt suggest using it [19:39] desktop team [19:39] ah ok [19:40] evilvish, time for reinstallation « this would be only for reinstallation of compiz right? [19:40] ah that ppa is naming the compiz-fusion-plugins-main incorrectly [19:40] evilvish, no silly,,, the entire system [19:40] :) [19:41] ok.. not playing with compiz … [19:41] the plugins should now just be compiz-plugins-main compiz-plugins-extra etc [19:41] coz_: thats how the plugins are in ubuntu [19:41] evilvish, ah ok [19:41] coz_: http://releases.compiz.org/components/plugins-extra/ [19:41] the project dropped the "fusion" part quite a while ago [19:42] good [19:42] well, atleast the 0.8 ones.. so maybe he just made sure it re-wrote tbe old ones.. [19:42] s/tbe/the [19:43] when I think back a few years about the headaches we had with the naming of the project and the in house arguing ,, and now we are back to "compiz" [19:43] heh, planet fedora is on fire! ;) [19:44] oh! [19:45] ok I have to break here ,, be back in about an hour hopefully less [19:46] bitching about a so called "we know what's best for you" attitude is a common problem [19:47] it's as if people don't get that designers *must* decide for others. there simply is no way around that [19:49] actually shell has some interesting ideas, it is a start but not yet a complete concept.. [19:50] if people just want everything the same way, then what is gonna be changed? we'd just have people going OOOHH ahhh over wallpapers ;p [19:50] * evilvish goes back to readin thorwil's post.. [19:52] i have no problem with people complaining about gnome shell. i might join, even. but that the criticism is presented so poorly, mixed with very dumb slogans is saddening [19:53] yup.. i'm not saying shell is perfect.. :) but yea criticism is horrid [19:53] we could just call it name calling ;p [19:54] the funny thing was someone commented on an Ubuntu bug today about Unity [19:54] * evilvish finds the bugs.. [19:54] name calling is better, because there's no pretense of having an actual argument in it [19:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/715001/comments/6 one hr later he was filing another Unity bug!!! [19:56] Launchpad bug 715001 in unity "DesktopMenu should have a title" [Medium,Opinion] [19:56] as if Mark is going to get scared since he wants to switch to Win7 hehe! [19:58] if mark can't collect enough souls, he can't transform into a super gagajin and steve ballmer might succeed instead!!! [20:19] thorwil: You mean Mark won't be able to go Malphas? [20:21] doctormo: isn't the usual path in that direction via becoming a lawyer? [20:22] thorwil: No, collect 20 souls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-S_6qt44c [20:23] I enjoyed the time I went malphas and killed about 60 people, oh fun fun. [20:23] Lots of lovely souls, nom, nom. [20:23] lol [20:23] By the way, have you seen this thorwil? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5P7RsC9TI [20:24] rofl [20:25] doctormo: i have, but it has been a while [20:26] Bill Baily is A+ in my book, his black books is great too.