[02:44] <pleia2> metta: the meerkat stickers came from the linux pro magazine folks
[02:47] <metta> pleia2: ohhhhhh
[03:37] <metta> "human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!"
[03:47] <metta> mike starr's death is hitting me harder than it should
[03:47] <metta> the dude kind of reminds me of my brother, in terms of looks
[03:48] <metta> and i've been running around saying "dope schmick/ey" everywhere i go
[03:49] <metta> an allusion to "celebrity rehab" when tom sizemore said "dope sick, schmick" when mike starr was complaining about heroine withdrawals
[03:51] <MarkDude> Hmmm for some people fame can be gasoline on already bad problems
[03:52] <metta> MarkDude: there is nothing on Gilgamesh's plan to get back out of hell on wikipedia
[03:52] <metta> navigating to hell is one thing, finding a way out is a whole new problem :|
[03:53] <metta> i suppose i could check torrents for the whole book
[03:53] <MarkDude> metta- there are a few versions of the story
[03:54] <MarkDude> The important part of the story- is that civilization could only understand so much
[03:54] <MarkDude> IMHO
[03:55] <MarkDude> Humankind could only see problems at the time of their 1st epic
[03:55] <metta> MarkDude: this doesn't sound very practical.  is it?
[03:56]  * MarkDude thinks it is
[03:56] <MarkDude> LAter solutions offered answers- many of them had payoffs after one was dead
[03:57] <MarkDude> Gilgamesh is very honest in pointing out that yes- sometimes you are just screwed- COPE on it
[03:58] <metta> coping isn't the problem
[03:58] <metta> i'm not *that* screwed
[03:59] <MarkDude> And there in lies the beauty- most of us are NOT that screwed
[03:59] <MarkDude> Life is not that bad, things can always be worse
[04:00] <MarkDude> THAT is the reason you should at least listen to it on Librivox
[04:00] <metta> i'll read it
[04:00] <MarkDude> Takes a weekend at most
[04:00] <metta> assuming i can find a copy
[04:01]  * MarkDude had got it at the library
[04:03] <metta> my notebook is my library
[04:03] <metta> as it should be
[04:03] <metta> found a copy :D
[04:13] <MarkDude> Good deal
[04:13]  * MarkDude wishes he knew more about the differing versions
[04:16] <akk> Of Gilgamesh? (It's been hard to figure out what this convo is about.)
[04:16] <MarkDude> Yes
[04:17] <akk> It was an eye-opener for me -- I didn't know the story of Noah (and a few other Bible stories too) had been stolen from an older source.
[04:19] <MarkDude> It gives good context on human civilization for numerous reasons. Studying how the languages brought differing takes to stories brings an interesting perspective, IMO
[04:20] <akk> We had to search a bit to find a copy. I see Gutenberg claims to have one, but it seems to be all notes and not the actual story.
[04:20] <akk> I forget where I found our copy, maybe amazon used.
[04:21] <MarkDude> Sometimes stories are so interesting- folks feel the need to borrow it as their own
[04:21] <MarkDude> :)
[04:22] <akk> They say there are no new stories, they all borrow from earlier ones ...
[04:23]  * MarkDude agrees- they maybe came up with a few new twists in the 1920s maybe 70s- as tech grew
[04:25] <metta> that's kind of an interesting thing about sentences, supposedly this sentence that i am typing has never been typed before
[04:25] <metta> so in a sense stories are different when they are rewritten, but yeah, it's probably a "hero of a thousand faces" kind of thing.
[04:25] <metta> archetypal
[04:25] <MarkDude> Shakespeare took borrowed from earlier stuff supposedly too. Maybe most of this all was written was written by a few people in a tent
[04:26] <metta> no story is written in a bubble
[04:26] <MarkDude> George Carlin has a funny NSFW bit about sentences never said before
[04:26] <akk> One that was wouldn't be very interesting.
[04:26] <metta> here it will make it more official.  "no story is written in a bubble."
[04:27] <MarkDude> Even that is no man is an island ;)
[04:27] <metta> George Carlin isn't really dead
[04:27] <MarkDude> His words carry on
[04:28]  * MarkDude thinks we need more comedians/humorists that are willing to take things to the Supreme Court
[04:28] <metta> So do Rufus'
[04:28] <MarkDude> Especially the non-tragic types
[04:29] <MarkDude> Not as much the Lenny Bruce- more so the Carlin
[04:30] <metta> the supreme court would just choose not to hear the case
[04:30] <metta> what case?  i have no idea
[04:32]  * MarkDude PMed you a wikipedia link
[04:33] <metta> i vaguely remember this bit
[04:33] <MarkDude> His theory was that words were just words
[04:34] <metta> yeah,  i saw carlin's bit on this
[04:34] <metta> i think he was wearing a green turtleneck
[04:35] <metta> i should be making more youtube videos
[04:35] <metta> but cheese is acting up
[04:36] <metta> aside from that, i honestly don't know what to do with my life
[04:36] <metta> aside from look for a job
[04:37]  * MarkDude suggesxt you dont go looking for a *purpose in life* UNLESS you are ready to follow it
[04:38] <metta> i'll put that in the oblong suggestion box
[04:38]  * MarkDude wondered the same thing a few years ago.... became a renunciate- let go of everything minus a backpack- all to find my purpose with helping others
[04:39]  * MarkDude suggests hobbies take far less time :)
[04:39] <MarkDude> lol
[04:39] <metta> i found my purpose, it is that i suck.  end of story.
[04:39] <metta> i think i should be focusing on trying to save myself
[04:39] <MarkDude> Well so do I- does not mean it limits my helping
[04:39] <akk> I still can't decide what to do when I grow up, so I'm in no hurry to do so, and try to enjoy life in the meantime.
[04:40] <MarkDude> Good point akk :)
[04:40] <metta> if i am helping, it is hard to determine how
[04:41] <metta> but maybe that's because i'm presently sitting behind a computer
[04:42] <metta> i don't feel very productive right now
[04:44] <MarkDude> Well more than half of life is just showing up, imho
[04:55] <iheartubuntu> akk i recall there being an app in the reps a couple years back
[04:55] <iheartubuntu> cant find it now!
[04:56] <akk> It's possible kstars or stellarium can download satellite info.
[07:03] <iheartubuntu> do we have a spot on the net where I can pull up archived mailing list emails?
[07:05] <iheartubuntu> pinging anyone? anyone? :)
[07:05] <pleia2> what mailing list?
[07:06] <iheartubuntu> the california one?
[07:06] <pleia2> there is an archives page, one of the options should be to download as mbox
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> no way to just find one particular email as an html page
[07:07] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> thanks pleia2
[07:07] <pleia2> sure
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> cool awesome
[07:11] <iheartubuntu> also, breaking news (sorta kinda). Richard Gaskin and I (he spoke at UbuCon) will be hosting an Ubuntu Hour in Pasadena and syncing it with the local LUG. So should be every first tuesday of the month.
[07:19] <iheartubuntu> hope to work something out with philip too for another SoCal location. And metta... did you see my twitter feed sunday night? i found a hot spot in lakewood for an ubuntu hour. thats not too far from you is it?
[07:19] <iheartubuntu> metta
[07:19] <iheartubuntu> ding dong
[07:20]  * iheartubuntu is finally using all 4 workspaces in ubuntu
[07:39] <iheartubuntu> ping - metta
[16:56] <iheartubuntu> @NASA space shuttle coming in for landing... http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[16:58] <akk> I missed it going overhead last night -- got an alert about it just in time to see the ISS but not the shuttle preceding it.
[17:02] <MarkDude> We learn good stuff from space- I hope the US plan to stay up there works
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> so two more launches. one in april, last one in june
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> thats hard to believe
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> i read a report that "generation Y" isnt interested in space or nasa
[17:09] <iheartubuntu> 40% think its stupid
[17:10] <akk> I thought this was supposed to be the last launch?
[17:11] <akk> It's hard to take "last launch" reports seriously because they cry wolf on every one (like Hubble repairs).
[17:11] <MarkDude>  Fools have been and always will be the majority of mankind-  Denis Diderot	
[17:12]  * MarkDude blames lack of proper science teaching in school- what passes as a science reporter is sad
[17:14] <iheartubuntu> last launch for this vehicle
[17:14] <akk> Heard a great new term, "churnalism": reprinting press releases as news without editing or adding anything.
[17:14] <akk> Which is, sadly, what most science reporting is now.
[17:14] <iheartubuntu> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/index.html
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> (from nasa twitter) STS-133 was the 39th and final flight for Discovery, which spent 365 days in space, orbited Earth 5,830 times and traveled 148,221,675 miles
[17:15] <akk> Ah, I guess this is just Discovery's last mission, not the last shuttle mission.
[17:17] <iheartubuntu> im becoming a twitter fanboy. its great i can follow the people and things im interested in, without having to get emails from every single one
[17:18] <akk> I like twitter for following breaking news, but I don't like it much for conversations -- if you're not around when someone @ addresses you, you can miss a note entirely.
[17:19] <akk> I finally wrote a little python script to ask twitter for @akkakk references, been thinking about running it as a cron job.
[17:20]  * MarkDude would consider that a common sense filter akk
[17:20] <akk> Too many times I've checked and found out somebody said something to me 3 days ago and I didn't know.
[17:20] <MarkDude> You and your reasonableness- being what it is :)
[17:21] <MarkDude> Sounds like a better option than Gwibber for most- fine line between keeping track- and needing to know- the exact moment someone says stuff
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> would be a great addition to gwibber actually
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> if someone mentions you, gwibber will have a green icon or something just for mentions to you or direct messages
[17:26] <akk> The twitter client I wrote had that -- it always showed you recent mentions and direct messages, highlghted.
[17:26] <akk> But then they changed the authentication and I didn't have time to figure out how to rewrite it, and bitlbee got twitter support so I switched.
[17:27] <akk> But that's the problem with twitter: you can write an app that does what you want, but that doesn't mean other people will see your message, 'cause their client might not show them.
[17:30] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, you can set that up as a search
[17:30]  * MarkDude had that for ZA- I could see mentions of the company via Facebook, Twitter- all of it
[17:31] <iheartubuntu> cant seem to find the info online. would anyone know how to send a message to someone on IRC who is not currently online?
[17:32] <akk> In general, you can't. Many channels have a bot that has commands to do that. I don't know if there's one here.
[17:33] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: you can use memoserv, but it can be hard to see alerts from it telling you you have a memo (they scroll by with other login stuff, I never see them)
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> ohh yes thats it thanks
[17:34] <iheartubuntu> so looks like the first ubuntu hour in pasadena is set up!
[17:34] <pleia2> great :)
[17:34] <akk> yay
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> richard gaskin and i will be hosting it every second tuesday of the month in line with the LUG at Cal Tech nearby
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> so after the UH, we can trod over to cal tech a block away
[17:35] <iheartubuntu> trying to get a hold of jbermudes now since i think he is also near to the area
[17:36] <iheartubuntu> hope to get philip together for a claremont UH as well
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> what do all of you think of doing a UH while a farmers market is going on? there is a starbucks right in claremont where the weekly farmers market is
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> massive amounts of people :)
[17:37] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: a lug around here had a booth at a farmer's market, they did very well :)
[17:37] <pleia2> lots of new people
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> a monthly UH on a sunday there at the starbucks would be big i think. and philip was saying he comes up to the area sometimes on the weekends so it would work out pretty good.
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> theres even a metrolink train station nearby
[17:54] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, I had a few people not be happy when I used memoserv
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> i guess i shouldnt expect a reply :)
[17:54] <MarkDude> Depends on the person of course
[18:37] <MarkDude> buddha-juice, great nick
[18:37]  * MarkDude would wear it on a shirt :)
[18:39] <iheartubuntu> a.k.a. metta?
[18:48]  * MarkDude guesses so
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> what percentage of alcohol is buddha juice?
[19:04] <iheartubuntu> or is it mostly #tigerblood
[19:16] <MarkDude> Severed Fifth live at Noon http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studio - be there :)
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> noon our time?
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> duh
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> id imagine :)
[19:18]  * MarkDude almost included PST
[19:19] <iheartubuntu> im good at the dumb questions
[19:20]  * MarkDude is GREAT at it
[19:46] <buddha-juice> if you say buddha-juice 3x does buddha-juice appear?
[19:46] <buddha-juice> allusions to beetlejuice
[19:47] <MarkDude> Maybe if sitting under the Bodhi tree ;)
[19:47] <buddha-juice> staring Kevin Demarest
[19:47] <buddha-juice> dude, bummed about mike starr
[19:47] <MarkDude> How are you doing?
[19:47] <buddha-juice> there is only a weeping fig here
[19:47] <buddha-juice> i dunno
[19:47] <buddha-juice> he kind of looked like my brother, now he's dead.
[19:50] <MarkDude> Well, Rock has quite a bit of it
[19:50] <MarkDude> Unfortunately
[19:51] <buddha-juice> yeah, true
[19:51] <buddha-juice> hell-o iheartubuntu
[19:51]  * iheartubuntu in live chat with DELL - no more ubuntu apparently
[19:51] <buddha-juice> i believe i heard something about an ubuntu hour in csula
[19:52] <buddha-juice> DELL has no ubuntu T_T
[19:52] <buddha-juice> i don't have any ubuntu either
[19:52] <buddha-juice> i do have this software on my computer though
[19:52] <buddha-juice> *rimshot*
[19:52] <MarkDude> :)
[19:53] <MarkDude> Dell- we have no Ubuntu- but at least we have 50% less leaky capacitors
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> seidos, so what do u think about an UH down in lakewood mall starbutts>
[19:53] <buddha-juice> i'd go
[19:53] <buddha-juice> i am looking to sell my car
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> just got a dell business catalog in the mail right now. no ubuntu and big i mean BIG Microsoft logos on every other page
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> how much?
[19:54] <buddha-juice> i'll take public transportation
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> i have some bitcoins ;)
[19:54] <buddha-juice> 1999
[19:54] <buddha-juice> haha
[19:54] <buddha-juice> the processing was too expensive
[19:54] <buddha-juice> i'm selling because i can't afford registration
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> when people no longer laugh, then bitcoins will make it big\. until then. i am laughing also :)
[19:54] <buddha-juice> it's like $190 i think...what is that in bitcoins?
[19:54] <buddha-juice> heh
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> 200 bitcoins
[19:54] <buddha-juice> i set it up but there was too much thrashing of the hdd
[19:55] <buddha-juice> i'm not willing to wear down my hdd for a pipe dream
[19:55] <buddha-juice> brb
[19:56] <iheartubuntu> from DELL just now :) --->"Dear Mr Appleseed, my manager has already sent word about Ubuntu computers as we  speak. Johnny, currently, he has no information yet, rest assured that  we will give you notice on that since we have your email address already."
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> shes calling me johnny appleseed :)
[19:57] <MarkDude> Are you wearing a pan on your head currently?
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> no, tinfoil
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> tuning in now to Severed Fifth
[20:00]  * MarkDude had a great tinfoil hat slide in my Upscale talk
[20:02] <iheartubuntu> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studio
[20:03] <buddha-juice> well, if you are Dell, why would you pay canonical when you can just hire someone to make "Dell Linux" or whatever they'll call it
[20:04] <buddha-juice> i guess you'd be paying for the community behind ubuntu...
[20:04] <buddha-juice> hmmmm
[20:05] <buddha-juice> oh why does software have to be some complicated
[20:06] <MarkDude> Because when software is smart- it will be Skynet time
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> is this our jono?
[20:06] <buddha-juice> oh why does psychology have to be so complicated
[20:07] <buddha-juice> berkeley jono, yeah
[20:07] <buddha-juice> canonical's jono :D
[20:07] <MarkDude> Same chap.
[20:08] <iheartubuntu> whee is he broadcasting from?
[20:08] <iheartubuntu> is markdude off to the side of the camera? :)
[20:08] <MarkDude> He will be have a bugjam April 1st at Saxbys in Walnut Creek
[20:08] <buddha-juice> april fool's
[20:08] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, no.
[20:08] <buddha-juice> well dpkg-buildpackage seems to have worked
[20:08] <buddha-juice> but where the binary is...beats me
[20:09] <MarkDude> I am in some other of the concert - taking pictures
[20:10] <buddha-juice> and now it doesn't
[20:10] <buddha-juice> maybe because i moved the binary
[20:11] <buddha-juice> nope
[20:11] <buddha-juice> anyone know where i can get an maudio box cheap?
[20:11] <buddha-juice> i think i'd rather be singing than figuring out how to compile empathy
[20:12] <buddha-juice> it is not behaving logically
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studio
[20:12] <buddha-juice> hahahahaha "fwoop"
[20:12] <buddha-juice> that's a good one
[20:13] <MarkDude> akk is tooo cool
[20:13] <MarkDude> I just cant imagine someone disliking her
[20:13] <buddha-juice> i can
[20:13] <buddha-juice> grrrrr
[20:14] <MarkDude> lol
[20:40] <buddha-juice> it's hot in the desert today
[20:40] <buddha-juice> i think it's time for some npr
[20:41] <buddha-juice> what's going on in Bell.  the world's gone crazy.
[20:41] <buddha-juice> Libya is asking for US involvement
[20:41] <buddha-juice> that would be another disaster
[20:49] <MarkDude> We are already busy screwing around in toooo many places in the world right now
[20:50] <MarkDude> I dont think the world was ever SANE tho
[21:02] <iheartubuntu> shes nice
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> the UN has like 180 countries and the US gives aid to 155 of them? Yikes.
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> We have 50 mini countries right here.
[21:05] <iheartubuntu> jono did a great job on the video today
[21:05] <iheartubuntu> very impressed
[21:05] <iheartubuntu> not my fave music, but impressed. music is music
[21:08] <MarkDude> Well my Grandma says she like what jono does- she does not however prefer to listen to it
[21:08] <MarkDude> She supports it in general- the idea of geeks making loud music appeals on many levels
[21:10] <jono> thanks iheartubuntu
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> buddha-juice can you make it to lakewood mall some day for a UH? with or without car? it was very crowded there last sunday night. i was surprised
[21:34] <buddha-juice> iheartubuntu: yeah man
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> we'll have to figure one out then and see how it does
[21:34] <buddha-juice> all right
[21:38] <buddha-juice> interesting, chromium is in the software center
[21:39] <MarkDude> Yep buddha-juice it is the cutting edge version also
[21:40] <buddha-juice> MarkDude: yeah, i'm not looking to use it.  i figure if it's so great, it would have replaced ff already
[21:40] <buddha-juice> that is, in the default installation
[21:40] <iheartubuntu> what about tiger-juice
[21:40] <buddha-juice> eh?
[21:40] <iheartubuntu> chromium is default in lubuntu i think
[21:41] <buddha-juice> lubuntu isn't ubuntu
[21:41] <buddha-juice> :D
[21:41] <buddha-juice> what's tiger-juice?
[21:41] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, #tigerblood is a channel on Freenode
[21:41] <iheartubuntu> im just saying it might not be far off
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> serious?
[21:42] <buddha-juice> zebra-juice
[21:43] <jtatum> #winning
[21:43] <buddha-juice> i think i have spent too much time on undernet
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> whats undernet another irc
[21:44] <MarkDude> jtatum, even better :)
[21:44] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: undernet is another IRC network.
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> with a house built in 1916 i have spent too much time underhouse
[21:45] <buddha-juice> i've been underhouse before, when i had a place in long beach
[21:45] <buddha-juice> pulled cable...replaced a sewer pipe
[21:46] <buddha-juice> i bet a house built in 1916 probably isn't bolted to the foundation
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> no
[21:46] <MarkDude> Folks to the east have cellars and basements- that weord stuff
[21:46] <MarkDude> weird
[21:46] <buddha-juice> the place in long beach was built in the 30s
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> my grandpappy in OH had a basement where he made wine
[21:48] <buddha-juice> i have only made whine
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> HAHA
[21:48] <buddha-juice> my grandpappy in sacramento had a stutter
[21:48] <MarkDude> lol
[21:50] <iheartubuntu> ok, so are we doing an ubuntu oktoberfest day up in big bear, CA this oktober?
[21:50] <buddha-juice> blowvemberfest, where everyone drinks tea
[21:51] <buddha-juice> yah!
[21:55] <buddha-juice> to be entertaining, you really got blab rapidly
[21:55] <buddha-juice> *gotta'
[21:55] <buddha-juice> i can't even blab rapidly on irc
[21:56] <buddha-juice> no, really, you're blabbing just fine buddha-juice
[22:07] <buddha-juice> i think i'll practicing my throwing
[22:07] <buddha-juice> not my typing though
[22:08] <MarkDude> What are you throwing buddha-juice ?
[22:26] <Torikun_> jdeslip, yo, is there a meeting this Sunday?
[22:28] <jdeslip> Torikun: yep
[22:28] <Torikun_> Cool
[22:28] <Torikun_> How ya been
[22:28] <jdeslip> 12pm at Bobby G's
[22:28] <jdeslip> pretty good
[22:29] <Torikun_> Alright I will try to make this one
[22:29] <jdeslip> sweet
[22:29] <jdeslip> err... you did mean BerkeleyLUG right? Or maybe you meant IRC
[22:29] <Torikun_> jdeslip, you interested in ec2?
[22:30] <Torikun_> Berkeley Lug
[22:30] <Torikun_> lol
[22:30] <jdeslip> Never really used it, but ya, I am interested
[22:30] <jdeslip> You an expert?
[22:30] <Torikun_> I can hook you up with our community ec2 server