[02:00] <iRabbit> Anyone find a sure fire solution to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 230M driver issue with 10.10? Was working fine until I ran an update 2 weeks ago
[02:01] <Mase_wk> iRabbit: which driver are you using ?
[02:02] <Mase_wk> the proprietary driver, nv or neuvou ?
[02:02] <iRabbit> I get an error when I boot into GUI
[02:02] <iRabbit> then it defaults to cli
[02:02] <Mase_wk> right, so can you just let me know which driver you are using ?
[02:03] <iRabbit> I uninstalled all the nvidia stuff, which is what one tutorial wiki had me do
[02:03] <iRabbit> so I'm at a bit of a loss for where to go
[02:03] <iRabbit> the error when I boot is.... standby... its short
[02:03] <Mase_wk> right so you currently have no driver installed ?
[02:04] <Mase_wk> is that correct ?
[02:04] <iRabbit> supposedly
[02:04] <Mase_wk> right well my instructions to help you, require you to be sure
[02:04] <Mase_wk> so can you please find out for me, otherwise i can't help you
[02:06] <iRabbit> sure standby... if it helps .... the error which has remained the same since this happend is [9.822966] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: couldn't find matching output script table
[02:07] <iRabbit> yes, the drivers have been removed
[02:07] <Mase_wk> ok
[02:07] <Mase_wk> iRabbit: so which driver do you want to use ?
[02:08] <iRabbit> one that works
[02:08] <iRabbit> :)
[02:08] <iRabbit> I have no preference... one that isn't going to give me any trouble
[02:09] <Mase_wk> i don't have an nvidia card so i am unsure personally
[02:11] <Mase_wk> actually you are probably better off waiting around still someone with an nvidia card is willing to assist
[02:12] <SATANIC> hi
[03:40] <surunveri> hi
[03:40] <surunveri> is there anyway to edit SWF Files on kubuntu?
[03:40] <surunveri> or is there a way to force SWF files to use Low quality setting?
[03:41] <surunveri> i've this crappy computer and some sites with SWF games or other applications are a nuisance when some of them run poorly
[03:50] <Mase_wk> surunveri: you can't edit swf files in kubuntu, at least there is no software i know of to do that.  Regarding forcing log quality settings...you would have to talk to adobe about that. It's non-free software unfrotunately and so there isn't a whole lot we can do to support it.
[03:50] <Mase_wk> you could re-nice the plugin container
[03:51] <Mase_wk> to reduce the priority if it's chewing up your CPU
[03:57] <surunveri> kk
[04:20] <surunveri> could someone perhaps point me to a windows software that runs under wine that allows editing swf files?
[04:21] <surunveri> even if it's not anyhow officially related to kubuntu :D
[04:23] <Mase_wk> as far as i know the only thing that allows it is adobe flash creation suite thing....which doesn't run under wine
[04:39] <surunveri> also java based web applets run very poorly after some update
[04:39] <surunveri> is there any way to fix that?
[04:39] <surunveri> sry that wasnt very clear
[04:39] <surunveri> but in anycase javadoesnt work quite as it should
[04:39] <surunveri> and im not sure why
[04:39] <surunveri> but it wasnt always like this
[04:39] <surunveri> :D
[05:03] <judgen> vitualbox can not install additions due to a crappy crack... any help? i just need it once and the 30day trial of XP will work fine
[05:04] <judgen> usually the incorporate antiwpa. But this one does not.
[05:04] <judgen> a link to real windows trial would also be helpful
[05:05] <judgen> i only need it to install world of warcraft private server... after the patch is applied i will not need windows any more. This does not work in wine,
[05:08] <judgen> any help in this matter would make me very grateful.
[06:34] <sqwertle> I've installed BT4 using the tutorial found at: http://tolearnfree.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-to-install-backtrack4-using-grub-of.html . I seem to be still having a problem with BT4 being read only, I'm not sure what to do about that, and for some reason Ubuntu is giving me an error saying that it can't mount ubuntu, but skipping the mounting process allows it to boot normally as though it's trying to mount some secondary filesystem that
[06:34] <sqwertle> is just a copy.
[06:36] <sqwertle> Sorry guys, wrong channel.
[07:08] <JackStoner> Hello
[07:08] <JackStoner> anyone uses ATI cards in here?? I need some help with something
[08:11] <Daskreech> JackStoner: What's up?
[10:26] <zombiefreak> 0000
[10:34] <Daskreech> 1111
[11:01] <ahox> Hi, does someone know a good paper management software that can also use bibtex to add papers etc?
[11:41] <skamster> hello all.. i've got a problem with my sony-walkman-mp3-player.. yesterday i was able to use it as well, but today it's not able to start nor really detectable as a disk-device.. http://pastebin.com/9GUrr3qV there are some outputs, where i see, that my computer does reconize that it's connect
[11:41] <skamster> but i couldn't use the storage at all
[11:41] <skamster> got someone a idea?
[12:36] <francesco_> hello
[12:39] <francesco_> i have a problem with kwin render
[12:39] <francesco_> i think it is a known bug
[12:56] <skylark> hii attended kde connff in bangalore.. learned a bit about kde and qt... can we do networking stuff with qt..sockets and all..
[13:11] <skylark> hiii attended kde conference in bengaluru..got to know about qt and kde..can we do networking projects using qt and kde???
[13:11] <trico> antoine?
[13:13] <rork> skylark: maybe ask in #kde or #kde-dev (if that exists)
[13:14] <skylark> @ rork.. ok  ...thanks a lot
[14:02] <Guest76389> hi everybody. when I upgrade kde to 4.6.1 I had a problem with an style in some windows (for example in Additional drivers). Style of system is oxygen, but in those windows style is "Microsoft Windows 9x". Please help me,how I fix this
[14:27] <rork> Guest76389: did you restart kubuntu after upgrading? Which apps use the Microsoft Windows 9x style? Could it be GTK apps?
[14:29] <Guest76389> Yes, I restart. In 4.5.1 kde haven't those bugs
[14:33] <Guest76389> Additional Drivers, KPackageKit upgrade , X server settings(unsure) and may be in some apps, I still do not find
[14:34] <james147> Guest76389: what happen if you change you window style? (and back again?)
[14:37] <Guest76389> I try, but problem remains in these windows
[14:45] <james147> Guest76389: see if the problem occues on a new user, if not try renaming ~/.kde/share/config/kwin* (files begining with kwin, i would start with kwinrc)  then restart kwin (or logout and back in)
[14:56] <Guest89388> ~/.kde/share/config/kwin*  full path to this file is....?
[14:57] <james147> ~/ mean your home (bash will expand it) ie /home/USER/   * means and number of of character after, so any file begining with kwin
[14:58] <james147> ^^ i beleave the problem file is kwinrc, so i would start wiht that one, but it could be one of the other files
[15:00] <Guest89388> How restart kwin?)
[15:01] <james147> Guest89388: easiest way is to logout and abck in, or you can try running "kwin --replace"
[15:01] <Guest89388> thx
[15:19] <newbie_> this bug in Kate too
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:55]  * genii-around sips
[16:22]  * Daskreech takes genii-around's mug
[16:23]  * genii-around just uses the coffeepot as a mug instead
[16:25] <Guest73178> I have founded! The problem of style always when I started programms as root. "kdesudo systemsettings"  -- don't help
[16:27] <james147> Guest73178: This its probally a problem with the ropots configs
[16:28] <james147> roots ^^
[16:28] <james147> (roots home is at /root/ )
[16:29] <Guest73178> And what I should doing?))
[17:02] <scimitar> :)
[17:12] <elitrou> hi all. I need some help with my broadband USB modem.
[17:15] <lusmus> where is good place to begin learn linux?
[17:17] <Daskreech> lusmus: here might help. How do you learn?
[17:17] <Daskreech> elitrou: more info would help
[17:17] <Daskreech> scimitar: :-D
[17:18] <elitrou> Daskreech: my modem only works when mapped on ttyusb0
[17:18] <lusmus> i wanna wanna teach me linux from the top to the bottom
[17:18] <Daskreech> lusmus: How many years do you have? :)
[17:18] <elitrou> Daskreech: is there any way to force it to be mapped to that port automatically?
[17:18] <Daskreech> yes check out udev
[17:19] <lusmus> what you mean?
[17:21] <elitrou> Daskreech: can u explain on the newbies level?
[17:22] <lusmus> level 1 i guess, but i can few commands.. nothing to brag about ;)
[17:24] <Daskreech> lusmus: :) ask questions I'll answer as best as I can
[17:24] <Daskreech> elitrou: I'm afraid I can't but that's what you need to look at
[17:24] <james147> lusmus: there is no one good place to learn all of linux :) ... I would start by getting your self fimilar with the interface (the gui, if you are not already) and fimilarising yourself with some of the programs.... if you are intrested in learning the shell (command line/terminal... or what ever you want to call it) then look up a bash tutorial (bash is the shell ubuntu uses)
[17:26] <james147> lusmus: if there is any specific question or part you are stuck with, then you can ask here for further assistance...
[17:27] <Daskreech> !commands
[17:27] <Daskreech> lusmus: ^^^
[17:27] <Daskreech> as I said if there is anything that you would like to know more about ask. If I know I'll try and gloss over how it works
[17:27] <lusmus> ok :)
[17:28] <Daskreech> but honestly you can either know the top of linux or the bottom. It's not humanly possible to know both
[17:28] <Daskreech> I'd argue it's nearly impossible if you are inhuman
[17:28] <Daskreech> but i stopped arguing with my electronics a while back
[17:29] <james147> Daskreech: you can know both ^^ at least to some degree :) though it is impossible to know everything ever about it :D
[17:29] <Daskreech> james147: that's my point you can be aware of one side and know the other but knowing both is pretty much impossible
[17:29] <lusmus> the direcction i wanted to go was to get my own dist :P
[17:30] <lusmus> its my goal
[17:30] <Daskreech> lusmus: ah so like packaging and so on?
[17:30] <Daskreech> what's the purpose of the distro?
[17:30] <Daskreech> Vanity?
[17:30] <james147> lusmus: then a good step would be to learn bash or some other shell ^^
[17:31] <Daskreech> a very very goodstep :)
[17:31] <lusmus> lol i need to try programming to.. was reason i changed OS :p
[17:32]  * james147 finds programming in/for Linux MUCH simpler then in windows...
[17:33] <lusmus> and i  wanted to have my linux so minimal you can get.. + with gui.. ;)
[17:34] <g1bwt_> Hello everyone. I have a problem trying to send an email (using kmail) to a group. Instead of expanding the group name to the email addresses in the group, kmail just sends the email with the group name, which bounces :-( Help!
[17:34] <g1bwt_> KDE version 4.6.1
[17:34] <james147> lusmus: you dont need to build your own distro for that ^^ some distros are designed for such builds (arch linux for example, it lets you build a system the way you want from a minimal set of packages needed by the system)
[17:35] <grawcho> g1bwt: first try thunderbird
[17:35] <james147> lusmus: though kubuntu would be easier to start with, arch requires allot of manual setup :) though it does have good documentation, it can be abit much for a new user
[17:36] <lusmus> what i mean was linux with notthing on that you need to get by you self, so i can get a fresh start :)
[17:36] <james147> lusmus: not sure what you mean by that?
[17:37] <lusmus> linux without any apps.. or something
[17:37] <g1bwt_> grawcho: Not an option, I have many thousands of emails in kmail and don't want to change at this time. Kmail used to work okay with groups, but since the 4 version...
[17:37] <lusmus> minimal you can get
[17:37] <lusmus> cus i have a small computer i dont want it to take such much memory either
[17:38] <BluesKaj> !minimal | lusmus
[17:38] <james147> lusmus: you will need some "apps" ^^ :) but some distros like arch linux give you a minimal install that is needed to boot (and optionally some useful package that your will require later... like text editors)
[17:38] <grawcho> K sec
[17:39] <james147> BluesKaj: thats not what he is talking about, the minimal cd still install a full kubuntu install, just has a minimum set of packages on the cd, fetching the rest from the internet
[17:39] <BluesKaj> lusmus, what are your pc specs
[17:39] <lusmus> hmm how do i do that?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> james147, agreed but without any apps istalled , what is he gonna do with it ?
[17:40] <grawcho> g1bwt_ : try downgrading to previous version.
[17:40] <james147> BluesKaj: the point being you install only what you want/need after the base install is finished, rather then kubuntu approch of installing everything it thinkgs you may need at some point :)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> james147, well isn't that what the minimal install does , why else would be named so ?
[17:41] <james147> lusmus: what specs dose your computer have? linux is allot more effecient then windows and can handle lower speced computers
[17:42] <lusmus> aree they not any command i can use i terminal to get that?
[17:43] <james147> BluesKaj: its a minimal cd (in whats on the disk, smaller size, quicker to download/burn) containing only what is needed to boot and run the installer (and connect to the internet...)  and during the installation, it downloads the packages from the internet and installs them... giving you a full system after
[17:43] <lusmus> i just want the shell not all these
[17:44] <BluesKaj> for memory : free in the terminal , for hdd spac e, df -h , lusmus
[17:44] <james147> lusmus: "sudo lshw" will give you all the info you need about your hardware :) add "-c memory" to filter out the ram or "-c cpu" for cpu (ie "sudo lshw -c cpu")
[17:45] <BluesKaj> james147, yes, it;s a dumb name in that case
[17:45] <james147> ^^ also what BluesKaj said
[17:45] <Daskreech> lusmus: You don't really need a GUI unless you do a lot of photography or video
[17:45] <james147> BluesKaj: its minimal in the sense of the install disk :p
[17:46] <Daskreech> haven't figgured out a good way to do those without a GUI
[17:47] <grawcho> know how to??
[17:47] <BluesKaj> I have to use the alternate install on my 6yr old den pc , due to the HW's age I guess , the lives-cd is a loss , doesn't get any further than the plymouth blinking dots
[17:47] <Daskreech> lusmus: You can apt-get remove xserver-xorg && sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:47] <james147> lusmus: ^^ although that isent adised
[17:48] <james147> advised ^^
[17:48] <Daskreech> lusmus: would be easier to start with the Kubuntu server CD
[17:48] <lusmus> i friend told me that i could get the ubuntu server to get further more minimal :)
[17:48] <g1bwt_> grawcho: Will try and get rid of 4.6.1 - fingers crossed here... Tnx for ur help
[17:48] <james147> lusmus: its more minimal in the sense it dosnt have a gui
[17:49] <james147> lusmus: but it still contains allot of packages that you may or may not need.... (although the gui is what takes up most of the space/resources)... but yes it would give you a more "minimal" install
[17:49] <grawcho> not entirly i hope ... only the latest kmail version
[17:49] <james147> lusmus: what are you planning on doing with the computer?
[17:50] <grawcho> kde 4.6.1 is a bit twichy but its great ... is the problem only due to 4.6.1 upgrade ?
[17:51] <lusmus> start a new life with a new OS :p begin programming, cus i heard that linux support much of that, get a server up.. learn much things about linux i can handle  :D
[17:52] <alket> Hi, How can i change the grey color in air theme ?
[17:54] <lusmus> get used to linux
[17:55] <james147> lusmus: I would advise starting out with a full kubuntu install and see if your computer can handle it (you can down load the live cd to test it first, that will boot form the cd and give you a full desktop enviroment to play with)
[17:58] <lusmus> i already got the ubuntu full¸i fixed KDE to it :p
[17:58] <james147> lusmus: and how is it preforming?
[17:59] <lusmus> good, its just i dont like all the fancy stuff
[17:59] <james147> lusmus: then turn off desktop effects (system settings > desktop effects)
[18:00] <lusmus> is that i dont know where to click.. i get confused where to cklick on these buttons
[18:00] <lusmus> but i learn after little practise
[18:01] <james147> lusmus: open system settings (a program in your menu) then click "desktop effects" then uncheck "enable desktop effects"
[18:02] <lusmus> and its a netbook vers of kubuntu
[18:03] <Daskreech> lusmus: Minimal in terms of RAM or hard drive space?
[18:03] <james147> lusmus: you should be able to switch to the full versio in system settings > workspace (or Workspace behaviour > workspace) depending on your kde version
[18:04] <lusmus> should i paste all?
[18:05] <james147> !pastebin
[18:07] <lusmus> i cant paste in PM?
[18:07] <Daskreech> lusmus: No
[18:07] <lusmus> ok
[18:07] <Daskreech> well I mean technically yes
[18:07] <swair> how to get Qt4.7 on lucid?
[18:07] <Daskreech> but other people are following this
[18:07] <Daskreech> the information being public helps
[18:08] <james147> also pastebin is easier to read
[18:08] <Daskreech> lots of people just sit in here and watch other people's problems to learn more about linux. Having everyone beable to see it gets you more help and other people more information
[18:08] <Daskreech> plus you can bookmark pastebin and come back later
[18:08] <swair> Riddell: there?
[18:09] <lusmus> but i have 1gig ram, 160gb hardrive
[18:09] <james147> lusmus: thats plenty for a full kde install :)
[18:09] <Daskreech> lusmus: Wow crazy specs
[18:10]  * james147 has run a vm of xp on kuubntu with that much ram :D
[18:10] <Daskreech> I had 600 MB for KDE 4.0 and that was horrible compared to KDE 4.4
[18:10] <lusmus> haha, its just i want it clean, minimal and you know :o
[18:10] <john____> There is some problem if you install these desktops,in the same partition, kubuntu,xubuntu,fluxbox,blackbox,ubuntu??
[18:10] <Daskreech> lusmus: You honestly have lots and lots of options. If you don't want a GUI you can do that quite nicely
[18:10] <Daskreech> Both sabdfl and rms do not have GUIs
[18:11] <Daskreech> and they seem to get a lot of work done
[18:11] <Daskreech> but try fluxbox first perhaps?
[18:11] <Daskreech> john____: no
[18:12] <lusmus> but i can show an example how i want it to be
[18:12] <lusmus> with gui
[18:12] <Daskreech> john____: ubuntu is not a desktop
[18:12] <Daskreech> lusmus: ok
[18:13] <john____> ...I had Slackware and I could start session with a lot of entrances...that was nice...if I had a problem with graphic (KDE) I could
[18:13] <john____> start in xfce or others..
[18:14] <Daskreech> john____: Right same linux. Works the same way here
[18:14] <james147> lusmus: there are two ways to get a minimal install... remove packages from a full distro like kubuntu, or build up from a minimal distro like arch... building down is midly simpler, although you can breakthings if you dont know what your removing and often leaves a less "clean" system, but building up is allot more complex as you normally ahve to configure things manually
[18:14] <john____> DO Quassel IRC shows amarok musics??
[18:15] <james147> john____: why would it?
[18:16] <john____> james147...I was thinking...
[18:17] <james147> lusmus: arch linux has an excellent biginners guide (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide) ... if your intrested in building up i sugest reading that... if it sounds too complcated then i sugest you stick with kubuntu for now :)
[18:18] <james147> lusmus: although, you cant really ask questions about it here :)  ^^ and that arch chanel is less... friendly... then here :)
[18:19] <Daskreech> john____: Far as I know it can
[18:20] <Daskreech> if you mean what I think you mean
[18:20] <lusmus> dont mind what his doing on this vid, its just i like his desktop and such :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITWjoWnrhNQ
[18:21] <lusmus> i see he using gentoo but whatev :)
[18:21] <john____> Daskreech I'm trying some programs here...sorry by asking so much..
[18:21] <Daskreech> john____: that's what here is for please ask if you need answers
[18:22] <james147> lusmus: gentoo is another minimal distro... though I would only advise it if you have about a week free to install and compile everything you need :)
[18:23] <john____> james147 have you already try fedora??
[18:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, gentoo is lotta work for what you get
[18:24]  * james147 cant remember... but if he did it wasnt for long
[18:24] <Daskreech> lusmus: that's flux
[18:27] <Daskreech> with fake transparency
[18:31] <webereinc> I have kubuntu 9.10 with PHP 5.2.10 and need to upgrade to PHP 5.3... any suggestions where to begin?
[18:32] <james147> webereinc: upgrading from 9.10 would be a good start
[18:33] <Daskreech> ++
[18:33] <cosmic303> hiya all...i just bought a canon lide 110 and cant get it to work. i already followed several manuals and installed the latest version of sane. sane-fine-scanner tells me it found a usb scanner, but scanimage -L says theres none. any ideas?
[18:34] <webereinc> james147: I agree - however when I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 on an older machine... the newer version failed to recognize the video card and I lost access to the machine
[18:34] <Daskreech> webereinc: not a problem with ssh :)
[18:36] <webereinc> Daskreech: Sorry for the newb question (and the missing of the joke) but what would this really mean as a solution?  Are you suggesting it can all be done via a series of command line instructions?
[18:36] <Daskreech> yes
[18:36] <james147> webereinc: then try a live cd first
[18:36] <Daskreech> one of the first things i do when i get a machine is ensure that ssh is running on it
[18:37] <Daskreech> unless it's a network shutdown you can pretty much fix any problem with ssh running
[18:37] <webereinc> Daskreech: OK - can you point me at the 'howto'?  PHP says they don't compile binaries for ubuntu anymore ... yet I didn't find PHP 5.3.x on any site... (compiled that is)
[18:37] <james147> Daskreech: ^^ ot at least access to recovery mode
[18:37] <james147> or *
[18:38] <webereinc> james147:  Good idea... but will a live CD verify that it can see my existing RAID array?
[18:38] <Daskreech> It can
[18:38] <Daskreech> takes more work but yeah it can do it
[18:39] <smokylover> anyone can help me to define a udev rule to force mapping a device to ttyusb0?
[18:39] <james147> and ALWAYS take backups before messing with your system :)
[18:39] <Daskreech> that and LVM is one of the reasons I kinda like ssh long as you can login it you are ready to start
[18:39] <cosmic303> Daskreech: u dont happen to know how i can get my canon lide 110 scanner to work with 10.04 when ur done helping the other guys? :)
[18:39] <BluesKaj> webereinc, you may want to consider the Altrnate Install cd
[18:39] <BluesKaj> !alternate | webereinc
[18:40] <james147> BluesKaj: not for testing to see if 10.04 will work or not :) need a live cd for that
[18:40] <webereinc> OK - so if I were to upgrade Kubuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 then 10.10, what about PHP 5.3.x - as I mentioned, it doesn't seem to be available as an installable package much less as an upgrade for my existing PHP 5.2.10
[18:40] <Daskreech> !printer | cosmic303 That might be a good start
[18:41] <Daskreech> james147 or BluesKaj: know anything about udev?
[18:41] <cosmic303> ehm..its a scanner, not a printer? cups works for scanners now as well?
[18:41] <james147> webereinc: maverick (10.10) has 5.3.3 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/php5)
[18:42] <genii-around> webereinc: The php version in Lucid is 5.3.5
[18:42] <james147> webereinc: so upgrading will upgrade you to that version
[18:42] <webereinc> james147: OK - then I have been reading some inconsistent material that said that ubuntu would no longer have PHP 5.3 in it
[18:42] <Daskreech> cosmic303: Bleah :) sorry
[18:42] <james147> genii-around: :p then why is maverick lower?
[18:42] <genii-around> Sorry 5.3.2 in Lucid
[18:42] <james147> :)
[18:43] <lusmus> Hello again
[18:43] <genii-around> james147: Because I did an apt-get source on my Natty box and it got 5.3.5 but i forgot I wasn't on my Lucid box :)
[18:43] <james147> webereinc: possibally that the php guys arnt building for ubuntu... but form what I know ubuntu builds all its own packages anyway
[18:43] <james147> genii-around: :D
[18:43] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, no , but maybe I should :)
[18:44] <Daskreech> hi lusmus
[18:44] <james147> Daskreech: not enough :)
[18:44] <lusmus> is LFS the best way to get what i want :)
[18:44] <Daskreech> james147: or you know ... debian does
[18:44] <webereinc> james147: Thank you very much!  I believe I just need to make my backups, verify my upgrade plans, and then upgrade the server OS and see what comes along for the ride...
[18:44] <james147> lusmus: no
[18:44] <Daskreech> lusmus: There is no "best way" there is way that you like
[18:45] <lusmus> hehe, yea i want to make me a my own dist
[18:45] <james147> lusmus: linux form stracth is a very complicated and long process deisgned for building linux for spical enviroments... you can do it but it will be allot more effort then its worth... i suggest you start with somethibng like arch... i think its exactly what ou are looking for
[18:45] <Daskreech> lusmus: But would be a good experiment. It's a deep end of the pool way to learn more about Linux
[18:45] <Daskreech> lusmus: By the time you get anything working you'd be a lot smarter and older
[18:46] <grawcho> hey guys ... natty and backporst work on maverick you only have to replace the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.* to contain lucid sources
[18:46] <BluesKaj> webereinc, i guess you talking about a net upgrade , sorry for the wrong interpratation
[18:46] <grawcho> it works fine 4 me
[18:46] <lusmus> haha
[18:46] <Daskreech> cosmic303: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1595801
[18:46] <james147> lusmus: one of the major problems with linux from scratch and building your own distro completely from scratch, it that it is ALLOT of maintance after you ahve build it
[18:47] <Daskreech> james147: he won't stick to it but he would know a lot more
[18:47] <Daskreech> assuming that lusmus is a he
[18:47] <james147> lusmus: it would be easier to start with an existing distro and changing it to your needs...  but yes, it is a good way to learn linux :)
[18:47] <webereinc> BluesKaj: Not sure what you mean by a net upgrade... I need to get an existing server from PHP 5.2.10 to 5.3... don't really care how I do it as long as I don't necessarily have to rebuild/restore the entire server from scratch....
[18:48] <james147> Daskreech: I am just saying why it wouldnt be a good idea to stick with it :)
[18:48] <james147> (which i think he wants to do)
[18:48] <Daskreech> webereinc: he means doing it from the internet rather than a CD
[18:48] <cosmic303> Daskreech: yeah i tried that before, but still xsane cant find any scan devices, neither does scanimage -L
[18:49] <webereinc> Daskreech: Would that be considered a more risky upgrade path... doing it from the Net?
[18:49] <Daskreech> lusmus: in any case both james147 and I agree it's a bad functional idea. you'll get frustrated long before you get anything reasonable working
[18:49] <lusmus> the main is is that i want to work with a distro, and can programming my own stuff on the distro, and those who like to can help and  etc
[18:49] <james147> webereinc: What i would suggest is trying a livecd, see if your system works with that version, and if it dose then BACKUP and upgrade your current system
[18:49] <Daskreech> lusmus: You can do that with any distro
[18:50] <webereinc> james147: Since I have added a lot of stuff that wasn't on an original LiveCD, won't I *need* to upgrade via the net?
[18:50] <james147> lusmus: i sugest staring from something that someone has already done... both arch linux and gentoo are designed to do what you want... build up a system from scratch (or near enough) and be easier to maintain
[18:50] <lusmus> im just wanna learn about linux isnt it the thing to get LFS
[18:51] <Daskreech> webereinc: No Debian is really good about upgrades
[18:51] <james147> webereinc: anything installed via apt-get (or other package manager) will be upgraded with the system
[18:51] <Daskreech> it can upgrade core things then on the next normal update will pull everything else up
[18:51] <Daskreech> assumung they are managed byt hte package manager
[18:51] <Daskreech> lusmus: yes
[18:51] <Daskreech> lusmus: if you want to actually do anything?
[18:52] <Daskreech> no
[18:52] <lusmus> yea
[18:52] <webereinc> Daskreech: & James147: since I'm at Kubuntu 9.10, do you know if I can upgrade all the way to 10.10 or do I have to go through intermediary upgrades?
[18:52] <james147> lusmus: its a good way to learn... but will be VERY fustrating, espically if you dont know what you are doing, if you try either gentoo or arch you will also learn ALLOT about linux (they are both very transparent with good documentation) and will prvide a more usable system after
[18:52] <james147> webereinc: i think you need to do intermediate upgrades
[18:52] <Daskreech> webereinc: probably intermediary
[18:53] <webereinc> Daskreech: & James147: Thank you both very much for your insights and assistance... I believe I know have a plan.
[18:53] <Daskreech> there are scripts in between dist-upgrades that ease the change of renaming config files etc
[18:53] <Daskreech> they don't work forever though just between certain version
[18:53] <Daskreech> s
[18:53] <james147> lusmus: I would highly recomend tring to install either gentoo or arch before trying linux from scratch...
[18:54] <james147> webereinc: and remember... BACKUPS :D
[18:54] <webereinc> James147: ABSOLUTELY=-O
[18:54] <Daskreech> lusmus: LFS is built assuming certain knowledge and goals you have neither so a LOT of things will break
[18:55] <Daskreech> I'll probably go on record saying everything you can break will break
[18:55] <webereinc> Daskreech: & James147: Thanks again to you both!  Have a great rest of the week!
[18:55] <Daskreech> If you don't have some amount of CS training you will know FAR more about the computer than anyone reasonably should know who doesn't want to build low level systems
[18:55] <Daskreech> webereinc: Enjoy!
[18:56] <Daskreech> but you will know.
[18:56] <james147> lusmus: yup... it will be a very very fustrating experience if you dont have a fairly detailed knowledge of how linux already works :)
[18:56] <lusmus> i want  very light system not any much memory usage
[18:57] <james147> lusmus: linux from scratch isnt the best way to get that... arch or gentoo is (I advise arch as you dont need to waste time compiling everything)
[18:58] <james147> lusmus: but even then, its more of a choise of desktop enviroment then anything else... arch with kde will use about the same amount of memory as kubuntu does (probally slightly less)
[18:59] <Daskreech> lusmus: join #fluxbuntu
[18:59] <james147> lusmus: fast and light weight != you having to build everything your self, its about what programs you use...
[19:00] <Daskreech> cosmic303: You tried that repo?
[19:00] <cosmic303> Daskreech: i get an error message when i try to update my sources..saying ttp://ppa.launchpad.net/plaxx/random-fixes/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[19:00] <lusmus> what you meant with build everyhing? with arch?
[19:00] <cosmic303> maybe the repo has changed?
[19:02] <Daskreech> cosmic303: I guess your h missing is a bad copy/paste and not the real error message?
[19:02] <cosmic303> i missed the h when i c&p ...lol
[19:03] <james147> lusmus: with linux from scratch and gentoo you will need to compile just about everything you want to use... its a very long and boring process (and will be very fustrating with lfs as you have to deal with dependencies yourself), where as arch has a reposity of precompiled binaries (like ubuntu does), which you can down load and install easaly... although unlike ubuntu you have to install what you want, and configure it the way you want
[19:03] <cosmic303> i found this ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1682901 ...but im not sure where to enter that other url?
[19:04] <Daskreech> cosmic303: nope it doesn't have lucid
[19:04]  * james147 notes that compiling stuff is a good experence you can do on any distro... but having to compile everything is very tedious
[19:04] <cosmic303> that means i have to update to 10.10?
[19:05] <cosmic303> to get the scanner working?
[19:07] <Daskreech> cosmic303: You might be able to cheat :)
[19:08] <cosmic303> sounds awesome, tell me more :)
[19:10] <lusmus_> hello :)
[19:11] <Daskreech> cosmic303: do you know what package you need?
[19:11] <Daskreech> lusmus_: Hello
[19:11] <cosmic303> well i know i need the latest sane..but since the repo doesnt work i have no idea where and how to get it
[19:13] <Daskreech> http://ppa.launchpad.net/plaxx/random-fixes/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sane-backends/
[19:13] <Daskreech> Like those?
[19:14] <cosmic303> i just copy that in my sources.list and do apt-get update?
[19:15] <Daskreech> err
[19:15] <Daskreech> not really :0
[19:16] <Daskreech> :)
[19:16] <cosmic303> eh...nevermind..lol...ill download the .deb from that site :D
[19:16] <lusmus_> is ubuntu server a good choice?+
[19:16] <Daskreech> cosmic303: Right :)
[19:17] <Daskreech> lusmus_: yes
[19:18] <lusmus_> its funny that i can use internet in terminal in w3m :)
[19:23] <BluesKaj> w3m is still browser so it needs the 'net
[19:23] <Daskreech> lusmus_: if by funny you mean awesome :)
[19:25] <cosmic303> Daskreech: same result... sane-find-scanner detects an usb scanner, but scanimage -L wont find anything
[19:26] <cosmic303> this is what sane-find-scanner says found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9, product=0x1909, chip=GL124?) at libusb:001:005
[19:30] <Daskreech> does it get a dev entry?
[19:31] <cosmic303> where would i check that?
[19:32] <agnese> italia ubuntu chat?
[19:32] <agnese> channel*
[19:32] <lusmus_> its awsome if you just have ubuntu server and wanna surf the net :)
[19:33] <agnese> isn't the bot answer me? XD anybody know the channel for the italian ubuntu?
[19:34] <Daskreech> !it | agnese
[19:34] <agnese> super thanku Daskreech ;)
[19:35] <Daskreech> jono: thanks for your ring in on the GNOME collaboration debate
[19:35] <Daskreech> jono: Will there be anyone from Canonical at UDS?
[19:35] <jono> thanks Daskreech
[19:35] <jono> Daskreech, oh yeah, a huge Canonical contingent go to UDS
[19:35] <cosmic303> ok...im recompiling sane-backends now..lets see if it works
[19:36] <Daskreech> jono: ok could there be some PRE convention work at setting some non invite meeting to discuss this
[19:36] <Daskreech> cosmic303: not trying a reboot of sane first?
[19:37] <cosmic303> too late.
[19:37] <cosmic303> lol
[19:38] <Daskreech> :)
[19:39] <cosmic303> if it doesnt work this time, ill give up for today and just plug it into the windows laptop...lol
[19:39] <Daskreech> ha ha :) ok
[19:40] <Daskreech> I'm sure it's somethign like it's not getting a dev entry
[19:40] <Daskreech> the kernel knows it is there but the userland doesn't
[19:40] <cosmic303> i found a tutorial for the lide 100 now..hopefully works for the 110 as well
[19:40] <Daskreech> might
[19:43] <cosmic303> ok rebooting now..as tutorial says...i might brb
[19:43] <BluesKaj> what about xsane ?
[19:49] <cosmi303> well yay me!
[19:49] <cosmi303> and ty Daskreech :)
[19:50] <lusmus_> what is the diffrent from desktop and server?
[19:50] <Daskreech> yay!
[19:50] <Daskreech> lusmus_: one has a desktop
[19:50] <cosmi303> i have no idea what was different this time..but who cares..lol
[19:50] <lusmus_> haha
[19:50] <Daskreech> I'll leave it to the detectives to find out which one
[19:50] <james147> lusmus_: the desktop has a slightly different kernel and has a gui :)
[19:51] <lusmus_> i meant the big diffrents
[19:51] <genii-around> lusmus_: The server install has no graphic interface, all is done by typing in at console. Also some server things like webserver and database server get put on by default
[19:51] <james147> genii-around: is the web server installed by default? i thought it could be selected to be install, but wasent
[19:52] <cosmi303> well ty again Daskreech ...always a great idea to come here and ask u guys
[19:52] <elitrou> hi guys. i need some help in defining udev rule for my broadband mobile modem. anyone?
[19:52] <Daskreech> james147: It is but it's turned off
[19:52] <genii-around> james147: In LAMP which is I think the default, you get the Apache MySQL and PHP
[19:52] <Daskreech> once you take X off a CD you getloooads of space
[19:53] <Daskreech> elitrou: did you try asking in #udev ?
[19:53] <genii-around> I usually do a minimal then go with tasksel lamp
[19:53] <Daskreech> unless genii-around happens to know udev-foo :)
[19:53] <elitrou> Daskreech: not yet
[19:54] <lusmus_> the thing was i wanted to begin with programming same time have server.. and it might is a good idea to get ubuntu server?
[19:54] <genii-around> Daskreech: Not today
[19:54] <Daskreech> lusmus_: sure that would work
[19:54] <james147> lusmus_: the desktop can do everything the server can and the server everything the fdesktop can
[19:55] <james147> lusmus_: having a dedicated server is useful... if you have a spare computer... but there is little point in installing the server and desktop on the same computer :)
[19:56] <lusmus_> yea, the thing is the same time i learning linux in bash and stuff i can have a server to play with :)
[19:57] <Daskreech> james147: Disagree about the server doing all the desktop can do :)
[19:57] <james147> Daskreech: why?
[19:58] <genii-around> Sometimes too you can only get proprietary drivers for stock kernel and not server kernel, which sucks
[19:58] <Daskreech> cause I can think of a few things that I can do pretty trivially in the desktop that I can't think of a good equivalent for in the server
[19:58] <Daskreech> genii-around: why would you need those for a server kernel?
[19:58]  * BluesKaj has a so called server for media stuff , but no webhosting or apache , so I'll probly corrected for calling it a server :)
[19:59] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Does it serve another device?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> yup, my tv and HT setup
[20:00] <BluesKaj> and the other pcs on the network , of course
[20:01] <Daskreech> it's a server
[20:01] <BluesKaj> was thinking of installing mythtv , but it's abit over the top for what I do
[20:03] <lusmus> how do i clean a full ubuntu?
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, well the ppl at #ubuntu don't think so cuz it doesn't host on the web , that was their definintion and I was soundly criticized for calling my media pc a server :)
[20:03] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: There is a reason I don't hang out in #ubuntu
[20:03] <BluesKaj> anyway we're getting OT
[20:05] <v3ctor> a server is a process that offers a service. said process can run on any version of *ubuntu
[20:05] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, they have some what I call correction cops/members who troll the text looking for insignificant mistakes in definitions/nomenclature etc , but never appear to help anyone
[20:05] <v3ctor> if your media pc is offering some sort of a service, it is a server
[20:06] <lusmus> i was thinking about getting a server, but still use it almost like a desktop?
[20:07] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: It's gotten _a lot_ quieter but lots of people started using kubuntu because we are much more reasonable in #kubuntu than #ubuntu
[20:07] <Daskreech> lusmus: You can do that
[20:08] <lusmus> hmm how do i remove all completely from a app or something
[20:11] <Daskreech> lusmus: huh?
[20:13] <lusmus> hmm.. if i delete pidgin for example.. how do i remove all stuff connected to it?
[20:16] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get remove pidgin --purge
[20:17] <lusmus> ok thx
[20:17] <lusmus> i dont think to reinstall ubuntu just cus i going to desktop/server comp?
[20:19] <Daskreech> no you can almost apt-get remove xserver-xorg && sudo apt-get autoremove and it should dump all gui stuff
[20:19] <lusmus> so if just want to get rid of all i just do that?
[20:20] <lusmus> but i can just remove the unwanted stuff i dont want? :p
[20:21] <Daskreech> lusmus: yes
[20:22] <lusmus> how do i remove all that comes with the desktop?
[20:25] <Daskreech> I just told you
[20:25] <Daskreech> then you can apt-get install ubuntu-server
[20:25] <lusmus> oki doki :)
[21:22] <ctoon> is there a possibility to make write protect some selective o office spread sheet colums in a sheet ? and secondly if a cell (which is not write protected) is edited. it turns its color. ?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> ctoon, ask in #openoffice
[21:25] <ctoon> thx
[21:26] <BluesKaj> ctoon, no one there :(
[21:27] <BluesKaj> try #libreoffice
[21:27] <BluesKaj> ctoon, ^
[21:28] <ctoon> k
[21:34] <castellino> hi
[21:34] <castellino> if i make a flash be bootable using kubuntu, can it be used with windows xp?
[21:40] <elitrou> hi, i need some help with understanding udev rules. anyone?
[21:43] <lusmus> is it possible to get ubuntu server to wubi?
[21:44] <harmandeep> guys, is there any boot time parameter that can set Clock Frequency to 1000Hz on Ubuntu lucid x64 10.04.1
[21:44] <BluesKaj> elitrou, maybe this can help http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/udev8.html
[21:45] <harmandeep> nopes
[21:46] <lusmus> harmandeep did answer to me?
[21:46] <harmandeep> nopes
[21:47] <BluesKaj> harmandeep, install cpufrequtils
[21:47] <james147> lusmus: there any reason you need a wubi install?
[21:47] <harmandeep> i meant "System clock of the kernel"
[21:48] <lusmus> hehe maybe if you need to use both OS :P
[21:48] <elitrou> BluesKaj: i'm trying to understand a way to map my broadband mobile modem permanently to ttyUSB0
[21:48] <BluesKaj> harmandeep, cpufrequtils will set Clock Frequency to 1000Hz on Ubuntu lucid x64 10.04.1
[21:49] <harmandeep> but i am not talking about CPU Clock
[21:49] <harmandeep> i am talking about System Clock which is managed by Kernel
[21:50] <elitrou> BluesKaj: currently I only found the following entry in existing rules : "# BandLuxe_3.5G_HSPA_Adapter (pci-0000:00:1d.7-usb-0:3.1:1.0)
[21:50] <elitrou> SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="BandRich__Inc._BandLuxe_3.5G_HSPA_Adapter_358094022164538", SYMLINK+="cdrom4", ENV{GENERATED}="1"
[21:50] <elitrou> "
[21:50] <james147> harmandeep: what do you mean by the system clock?
[21:50] <BluesKaj> sorry harmandeep , dunno what you mean then
[21:50] <harmandeep> Computer timer hardware
[21:50] <harmandeep> Every operating system has its own method to handle timekeeping issues. There are various kinds of timer mechanisms that are used to keep time on a computer. T
[21:51] <BluesKaj> elitrou, mobile modem ? do you mean a wifi USB adapter ?
[21:52] <elitrou> BluesKaj: it's not a wifi, but rather cellular modem
[21:52] <elitrou> BluesKaj: and it indeed uses USB port
[21:53] <lusmus> james how do you answer like that? :)
[21:53] <BluesKaj> sorry elitrou , that's beyond my scope .I'm used ordinary routers with wifi and ethernet
[21:54] <elitrou> i'm not sure it's about modem at all, just strange to me that it's mapped as cdrom
[21:54] <james147> lusmus: you can install two system side by side without wubi... its called dual booting.... (and can be done with 3 or 4 or as many oses as you need)
[21:54] <elitrou> it does works, but only when mapped on ttyUSB0 port
[21:55] <elitrou> looking for a way to force udev to map it on that port permanently
[21:55] <james147> lusmus: wubi wont let you run both oses at once, its just a convient way to "install" [k]ubuntu 'inside' windows but works in a simlar way to dual booting (you need to restart to switch operating system)
[21:56] <james147> lusmus: and answer like what?
[21:56] <lusmus> like that.. it lightups on my screen then you answer :P
[21:57] <james147> lusmus: thats your irc client highlighting your username, although i am useing tab completation to complete your name :)
[21:58] <lusmus> hehe, but im not so pro on parition its why i use wubi :(
[21:59] <james147> lusmus: partitoning is too hard, although it is a little dangrous (its easy to delete the wrong partition and lose data that is)...
[22:00] <james147> lusmus: most installer will help make it easier, just make sure you dont select the option to overwrite the whole disk :)
[22:00] <james147> (thus, its a good idea to make backups)
[22:00] <lusmus> hehe, but would it not easier to just use wubi and install ubuntu and install server and remove these stuff
[22:01] <james147> remove what stuff?
[22:03] <lusmus> all desktop
[22:05] <james147> lusmus: i would say there is little point in removing the desktop stuff.....
[22:06] <james147> lusmus: you can always disable g/kdm so that the gui dosnt start... then you can always start it should you want to use it
[22:07] <lusmus> ok, hehe
[22:08] <BluesKaj> tvtime..later all
[22:09]  * james147 notes that diskspace is cheap... and if your are worrying about that then you should buy a larger hdd
[22:25] <scottamunga> hey, has anybody had problems connecting to wireless with KNetworkManager?
[22:28] <grawcho> define problem
[22:30] <scottamunga> grawcho: where it won't connect at all
[22:30] <scottamunga> I'm trying to set up either gnome's networkmanager or wicd to replace it, but I haven't been able to get either to work?
[22:54] <shady__> my boot splash turned blue, can any1 help?
[22:55] <shady__> i also dl a new boot splash screen but don't know how to install it
[23:13] <ders08> hi
[23:21] <shady__> is there a way to reset my kubuntu to all it's default settings like fresh install?
[23:23] <james147> shady__: you can reset your profile to the default settings by deleting (or rather.. moving) the config files in your home directory (ones begining with . )
[23:24] <james147> shady__: ^^ and copying the contents of /etc/skel to your home ^^ (or just not rename/delete the files in there)
[23:24] <james147> shady__: ^^ you can reset just the kde settings by renaming
[23:24] <james147>   ~/.kde  ^^
[23:24] <shady__> ok
[23:24] <shady__> but i have an issue
[23:25] <shady__> i downloaded my video driver
[23:25] <shady__> but i don't wanna do that again
[23:25] <shady__> it's huge
[23:25] <shady__> any idea where to find it?
[23:25]  * james147 notes that you shouldnt move or rename .bashrc  .profile or .bash_profile if they exist... all other should be safe... though he suggests renaming them so you can move them back
[23:26] <james147> shady__: video driver is installed to the system and wont be reset by moving config files in your home dir
[23:27] <shady__> ty
[23:27] <shady__> 1 more quiz
[23:27] <shady__> my boot screen dosen't appear anymore
[23:28] <shady__> instead of it blue1 appear like the konsole
[23:28] <james147> !plymouth
[23:28] <shady__> will the reset fix?
[23:29] <shady__> ohh.. nice bot:)
[23:36] <shady__> brother it says nothing to configure
[23:37] <shady__> is the file deleted?
[23:40] <james147> shady__: make sure you have a plymouth theme installed (search your packagemanager for plymouth... i cent remember what they are called