[00:10] <AlanBell> 1/57
[00:11] <HazRPG> ~0.02?
[00:49] <directhex> http://www.tastystatic.com/index.php
[00:50] <HazRPG> wow... apparently our lug isn't dead... apparently there was a meet yesterday (according to the facebook page)... but it wasn't mentioned on the site, nor on the mailing list... how odd...
[01:07] <HazRPG> anyone used aptoncd?
[01:14] <HazRPG> hmm, anyone know if the Ubuntu-UK facebook group is in anyway related to this ubuntu-uk?
[01:22] <dutchie> HazRPG: I think the admin is Gary (who is on irc now), so it looks at least semi-official
[01:22] <HazRPG> winner :)
[01:23] <dutchie> and there are people posting on it who seem pretty uk-y
[01:23] <dutchie> e.g. tony spamming uupc releases from december
[01:27] <HazRPG> heh, see I don't know most of you guys by name, only handles :P
[01:28] <ali1234> every time i go on facebook they have completely redesigned the homepage
[01:28] <HazRPG> ali1234: because they seem to think it's the "in thing" to do :/
[01:29] <ali1234> group joined anyway
[01:32] <HazRPG> noticed
[01:34] <ali1234> lol, 2 people unfriended me since last time i went on
[01:34] <HazRPG> wow, typical
[01:34] <HazRPG> ali1234: just noticed you teletext post
[01:35] <ali1234> on facebook?
[01:35] <HazRPG> that's wicked, your coding? Or others?
[01:35] <HazRPG> nah, blog
[01:35] <HazRPG> your facebook is locked down
[01:35] <ali1234> oh. cos i didn't remember joining my blog to facebook
[01:35] <HazRPG> (even to the point of not being able to click "add")
[01:35] <ali1234> yeah that's 100% my own code
[01:35] <ali1234> oh really?
[01:35] <HazRPG> yup
[01:35] <ali1234> hmm maybe i went a bit mad with the security panel
[01:36] <HazRPG> I wouldn't be surprised if mines the same
[01:36] <ali1234> oh joy they redesigned the security panel again and it's even moer confusing than before
[01:39] <ali1234> i don't think there is a setting to control "add"
[01:39] <HazRPG> there is
[01:39] <HazRPG> but its named obscurely
[01:39] <ali1234> any idea where it is?
[01:40] <HazRPG> "only let friends add me by e-mail" I think it shows up as
[01:40] <HazRPG> I'll have a dig, like you said they keep moving things around :/
[01:41] <ali1234> oh found it
[01:41] <HazRPG> Public search,  by any chance?
[01:41] <ali1234> yeah there's a different page for all this stuff than the one i was on
[01:42] <ali1234> so yeah teletext, i have another project which does the reverse and rebuilds teletext pages from old VHS tapes
[01:42] <HazRPG> ooo, apparently you can set it to send an e-mail when someone logs in to facebook :)
[01:43] <HazRPG> oh wow, so you saying that a VHS that was recorded straight from a TV stream back when teletext was enabled, you'd be able to view that data?
[01:43] <ali1234> yes
[01:43] <HazRPG> sweet
[01:44] <ali1234> so you can read the teletext news from way back
[01:44] <HazRPG> you know, it never occurred to me that such info was actually hidden in there
[01:44] <HazRPG> nice :)
[01:44] <ali1234> it's not even hidden, it's just that the signal is too degraded for a standard TV to understand it
[01:44] <ali1234> but with powerful computers, it can be cleaned up somewhat
[01:45] <HazRPG> hmm, wait... does that mean if your watching a VHS tape and hit the teletext button - it would load that data up also?
[01:45] <ali1234> in theory yes, in practice no, because VHS is too low quality
[01:45] <ali1234> apparently that works with S-VHS
[01:45] <ali1234> but who has one of those?
[01:45] <HazRPG> true
[01:46] <ali1234> algorithm is not perfect yet: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/teletext.html
[01:46] <HazRPG> hmm, I just thought my betamax player died during the floods in 2005 :(
[01:47] <HazRPG> wow, those graphics look familiar
[01:47] <HazRPG> those from tapes you own?
[01:48] <ali1234> yeah
[01:48] <HazRPG> its a shame most of the teletext stuff wasn't datestamped
[01:48] <ali1234> it was
[01:49] <ali1234> the top line is freeform but everyone always used it as a clock
[01:49] <HazRPG> yeah I realised that after I hit enter and saw "25 Dec"
[01:49] <ali1234> that packet gets retransmitted about 10 times per second
[01:49] <ali1234> so there's plenty of chances to get a clean decode of that
[01:50] <HazRPG> did you start doing this after the discussions of teletext a few nights back?
[01:51] <ali1234> i wrote the encoder a couple of years ago, and the decoder i wrote a few months ago
[01:52] <HazRPG> awesome
[01:52] <HazRPG> do you use it often?
[01:53] <ali1234> no, never
[01:53] <HazRPG> hehe, proof of concept more than anything then?
[01:53] <ali1234> yeah
[01:53] <HazRPG> or the "just because I can" factor
[01:53]  * HazRPG does a lot of that one
[01:53] <ali1234> ah here we go, that tape is from 1996
[01:53] <ali1234> so 15 years old
[01:53] <HazRPG> wow
[01:54] <ali1234> yeah, recovering teletext from VHS is considered impossible by most people who think about these things
[01:54] <HazRPG> saying that, some of my tapes might be older than that
[01:54] <HazRPG> I think I own robocop and stuff somewhere
[01:54] <ali1234> oh yeah, i have some tapes that are older than me
[01:54] <ali1234> it won't do anything with prerecodered tapes of course
[01:55] <ali1234> only stuff recorded from TV
[01:55] <HazRPG> oh yeah, I meant I had robocop recorded from TV streams
[01:55] <HazRPG> think that might be one of the older tapes I still own
[01:56] <ali1234> my dad was an early adopter of VHS tech, he bought one for the world cup in 1982
[01:56] <ali1234> so actually not older than me
[01:56] <ali1234> but close
[01:57] <HazRPG> heh I think my dad went with betamax originally
[01:57] <ali1234> i still have stuff like the young ones first series recorded from TV
[01:57] <HazRPG> because I still own a fair number of cartoons in betamax form
[01:57] <ali1234> that was 82, unless he recorded a repeat
[01:57] <HazRPG> man, that series is almost impossible to find!
[01:58] <ali1234> isn't it on DVD?
[01:58] <ali1234> you can even stream it from amazon
[01:59] <ali1234> $1 per episode
[01:59] <HazRPG> or at least it was at one point, when I was looking for it to prove to someone that one of the guys in it was in more than just drop dead fred
[01:59] <HazRPG> heh, so it is... hmm it was a few years back when I tried looking for it
[02:01] <ali1234> yeah rik mayall was massive in the late 80s early 90s... drop dead fred was his attempt to go all hollywood i guess
[02:02] <ali1234> like ricky gervais :/
[02:02] <HazRPG> some of my friends just never saw black adder or young ones when the re-runs were on TV
[02:07] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzZh7T7vies&feature=related
[02:07] <ali1234> TV was so chilled out in the 80s
[02:07] <ali1234> where is the fast cuts and loud music?
[02:08] <ali1234> back when horizon was actually good as well
[02:09] <HazRPG> heh, TV in general was better in the 80's
[02:10] <HazRPG> comedy was actually funny, and drama wasn't overly dramatic
[02:10] <ali1234> i dunno, there's always been bad sitcoms on BBC1 primetime... always
[02:12] <HazRPG> I wasn't counting BBC
[02:12] <HazRPG> I preferred channel 4
[02:13] <HazRPG> BBC2 was alright sometimes
[02:13] <HazRPG> and ITV was good at times
[02:13] <ali1234> late night TV was better when nobody watched it and they just let anyone on :)
[02:14] <HazRPG> haha yeah
[02:31] <ali1234> HazRPG: did you see the videos i posted yesterday? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbG0bqKzF9o
[02:32] <HazRPG> nope, but I will now :)
[02:33] <HazRPG> haha wicked
[02:34] <ali1234> that chip is a 8051 core with hardware USB... close relative of the z80
[02:34] <ali1234> i think it runs at 12mhz
[02:36] <HazRPG> is the 8051 that old embedded intel chip?
[02:36] <ali1234> yeah
[02:36] <ali1234> z80 was a copy with added features
[02:36] <ali1234> bit like AMD chips today
[02:37] <ali1234> anyway, that one chip runs my whole midi "keyboard"
[02:40] <HazRPG> hmm, do you not have a next button on your blog?
[02:40] <ali1234> what's a next button?
[02:41] <HazRPG> to see older posts... lol
[02:41] <ali1234> oh
[02:41] <ali1234> there aren't any
[02:41] <HazRPG> I can see that lol
[02:41] <HazRPG> why not?
[02:41] <ali1234> but you're supposed to use the navigation menu on the right
[02:41] <ali1234> took me *ages* to persuade drupal to do that
[02:42] <ali1234> or the menu along the top for that matter
[02:42] <ali1234> but yeah i never write any posts
[02:42] <ali1234> everything is in my "real" website under http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/
[02:42] <ali1234> which does not require me to fight with drupal
[02:42] <HazRPG> and remove the copyright information I'm guessing - since you don't have one
[02:42] <ali1234> but it also doesn't get me any page rank lol
[02:43] <ali1234> which copyright information is that?
[02:43] <HazRPG> exactly!
[02:43] <HazRPG> you don't have one :P
[02:43] <ali1234> well copyright is automatic anyway
[02:44] <ali1234> if chinese web spiders gonna steal my pages, a copyright message isn't going to stop them
[02:46] <HazRPG> true
[02:46] <HazRPG> and true
[02:48] <ali1234> i don't really have much respect for intellectual property anyway. i was actually thinking of releaseing all my software under a "no use by anyone anywhere" type licence just as a parody of people who use licences like http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
[02:49] <ali1234> (and BSD)
[02:50] <ali1234> in this way, the only way you could use my software would be to reject software licencing in general and steal it :)
[02:50] <ali1234> but then i remembered i never wrote anything worth stealing...
[02:57] <HazRPG> hehe, yeah I recall seeing the WTFPL licence :P
[04:07] <HazRPG> hmm
[04:07] <HazRPG> ali1234: any idea what "Too man connections" means on startup?
[04:07] <ali1234> startup of what?
[04:07] <HazRPG> or how I can get the list of errors that popped up on start up too
[04:07] <HazRPG> ubuntu
[04:07] <ali1234> try dmesg
[04:07] <HazRPG> system just froze up and crashed unexpectedly :/
[04:08] <ali1234> or /var/log/messages
[04:08] <ali1234> "too many connections" sounds stranegly familiar though
[04:08] <ali1234> can't remember what it is that says it
[04:09] <HazRPG> wow, dmesg pops up with A LOT of stuff
[04:09] <ali1234> was it like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1635278
[04:10] <HazRPG> yeah
[04:10] <HazRPG> that message has been bugging me for a while
[04:10] <HazRPG> but I figured it was fine
[04:10] <ali1234> grepping kernel source...
[04:11] <ali1234> i doubt it caused a crash
[04:11] <HazRPG> I got other error messages though this time
[04:11] <HazRPG> couldn't tell you what they were, they popped up and disappeared before I had chance to read it
[04:11] <ali1234> pastebin dmesg
[04:12] <HazRPG> was already on it ;)
[04:12] <HazRPG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/577686/
[04:12] <ali1234> nothing in the kernel prints that exact message
[04:12] <ali1234> which is odd
[04:13] <HazRPG> seems to happen after "hda_codec: ALC892: BIOS auto-probing."
[04:13] <ali1234> i don't see anything particularly bad in that dmesg
[04:15] <ali1234> hda strikes again
[04:16] <HazRPG> I want to say hda = hard drive a, but I'm not sure
[04:16] <ali1234> ah here we go, ubuntu's kernel is different from mainline in that error message
[04:16] <ali1234> no, hda is high definition audio, intel's replacement for ac97
[04:16] <HazRPG> ah
[04:17] <ali1234> hard drives haven't been called hda in linux since... well since they rewrote the ide driver to use the scsi layer and now everything is called sda
[04:17] <ali1234> so this message comes from: sound/pci/hda/hda_codec.c
[04:17] <HazRPG> yeah I did wonder why they started calling hard drives sda, sdb, etc
[04:18] <HazRPG> because I recall Red Hat use to call them hda way back when
[04:19] <ball> What were the main differences between AC97 and HDA?
[04:19] <HazRPG> wow I'm not liking the /var/log/messages
[04:20] <ali1234> HDA supports things that didn't exist in 1997 :)
[04:21] <HazRPG> ball: I have a feeling had must stand for High Definition Audio
[04:21] <ball> What sort of things?
[04:21] <ali1234> more channels, higher sampling rates
[04:21] <HazRPG> since the headers on the motherboard had hda written on them, along with headers for ac97
[04:21] <ali1234> yeah, they have ac97 in legacy mode
[04:21] <ali1234> http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/hdaudio.htm
[04:22] <HazRPG> so my dmesg looks fine you say?
[04:22] <ali1234> yeah
[04:22] <ali1234> nothing serious in there
[04:22] <HazRPG> wish I knew how to decode it like many of you on here can
[04:22] <ball> 48 kHz?
[04:23] <HazRPG> ball: I recall in windows that I could set it up for 96 kHz
[04:23] <HazRPG> or possibly more
[04:23] <ali1234> hda = 192khz/32 bit/8 channels, ac97 = 48khz/20-bit/6 channels
[04:23] <ali1234> according to the page i just linked
[04:24] <HazRPG> ah, must have been 192 kHz I saw then
[04:24] <HazRPG> I knew it was a high number with 9 in it
[04:24] <ali1234> not all hardware has to support the full spec
[04:25] <ball> Odd.
[04:25] <HazRPG> I always thought audible sound couldn't be heard higher than 44 kHz (ear-wise)
[04:25] <ali1234> perhaps, but harmonics can
[04:26] <HazRPG> ah
[04:26] <ali1234> you can't really put a fixed limit on it
[04:26] <HazRPG> is it bad that I keep getting this message every couple of seconds in /var/log/messages :: koala pulseaudio[1971]: ratelimit.c: 2490 events suppressed
[04:26] <ali1234> 192khz is probably "enough" though
[04:27] <ali1234> yeah it's bad
[04:27] <ali1234> but seems like everyone with hda gets that
[04:27] <ali1234> because hda + pulse = bad times
[04:27] <HazRPG> guessing there's no fix or workaround for that yet then
[04:28] <ali1234> don't know
[04:28] <ali1234> i just stopped using pulse
[04:28] <ali1234> alsa seems to work perfectly with hda
[04:28] <ali1234> and there is no noticable difference for 99% of apps
[04:31] <HazRPG> I thought pulseaudio was meant to just be in the middle of alsa + input/output
[04:31] <HazRPG> no wait that's wrong
[04:32] <ali1234> it is
[04:32] <HazRPG> input/output devices (audio) <-> pulseaudio <-> alsa <-> kernel
[04:32] <ali1234> which is why it makes no sense for it to mess up so regularly
[04:32] <HazRPG> or something like that
[04:32] <ali1234> alsa is two things
[04:32] <ali1234> the kernel drivers
[04:32] <ali1234> and also a library for apps
[04:32] <ali1234> pulseaudio sits in between those two things
[04:33] <HazRPG> ah
[04:33] <ali1234> actually, it reimplements the alsa userspace library i think
[04:33] <ali1234> either way you are always using alsa for drivers
[04:33] <HazRPG> so I was sorta close
[04:33] <HazRPG> I knew it was a middle-man for alsa :)
[04:33] <ali1234> alsa has a program called dmix which does the same thing as pulse
[04:34] <ali1234> except it doesn't have as many features
[04:37] <HazRPG> does pulseaudio still use HAL?
[04:37] <ali1234> hal is dead and buried afaik
[04:37] <HazRPG> since I recall it was planning to remove it
[04:38] <HazRPG> yeah I know it is, however I recall pulse was modelled with it
[04:38] <HazRPG> just remembered after seeing this diagram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pulseaudio-diagram.svg
[04:38] <HazRPG> I thought pulse had taken it out!
[04:38] <exobuzz> im not dead dave.. http://spyhunter007.com/Images/hal_9000b.jpg
[04:39] <HazRPG> lol
[04:52] <HazRPG> ali1234: wow, skilled programmer and 3D drawer!
[04:53] <HazRPG> just noticed your hexapod robot by mistake on youtube (was looking for some blender stuff)
[04:53] <ali1234> that's actually very simple
[04:53] <ali1234> it's based on a real one
[04:54] <ali1234> and the real one is cut from sheets of metal
[04:54] <ali1234> so all the parts are actually flat
[04:54] <ali1234> the full source code is on my site somewhere
[04:54] <ali1234> http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/robotkit/
[04:56] <HazRPG> nice
[04:56] <HazRPG> what's the source code made with?
[04:56] <ali1234> C++
[04:56] <HazRPG> is that source basically a Orge3D to render the 3D?
[04:57] <ali1234> ogre and bullet
[04:57] <ali1234> it simulates walking motion
[04:57] <ali1234> check out the videos
[04:57] <HazRPG> I have :)
[04:57]  * HazRPG finding it hard to believe that the bot is actually flat
[04:58] <HazRPG> or rather made out of flat pieces
[04:58] <ali1234> not only that but there is only 5 different pieces
[05:00] <HazRPG> haha nice, just scrolling through your videos and noticed FF7 running on a n900
[05:02] <ali1234> the parts: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/robotkit/robot.png
[05:02] <ali1234> the circles/rectangles with arrows are where the servos fit in
[05:03] <ali1234> should you want to buy a real one: http://www.lynxmotion.com/c-117-phoenix.aspx
[05:03] <ali1234> only $1000
[05:05] <HazRPG> only :P
[05:26] <HazRPG> Argh! This is really boggling my mind! Pattern animations done in trackers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkfrtNcXMgg
[05:26] <HazRPG> although this one has music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOvoZcxQFeQ
[07:38] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:41] <knightpad> aloha
[07:59] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:00] <diplo> Morning
[08:00] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I will pop round after taking the sprogs to school
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - I have to do the school run this afternoon but should be clear until then.
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> One of our neighbours has a funeral this afternoon - Helen got the short straw.
[08:08] <scoundrel50> I am trying to move a program from one desktop to another, normaly I would click on the titlebar and just skide across and grab it in the new desktop. For some reason I cant do that, the open program doesnt appear in the desktop I am moving it to. How can I change that? Thank you.
[08:09] <Myrtti> mmmmmmmmmm semla
[08:15] <DJones> Morning all
[08:15] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: right click on the title bar to move it about. The draggy thing only works if you have compiz running
[08:16] <daubers> Morning
[08:28] <scoundrel50> Ah, I cant get compiz to mwork on this machine. Thank you anyway.
[08:30] <scoundrel50> How do i find out what my graphics card is, and if there is an update?
[08:35] <DJones> scoundrel50: To check what your graphics card is, open a terminal and type "lspci | pastebinit" & post the link, this is a link to mine http://pastebin.com/imy91NDt You'll see a line with VGA compatible controller, that will be you graphics card
[08:42] <nigelb> o/
[08:42] <scoundrel50> http://pastebin.com/xztTngs0
[08:42] <scoundrel50> thank you
[08:43] <nigelb> AlanBell: traitor.  hard question :p
[08:46] <DJones> scoundrel50: Looking at that, Line 22 is "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01)"  so it looks like a VIA technologies graphics card, unfortunately, I've not come across those so I'm not sure which graphics driver you may need to install, but hopefully somebody else will be aware of which you need
[08:47] <scoundrel50> Oh right, ok, thank you.
[08:48] <DJones> scoundrel50: Plus, all of my computers are so old that I've not had much sucess with compiz, and I don't want to suggest something that causes problems, but at least knowing which graphics card you've got is a start
[08:50] <DJones> scoundrel50: What model computer is it out interest
[08:50] <scoundrel50> Thank you, I just made a copy of that to keep. So I know for the future, this is an old laptop, which I havent updating the graphics card since I got it. Its a Windows partition, could I update the graphics card via the windows partition?
[08:51] <scoundrel50> Its made by Hi-Grade, how do you work out what model it is?
[08:52] <DJones> scoundrel50: No worries, I just thought it may be something you knew off the top of your head, I was just trying google & the ubuntu forums to see if anything came up with advise
[08:53] <scoundrel50> I'll see if I can work out what it is, in the windows isde it runs XP
[08:54] <DJones> scoundrel50: ok, any changes you made to the windows side wouldn't affect the drivers needed for ubuntu though
[08:54] <scoundrel50> I wondered about that. I hardly ever go on the windows side, only to update my iPhone
[08:55] <scoundrel50> I just went to the via website, they have drivers but only for Ubuntu 10.04, dont know if I looking at the right page though, but they dont seem to have updated to 10.10 yet
[08:55] <AlanBell> via uses openchrome, I don't think that is going to run compiz ever
[08:56] <scoundrel50> ah, I see
[08:56] <AlanBell> there were some binary drivers that did unlock the 3d stuff but they were not maintained and no longer work
[09:01] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:05] <DJones> Morning MooDoo
[09:07] <BigRedS> goood morning!
[09:18] <mungojerry> morning
[09:19] <davmor2> morning all
[09:19]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to see if she is awake yet
[09:20] <caulkz> what im clients on 10.10 support out m8 the webcam?
[09:21] <caulkz> our*
[09:22] <caulkz> hello? [poke]
[09:22] <mungojerry> how was the rms talk AlanBell?
[09:22] <davmor2> caulkz: depends if you webcam is supported, if so all of them
[09:22] <caulkz> ok
[09:22] <caulkz> pidgin good for webcams?
[09:24] <caulkz> im looking at a webcam atm, logitech pro 9k
[09:24] <caulkz> should have ubuntu and win7 support
[09:25] <caulkz> oh yea, morning all xD
[09:26] <BigRedS> caulkz: m8?
[09:29] <czajkowski> davmor2: meh
[09:30] <caulkz> local slang, sorry :/
[09:30] <caulkz> 'our friend the webcam'
[09:31] <davmor2> BigRedS: Text speak, should be banned :)
[09:31] <czajkowski> indeed
[09:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: take that as a NO! then
[09:32] <screen-x> morning all :)
[09:34] <BigRedS> Ahhh, I did briefly wonder that, then wondered if it was a model or soemthing...
[09:34] <BigRedS> though, thinking it through, I've not actually used my camera with an IM client, so I've no idea
[09:34] <hoover> mornin
[09:34] <dogmatic69> sup
[09:35] <dogmatic69> what is the notification system thingy called?
[09:37] <DJones> dogmatic69: notify-osd?
[09:37] <dogmatic69> could be, tx
[09:37] <screen-x> libnotify
[09:47] <JamesTait> Buenos días a todos!
[09:52] <screen-x> Messages to the monitor manufacturing industry: 1920x1080 <-- Wrong    1920x1200 <-- Right
[09:52] <AlanBell> mungojerry: RMS was great
[09:56] <hamitron> screen-x: 16:9 vs 16:10
[09:56] <hamitron> :/
[09:57] <screen-x> \o/ Colleague just bought me some rasin toast :D
[09:57] <hamitron> :)
[09:57] <hamitron> I wish the widescreen hype would just go tbh
[09:58] <hamitron> up/down is the direction I read webpages, documents and stuff
[09:58] <screen-x> yah. Standard Aspect monitors are too expensive :(
[09:58] <hamitron> good ones at least
[09:59] <screen-x> They are compared to wide screen.
[09:59] <hamitron> I was lucky to get mine 2nd hand, when my sister wanted to upgrade to widescreen
[10:00] <hamitron> but she mostly uses it for dvd movies
[10:00] <hamitron> so i can see the point of that
[10:01] <screen-x> wide can be good for having stuff side by side... but 2 or 3x standard aspect would prob be better :)
[10:02]  * hamitron has 2 CRT side by side
[10:03] <dogmatic69> o.o
[10:03] <hamitron> at least you can get larger widescreen displays for the desktop
[10:04] <hamitron> I hate the laptop market now
[10:04] <dogmatic69> you want a laptop with CRT?
[10:04] <hamitron> 768 pixel height is just not enough
[10:04] <dogmatic69> :)
[10:04] <screen-x> harhar
[10:05] <dogmatic69> hamitron: crt's suck
[10:05] <screen-x> "portable"
[10:05] <hamitron> dogmatic69: give me one good reason my CRT were not a good deal when they were free?
[10:05] <hamitron> ;)
[10:05] <dogmatic69> my 2 full HD 23@" LCD's are awesome
[10:05] <popey>  _   _ _ _
[10:05] <popey> | | | (_) |
[10:05] <popey> | |_| | | |
[10:05] <popey> |  _  | |_|
[10:05] <popey> |_| |_|_(_)
[10:05] <popey>            
[10:06] <dogmatic69> i would not use a crt even it you paid me, not enough space on them
[10:06] <davmor2> popey: that's sad and amusing at the same time :)
[10:06] <hamitron> 1600x1200 + 1600x1200
[10:06] <hamitron> ;/
[10:06]  * screen-x attacks popey with rm $(which figlet)
[10:07]  * popey hands screen-x some sudo
[10:07] <screen-x> I'm just jealous because I wouldnt get away with it :p
[10:07] <popey> haha
[10:07] <popey> yeah you would
[10:07] <dogmatic69> hamitron: just 3840x1080
[10:07] <popey> its fine now and then
[10:07] <popey> just not when everyone is doing it ;)
[10:07] <hamitron> dogmatic69: I intend to use these till they break, a shame to send working parts to their death
[10:08] <dogmatic69> hamitron: much better to strip them and use the high voltage CRT gun thing for arduino projects
[10:09] <mungojerry> i'm glad about the death of CRTs because when i worked in banks, bankers used to often use 2 x 21' CRTs
[10:09] <hamitron> well, I was tempted with an LCD for an upgrade, but have instead gone for new cpu, mobo and ram :/
[10:09] <mungojerry> rather bad for your back lugging those around
[10:09] <czajkowski> ▙▗▌▞▀▖▞▀▖
[10:09] <czajkowski> ▌▘▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[10:09] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[10:09] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘▝▀ ▝▀
[10:09] <hamitron> the weight and desk space is the worst thing
[10:09] <MooDoo> czajkowski: behave :)
[10:10] <czajkowski> always best if you're going to CC me to not include the mail where you were extremely rude about me in it  >:(
[10:10] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[10:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: sigh!
[10:10] <screen-x> czajkowski: mail fail :(
[10:10]  * hamitron hates CC
[10:11] <hamitron> well, CC abuse anyway
[10:11] <MooDoo> screen-x: cc czajkowski isn't she always whining ;)
[10:11] <screen-x> MooDoo: don't drag me in :p
[10:11] <dogmatic69> hamitron: i got 2 of these at work http://www.247pleasure.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5306
[10:11] <mungojerry> worries about clicking a url like that!
[10:12] <shauno> heh, I was just thinking that
[10:12] <screen-x> mungojerry: my thoughts exactly
[10:12] <MooDoo> mungojerry: it's a lcd
[10:12] <dogmatic69> lol, its just a shop...
[10:12] <MooDoo> i click whilly nilly me :)
[10:12] <hamitron> OH YES BABY ;/
[10:12] <hamitron> but I still like 1200 pixels down
[10:12] <hamitron> :/
[10:13] <dogmatic69> more than enough
[10:13]  * mungojerry only has an intel onboard vga on his work pc :(
[10:13] <dogmatic69> if you really want length just turn it side ways..
[10:13]  * czajkowski stabs MooDoo 
[10:14] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: unlucky :D
[10:14]  * MooDoo gives czajkowski  big kiss for being so nice :)
[10:14] <hamitron> dogmatic69: when these break, I may ;)
[10:14] <mungojerry> dogmatic69: i'm in charge of the IT budget so i should buy myself something nice with it :)
[10:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: Moo failed
[10:14] <hamitron> I am hoping my p120 comp breaks sometime
[10:14] <hamitron> :/
[10:15] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: obviously you need to GT480's to run the IT department
[10:15] <dogmatic69> s/to/two
[10:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: she just stabbed me
[10:15] <bigcalm> I has a cold *achoo*
[10:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: bless you
[10:15] <hamitron> for CUDA performance ofc ;/
[10:15] <screen-x> I specified my workstation at work with a dual head graphics card, when it arrived, it head three display outputs on the motherboard!
[10:15] <ali1234> 1200 pixels is worth the extra money
[10:16] <mungojerry> probably why i'm within budget every year...plus oodles of open source usage
[10:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: Don't kiss her she won't stab you :D
[10:16] <ali1234> also, a matte screen with a small bezel is worth the extra money too
[10:16]  * MooDoo just connects my laptop to the 32' telly in the living room
[10:16] <dogmatic69> screen-x: o.o
[10:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm not that stupid.....:D
[10:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: ok maybe a little
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: You deserve all the stabbing you get then :D
[10:17] <hamitron> do you guys upgrade display when your old one breaks, or when you feel like it?
[10:17] <ali1234> when the old one breaks and nobody wants to give me a new one for free
[10:17] <hamitron> yeh, same :)
[10:17] <ali1234> or once every 10 years
[10:18] <shauno> usually don't upgrade, just ditch old stuff when I move
[10:18] <mungojerry> pwn2own content starts today
[10:18] <ali1234> so i get a good monitor when i buy it. by the time it breaks i can usually replace it with equivalent for free
[10:18] <hamitron> free = win
[10:19]  * mungojerry likes free stuff
[10:19] <hamitron> I did pay £20 for this lcd though :/
[10:19] <screen-x> freecycle usually has a load of CRTs..
[10:19]  * daubers is upgrading his laptop today \o/
[10:20] <daubers> 250GB drive--, 1TB drive++
[10:20] <hamitron> main problem with getting CRT, is you need a decent one locally
[10:20] <screen-x> daubers: moar spinny disk?
[10:20] <daubers> screen-x: Indeedly
[10:20] <mungojerry> i have a few 6yr old machines for disposal.. when i send an email, staff can't get enough of them
[10:20] <daubers> screen-x: Need the space, not the performance in this case :)
[10:20] <screen-x> daubers: finished bbc project?
[10:21] <daubers> screen-x: Nearly! Moving into the comissioning stages now
[10:21] <popey> \o/
[10:21] <screen-x> :)
[10:21]  * popey upgraded his mbp to 1tb
[10:21] <daubers> Kit's racked and installed, just comissioning the software over the next week
[10:22] <dogmatic69> anyone have some tips to build a ubuntu instance on aws, i cant get it going :(
[10:23] <screen-x> dogmatic69: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ami/
[10:23] <screen-x> daubers: so do you get a rest in a weeks time, or more big projects coming?
[10:24] <daubers> screen-x: Moar big projects in the pipe :( Also business is booming, so the general day to day stuff is becoming a bigger workload too
[10:25] <daubers> Need moar minions
[10:25] <screen-x> daubers: sounds like it.. any chance?
[10:26] <daubers> screen-x: Yup, discussions are on the off of hiring a C developer to take on some kernel dev stuff
[10:26] <daubers> and possibly someone to do box builds
[10:26] <screen-x> \o/
[10:26] <MooDoo> daubers: need a tea boy?
[10:26] <daubers> MooDoo: :p
[10:27] <MooDoo> daubers: what?  i make nice tea?
[10:27] <screen-x> Setting up ldap-kerberos auth clients is much easier in 10.04, compared to 8.04.. progress++
[10:27] <MooDoo> czajkowski: do you need a tea boy?  that way i can annoy you all day every day :)
[10:27] <daubers> MooDoo: Not that much money in the kitty yet
[10:28] <mungojerry> screen-x: ldap support is klunky in ubuntu generally though
[10:28] <MooDoo> daubers: hee hee
[10:29] <screen-x> mungojerry: getting better though. I still have my ldap servers on 8.04 as I'm slightly confused about in-directory config.
[10:29] <dogmatic69> screen-x: ec2-run-instances ami-a01bb0a1 --instance-type t1.micro --region ap-northeast-1 did something but dont see it in aws
[10:29] <mungojerry> screen-x: i have to do a post-install fudgery to get ldap-tls working. redhat et al allow ldap during install
[10:31] <screen-x> dogmatic69: I don't actually use ec2 at the moment, I just thought that page would be useful for you..
[10:31] <dogmatic69> k, thanks
[10:31] <dogmatic69> seem to be getting there
[10:32] <screen-x> dogmatic69: are you using the aws free tier?
[10:33] <dogmatic69> paid stuff
[11:22] <dogmatic69> what does the address 0.0.0.0/0 mean?
[11:22] <jpds> dogmatic69: All possible v4 addresses.
[11:22] <dogmatic69> ah, thanks
[11:41] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[11:44] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell fancy a BBQ :)
[11:44] <DJones> Heh, I like this idea http://random.irb.hr/signup.php Look at the "Qualifying question".... How many humans would be able to answer that off the top of their head
[11:49] <daubers> Stupid apt just overwrote my postfix conf without asking me if I wanted it too
[11:49] <screen-x> daubers: thats not good, upgrading postfix package?
[11:49] <popey> I need a word that means "problems" "issues" "brokenness" but starts with K
[11:49] <screen-x> knackerfed
[11:50] <brobostigon> krippled*
[11:50] <screen-x> s/f//
[11:50] <daubers> screen-x: yup
[11:50] <popey> real words would be more useful
[11:50] <rattleStuff> Kerput
[11:50] <mungojerry> knots, knotted, knotty
[11:50] <popey> oh, I like knots
[11:50] <czajkowski> knackered
[11:51] <popey> something more like the words I mentioned
[11:51] <mungojerry> gordian knot :P
[11:51] <nigelb> popey: KDE :P
[11:51] <popey> so i can say "Fixing computer <word>"
[11:51]  * nigelb runs
[11:51] <popey> hah
[11:51] <mungojerry> "It is often used as a metaphor for an intractable problem solved by a bold stroke"
[11:51] <mungojerry> popey: koan :P
[11:52] <mungojerry> !koan
[11:52] <mungojerry> "a paradoxical anecdote or a riddle that has no solution; used in Zen Buddhism to show the inadequacy of logical reasoning"
[11:52] <popey> the context is "Fixing Ubuntu Computer K_"
[11:52] <popey> where K is "brokenness"
[11:53] <jpds> Kaputt.
[11:53] <DJones> "kicked the bucket"
[11:53] <jpds> popey: http://translate.google.co.uk/#de|en|Kaputt
[11:53] <mungojerry> kludges
[11:53] <popey> kludges implies intentional
[11:53] <popey> I'm talking about accidents like broken grub
[11:53] <screen-x> kinks.. but that is quite similar to knots
[11:53] <popey> oooo kinks!
[11:54] <directhex> popey, kinks
[11:54] <directhex> aha
[11:54] <mungojerry> quizzes are fun :P
[11:54] <czajkowski> popey: why  K
[11:54] <popey> Excellent, my document is now called Fixing Ubuntu Computer Kinks
[11:54] <AlanBell> Kruft
[11:54] <popey> or knots
[11:55] <popey> cant decide
[11:55] <czajkowski> Kinks
[11:55] <DJones> Knockouts/knockdowns
[11:55] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yes to the bbq
[11:55] <screen-x> popey: what is this document for?
[11:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: toying with an idea to do a BBQ on document freedom day
[11:55] <czajkowski> you up for it ?
[11:55] <brobostigon> kinks sounds good to the ear.
[11:55] <popey> yeah
[11:55]  * daubers is very thankful he backed up his postfix conf after finishing configuring it
[11:56]  * screen-x has a metric tonne of spagbol for lunch, not sure I need this much. 
[11:57] <popey> The nations favorite dish, Spag Bol
[11:57]  * brobostigon puts PMQ's on.
[11:57] <czajkowski> ohhh I want spag bol
[11:57] <czajkowski> hmm
[11:58]  * brobostigon is ready to throw things metaphoriclly, at mp's.
[11:58] <popey> why's that?
[11:58] <screen-x> brobostigon: twitter at the ready?
[11:58]  * daubers has rice+leftovers for lunch again
[11:58] <brobostigon> popey: when idont like some stuff they say.
[11:58] <brobostigon> screen-x: yep, :)
[11:58] <popey> ah
[12:01]  * brobostigon is liking android gingerbread(2.3.3)'s new power controls.
[12:02] <bigcalm> cm7rc2 ftw \o/
[12:03] <screen-x> whats new in gingerbread?
[12:03] <bigcalm> Sugar and spice
[12:03] <bigcalm> (and all things nice)
[12:03] <brobostigon> screen-x: theming, power controls, mainly,
[12:04] <popey> power controls?
[12:04] <brobostigon> power manaegement*
[12:04]  * czajkowski has an itchy nose and now wants spag bol 
[12:04] <czajkowski> not good
[12:04] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:05] <popey> brobostigon: internal stuff to make battery last longer?
[12:06] <brobostigon> popey: yes, as well as finding out what is using battery, and the control of such.
[12:07] <popey> control?
[12:07] <mungojerry> googles way of improving android is to look at sense and user mods and provide them in the next version
[12:07] <brobostigon> popey: like, seeing what keeps you phone awake.
[12:11] <popey> sounds useful to see what's keeping your phone awake, I'm just missing understanding what the "control" bit is
[12:11] <popey> what do you get to control?
[12:12] <brobostigon> popey: how apps behave.
[12:12] <BigRedS> popey: I think you just get to kill power-hungry processes
[12:13] <czajkowski> http://www.makerfaireuk.com/  looks like fun
[12:14] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ubuntu stickers on robots :)
[12:15] <mungojerry> did anyone manage to surreptitiously slap an ubuntu sticker on RMS sandal sole yesterday?
[12:15] <brobostigon> mungojerry: interesting idea, :)
[12:16]  * brobostigon sniggers atthe idea.
[12:16] <mungojerry> or hide a tux in his beard hair
[12:16] <brobostigon> lol
[12:16] <popey> BigRedS: thats it? that's not exactly "control"
[12:16] <czajkowski> mungojerry: didnt fancy getting that close to him tbh
[12:17] <mungojerry> czajkowski: were there any other females there?
[12:17] <daubers> czajkowski: How else are you supposed to beat him with the baton of useability?
[12:18] <AlanBell> czajkowski: you know me, I am up for anything
[12:18] <AlanBell> especially if there is beer
[12:18] <czajkowski> mungojerry: yes
[12:18] <mungojerry> wow
[12:18] <czajkowski> AlanBell: right working on invites now for partners
[12:19] <czajkowski> mungojerry: why do you say wow ?
[12:19] <czajkowski> daubers: trust me after watching him eat his fingers, beard, picking things off himself and eating, I was less than inclined to go anywhere near him
[12:19] <mungojerry> czajkowski: i just had impressions of an all-male beardy geek fest
[12:19] <czajkowski> mungojerry: eh no
[12:19] <mungojerry> despite the subject topic which crosses all genders
[12:19] <czajkowski> very few beared men as well
[12:20] <AlanBell> mungojerry: I have no beard
[12:20] <mungojerry> julian assange wasn't there too?
[12:20] <AlanBell> it was at the IEEE
[12:20] <mungojerry> assange est dans l'arbre
[12:20] <AlanBell> he has no beard either
[12:20] <mungojerry> what colour is his hair?
[12:20] <mungojerry> can't work it out
[12:20] <mungojerry> grey, white , bottle blonde, blond?
[12:21] <czajkowski> fair
[12:23] <popey> Free?
[12:24] <cbx33> hey up all
[12:24] <brobostigon> afternoonings cbx33
[12:26] <cbx33> howz it all going
[12:26] <mungojerry> you can learn a lot from google search suggestions...was typing julian assange, and saw that the second suggestion was julian assange okcupid
[12:27] <brobostigon> cbx33: no bad, just found an interesting job over in oxford, which i am reseraching, howa about you?
[12:27] <cbx33> oooh
[12:27] <cbx33> thinking more about the Git book I am writing
[12:28] <brobostigon> :)
[12:37] <ali1234> mungojerry: i wouldn't expect many neckbeards at a maker faire. macbook-toting guardian-reading hipsters with jewellery made from recycled electronics components probably strongly represented though.
[12:38]  * mungojerry has a circuit board coaster, and disk platter coaster/mirror
[12:38] <mungojerry> the magnets you get out of hard drives are brilliant, if ugly
[12:39] <ali1234> but do you have earrings made out of resistors?
[12:39] <shauno> bah.  nowt wrong with my macbook
[12:40] <ali1234> http://ny-image2.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.188234502.jpg
[12:41] <mungojerry> ali1234: i'm a man :)
[12:41] <mungojerry> looks like they might chafe too
[12:42] <ali1234> see, that's what a *real* geek would say. always practical.
[12:42] <mungojerry> capacitors would make better dangly earrings
[12:42] <popey> discharged ones, yes
[12:43] <popey> "try these on"
[12:43] <popey> "ZAP!"
[12:43] <brobostigon> lol
[12:44] <mungojerry> http://transistorsister.com/earings.html
[12:44] <mungojerry> they do a line in cufflinks too
[12:45] <screen-x> \o/ rainbow ribon cable earrings
[12:45] <brobostigon> recycling, :)
[12:45] <popey> some of them look quite heavy
[12:45] <mungojerry> my vim session has hung :(
[12:45] <ali1234> what have i done.......... *facepalm*
[12:45] <screen-x> hardcore jpg compression in the header :(
[12:46] <mungojerry> screen-x: yeah, lose geek cred there bigtime
[12:46]  * mungojerry looks to popey for a topic change
[12:48] <popey> done
[12:49] <screen-x> )
[12:49] <mungojerry> :'(
[12:50] <mungojerry> by the way...how can a bug reported in launchpad get reported as a duplicate of a higher numbered bug?
[12:50] <popey> it happens
[12:50] <ali1234> because duplicate field is set at any time in any direction
[12:50] <mungojerry> also, the higher number bug seems to be private :S
[12:51] <ali1234> security bug then
[12:51] <mungojerry> or maybe the bug reporter who did the higher number bug has privileges :)
[12:51] <ali1234> no, anyone can make a bug like that
[12:51] <bigcalm> A ticket might be worked upon and then somebody finds a previous ticket with similar properties and so closes it as a duplicate of the one being worked upon
[12:51] <ali1234> or the newer report might just be more detailed
[12:51]  * brobostigon made to much tea, so offers everyone a cuppa.
[12:51] <brobostigon> too*
[12:52] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:52] <bigcalm> Never too much tea
[12:52] <mungojerry> yeah, i can't see it :-S i don't think there's a security issue, but crash logs often get marked private by default ,
[12:52] <ali1234> yes if there is a core it will
[12:52] <ali1234> since it can contain just about anything
[12:53]  * mungojerry likes to submit crash logs from a scapegoat machine
[12:55]  * brobostigon is dissappointed at apt, empathy seems to have package inconsistencies.
[12:55]  * popey is reminded of the totem bug report containing a list of videos the person had watched
[12:55] <popey> including disney films and pr0n
[12:56] <brobostigon> lol
[12:57] <shauno> what's wrong with watching disney films?
[12:58] <brobostigon> shauno: maybe they were ripped off?
[12:59] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[12:59] <shauno> that's what we did for new years this year.  10 hours of singalongs & wine
[12:59] <shauno> but without the pr0ns, I don't know my neighbours /that/ well
[13:04] <mungojerry> popey: i remember that one...classic
[13:07] <ali1234> there are in fact several such bug reports, and not just with totem, and not even just from cores
[13:09] <mungojerry> http://www.guardian.co.uk/government-computing-network/2011/mar/09/government-needs-to-bring-it-skills-in-house
[13:09] <brobostigon> brb.
[13:15] <johnny_mckenzie> hi
[13:16] <DJones> Hi johnny_mckenzie
[13:16]  * brobostigon returns.
[13:17] <johnny_mckenzie> what's happenin'?
[13:17] <screen-x> johnny_mckenzie: we are fighting the inbalance in the topic )
[13:18] <johnny_mckenzie> what topic?
[13:18] <screen-x>  /topic
[13:20] <directhex> heh
[13:22]  * screen-x is trying to use javaws to start an ipmi viewer but gets 90 lines of stacktrace :(
[13:30] <mungojerry> what's all this census gubbins? i haven't received any letter yet
[13:30] <screen-x> mungojerry: I've got two, you can have my welsh copy ;-)
[13:30] <mungojerry> cool
[13:30] <mungojerry> pobol y cwm and all that
[13:30] <screen-x> yah
[13:33] <screen-x> apparently "ffynhonnell agored" ~= open source :)
[13:33] <mungojerry> LOL @ paper media...metro has big story on front page re: google that's about 3 days old
[13:34] <mungojerry> screen-x: that's not a religion
[13:34] <mungojerry> well it is to some
[13:34] <screen-x> religion?
[13:34]  * daubers doesn't belong to a religion
[13:35] <mungojerry> thought maybe you were thinking of entering ffynhonnell agored as your religion on the welsh census
[13:35] <daubers> I belong to the Cult of Irssi
[13:35] <mungojerry> the welsh probably have more druids too
[13:35] <MooDoo> mungojerry: we got our census pack the other day, i'm not going jedi this year
[13:35] <screen-x> mungojerry: ahh, no I was just playing with google translate..
[13:35] <daubers> Filled mine in and sent it back already :)
[13:35] <mungojerry> surprised if anyone goes jedi since jar jar binks
[13:35]  * mungojerry is feeling left out
[13:35] <screen-x> daubers: elektronical?
[13:35] <MooDoo> daubers: i'm doing mine on the net, can't be bother filling 32 pages
[13:35]  * shauno stab stab firefox
[13:36]  * screen-x passes chromium to shauno
[13:36]  * czajkowski needs to order another Census pack there are 7 of us in the house and only 6 spaces
[13:36] <mungojerry> czajkowski: cats don't count
[13:36] <shauno> screen-x: tried that, doesn't work with an in-house app :/
[13:36] <czajkowski> mungojerry: eh ?
[13:36] <X3N> is recce the same "I'm going for a recce around town" ?
[13:37] <daubers> screen-x: No, paper
[13:37] <screen-x> czajkowski: living in a commune?
[13:37] <daubers> MooDoo: You don't fill in all 32 pages....
[13:37] <shauno> tried raising it as a bug & got a lecture about installing unapproved software.  pfft.
[13:37] <MooDoo> daubers: phew!
[13:37] <screen-x> shauno: :(
[13:37] <mungojerry> my parents in law have facebook accounts for their dogs and will probably try to enter them on the census
[13:38] <screen-x> I quit facebook shortlyl after getting a friend request from a friend's dog.
[13:38] <shauno> we've got unauthorized servers running unauthorized attempts at reverse-engineering our own products, and I get told off for running chrome.  daft buggers.
[13:38] <brobostigon> mungojerry: my mum has a facebook account for her toy bear,
[13:38] <mungojerry> screen-x: yeah, a lot of "you might know this person"..are pictures of dogs now
[13:42] <shauno> on the plus side, just found out my annual bonus is way over target, so I get to go shopping for a new laptop :D
[13:42] <Tommeh> Am I right in thinking that, if KMS isn't available when booting Natty -- it falls-back to Gnome instead of Unity?
[13:42] <Tommeh> i.e. if using the Nvidia GLX driver.
[13:49] <mungojerry> any natty users check if software-center is working?
[13:51] <MooDoo> mungojerry: not here sorry
[13:52] <mungojerry> MooDoo: thanks...i think it's mid-update
[13:52] <mungojerry> next apt-get saw some update manager stuff
[13:52] <MooDoo> mungojerry: is natty gnome 3?
[13:52] <MooDoo> not really read much yet
[13:54] <BigRedS> If I'm installing to /usr/local an alternative version to a dpkg-installed app, where would I sensibly put the config files? /usr/local/etc?
[13:55] <daubers> !unity
[13:56] <daubers> MooDoo: ^
[13:56] <MooDoo> daubers: thanks
[13:57] <mungojerry> BigRedS: IMHO that's sensible and commonly done
[13:57] <mungojerry> /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/etc ,
[13:57] <BigRedS> mungojerry: ah, cool, that looked about right, but I don't recall seeing it before
[13:58] <mungojerry> BigRedS: used to do it a lot, but mainly on solaris/redhat boxes..it's good to use packages where possible
[13:59] <mungojerry> ever read the centos article about packages vs compiling ur own?
[13:59] <BigRedS> mungojerry: yeah, I want php5.2.x and php5.3.x on the same machine
[13:59] <BigRedS> and no, I've not. I'll see if I can find it
[14:20] <ZoeR> Hi"
[14:20] <ZoeR> Hi! even
[14:21] <brobostigon> hi ZoeR
[14:22] <DJones> Afternoon ZoeR
[14:22] <ZoeR> How are you all today?
[14:22]  * popey cuddles gord based on bug 721447
[14:22] <davmor2> popey: creep
[14:22] <popey> :'(
[14:22] <gord> yeah was fix committed on monday but i am lazy and didn't change the bug
[14:23] <brobostigon> ZoeR: not bad, trying fix an empathy natty package inconsistency. and you?
[14:23] <screen-x> hmmm, cant run jnlp file from chrome, cant launch with javaws in terminal, but can start from firefox. strange. )
[14:24] <Myrtti> I'm feeling strangely pissed off even when my vacation starts in about 36 hours
[14:24] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:24]  * Pendulum hugs Myrtti 
[14:24] <Pendulum> why shouldn't you feel pissed off?
[14:25] <dogmatic69> i just set up vsftp and made a new user that has /var/www set as its home dir (main ftp to 'sites') but it cant list anything in filezilla
[14:25] <dogmatic69> user is in www-data group and files are owned by the www-data group
[14:26] <dogmatic69> is that all wrong? and how can i get it to list in ftp now
[14:26]  * ZoeR is being distracted by a cat
[14:28] <popey> \o/ cats
[14:28] <screen-x> popey:) )  )    )        )                )                                )
[14:28] <popey> why screen-x, what a big chin you have
[14:29] <popey> s/chin/set of chins/
[14:29] <screen-x> \o/
[14:29] <kazade> anyone seen that HP will be shipping WebOS on all its PCs next year?
[14:30] <kazade> (alongside Windows)
[14:30] <ZoeR> WebOS? I don't think I've seen that one.
[14:30] <screen-x> It'll be interesting to see how they do that.. like a splashtop thing?
[14:31] <screen-x> ZoeR: originally on the palm pre
[14:31] <kazade> screen-x, I guess so
[14:31] <Myrtti> we went to have my mums cat castrated today
[14:31] <Myrtti> poor thing is lying senseless on a towel in the bathroom
[14:31]  * screen-x winces
[14:31] <ZoeR> Awwww
[14:32]  * DJones sheds a tear for the poor cat
[14:32] <AlanBell> kazade: http://twitter.com/#!/keybuk/status/43601058383138816
[14:33] <AlanBell> is that true do you think?
[14:33] <Myrtti> well, if he hadn't peed in my nephews football gear bag twice and on our shoes once, he'd still have his family jewels
[14:33] <Myrtti> so I think his demise is selfinflicted...
[14:34] <brobostigon> hormone driven, self-inflication.
[14:34] <kazade> AlanBell, sounds plausible...
[14:34] <screen-x> Myrtti: is the idea that after the event, they CBA to mark out their teritory any more?
[14:34] <Myrtti> screen-x: yup
[14:35]  * AlanBell will take care not to pee on Myrtti's shoes
[14:35] <Myrtti> it was my nephews football gear that was the last straw methinks
[14:35] <andypiper> well, marvellous... software-center is segfaulting on my Natty install
[14:35] <Myrtti> I just had to check and my laptop indeed doesn't have a windows licence sticker on it
[14:36] <Myrtti> in fact, it doesn't have a windows sticker of anykind, only a windows key
[14:36] <brobostigon> :)
[14:36] <andypiper> not that it matters when I can't actually use the trackpad per bug 730823
[14:36]  * popey tickles andypiper 
[14:37] <andypiper> bah
[14:37] <andypiper> humbug
[14:37]  * brobostigon has salt and vinager, potato twirly, snacky thingies.
[14:38]  * Myrtti should go make thai curry
[14:38] <popey> \o/ cury
[14:38] <brobostigon> yummy,
[14:38] <dwatkins> haha
[14:38] <popey> +r
[14:39] <screen-x> s/thai//
[14:42]  * andypiper wonders if he should raise bugs for all the applications that don't have (any|nice-looking decent res) icons in the Unity panel
[14:44] <czajkowski> andypiper: so hows natty  going for you
[14:45] <andypiper> honestly, were it not for the unity niggles (which are being worked on, and bugs reported), and critically, the touchpad... it's a *lot* better than I'd expected
[14:45] <andypiper> quite liking - on netbook
[14:45] <andypiper> not tried the full-sized experience yet
[14:46] <popey> i quite like it, even though (grrr) I have had to switch of ffm
[14:46] <popey> :(
[14:47] <czajkowski> ffm?
[14:47] <popey> Focus Follows Mouse
[14:47] <screen-x> evil nasty
[14:49] <popey> pfffft
[14:53] <DJones> Sheesh, how dumb do spammers/phishers/internet con's think people are http://pastebin.com/i413wrER Sending an email saying "HMRC have upgraded their equipment and we're due a refund, please fill in your details"....
[14:54] <hamitron> DJones: nice one \o/
[14:54] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5512294626/
[14:54] <popey> DJones: enough to make it worth sending, clearly
[14:54] <Myrtti> poor thing
[14:54] <popey> awwwwwwwwwww
[14:54] <popey> cute overload
[14:56] <DJones> I'm just debating whether to sign the "buskaronikal34@gmail.com" and "abcdursulica@gmail.com" email addresses that get pulled out from the form to some mass marketing/spam lists :)
[14:56] <andypiper> oh yeah, and lots of apps that haven't switched to app indicators yet are a bit of a pain
[14:56] <AlanBell> DJones: you have an unjustly high opinion of society at large
[14:56] <andypiper> and bug 729563 on chromium is a bit of annoyance
[14:57] <DJones> AlanBell: Quite possibly
[14:57] <AlanBell> I am freezing
[14:57] <andypiper> ... but the ticker on my Android launcher screen says 50 days to go
[14:57] <andypiper> plenty of time
[14:59] <czajkowski> Myrtti: need to tag pics as tag then I dont click and go eep in the office
[15:00]  * davmor2 has an image of czajkowski dancing a jig going eep eep eep
[15:01]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 
[15:02] <Myrtti> well atleast I didn't put the pictures of the snipped rear end out in public...
[15:02] <Myrtti> "count your blessings"
[15:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: the sad thing it now people who read that will have the same image :P
[15:03] <Myrtti> I'm still processing that sentence... I've not had enough sugar/caffeine today
[15:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: too tired! shhhh go have a nap or a time out
[15:05] <MooDoo> czajkowski: your violent today, i don't approve
[15:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: you're only jealous that it's not directed at you ;)
[15:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: it was earlier
[15:15] <ZoeR> wb
[15:18] <bigcalm> Me?
[15:18] <czajkowski> Would folks be interested in having a BBQ for the Natty release party here in Weybridge on Saturday 30th april ? if interested raise your hand? curious to see numbers
[15:18] <MooDoo> working :(
[15:18] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Mum and Gran's birthdays are that weekend :(
[15:19] <AlanBell> o/
[15:19] <czajkowski> cause I know the 29th is the royal wedding
[15:19] <bigcalm> Mum will be 60, so better no miss it
[15:19] <czajkowski> and the thursday is usually london and drinks
[15:21] <popey> bigcalm: you have 2.3 on your phone?
[15:21] <popey> does it support multiple active sync accounts?
[15:21] <popey> i think thats the term
[15:21] <bigcalm> popey: 2.3.3 :)
[15:21] <popey> for connecting to exchange servers
[15:21] <bigcalm> Erm, dunno. I only have one such account (hotmail)
[15:22] <bigcalm> As far as I knew, I could have added more than one since before now
[15:22] <popey> not on 2.2
[15:22] <bigcalm> Oh
[15:22] <popey> bloke here is asking, he has it
[15:23]  * dutchie wonders why blog.canonical.com is not on planet.u.c
[15:23] <bigcalm> I click Add an account and I can add another Corporate one
[15:24] <bigcalm> popey: yes I can add more if I had more, but I rarely use my one hotmail account as it is :)
[15:24] <mungojerry> BigRedS: which OS are you using?
[15:24] <mungojerry> regarding php52 /53
[15:25] <bigcalm> dutchie: too much spam?
[15:26] <dutchie> well afaict no news of the netbook edition disappearing has made it onto the planet
[15:28] <AlanBell> dutchie: well I don't think any of the authors are Ubuntu Members, but there is a process for getting corporate blogs approved
[15:28] <AlanBell> or going for Membership
[15:28] <dutchie> would have thought that canonical is something of a special case though
[15:28] <ZoeR> well, got to go. cya later! :D
[15:28] <mungojerry> dutchie: i think planet is broken
[15:29] <mungojerry> last message 11:47 yesterday
[15:29] <Tommeh> Anyone here with experience on using cgroups with libvirt?
[15:30] <AlanBell> dutchie: in theory it isn't
[15:30] <dutchie> AlanBell: i appreciate that, but "in theory"
[15:30] <AlanBell> "in theory" means "not really"
[15:30] <HazRPG> hi all :)
[15:31] <bigcalm> In this case, but not always
[15:33] <mungojerry> ubuntu planet has no new posts for over 24 hrs..certainly a technical issue based on usual post frequency
[15:34] <HazRPG> either that or nothing to report yet lol
[15:34] <andylockran> howdy guys
[15:35] <bigcalm> Morning
[15:35] <andylockran> just got myself a nice little sata->>usb/eSata docking station
[15:35] <HazRPG> hi-diddily-ho andylockran
[15:37] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[15:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoonings to you too :)
[15:37] <mungojerry> question: do people normally eat the navel from navel oranges?
[15:38] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[15:38] <HazRPG> mungojerry: the what now?
[15:38] <hamitron> mungojerry: the small seperate bit inside is fine
[15:39] <mungojerry> my mum told me not to when i was a kid...and i've always felt unsure since
[15:39] <hamitron> bit chewy but not to be wasted :)
[15:39] <hamitron> hmmm
[15:40] <soneill> is it not true that people used to eat oranges peel and all?
[15:40] <hamitron> a lot still do
[15:40]  * screen-x learnt to swallow tabbles by practicing with progressively larger pieces of orange peel
[15:41] <hamitron> peel can't be bad for you, when there are puddings with it sprinkled on top for decoration
[15:42] <hamitron> tbh, I don't like the skin ;)
[15:42] <HazRPG> most fruits you can eat the whole thing tbh
[15:43] <hamitron> pineapple and coconut I am not sure
[15:43] <mungojerry> coconut is a nut
[15:43] <hamitron> it is?
[15:43] <HazRPG> e.g. the white skin between each pomegranate seed inside is good for the immune system - however most don't eat it because its sour in taste, and also causes you to get dry mouth
[15:43] <hamitron> oh well ;)
[15:44] <mungojerry> HazRPG: i don't even like pomegranate seeds
[15:44] <hamitron> picking the cells from pomegranate must take more energy than they give...
[15:44] <HazRPG> I love the stuff, white skin included
[15:45] <HazRPG> hamitron: heh, see I don't pick them - I just eat it as is
[15:45] <mungojerry> they are pricey in the UK
[15:45] <hamitron> HazRPG: so not as hard work :)
[15:45] <HazRPG> cut into 4 quarters, then <om-nom-nom>
[15:46] <hamitron> I wouldn't advise swallowing the seed in a peach either
[15:46] <hamitron> ;)
[15:46] <HazRPG> I use to cut it into halves when I was a kid, peel the white bits then munch on the seeds, then peel white bits again
[15:46]  * screen-x eats a crunchy pear but leaves the core..
[15:47] <HazRPG> but as I grew up, and also as my nan made me soup out of the white bit, I realised that the skin was quite nice too
[15:48] <HazRPG> mungojerry: yeah I know they are :(
[15:48] <HazRPG> mungojerry: I mainly ate them in egypt and in saudi because they're very cheap over there
[15:48] <DJones> When I was a kid, I was always told never to eat the seeds in apples etc because the might grow inside me, it put me off fruit for life :)
[15:48] <mungojerry> i guess you eat figs whole too then
[15:48] <hamitron> haha DJones
[15:48] <screen-x> DJones: I fell for that as well :(
[15:48] <hamitron> I recall been told that
[15:48] <HazRPG> mungojerry: over here, I get them every now and then - but its hard to find them in the normal sourish taste (just before they're fully ripe)
[15:49] <HazRPG> I don't like it when its sweet
[15:49] <mungojerry> DJones: yeah..plus the navel thing, my mum said something about bugs laying eggs in the navel..i didn't want a caterpillar inside me
[15:49] <HazRPG> mainly because I never had them when it was sweet when I first started to eat them
[15:49] <screen-x> mungojerry: sounds like something from the matrix
[15:49] <kazade> hmm, what's the best way to migrate an SVN server permanently over to Bzr? svn2bzr or bzr-svn?
[15:51] <davmor2> kazade: find the lp channel on freenode and ask their they can give you the definitive answer :)
[15:52] <HazRPG> woah, this must have taken a lot of time to make: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjlnK1iWj8&NR=1
[16:00]  * andypiper raises his hand and yells at czajkowski so she doesn't miss his vote...
[16:01] <andypiper> (that's assuming she's not all a'maaaaaad at me...)
[16:01] <DJones> dutchie: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/09/canonical_ubuntu_editions/ There may be some comments now its appeared on el reg
[16:02] <czajkowski> andypiper: ohh
[16:02] <czajkowski> :D
[16:03] <czajkowski> andypiper: we shall finally meet!
[16:03] <andypiper> eeeeek
[16:03]  * andypiper prepares his disguise
[16:04] <andypiper> (of course if I'm the only invitee, the disguise may not help)
[16:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: how did Jon get on trying to put Fedora on gorgamon (netbook)
[16:04] <czajkowski> lol
[16:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: never tried and gorgamon is well hidden fro fedora going anywhre near it
[16:04] <czajkowski> dont be giving him ideas
[16:05] <HazRPG> that sounds like a digimon :/
[16:05] <czajkowski> I just thought for the Ubuntu UK loco we could do something FUn for a release party that is for the LoCo and run by the LoCo and thought of a BBQ....
[16:05] <czajkowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gormogon
[16:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: I thought gorgamon was dead so it wouldn't matter if it brought it back to life surely :D
[16:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh not fedora
[16:06] <czajkowski> I'd never hear the end of it
[16:06] <HazRPG> ah, I never got round to watching season 3 of bones yet
[16:10] <diplo> 3??!?1
[16:10] <diplo> It's on like 8 now ?
[16:10] <diplo> 6*
[16:10] <HazRPG> yeah I don't watch an awful lot of TV
[16:11] <diplo> :p
[16:11] <HazRPG> I'm usually too engrossed in my projects I always have going on
[16:11] <HazRPG> still haven't figured out how to make this spare blu-ray drive from a PS3 work on the PC :/
[16:12] <HazRPG> I know its definitely just using an IDE ribbon cable that appears to be the wrong way round
[16:12] <HazRPG> and extra pins
[16:14] <iulian> czajkowski: Thought of London as well?
[16:15] <czajkowski> well it'd be down in Weyrbridge
[16:15] <iulian> Cool!
[16:18] <HazRPG> my sister just recently bought the friends trivia game (for the PS2)
[16:18] <HazRPG> she's currently playing it now
[16:18] <HazRPG> how silly lol
[16:19] <morleypotter> May I ask a quick question please? When you end a remote ssh session are you also automatically logged out of the machine you are connecting to?
[16:19] <morleypotter> were connected to, rather
[16:19] <HazRPG> should be
[16:19] <popey> depends :)
[16:19] <popey> there may still be processes running as you at the other end
[16:20] <popey> depending upon what you did
[16:20] <popey> e.g. I have stuff running all over the place, yet I am not currently connected to those boxes
[16:20] <popey> however if all you do is "ssh remotehost" and then "exit" there's probably nothing running
[16:20] <popey> (unless you use byobu / screen, in which case there might be) :D
[16:20] <morleypotter> It's a web server (Ubuntu 10.4 server) & I have no way of checking
[16:21] <morleypotter> oh wait
[16:21] <morleypotter> i can just do 'exit' can't i
[16:21] <morleypotter> [feels stupid]
[16:22] <morleypotter> Apologies chaps
[16:22] <mungojerry> gormogon...that was a super lame ending to the Bones series, due to the writers strike
[16:24] <mungojerry> new ubuntu one logo..http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=809
[16:28] <Azelphur> now this is interesting...I'm running 2 X screens. One of them is completely frozen, the other one is fine
[16:29] <hamitron> Azelphur: these the ones on seperate graphics cards?
[16:29] <HazRPG> Azelphur: you seem to be getting a bit of jip recently lol
[16:30] <Azelphur> hamitron: yea
[16:30] <Azelphur> HazRPG: indeed, I thought I'd fixed my issues with a fresh install :(
[16:30] <hamitron> I was just thinking, I could try when i get my new comp... only the ITX board only has 1 slot ;)
[16:31] <Azelphur> yay I recovered the other X session
[16:45] <mungojerry> http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/ - not sure i really agree with the argument
[16:51] <DJones> mungojerry: I don't like not having a quit button on android, I find it hammers memory over time and I end up using a task killer to shut app's down
[16:55] <kazade> mungojerry, I'm all for dropping the Quit menu item, and ending the application when all it's windows are closed. It gets confusing with the whole tray thing, and I'm not convinced that MPT is going the right way with it
[16:56] <mungojerry> DJones: mobile OS functionality is only that way because of limitations, i don't think a fully fledged desktop OS should copy it
[16:56] <kazade> I think basically, if an application can run in the indicator applet, it should continue running when all it's windows are closed, but I *don't* think that they should quit depending on what they are doing (e.g. quitting when there is no music playing) and I do think that for those applications there should be a way to end them completely
[16:57] <kazade> so basically, the indicator is like having another window. Closing all windows ends the program. Apps in the indicator applet should gain a little close button.
[16:59] <mungojerry> it is also claimed that "hardly any applications have a quit button"
[17:00] <mungojerry> maybe we're all missing the point somewhere
[17:00] <brobostigon> is 30mins an acceptable poll time, for k9 on android, to pick up my mail. ?
[17:00] <HazRPG> haha I might have to get the soundtrack for Gun Loco :P
[17:00] <screen-x> I like the idea of splitting interface from function. It is nasty to have separate mail clients and notifiers.
[17:00] <HazRPG> if the homepage is anything to go by :P
[17:01] <screen-x> brobostigon: you decide
[17:02] <brobostigon> screen-x: i am trying to decide, i dont want it too often, as it will use too much power, however i dont want it to such huge length, i have masses to pickup and read, and use quallyhuge amounts of power.
[17:03] <screen-x> brobostigon: can you use an imap idle type thing? or is that unacceptably power hungry?
[17:03] <popey> brobostigon: i dont know how often my mail client polls :)
[17:03] <popey> and dont care :)
[17:04] <screen-x> popey: presumably yours "pulls" in some magical apple way.
[17:04] <brobostigon> screen-x: imap push, yes, that is possible.
[17:04] <AlanBell> imap IDLE
[17:04] <brobostigon> popey: :)
[17:04] <popey> i have 6 mail accounts on my phone
[17:05] <popey> 4 are imap, 3 are exchange
[17:05] <screen-x> hmm I meant pushes..
[17:05] <popey> there does seem to be some kind of push thing happening in some magical way, yes
[17:05] <AlanBell> it isn't a push
[17:05] <AlanBell> it just looks like it
[17:05] <screen-x> I only have one and its gmail/exchange. It consistently picks up new mail before the gmail web interface.
[17:05] <AlanBell> it is more like a very very slow pull
[17:06] <brobostigon> AlanBell: what is  itlike, compared to the other methods?
[17:06] <screen-x> AlanBell: idle?
[17:06] <popey> oh, mines set to manual
[17:06] <popey> i have 15, 30 and 60 mins as options, but dont use any of them it seems
[17:07] <AlanBell> if the server supports it you connect and give the idle command and the server sits there tapping it's fingers and not responding
[17:07] <AlanBell> until you get an email then it completes the response
[17:07] <AlanBell> then you pull
[17:07] <screen-x> AlanBell: but it is push, as the server notifies the phone by responding
[17:07] <brobostigon> AlanBell: do the gmail imap servers support it?
[17:07] <screen-x> even though the phone has to setup the request initially.
[17:08] <popey> brobostigon: yes but you set it up differently to do that
[17:08] <popey> "active sync" I think it's called on android
[17:08] <popey> "exchange" is what it's called on iphone
[17:08]  * andypiper throws terminology into a blender and presses the big button
[17:08] <brobostigon> popey: ok, let me look inside k9.
[17:08] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE#Software not on the list
[17:09] <popey> brobostigon: I'm talking about the default mail app, not k9
[17:09] <screen-x> brobostigon: I'd just use the official gmail app on android and not worry about it.
[17:09] <brobostigon> popey: i am not using the standerd app, i have to have sync on, and it uses too much power.
[17:10] <popey> why do you care how much power it uses?
[17:10] <screen-x> brobostigon: but if you turn sync off, your calendars dont get updated :(
[17:10] <brobostigon> popey: battery life.
[17:10] <popey> don't you have your phone plugged into a usb port/charger when you're at a desk?
[17:10] <popey> my phone is 100% more often then it is any other state
[17:10] <brobostigon> screen-x: thats doesnt worry me too much, once a day, is fine,
[17:10] <Azelphur> ^ is why I overclock my G2 :D
[17:11] <brobostigon> popey: my concern is when i am, not.
[17:11] <Azelphur> I charge it every night, and it gets charged at my desk, it holds fine
[17:11] <popey> how often is that brobostigon
[17:11] <Azelphur> I carry a spare battery if I'm going a long time without a charge
[17:11] <brobostigon> popey: every day pretty much, for a few hours, and thenmuch longer other days,
[17:11] <popey> i am rarely far from power
[17:12] <popey> and if the phone dies.. meh
[17:12] <screen-x> popey: friends in high places?
[17:12] <popey> screen-x: bless you
[17:13] <DJones> brobostigon: What phone have you got? I charge my desire hd overnight, use it during the day for email/bit of web browsing etc, maybe na hours reading at dinner time, another hour reading in the evening, and the batter rarely drops below 50%
[17:13] <brobostigon> popey: i can be far away from the possibility of plugging it in sometimes, so amworking out, for those occasions.
[17:13] <popey> \o/ batter
[17:14] <brobostigon> DJones: i also charge at night, and then plugin whenever possible.
[17:14] <popey> i have a charger by my bed, one in the den, one in the car and one at work on my desk :)
[17:14] <brobostigon> :)
[17:14] <screen-x> brobostigon: sounds like you need a usb battery thing, for extended away from desk.
[17:15] <DJones> I migt get one for the car so that using the driving directions wouldn't kill the battery
[17:15] <brobostigon> screen-x: a solar charger maybe, or a hydrogen fuel cell.
[17:15] <popey> solar seems less optimal
[17:15] <popey> you'd need to be sat still in the sun
[17:15] <shauno> I have a little external battery, but only really use it when traveling. only usually need to charge while I sleep
[17:15]  * popey looks out the window
[17:15] <brobostigon> agreed. popey
[17:16] <popey> plus for those times I'm away from power, I'm near a computer :)
[17:16] <davmor2> brobostigon: If it's pre android 2.1 makes sure you have APNdroid installed and knock off the 3g when there is a wireless signal you'll double your batterylife
[17:16] <popey> USB charging ftw
[17:16] <brobostigon> davmor2: its android 2.2.1
[17:16] <popey> yeah, i used to disable 3g when i was at home
[17:16] <popey> you dont need extra apps for that
[17:16] <popey> i had it on my hero 1.6
[17:17] <davmor2> brobostigon: have you thought of investing in a new battery in that case?
[17:17] <brobostigon> davmor2: i have a new bettery since xmas. and have it set to use 2g only.
[17:18] <davmor2> brobostigon: I'm on 2.1 and I can use google maps satnav long than you can use your phone.  I'd say you have an issue somewhere
[17:19] <brobostigon> earlier, while on 2g, and sync and background data turned off, and k9 polling every 30mins, it drained 1% in just over an hour.
[17:19]  * screen-x unplugs phone and goes home ;-)
[17:20]  * MartijnVdS gave up and now recharches his n1 at every opportunity
[17:20] <popey> yeah
[17:21] <popey> thats my method, then I dont have to worry about it
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> recharges*
[17:21] <popey> just plug it in at every opportunity :)
[17:21] <brobostigon> i think 1% an hour, is probebly the best i can achieve,
[17:21] <popey> o_O
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: set display brightness to minimal, set to airplane mode ;)
[17:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: brightness i have fully down, flight mode,defeats the point.
[17:23]  * MartijnVdS is still waiting for the Dutch price of the Xoom
[17:25] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: just change the dollars for Euros you'll be somewhere near close
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: probably, yes
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> I saw PC world sells them for £500
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> well pre-sells
[18:39] <czajkowski> region 1 or region 2 for dvd buying for UK ?
[18:40] <HazRPG> region 2
[18:40] <czajkowski> thanks
[18:40] <HazRPG> region 1 is USA
[18:40] <HazRPG> no problem :)
[18:41] <HazRPG> Region 2 btw, is for Europe, Middle East, Egypt, South Africa, Greenland a few a few others - so you'll be able to get a DVD that was released in any of those :)
[18:42] <czajkowski> yes I always seem to froget
[18:42] <czajkowski> forget
[18:43] <ging> all those greenlanders coming over here stealing our dvds!
[18:44] <HazRPG> haha
[18:44] <HazRPG> czajkowski: region 0 or (all) should work too without much faffing around with your DVD drive too :)
[18:45] <czajkowski> yeahb trying to find region 2 of the closer
[18:45] <ging> and they rigged all the world's maps to make greenland look way bigger than it really is to scare off would be invaders
[18:45] <HazRPG> ging: hehe
[18:45] <brobostigon> lol
[18:45] <czajkowski> ging: aloha!
[18:47] <ging> oh hi, just realised this isnt #surrey where i was last talking to you
[18:47] <czajkowski> ging: eh no
[18:48] <czajkowski> this is #ubuntu-uk
[18:48] <czajkowski> not many surrey folks in here
[18:48] <czajkowski> :(
[18:48] <ging> well irc channels all look a like
[18:49] <AlanBell> is #surrey on some other network?
[18:49] <brobostigon> accept for the tony little tag, tthe bottom of irssi to show what channel you are in.
[18:49] <ging> yeah
[18:49] <brobostigon> tiny little*
[18:49] <ging> AlanBell: irc networks all look alike too
[18:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye
[18:49] <AlanBell> they do, but I get confused by multiple networks
[18:50] <brobostigon> i am a two network man,
[18:50] <AlanBell> I connected to the gnome or debian one a few times but just ended up joining empty channels on the wrong networks so I don't bother now
[18:50] <ging> i used to be on 4 but i lost 1
[18:51] <popey> AlanBell: irc.lug.org.uk
[18:51] <popey> as is #hants
[18:51] <AlanBell> gwibber is on some other network
[18:51] <ging> do people talk in #hants now?
[18:52] <AlanBell> ok, so I did /connect irc.lug.org.uk
[18:52] <directhex> #hats?
[18:52] <popey> or irc.blitzed.org
[18:52] <popey> ^ prob better
[18:52] <AlanBell> now I want to /join #surrey on that network, not freenode. How do I do that?
[18:53] <czajkowski>    /connect server
[18:53] <AlanBell> did that part
[18:53] <brobostigon> ctrl + x to change network,
[18:53] <czajkowski> then as normal
[18:53] <brobostigon> onthe status window.
[18:53] <czajkowski> well youre joined to that network automatically
[18:54] <czajkowski> then /j #surrey
[18:54]  * czajkowski await the influx 
[18:54] <AlanBell> awesome brobostigon, thanks
[18:54] <brobostigon> :)
[19:02] <shauno> yaknow, I usually don't whine about people using whatever they want, software-wise.  but "/usr/bin/python^M: bad interpreter"  is a good sign someone's Doing It Wrong™
[19:07] <directhex> shauno, dos2unix
[19:17] <shauno> directhex: oddly, that doesn't seem to be in lucid.  so tr it is :/
[19:20] <directhex> shauno, tofrodos.
[19:20] <directhex> "fromdos" command
[19:22] <shauno> huh, funky
[19:22] <shauno> apparently pre-lucid that was linked from dos2unix, after lucid dos2unix is it's own package, so the command 'dos2unix' disappears for a single release
[19:30] <shauno> oh well.  tr's everywhere, so may as well learn to use it :)
[19:31] <shauno> (after a false start because I didn't realise it uses octal?)
[19:32] <phonex01>  im using ubuntu 10.10 and virtualbox so i wanna add a com port to my virtual machine
[19:32] <phonex01> what to do  ?
[19:33] <phonex01> im using win xp in the virtual machine
[19:33] <phonex01> i can see serial port in linux as ttyUSB4 coz i use usb converter
[19:34] <phonex01> anyone hear me !
[19:34] <AlanBell> hi
[19:34] <directhex> phonex01, you want to pass through a device in virtualbox?
[19:34] <directhex> phonex01, which version of virtualbox?
[19:34] <phonex01> 3.2.8
[19:35] <phonex01> version 3.2.8
[19:35] <AlanBell> is that the open source edition, or the Virtualbox.org/sun/oracle one?
[19:35] <phonex01> ya im using usb serial converter and i can see it in ubuntu as ttyUSB4
[19:35] <directhex> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualbox-2-how-to-pass-through-usb-devices-to-guests-on-an-ubuntu-8.10-host doesn't work?
[19:36] <phonex01> i saw all of these stuff !
[19:36] <phonex01> nothing help !
[19:36] <phonex01> i can not even see USB Tab !
[19:38] <phonex01> how can i update vitual box to virtual box PUEL
[19:38] <directhex> hm
[19:38] <directhex> there's no usb tab in 3.2.8 ose. it might be a feature of 4, or the sun virtualbox
[19:39] <phonex01> so ?
[19:39] <directhex> oh, but you can pass through a serial device
[19:39]  * brobostigon haz chocolate bar, :)
[19:39] <phonex01> how ?
[19:40] <directhex> machine settings, serial ports, enable serial port, port mode host device, port path /dev/ttyUSB4
[19:40] <phonex01> i went to serial tab and i added a host device
[19:40] <phonex01> i did that
[19:40] <phonex01> but i can not see it when run windows
[19:40] <AlanBell> like this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/Screenshot.png
[19:41] <phonex01> i did the same
[19:41] <phonex01> but i cant not see it with devices when i run windows !
[19:42] <directhex> AlanBell, that's sun vbox, with the usb menu?
[19:42] <ali1234> directhex: OSE doesn't support USB passthrough - and if you install the not-free version, there's a bug with file permissions that you have to fix before it works (or there was last time i tried it)
[19:42] <phonex01> no
[19:42] <directhex> don't ask me, i use kvm
[19:43] <phonex01> so what now
[19:43] <shauno> fwiw I have sun's 3.1.6, and there's a usb tab, so ose's the gotcha, not 4.x
[19:43] <phonex01> drop my laptop through the window ?
[19:43] <directhex> phonex01, that sounds like a completely sensible thing to do
[19:43] <ali1234> phonex01: did you install the guest drivers?
[19:44] <phonex01> you guest additions ?
[19:44] <phonex01> mean *
[19:44] <ali1234> yes
[19:44] <phonex01> ya i did that
[19:44] <ali1234> and do they match the virtualbox version?
[19:44] <phonex01> yes !
[19:44] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, Oracle virtualbox 4.0.4 r70112
[19:44] <phonex01> i installed them normally
[19:44] <phonex01> no it is 3.2.8
[19:44] <phonex01> from ubuntu repositers
[19:45] <AlanBell> sure, 4.0.4 is the one I took the screenshot in
[19:45] <ali1234> you have to install them inside the guest OS
[19:45] <phonex01> i told you i did
[19:45] <phonex01> guest additions is installed
[19:45] <AlanBell> I don't think serial is a feature of the guest additions ali1234
[19:46] <directhex> i agree
[19:46] <directhex> it's a basic windows thing
[19:46] <ali1234> ok, dunno then
[19:46] <phonex01> plz guys
[19:46] <directhex> phonex01, is the serial device listed in windows device manager?
[19:46] <phonex01> i have to use ICD2 kit programmer !
[19:46] <phonex01> no it is not
[19:46] <AlanBell> have you tried with a linux guest?
[19:46] <phonex01> i see just LPT1 !
[19:46] <AlanBell> just a live CD would do
[19:46] <directhex> phonex01, and if you add new device?
[19:47] <phonex01> wait i will try
[19:47] <phonex01> how to add new device ?
[19:47] <phonex01> i dont even see anything need drivers
[19:47] <directhex> phonex01, which windows?
[19:47] <phonex01> xp
[19:47] <phonex01> sp3
[19:48] <phonex01> i can see LPT1 !! even i dont need it !
[19:48] <directhex> phonex01, see it where?
[19:48] <phonex01> Port(Com,LPT) Tab
[19:48] <phonex01> i just see LPT1
[19:48] <directhex> odd, that doesn't sound familiar. tab in what?
[19:49] <phonex01> ok i see LPT1
[19:49] <phonex01> on device manager
[19:49] <phonex01> like that " Printer Port LPT1 "
[19:49] <popey> chickens
[19:49] <AlanBell> yes
[19:49] <popey> :)
[19:49] <directhex> oh, right, yeah.
[19:49] <phonex01> so i expect COM1 or somthing like that !
[19:50] <phonex01> but i cant see it
[19:50] <directhex> start, control panel, printers and other hardware, add device
[19:50] <phonex01> ok
[19:50]  * popey wonders if he's in the wrong channel
[19:50] <directhex> bottom option, "add new hardware device"
[19:50] <directhex> popey, clearly
[19:51] <phonex01> add mardware wizerd ?
[19:51] <phonex01> sorry hardware wizered ?
[19:51] <directhex> phonex01, y'know, it'd likely be much quicker/easier to install sun virtualbox rather than ose, and pass through the usb device.
[19:51] <directhex> phonex01, yes, hardware wizard.
[19:51] <phonex01> then waht ?
[19:52] <phonex01> there is two options
[19:52] <phonex01> the first one said " i have connect the device
[19:52] <phonex01> somthing like that
[19:52] <popey> I though there was only one version of virtualbox now
[19:52] <directhex> that one.
[19:52] <popey> and you just add the extras
[19:52] <phonex01> so whats next ?
[19:52] <phonex01> i have the devices list
[19:53] <directhex> bottom option to add a device not on the list
[19:53] <phonex01> ok
[19:53] <directhex> i can;t believe i'm supporting a decade-old non-free os i haven't run myself for about 4 years
[19:53] <directhex> free of charge
[19:53] <phonex01> ok then ?
[19:53] <AlanBell> popey: there is now, but this is the one in the repos
[19:53] <phonex01> search for
[19:53] <phonex01> or
[19:53] <phonex01> installed manuly
[19:54] <phonex01> hi directhex
[19:54] <phonex01> whats next ?
[19:54] <directhex> phonex01, manually. i think. i'm guessing!
[19:54] <popey> AlanBell: I have never used the one in the repo
[19:54] <phonex01> hahaha ok
[19:55] <phonex01> i have long night !
[19:55] <popey> 1) uninstall virtualbox
[19:55] <popey> 2) go to virtualbox.org, install their version
[19:55] <popey> 3) install extras on that site too
[19:56] <popey> 4) pass through usb device to guest OS
[19:56] <popey> 5) win
[19:56] <phonex01> ok
[19:56] <phonex01> i will do that popy
[19:56] <popey> in my opinion :)
[19:56] <AlanBell> and that won't damage your guest machine
[19:56] <livingdaylight> haro
[19:56] <phonex01> i will copy my gust machine harddisk
[19:56] <popey> herro!
[19:57] <brobostigon> evening livingdaylight
[19:57] <popey> bah
[19:57]  * popey goes back to work
[19:57] <shauno> you shouldn't have to touch your guest machine; it's expecting to find it right where it is
[19:57] <bigcalm> Work?
[19:57] <livingdaylight> guys, I launched VB and was told that there was an update to v4. but when I tried to install said .deb file i got error message of conflict? anyone?
[19:57] <phonex01> just for safety  !
[19:57] <livingdaylight> evening indeed brobostigon
[19:57] <livingdaylight> *VB = virtual box
[19:58] <directhex> ffs why do people keep using virtualbox? -_-
[19:58] <phonex01> i use it for some PIC programmer softwares
[19:58] <shauno> because it's free & easy
[19:58] <phonex01> like MPlab !
[19:58] <AlanBell> does that not run on Linux?
[19:58] <phonex01> no
[19:59] <directhex> shauno, unlike, say, kvm?
[19:59] <phonex01> they dont have a version for linux
[19:59] <phonex01> and i dont like to use Wine
[19:59] <phonex01> so thats it !
[19:59] <shauno> directhex: I've not looked into what it'd take to move a kvm guest to my mac.  or my xp machine at work
[19:59] <HazRPG> hmm, composing music from scratch is hard - specially when you have to define the instruments yourself!
[20:00] <HazRPG> seemed so much easier on other programs that give you samples to work with lol
[20:00] <phonex01> oh i hope one day there will be a version from protuos simulator for ubuntu
[20:00] <phonex01> this will be amazing
[20:01] <ali1234> HazRPG: i reccomend this series of articles: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/allsynthsecrets.htm
[20:02] <phonex01> im hungryyyyyyy
[20:02] <phonex01> and i feel coldddddd
[20:02] <AlanBell> !info piklab
[20:02] <phonex01> it is about snowing here
[20:02] <phonex01> oh good news
[20:03] <phonex01> wait
[20:03] <livingdaylight> http://img13.imageshack.us/i/screenshotpackageinstal.png/ if anyone cares to see error message
 can i use it with ICD2 kit
[20:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: thanks :)
[20:04] <ali1234> HazRPG: it's mainly about analogue synths but the theory is still useful
[20:05] <HazRPG> livingdaylight: looks like you'll have to remove virtualbox-3.2 first before you can install 4.0
[20:05] <ali1234> phonex01: yes you can
[20:05] <phonex01> no way
[20:05] <AlanBell> phonex01: http://piklab.sourceforge.net/
[20:05] <phonex01> are you serious ?
[20:05] <ali1234> yes way
[20:05] <livingdaylight> HazRPG, oh, I get you... I thought this was an update which would take care of that
[20:05] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, that page doesn't seem to load up
[20:05] <phonex01> wowowow
[20:06] <HazRPG> livingdaylight: some do, but some don't - it think it depends on its dependencies with other libraries
[20:06] <AlanBell> the one in maverick is two point releases behind the latest version
[20:06] <HazRPG> livingdaylight: if you remove 3.2, your settings should still be intact though
[20:07] <livingdaylight> HazRPG, trying to figure out how to remove it. Ubuntu software doesn't seem to 'see' it
[20:07] <HazRPG> haha, someone covered freestyler on the c64! xD
[20:07] <HazRPG> love that tune :)
[20:07] <directhex> livingdaylight, dpkg --purge
[20:08] <livingdaylight> directhex, and how do I find where it is installed?
[20:08] <HazRPG> livingdaylight: type that into terminal ;)
[20:08] <directhex> livingdaylight, it's a package. dpkg --purge virtualbox-3.2
[20:10] <livingdaylight> directhex, thx... I thought one had to cd into relevant file first
[20:10] <livingdaylight> shall I look for relevant .hidden files too?
[20:10] <HazRPG> livingdaylight: another way of doing it is going into System -> Admin -> Synaptic Package Manager
[20:11] <HazRPG> that's a gui app that will show you all packages you have installed, plus the ones you can grab from the repo
[20:11] <livingdaylight> HazRPG, of course! thx, for some reason I got used to using Ubuntu software
[20:11] <HazRPG> livingdaylight: yeah ubuntu software centre can be quite useful
[20:12] <HazRPG> ali1234: that site seems to hate me :/
[20:12] <livingdaylight> gonna reboot
[20:13] <ali1234> HazRPG: try this http://www.google.com/search?q=sound+on+sound+synth+secrets
[20:13] <ali1234> they might have some kind of strange paywall system
[20:13] <cbx33> hey guys
[20:13] <cbx33> howz it going
[20:14] <HazRPG> yeah, its just not working at all (even typing out soundonsound.com)
[20:14] <HazRPG> must be a DNS issue on my side
[20:14] <HazRPG> isup.me says its up, so yeah must be a DNS issue
[20:32] <AlanBell> what are some catchphrases from TV quiz shows?
[20:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> "You stupid boy!"
[20:34] <DJones> AlanBell: Give me a number
[20:34] <AlanBell> quiz shows!
[20:34] <ging> 7
[20:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Oooh you are awful... But I like you!"
[20:35] <DJones> AlanBell: "Can I have a P Please Bob?"
[20:35] <AlanBell> DJones has got the idea
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> "You'll like this. . . Not a lot, but you'll like it".
[20:35] <DJones> http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3112309/The-UKs-favourite-quiz-catchprases.html
[20:35] <AlanBell> perfect DJones, thanks
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> "final answer?"
[20:36]  * DJones bookmarks page ready for ubuntu-uk quiz
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> "pass"
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> "I've started so I'll finish"
[20:36] <AlanBell> DJones: I am not making a quiz of it (although you can) just writing a blog post
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> ...
[20:38] <DJones> Ah well, worth a try anyway
[20:38] <livingdaylight> yo
[20:39] <daubers> One from the bottom and two from the top please carol
[20:40]  * DJones settles down to watch The Lost Boys with a bottle of pear cider
[20:47] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/p/cuv/
[20:47] <popey> that looks _awesome_
[20:47] <jgjones_> Nice to see you.....
[20:47] <AlanBell> wow
[20:48] <jgjones_> bah why should the kids have all the fun :)
[21:00] <daubers> RIght, how do I kill the u1sync daemon
[21:00] <daubers> It's continously stop/starting
[21:00] <daubers> Can't kill it as it's process keeps reappearing
[21:01] <Laney> did minecraft.net die :(
[21:03] <daubers> \o/
[21:03] <daubers> Finally killed the stupid thing
[21:03] <daubers> load average: 1.83, 2.80, 2.27
[21:04] <daubers> stupid ubuntu one
[21:06] <bigcalm> Laney: that is always likely
[21:07] <Laney> argh
[21:07] <bigcalm> Works for me
[21:08] <Laney> YAY its back
[21:09] <bigcalm> And another addict gets their fix
[21:11] <Laney> building an underground tree farm
[21:11] <Laney> simple pleasures
[21:11] <Laney> Sucks that a game I paid for relies on a crappy server to play on a server I host myself
[21:11]  * Laney hmph
[21:16] <shauno> if the server isn't public, just set online-mode=false in the server.properties file, and you'll be able to connect with or without mc.net
[21:17] <shauno> it's apparently only discouraged for public servers because it means there's zero validation the client is who they claim they are
[21:18] <shauno> (which sounds like a gaping hole waiting to happen imho, but there ya go)
[21:18] <Azelphur> ^ meaning that anyone can empty your inventory
[21:18] <Azelphur> also minecraft is up now
[21:18] <Azelphur> my server is going well :D
[21:19] <shauno> yeah.  or log in as a name they know belongs to an op ..
[21:19] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:19] <bigcalm> Not sure why you'd run a server if you were the only person to connect
[21:19] <Azelphur> I'm not the only person :o, http://game.azelphur.com/minecraft-map
[21:19] <Azelphur> maps live btw :D
[21:20] <bigcalm> I was thinking aloud, not pointing the finger
[21:20] <shauno> not public doesn't have to mean not shared :)
[21:20] <Azelphur> oh :)
[21:25]  * brobostigon returns
[21:28] <shauno> that said, I've resorted to running a server locally so when the client dies, I don't log back in in the middle of a brick wall
[21:32] <Chat7635> m
[21:39] <zleap> hi
[21:43] <brobostigon> cyanogenmod.com is now ipv6, :)
[21:51] <lloowen> HI all :) I wanted to incorporate the 'inotifywait' command into a script, but I don't have it on my Ubuntu. What is the package name for this command? Thanks in advance.
[21:52] <bigcalm> iain@revo:~$ inotifywait
[21:52] <bigcalm> The program 'inotifywait' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[21:52] <bigcalm> sudo apt-get install inotify-tools
[21:53] <lloowen> thanks
[21:56] <bigcalm> Welcome
[22:16] <andylockran> howdy
[22:16] <andylockran> how's things dude and dudettes ?
[22:18] <zleap> good thanks
[22:43] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:10] <andylockran> wahey
[23:10] <andylockran> ubuntu in VirtualBox on my mac
[23:10] <andylockran> things are looking up :)
[23:11] <andylockran> anyone know how to page up/down using a mac keyboard on ubuntu...
[23:12] <Ng> andylockran: probably Fn and the cursor keys
[23:12] <andylockran> perfect
[23:12] <andylockran> it was the simplest way of getting terminator on my mac
[23:12] <andylockran> Ng: it's become an absolutely must-have for me
[23:13] <andylockran> Ng: Do you think it would be difficult to port it to OSX?
[23:13] <Ng> \o/
[23:14] <Ng> andylockran: to make it a properly native app? hard I imagine, it would be a pretty full rewrite. porting it as a gtk2 app? unknown. gtk2 ports exist for things like banshee. python is already in osx, but the real killer would be vte
[23:14] <andylockran> vte - is that terminal emulator?
[23:15] <Ng> yeah
[23:15] <Ng> it must be fairly portable and at least OSX is a unix
[23:16] <andylockran> It's probably not a sensible project for a programming n00b like myself - but I'll definitely take a look at it
[23:16] <andylockran> best terminal app I've used by far - especially with larger screens it becomes uncannily handy
[23:17] <Ng> I wish it was better, but it's been more than sufficient for my needs for quite some time, so the motivation to polish it further is difficult to find
[23:17] <Ng> I'd hope that someone else would be inspired to push it further, but for now people seem happy enough ;)
[23:18] <andylockran> It's just become invaluable for me.. not a massive fan of tabs and rarely rememeber which one I was on
[23:19] <Ng> if I'd stuck to my guns, we'd have never put tabs into it at all - it exists precisely because I hate tabs for terminals ;)
[23:19] <andylockran> so just launch a new window with either ctrl-o or ctrl-e depending on which suits best, then ctrl-x it to work on it
[23:19] <Ng> indeed :)
[23:19] <andylockran> then ctrl-x it again to get the 'dashboard' mode of all the terminals you need
[23:19] <andylockran> what more could a (wo)man need.
[23:20] <andylockran> ctrl-z is also useful for demoing
[23:20] <Ng> yep
[23:20] <andylockran> as a quarter screen zoomed in tends to work out when when scaled :)
[23:21] <andylockran> oops
[23:21] <andylockran> byobu just died during my upgrade.
[23:22] <andylockran> uncleverly it also killed the upgrade ;)
[23:22] <andylockran> right - off to bed... Nottingham tomorrow
[23:24] <hamitron> :)
[23:25]  * hamitron is looking forward to his parts arriving 1 day earlier than planned
[23:26] <HazRPG> woo!
[23:26] <HazRPG> chinese + being human on iplayer = winner!
[23:27] <hamitron> chinese are human? ;)
[23:28] <HazRPG> er... yes
[23:31] <shauno> a bit late, but re terminator on mac; if you're happy to install X on the mac, instead of going native, it's probably a very straightforward build
[23:32] <shauno> somewhere around 2.2 I had the entire gnome-desktop (minus evo .. argh) built & working
[23:39] <HazRPG> shauno: nice
[23:40] <shauno> oh dear.  99% on /
[23:40] <shauno> looks like springcleaning comes early
[23:43] <jgjones> Just wondering....anyone got a WP7 phone?
[23:46] <AlanBell> do you think anyone will admit to it?
[23:47] <directhex> AlanBell, i think it's an interesting, but crippled, platform
[23:47] <HazRPG> shauno: 99%??
[23:47] <directhex> AlanBell, i'd love to be able to review it on its merits... but its lockdown makes such a review impossible
[23:48] <HazRPG> shauno: is that all the applications you have installed
[23:48] <HazRPG> ah... wait, your on Mac
[23:48] <directhex> you're
[23:48] <shauno> no, $HOME is the glutton :)
[23:48] <HazRPG> how much have you given /
[23:48] <shauno> about 450G
[23:51] <HazRPG> woah, and you've filled up 99% of it :o!
[23:54] <shauno> $ du -sh ~
[23:54] <shauno> 361G	/Users/soneil
[23:54]  * hamitron would consider a WP7 phone
[23:54] <shauno> apparently I'm messy :)
[23:57] <hamitron> anyone got any free sand?
[23:57] <hamitron> err, wrong chan
[23:57] <HazRPG> hamitron: er, what?
[23:57] <HazRPG> hamitron: I'm intrigued now! :P
[23:57] <hamitron> minecraft
[23:57] <hamitron> ;)
[23:57] <HazRPG> ah
[23:57] <HazRPG> oh... :(
[23:58] <HazRPG> thought you were going to say you were building sandcastles... or trying to make glass irl...
[23:58] <hamitron> :)
[23:58] <hamitron> I have more sand irl than in minecraft atm