[00:10] 1/57 [00:11] ~0.02? === Seeker is now known as Seekers === Seekers is now known as Seeker` [00:49] http://www.tastystatic.com/index.php [00:50] wow... apparently our lug isn't dead... apparently there was a meet yesterday (according to the facebook page)... but it wasn't mentioned on the site, nor on the mailing list... how odd... [01:07] anyone used aptoncd? [01:14] hmm, anyone know if the Ubuntu-UK facebook group is in anyway related to this ubuntu-uk? [01:22] HazRPG: I think the admin is Gary (who is on irc now), so it looks at least semi-official [01:22] winner :) [01:23] and there are people posting on it who seem pretty uk-y [01:23] e.g. tony spamming uupc releases from december [01:27] heh, see I don't know most of you guys by name, only handles :P [01:28] every time i go on facebook they have completely redesigned the homepage [01:28] ali1234: because they seem to think it's the "in thing" to do :/ [01:29] group joined anyway [01:32] noticed [01:34] lol, 2 people unfriended me since last time i went on [01:34] wow, typical [01:34] ali1234: just noticed you teletext post [01:35] on facebook? [01:35] that's wicked, your coding? Or others? [01:35] nah, blog [01:35] your facebook is locked down [01:35] oh. cos i didn't remember joining my blog to facebook [01:35] (even to the point of not being able to click "add") [01:35] yeah that's 100% my own code [01:35] oh really? [01:35] yup [01:35] hmm maybe i went a bit mad with the security panel [01:36] I wouldn't be surprised if mines the same [01:36] oh joy they redesigned the security panel again and it's even moer confusing than before [01:39] i don't think there is a setting to control "add" [01:39] there is [01:39] but its named obscurely [01:39] any idea where it is? [01:40] "only let friends add me by e-mail" I think it shows up as [01:40] I'll have a dig, like you said they keep moving things around :/ [01:41] oh found it [01:41] Public search, by any chance? [01:41] yeah there's a different page for all this stuff than the one i was on [01:42] so yeah teletext, i have another project which does the reverse and rebuilds teletext pages from old VHS tapes [01:42] ooo, apparently you can set it to send an e-mail when someone logs in to facebook :) [01:43] oh wow, so you saying that a VHS that was recorded straight from a TV stream back when teletext was enabled, you'd be able to view that data? [01:43] yes [01:43] sweet [01:44] so you can read the teletext news from way back [01:44] you know, it never occurred to me that such info was actually hidden in there [01:44] nice :) [01:44] it's not even hidden, it's just that the signal is too degraded for a standard TV to understand it [01:44] but with powerful computers, it can be cleaned up somewhat [01:45] hmm, wait... does that mean if your watching a VHS tape and hit the teletext button - it would load that data up also? [01:45] in theory yes, in practice no, because VHS is too low quality [01:45] apparently that works with S-VHS [01:45] but who has one of those? [01:45] true [01:46] algorithm is not perfect yet: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/teletext.html [01:46] hmm, I just thought my betamax player died during the floods in 2005 :( [01:47] wow, those graphics look familiar [01:47] those from tapes you own? [01:48] yeah [01:48] its a shame most of the teletext stuff wasn't datestamped [01:48] it was [01:49] the top line is freeform but everyone always used it as a clock [01:49] yeah I realised that after I hit enter and saw "25 Dec" [01:49] that packet gets retransmitted about 10 times per second [01:49] so there's plenty of chances to get a clean decode of that [01:50] did you start doing this after the discussions of teletext a few nights back? [01:51] i wrote the encoder a couple of years ago, and the decoder i wrote a few months ago [01:52] awesome [01:52] do you use it often? [01:53] no, never [01:53] hehe, proof of concept more than anything then? [01:53] yeah [01:53] or the "just because I can" factor [01:53] * HazRPG does a lot of that one [01:53] ah here we go, that tape is from 1996 [01:53] so 15 years old [01:53] wow [01:54] yeah, recovering teletext from VHS is considered impossible by most people who think about these things [01:54] saying that, some of my tapes might be older than that [01:54] I think I own robocop and stuff somewhere [01:54] oh yeah, i have some tapes that are older than me [01:54] it won't do anything with prerecodered tapes of course [01:55] only stuff recorded from TV [01:55] oh yeah, I meant I had robocop recorded from TV streams [01:55] think that might be one of the older tapes I still own [01:56] my dad was an early adopter of VHS tech, he bought one for the world cup in 1982 [01:56] so actually not older than me [01:56] but close [01:57] heh I think my dad went with betamax originally [01:57] i still have stuff like the young ones first series recorded from TV [01:57] because I still own a fair number of cartoons in betamax form [01:57] that was 82, unless he recorded a repeat [01:57] man, that series is almost impossible to find! [01:58] isn't it on DVD? [01:58] you can even stream it from amazon [01:59] $1 per episode [01:59] or at least it was at one point, when I was looking for it to prove to someone that one of the guys in it was in more than just drop dead fred [01:59] heh, so it is... hmm it was a few years back when I tried looking for it [02:01] yeah rik mayall was massive in the late 80s early 90s... drop dead fred was his attempt to go all hollywood i guess [02:02] like ricky gervais :/ [02:02] some of my friends just never saw black adder or young ones when the re-runs were on TV [02:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzZh7T7vies&feature=related [02:07] TV was so chilled out in the 80s [02:07] where is the fast cuts and loud music? [02:08] back when horizon was actually good as well [02:09] heh, TV in general was better in the 80's [02:10] comedy was actually funny, and drama wasn't overly dramatic [02:10] i dunno, there's always been bad sitcoms on BBC1 primetime... always [02:12] I wasn't counting BBC [02:12] I preferred channel 4 [02:13] BBC2 was alright sometimes [02:13] and ITV was good at times [02:13] late night TV was better when nobody watched it and they just let anyone on :) [02:14] haha yeah [02:31] HazRPG: did you see the videos i posted yesterday? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbG0bqKzF9o [02:32] nope, but I will now :) [02:33] haha wicked [02:34] that chip is a 8051 core with hardware USB... close relative of the z80 [02:34] i think it runs at 12mhz [02:36] is the 8051 that old embedded intel chip? [02:36] yeah [02:36] z80 was a copy with added features [02:36] bit like AMD chips today [02:37] anyway, that one chip runs my whole midi "keyboard" [02:40] hmm, do you not have a next button on your blog? [02:40] what's a next button? [02:41] to see older posts... lol [02:41] oh [02:41] there aren't any [02:41] I can see that lol [02:41] why not? [02:41] but you're supposed to use the navigation menu on the right [02:41] took me *ages* to persuade drupal to do that [02:42] or the menu along the top for that matter [02:42] but yeah i never write any posts [02:42] everything is in my "real" website under http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ [02:42] which does not require me to fight with drupal [02:42] and remove the copyright information I'm guessing - since you don't have one [02:42] but it also doesn't get me any page rank lol [02:43] which copyright information is that? [02:43] exactly! [02:43] you don't have one :P [02:43] well copyright is automatic anyway [02:44] if chinese web spiders gonna steal my pages, a copyright message isn't going to stop them [02:46] true [02:46] and true [02:48] i don't really have much respect for intellectual property anyway. i was actually thinking of releaseing all my software under a "no use by anyone anywhere" type licence just as a parody of people who use licences like http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ [02:49] (and BSD) [02:50] in this way, the only way you could use my software would be to reject software licencing in general and steal it :) [02:50] but then i remembered i never wrote anything worth stealing... [02:57] hehe, yeah I recall seeing the WTFPL licence :P === ball_ is now known as ball [04:07] hmm [04:07] ali1234: any idea what "Too man connections" means on startup? [04:07] startup of what? [04:07] or how I can get the list of errors that popped up on start up too [04:07] ubuntu [04:07] try dmesg [04:07] system just froze up and crashed unexpectedly :/ [04:08] or /var/log/messages [04:08] "too many connections" sounds stranegly familiar though [04:08] can't remember what it is that says it [04:09] wow, dmesg pops up with A LOT of stuff [04:09] was it like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1635278 [04:10] yeah [04:10] that message has been bugging me for a while [04:10] but I figured it was fine [04:10] grepping kernel source... [04:11] i doubt it caused a crash [04:11] I got other error messages though this time [04:11] couldn't tell you what they were, they popped up and disappeared before I had chance to read it [04:11] pastebin dmesg [04:12] was already on it ;) [04:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/577686/ [04:12] nothing in the kernel prints that exact message [04:12] which is odd [04:13] seems to happen after "hda_codec: ALC892: BIOS auto-probing." [04:13] i don't see anything particularly bad in that dmesg [04:15] hda strikes again [04:16] I want to say hda = hard drive a, but I'm not sure [04:16] ah here we go, ubuntu's kernel is different from mainline in that error message [04:16] no, hda is high definition audio, intel's replacement for ac97 [04:16] ah [04:17] hard drives haven't been called hda in linux since... well since they rewrote the ide driver to use the scsi layer and now everything is called sda [04:17] so this message comes from: sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c [04:17] yeah I did wonder why they started calling hard drives sda, sdb, etc [04:18] because I recall Red Hat use to call them hda way back when [04:19] What were the main differences between AC97 and HDA? [04:19] wow I'm not liking the /var/log/messages [04:20] HDA supports things that didn't exist in 1997 :) [04:21] ball: I have a feeling had must stand for High Definition Audio [04:21] What sort of things? [04:21] more channels, higher sampling rates [04:21] since the headers on the motherboard had hda written on them, along with headers for ac97 [04:21] yeah, they have ac97 in legacy mode [04:21] http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/hdaudio.htm [04:22] so my dmesg looks fine you say? [04:22] yeah [04:22] nothing serious in there [04:22] wish I knew how to decode it like many of you on here can [04:22] 48 kHz? [04:23] ball: I recall in windows that I could set it up for 96 kHz [04:23] or possibly more [04:23] hda = 192khz/32 bit/8 channels, ac97 = 48khz/20-bit/6 channels [04:23] according to the page i just linked [04:24] ah, must have been 192 kHz I saw then [04:24] I knew it was a high number with 9 in it [04:24] not all hardware has to support the full spec [04:25] Odd. [04:25] I always thought audible sound couldn't be heard higher than 44 kHz (ear-wise) [04:25] perhaps, but harmonics can [04:26] ah [04:26] you can't really put a fixed limit on it [04:26] is it bad that I keep getting this message every couple of seconds in /var/log/messages :: koala pulseaudio[1971]: ratelimit.c: 2490 events suppressed [04:26] 192khz is probably "enough" though [04:27] yeah it's bad [04:27] but seems like everyone with hda gets that [04:27] because hda + pulse = bad times [04:27] guessing there's no fix or workaround for that yet then [04:28] don't know [04:28] i just stopped using pulse [04:28] alsa seems to work perfectly with hda [04:28] and there is no noticable difference for 99% of apps [04:31] I thought pulseaudio was meant to just be in the middle of alsa + input/output [04:31] no wait that's wrong [04:32] it is [04:32] input/output devices (audio) <-> pulseaudio <-> alsa <-> kernel [04:32] which is why it makes no sense for it to mess up so regularly [04:32] or something like that [04:32] alsa is two things [04:32] the kernel drivers [04:32] and also a library for apps [04:32] pulseaudio sits in between those two things [04:33] ah [04:33] actually, it reimplements the alsa userspace library i think [04:33] either way you are always using alsa for drivers [04:33] so I was sorta close [04:33] I knew it was a middle-man for alsa :) [04:33] alsa has a program called dmix which does the same thing as pulse [04:34] except it doesn't have as many features [04:37] does pulseaudio still use HAL? [04:37] hal is dead and buried afaik [04:37] since I recall it was planning to remove it [04:38] yeah I know it is, however I recall pulse was modelled with it [04:38] just remembered after seeing this diagram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pulseaudio-diagram.svg [04:38] I thought pulse had taken it out! [04:38] im not dead dave.. http://spyhunter007.com/Images/hal_9000b.jpg [04:39] lol [04:52] ali1234: wow, skilled programmer and 3D drawer! [04:53] just noticed your hexapod robot by mistake on youtube (was looking for some blender stuff) [04:53] that's actually very simple [04:53] it's based on a real one [04:54] and the real one is cut from sheets of metal [04:54] so all the parts are actually flat [04:54] the full source code is on my site somewhere [04:54] http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/robotkit/ [04:56] nice [04:56] what's the source code made with? [04:56] C++ [04:56] is that source basically a Orge3D to render the 3D? [04:57] ogre and bullet [04:57] it simulates walking motion [04:57] check out the videos [04:57] I have :) [04:57] * HazRPG finding it hard to believe that the bot is actually flat [04:58] or rather made out of flat pieces [04:58] not only that but there is only 5 different pieces [05:00] haha nice, just scrolling through your videos and noticed FF7 running on a n900 [05:02] the parts: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/robotkit/robot.png [05:02] the circles/rectangles with arrows are where the servos fit in [05:03] should you want to buy a real one: http://www.lynxmotion.com/c-117-phoenix.aspx [05:03] only $1000 [05:05] only :P [05:26] Argh! This is really boggling my mind! Pattern animations done in trackers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkfrtNcXMgg [05:26] although this one has music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOvoZcxQFeQ [07:38] aloha [07:41] aloha === knightpad is now known as knightdroid [07:59] morning all [08:00] Morning [08:00] TheOpenSourcerer: I will pop round after taking the sprogs to school [08:00] OK - I have to do the school run this afternoon but should be clear until then. [08:01] One of our neighbours has a funeral this afternoon - Helen got the short straw. [08:08] I am trying to move a program from one desktop to another, normaly I would click on the titlebar and just skide across and grab it in the new desktop. For some reason I cant do that, the open program doesnt appear in the desktop I am moving it to. How can I change that? Thank you. [08:09] mmmmmmmmmm semla [08:15] Morning all [08:15] scoundrel50: right click on the title bar to move it about. The draggy thing only works if you have compiz running [08:16] Morning [08:28] Ah, I cant get compiz to mwork on this machine. Thank you anyway. [08:30] How do i find out what my graphics card is, and if there is an update? [08:35] scoundrel50: To check what your graphics card is, open a terminal and type "lspci | pastebinit" & post the link, this is a link to mine http://pastebin.com/imy91NDt You'll see a line with VGA compatible controller, that will be you graphics card [08:42] o/ [08:42] http://pastebin.com/xztTngs0 [08:42] thank you [08:43] AlanBell: traitor. hard question :p [08:46] scoundrel50: Looking at that, Line 22 is "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)" so it looks like a VIA technologies graphics card, unfortunately, I've not come across those so I'm not sure which graphics driver you may need to install, but hopefully somebody else will be aware of which you need [08:47] Oh right, ok, thank you. [08:48] scoundrel50: Plus, all of my computers are so old that I've not had much sucess with compiz, and I don't want to suggest something that causes problems, but at least knowing which graphics card you've got is a start [08:50] scoundrel50: What model computer is it out interest [08:50] Thank you, I just made a copy of that to keep. So I know for the future, this is an old laptop, which I havent updating the graphics card since I got it. Its a Windows partition, could I update the graphics card via the windows partition? [08:51] Its made by Hi-Grade, how do you work out what model it is? [08:52] scoundrel50: No worries, I just thought it may be something you knew off the top of your head, I was just trying google & the ubuntu forums to see if anything came up with advise [08:53] I'll see if I can work out what it is, in the windows isde it runs XP [08:54] scoundrel50: ok, any changes you made to the windows side wouldn't affect the drivers needed for ubuntu though [08:54] I wondered about that. I hardly ever go on the windows side, only to update my iPhone [08:55] I just went to the via website, they have drivers but only for Ubuntu 10.04, dont know if I looking at the right page though, but they dont seem to have updated to 10.10 yet [08:55] via uses openchrome, I don't think that is going to run compiz ever [08:56] ah, I see [08:56] there were some binary drivers that did unlock the 3d stuff but they were not maintained and no longer work [09:01] hello all [09:05] Morning MooDoo [09:07] goood morning! [09:18] morning [09:19] morning all [09:19] * davmor2 prods czajkowski to see if she is awake yet [09:20] what im clients on 10.10 support out m8 the webcam? [09:21] our* [09:22] hello? [poke] [09:22] how was the rms talk AlanBell? [09:22] caulkz: depends if you webcam is supported, if so all of them [09:22] ok [09:22] pidgin good for webcams? [09:24] im looking at a webcam atm, logitech pro 9k [09:24] should have ubuntu and win7 support [09:25] oh yea, morning all xD [09:26] caulkz: m8? [09:29] davmor2: meh [09:30] local slang, sorry :/ [09:30] 'our friend the webcam' [09:31] BigRedS: Text speak, should be banned :) [09:31] indeed [09:32] czajkowski: take that as a NO! then [09:32] morning all :) [09:34] Ahhh, I did briefly wonder that, then wondered if it was a model or soemthing... [09:34] though, thinking it through, I've not actually used my camera with an IM client, so I've no idea [09:34] mornin [09:34] sup [09:35] what is the notification system thingy called? [09:37] dogmatic69: notify-osd? [09:37] could be, tx [09:37] libnotify [09:47] Buenos días a todos! [09:52] Messages to the monitor manufacturing industry: 1920x1080 <-- Wrong 1920x1200 <-- Right [09:52] mungojerry: RMS was great [09:56] screen-x: 16:9 vs 16:10 [09:56] :/ [09:57] \o/ Colleague just bought me some rasin toast :D [09:57] :) [09:57] I wish the widescreen hype would just go tbh [09:58] up/down is the direction I read webpages, documents and stuff [09:58] yah. Standard Aspect monitors are too expensive :( [09:58] good ones at least [09:59] They are compared to wide screen. [09:59] I was lucky to get mine 2nd hand, when my sister wanted to upgrade to widescreen [10:00] but she mostly uses it for dvd movies [10:00] so i can see the point of that [10:01] wide can be good for having stuff side by side... but 2 or 3x standard aspect would prob be better :) [10:02] * hamitron has 2 CRT side by side [10:03] o.o [10:03] at least you can get larger widescreen displays for the desktop [10:04] I hate the laptop market now [10:04] you want a laptop with CRT? [10:04] 768 pixel height is just not enough [10:04] :) [10:04] harhar [10:05] hamitron: crt's suck [10:05] "portable" [10:05] dogmatic69: give me one good reason my CRT were not a good deal when they were free? [10:05] ;) [10:05] my 2 full HD 23@" LCD's are awesome [10:05] _ _ _ _ [10:05] | | | (_) | [10:05] | |_| | | | [10:05] | _ | |_| [10:05] |_| |_|_(_) [10:05] [10:06] i would not use a crt even it you paid me, not enough space on them [10:06] popey: that's sad and amusing at the same time :) [10:06] 1600x1200 + 1600x1200 [10:06] ;/ [10:06] * screen-x attacks popey with rm $(which figlet) [10:07] * popey hands screen-x some sudo [10:07] I'm just jealous because I wouldnt get away with it :p [10:07] haha [10:07] yeah you would [10:07] hamitron: just 3840x1080 [10:07] its fine now and then [10:07] just not when everyone is doing it ;) [10:07] dogmatic69: I intend to use these till they break, a shame to send working parts to their death [10:08] hamitron: much better to strip them and use the high voltage CRT gun thing for arduino projects [10:09] i'm glad about the death of CRTs because when i worked in banks, bankers used to often use 2 x 21' CRTs [10:09] well, I was tempted with an LCD for an upgrade, but have instead gone for new cpu, mobo and ram :/ [10:09] rather bad for your back lugging those around [10:09] ▙▗▌▞▀▖▞▀▖ [10:09] ▌▘▌▌ ▌▌ ▌ [10:09] ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌ [10:09] ▘ ▘▝▀ ▝▀ [10:09] the weight and desk space is the worst thing [10:09] czajkowski: behave :) [10:10] always best if you're going to CC me to not include the mail where you were extremely rude about me in it >:( [10:10] *mutters* [10:10] czajkowski: sigh! [10:10] czajkowski: mail fail :( [10:10] * hamitron hates CC [10:11] well, CC abuse anyway [10:11] screen-x: cc czajkowski isn't she always whining ;) [10:11] MooDoo: don't drag me in :p [10:11] hamitron: i got 2 of these at work http://www.247pleasure.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5306 [10:11] worries about clicking a url like that! [10:12]