[00:19] <kim0> hallyn: another thing, couldn't get audio to work. When using ac97 card, spicec disconnects with "Warning: Invalid mode". When using es1370 card, it boots, and windows update installed its drivers, however still no audio is output
[00:19]  * kim0 reboots brain
[00:26] <kim0> might be best to update to 0.8 and re-test
[04:21] <koolhead17|afk> kim0, hellos
[16:29] <Kyle__> Does a proper UEC setup need to have two (or more) different subnets?  I ask because I have asimple setup, and it _seems_ OK, but I can only connect to the VMs from the master-node of the cloud/cluster.
[18:01] <kim0> Howdy everyone
[18:02] <kim0> Any new members around, feel free to ping me
[18:03] <kim0> Kyle__: hey, so the min setup is 2 machines, which to me means one subnet besides the public network
[18:12] <jahil1> is there any training/certification for ubuntu-cloud
[18:13] <kim0> thesheff17_:  hey
[18:14] <kim0> jahil1: are you looking for professional training
[18:14] <jahil1> yes
[18:14] <kim0> yes there is
[18:14] <kim0> let me find the link
[18:16] <kim0> jahil1: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training/course-descriptions
[18:17] <kim0> scroll down to the bottom
[18:17] <kim0> jahil1: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training/course-descriptions/deploying-enterprise-cloud
[18:18] <jahil1> thanks
[18:18] <kim0> jahil1: are you already using UEC ?
[18:19] <jahil1> yes
[18:19] <jahil1> we are using it for our development env
[18:19] <thesheff17_> kim0: hello
[18:19] <kim0> thesheff17_: Hi there
[18:21] <kim0> thesheff17_: are you new in #ubuntu-cloud ?
[18:21] <thesheff17_> kim0: this is the first time I have been in this irc chat room but I have been using ubuntu & KVM virtualization for years.
[18:21] <kim0> thesheff17_: ah a guru in disguise :)
[18:22] <kim0> haha
[18:22] <kim0> welcome
[18:22] <kim0> jahil1: I'm interested to learn more about how you're using UEC if that's ok
[18:22] <thesheff17_> sure
[18:25] <thesheff17_> I am systems admin for small tech company located in Chicago....money is tight UEC takes are of using every available resource we own.
[18:25] <thesheff17_> *takes care
[18:26] <jahil1> basically we are one of biggest broadcaster in middle east - we normally need short term websites for various competitions promos etc - from our development environment we build our custom ami as per hour need
[18:26] <kim0> thesheff17_: that's great indeed
[18:26] <thesheff17_> One area I'm interested in learning more is if people are running UEC on top of the amazon EC2 cloud just for testing.
[18:26] <jahil1> before i was doing manually bootstarop and build ami
[18:27] <kim0> thesheff17_: you mean like http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2010/10/cloud-on-cloud-uec-on-ec2.html
[18:27] <kim0> jahil1: interesting, I'm based in the middle-east as well :)
[18:28] <thesheff17_> yup
[18:28] <kim0> jahil1: are you familiar with cloud-init
[18:28] <jahil1> still ami build process is little bit complicated for thats why i was looking for training
[18:28] <kim0> jahil1: that might help you dynamically configure an instance as it boots
[18:28] <thesheff17_> yes
[18:28] <jahil1> not really i saw in your blog
[18:29] <kim0> jahil1: the idea is not to build a different AMI every time you need some different website
[18:29] <kim0> jahil1: instead you supply instructions to the VM as it boots, on how to "Set itself up"
[18:29] <jahil1> is it like user-data script for aws?
[18:30] <kim0> jahil1: cloud-init is built on top of user-data
[18:30] <kim0> with it .. you can install software, import ssh keys, run random scripts, install boot jobs ...etc
[18:31] <kim0> jahil1: what is different between the different images you create
[18:31] <kim0> I mean is it only a few php files for example
[18:32] <jahil1> not really for some projects we need ruby/rail stack - for some lamp and sometime django
[18:32] <kim0> jahil1: while those might seem "too different" it probably isn't
[18:33] <kim0> just a few different packages installed
[18:33] <kim0> If you're interested in exploring modularizing and automating your workflow, I'd help
[18:34] <jahil1> can you give me some hints what we can do with cloud-init where user-date cannot do it
[18:36] <kim0> jahil1: how exactly are you using user-data now
[18:38] <gfmty> hello
[18:38] <kim0> gfmty: howdy
[18:38] <gfmty> I would like to know about UEC pricing
[18:38] <kim0> hmm
[18:38] <kim0> not my speciality, but I'll try to help
[18:39] <jahil1> we have base images for different distributions while creating instance we provide user-data to make our lives easy
[18:39] <kim0> nijaba: might be able to help too I think
[18:39] <gfmty> currently we're using aws but would like to try uec
[18:39] <gfmty> but I can't find pricing info in the website like aws
[18:40] <kim0> gfmty: UEC is free to download and use
[18:40] <kim0> are you asking about support ? or just usage
[18:40] <jahil1> we also have some custom repositories for legacy packages which current distro's dont have like php 5.1 etc
[18:41] <kim0> jahil1: well if you're running custom scripts to configure everything. Well, custom scripts can do everything indeed, cloud-init is just a cleaner more modular way to enfore customizations
[18:41] <kim0> smoser might have some comments on the topic as well
[18:42] <kim0> gfmty: is that ok?
[18:43] <gfmty> what I mean is, in aws you pay hourly for a determinated instance type, so I would like to know what instance types and pricing is available at UEC
[18:43] <kim0> gfmty: you do understand that you run UEC on your own hardware right ? so there is no one else to pay :)
[18:44] <kim0> gfmty: if you are the provider, you can put your own custom payment rules
[18:45] <gfmty> oh I see
[18:45] <gfmty> that helps
[18:45] <kim0> cool :)
[18:45] <gfmty> thanks kim0
[18:45] <kim0> most welcome
[18:45] <gfmty> have a great day
[18:45] <kim0> you too
[18:47] <Kyle__> kim0: So two different networks minimum, one for the nodes that run the cluster, and one "public" network for the vms to be accessed on?
[18:47] <Kyle__> (sorry was AFK)
[18:47] <kim0> np
[18:47] <kim0> Kyle__: yeah that makes sense to me
[18:48] <kim0> Kyle__: knowing that CLC DNATs connections back n forth, they'd have to be different subnets
[18:48] <kim0> Kyle__: note that I'm talking about the default networking mode
[18:48] <kim0> there are other modes, but then they aren't very well supported
[18:48] <Kyle__> kim0: Ah.  So I need to use a different network if I wont this to work right?
[18:49] <kim0> Kyle__: yeah, just plug all nodes into a switch :)
[18:49] <kim0> CLC should plug into both networks
[18:49]  * kim0 is no UEC expert, just trying to be helpful :)
[18:50] <Kyle__> Hey, I'm far from expert myself, hence why I'm here.
[18:52] <kim0> hehe
[18:52] <kim0> Kyle__: what are you building with UEC
[18:55] <Kyle__> kim0: a test-cluster, for students to experience using a cloud.
[18:56] <kim0> Kyle__: sounds great!
[18:57] <kim0> Kyle__: are you guys teaching something that relates t ocloud
[19:00] <Kyle__> kim0: Seminar class in cloud computing.  Covered mapreduce, movign towards proper clouds, then letting the students loose on projects using one, the other, or both.
[19:01] <kim0> Kyle__: might wanna let your students know about Ubuntu Cloud Days https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays
[19:01] <kim0> it's basically IRC sessions about everything cloud/ubuntu
[19:01] <kim0> actually, if someone would like to hold a session, I'd be happy to help :)
[19:02] <Kyle__> Thank you.  Reading now :)
[19:04] <kim0> Kyle__: if any of your students would be interested in working on a reallife cloud tool .. read this one too :) http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2011/03/cloud-python-hackers-wanted.html
[19:04] <kim0> again I'd be happy to help get them kickstarted
[19:06] <Kyle__> thanks
[19:07] <kim0> Kyle__: btw such a tool is bite-sized, so basically quite adequate for someone still starting
[19:08] <kim0> awesome, let your students come bug me any time :)
[19:08] <Kyle__> Hum.
[19:11] <kim0> Kyle__: why the Hum :)
[19:12] <Kyle__> Digging through the settings instead of re-installing on my little cluster.
[19:13] <kim0> good luck :)
[19:25] <nijaba> kim0: how can I help?
[20:27] <navanjr> what is the trick to getting windows server 2008 running? is it necessary to bundle a bootdisk even if my kernel image boots?
[21:32] <kim0> nijaba: nvm, thanks :)