[00:09] http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/beust/OtakuXml/~3/B9y2BsuzWWU/ [01:03] which couchdb is natty going to ship with? [01:45] !info couchdb [01:45] couchdb (source: couchdb): RESTful document oriented database, system DB. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-0ubuntu12 (natty), package size 6 kB, installed size 84 kB [01:45] We're past feature freeze. It's highly likely that it's shipping 1.0.x [02:23] How do I synchronize my time with ntp? [02:23] 1) sudo apt-get install ntp, 2) have internet access [02:24] and if the clock's very, very off, ntpdate may be useful. otherwise, ntp will slowly bend time until the computer's clock is right (which is a better way of doing things) [02:28] Bend time? Make seconds shorter? [02:28] * rww nods [02:28] or longer, depending on which way the computer's clock is off [03:08] im running natty on a macbook (4,1), and just recently (maybe the past few days) it seems that wifi doesn't want to connect properly unless I have the power adapter plugged in [03:08] its a broadcom BCM4321 [03:09] has anyone else heard of a similar issue, or possibly know what I could look into? Dmesg doesnt really show me anything that seems to be useful between being on battery and plugging in === fisted_ is now known as fisted === MTecknology is now known as MTeck-InPain [05:27] oooh... natty got some new icons :) [05:34] best part of an alpha release, every update brings new goodies (and hopefully less crashes :D) [05:57] has anyone been able to boot the 2.6.38-6 update? [05:57] kernel update [05:58] micahg: the latest update... sure [05:58] I get Ignoring Xen kernel on non-Xen host: vmlinuz-2.6.38-6-generic [05:59] nlsthzn: do you have grub 1 installed? [05:59] default, should be grub 2 (I think)... [06:00] k, I still have the original grub, I think that may be part of the issue, was wondering if anyone else ran into it === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:13] of anyone runs into a similar issue, it's bug 692691 [06:13] Launchpad bug 692691 in grub (Ubuntu Natty) "update-grub thinks my kernel is a xen one" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692691 === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre === MTeck-InPain is now known as MTecknology [06:43] Howdy. I am looking for the term to describe the taskbar or whatever it is called at the top of the screen in Unity. For the second time today, it went away and so I can't get to the menu of any application. The icons on the left went away, too. I don't have any crashes that popped up. I don't want someone here to diagnose it. I just want to search bugs and report one, if I don't find something appropriate. [07:14] Hi - when trying to install 11.04 on a box with 11.10 on it already - pretty much at the start 11.04 says that the partman hast crashed with fault number 141 and trying again produces only the same result - ignoring the fault did not help... [07:15] the system just hung with an "active-" cursor... [07:16] frybye, How is the future, and what brings you back to our time? [07:17] what brings me back to reality is the fact that +1 versions of ubuntu are never that kind to use semi-newbies.. but there you are... [07:17] to "us" semi-..... [07:18] I don't know that it is ever a good idea to install an older version of Ubuntu over a newer one. [07:18] oh kool - just got the ff4 rc ... whoosh... [07:19] you missunderstand.. I have 10.10 now and wanted to add a dual boot with 11.04 not 10.04 eh...? [07:19] Ah, you said you had 11.10 now. No misunderstanding needed. [07:19] eh and we are in #ubuntu+1 which is all about 11.04 or..? [07:20] oh sorry.. a typo... [07:20] I have tried to install the alternate installer of Alpha 3 of Natty several times. There is a reported bug which causes the installer to crash about where you say. [07:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/729556 [07:21] ok - I was using the desktop version but probably the same... [07:21] Ubuntu bug 729556 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[Natty] Ubiquity takes forever to load partitioner (if exotic file systems are present?)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:23] hmm.. 10.10 is not all that exhotic.. on the other hand there was at some stage a win7 on this box that may have not been completly wiped.. hmmm... [07:24] perhaps related but in my case it was not just that it took a long time to load - i crashed immed. with a fault 141 [07:25] I was using the daily build from 9-3 which is probably not soooo different to the apha-3 from 3-3 in this respect.. [07:26] I don't know what filesystems are affected by this bug. But, it seems like it could be your problem. You'll have to decide for yourself. Good luck. [07:27] no prob - is not so important - just curios to give 11.04 a try.. could have a go at the live variant from the cd i guess... not that one can do much with them... [07:59] good morning [07:59] firefow 4 is nt suposed to use the globalmenu ? [08:00] * nlsthzn thinks all things will change in time... global menu and all :) [10:23] a major issue with ubuntu 10.10 was using samba to fileshare with windows VISTA/7 will that be fixed in 11.04? [10:24] the issue was around logging into windows shares from ubuntu [11:44] hi all [11:44] how could I set up my ssh server to accept the password from the local accounts ? [11:44] I mean it doesn't accept my local passwd [12:05] are you using openssh? [12:09] try looking in... /etc/ssh/sshd_config [12:10] PermitEmptyPasswords no [12:10] PasswordAuthentication yes [12:39] ciao dudes === newbie is now known as Guest55048 === Guest55048 is now known as eBittin [13:14] auch... during do-release-upgrade I've answered "Yes" to replace the sudoers file... will I be able to make sudo now? [13:14] vak, did you edit that file in the past? [13:14] If you didn't, then it's alright [13:14] If you did, unless it was something you needed for your system to work, then it's very likely alright too [13:15] Daekdroom: I didn't edit anything manually [13:15] Well, I was prompted for the same file replacement. [13:15] and everything is alright ;) [13:16] Daekdroom: thanks man! :) [13:16] * vak reboots the box [13:23] oh, #$%&! my Ubuntu doesn't boot in X/unity [13:23] manual startx failed as well [13:26] unity is installed but doesn't run for some reason === repete_ is now known as repete [13:31] that sucks [13:31] if X/unity doesn't start, then perhaps runlevel is wrong? [13:34] anyone can advise? [13:37] Look at Xorg.0.log [13:37] If possible, pastebin it [13:38] Daekdroom: ok! [13:42] Daekdroom: hm creen not found / device not found [13:42] driver seems to get lost somehow... [14:16] hell, anybody here affected by Atheros ath5k (shows up as AR5001 in lspci, 1468:0428) breaking during the transfer and not coming back until reboot with occasional LED blinking and causing the whole system to slow down during the blinking? [14:54] hey is there a plan to include debdelta updates in natty ??? [14:59] pidgin ppa is falling behind too [15:43] Ubuntu ONE is telling that "Connection to server was lost" and after ten seconds it says "Conntection to server was restored." This happens every ten seconds. [15:43] Has anyone else experienced this? [15:46] Mkaysi, yes just now but its much less frequent [15:46] I am. [15:47] Well, now it's having pause but almost so often. [15:47] Is that bug reported? [15:49] Anybody lost Unity since the latest updates? I keep getting the classic desktop now, even though the Unity plugin is enabledd in CCSM. I'm on virtualbox. [15:49] Howdy [16:03] jarlath: nope... so far my unity still fine... but mine is a full install [16:03] nlsthzn, thanks. Maybe I should check the vbox settings incase something changed since the install. [16:06] anything is possible (my natty install is so stable it is scary the whole day) [16:08] using unity 2d now for two days loving it everything just works [16:08] Wow, that's interesting nlsthzn. Must be my setup. robin0800 , good idea! I should enable 2D acceleration and at least have unity 2D. I'll do a quick reboot. [16:10] jarlath, its even got notifications in the top panel [16:12] very nice. [16:12] is the disappearing until you hover over it menu thing intended? [16:12] It'll make it easier that everyone has a similar desktop regardless of hardware. [16:12] Like when I'm in an application, especially just Nautilus, the menu isn't visible until I hover over it [16:13] The sysinfo package installs without complaint, but has probs. I think is not installing dependencies like mono and others. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/sysinfo shows for some reason the only dependency is nvidia-settings. But compare for instance to the dependency list for maverick: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/sysinfo [16:14] jarlath, yes think so but things with menus that go there do that as well nice INMHO [16:28] For those of you with a healthy Natty/Unity setup - what kernel are you using? (uname -a). I'm on 2.6.38-6 [16:30] 2.6.38-5, but I didn't update today yet, so -6 sounds right [16:34] yofel, I'll be curious to see if you still have a working Unity 3D after the update :) [16:35] I don't use unity so I can't answer that, but I'll see if opengl works in general [16:35] Ah, okay. [16:39] If I'm not directly affiliated with my LoCo, is there a place I can announce a Natty Release Party besides http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/744/detail/ ? [16:42] genii-around: Ubuntu Weekly News? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue219#Additional%20Ubuntu%20News [16:43] charlie-tca: Interesting, thanks! [16:44] jarlath, same here, generic in my case 2.6.38-6-generic [16:44] genii-around: there will be other places too, but they haven't announced the release party places yet [16:45] but I'm a kde user , wm files are crashing amarok .... that's why i use vlc [16:46] jarlath: works fine with KDE+nvidia [16:46] BluesKaj, yofel - thanks! [16:47] yofel, what about you , do you have any windows media music files , if so how are they working ? [16:47] BluesKaj: errr, very few, would have to find some first.. [16:48] I transferred some from wife's pc , maybe I should just convert them [16:48] tried a different backend? [16:49] they work on vlc , crash amarok [16:49] no, phonon backend, old one was xine, natty uses gstreamer and there's a vlc one too [16:50] phonon uses xine from my understanding , just slightly different [16:50] BluesKaj: check your phonon settings for what it's using [16:51] charlie-tca: The last one I had was for Lucid, there was a listing of parties I think on the wiki [16:51] BluesKaj: if you have kubuntu-desktop installed in natty then you will have at least the gstreamer backend installed [16:52] genii-around: they will announce it later in the cycle [16:52] it's using xine yofel , but gstreamer is available [16:53] try gst, might help if it's not an amarok issue [16:53] yofel, yup, doing it now [16:55] yofel, ok , gst works [16:56] : [16:56] :) [16:56] is phonon suppodes to use gst by default or ...? [16:56] supposed [16:57] the new default is gstreamer, but xine will stay enabled on upgrades IIRC [17:04] yofel, dunno muxh about gstreamer but IIRC, wasn't it the default backend for the xmms players and most others a few yrs back....seems like a regression in a way but if it works well then I'm happy :) [17:25] hi. does anyone know how to reconfigure keyboard on a server basic install? [17:26] localepurge is not available anymore (with default repos) [17:29] lcb: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or keyboard-configuration I think, not sure which one [17:30] yofel, i just noticed i'm missing repos on the source.list. i'm manually adding it [17:31] ...after a clean install, on this particular machine, btw [17:32] if i didn't do any mistake (i gess not) ihad problemas on 'tasksel' step, during install. got stuck [17:36] hello [17:36] btw, yofel, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup works, thanks! [17:37] anyone else have there main volume going to zero for the first two songs you play in Banshee... after the second the volume stays put? [17:37] I am trying to install Ubuntu 11.04 latest alpha on virtual box, mut it's get always stuck to where it say: For best results, please ensuse that this computer has at least 2.5 GB available drive space and so on. After I click Forward it just does nothing [17:38] is this normal at this moment? [17:38] it does not work [17:39] robotti^, immo i'll use dynamic space on the initial vbox settings [17:39] robotti^: how much space are you allocating the install? [17:40] lcb: I use dynamic space [17:40] nlsthzn: 8GB [17:40] nlsthzn, my volume goes to zero when I open rhythmbox or banshee, but that is it [17:40] nlsthzn: when using 10.10, it just works perfectly [17:41] but I cannot get over with this thing when using ubuntu 11.04 alpha version [17:41] robotti^, with alpha 3 install? [17:41] Daekdroom: goes to zero when I open, and then on the first switch of a song also to zero... after that it is fine :p [17:42] lcb: yes. latest from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [17:42] robotti^: I have only has one successful install of natty and it was this full install I am using currently... not sure what the VBox issue is [17:42] lcb: I downloaded it about two hour ago [17:42] what's the default program for scanning images in natty? [17:42] nlsthzn: it works nice when using it on live mode [17:43] nlsthzn: but when I try install it get stuck. and installer is unresponsive [17:43] I have tested 64-bit and 32-bit versions [17:44] and tested it also some days ago with older build [17:44] robotti^, i had some install probs also from a +/- same timing download but not due to space issues. i installed natty on several machines and works fine, so be disappointed. try the image from alpha 3, not the daily one. [17:44] I can test also 10.10 and mint linux, but I am quite this happens only with this natty narwhal [17:45] lcb: can you give direct link? [17:45] *so don't be disappointed * :) [17:46] lcb: where I can download that alpha 3 image, because I just found that daily image [17:46] robotti^: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-3/ [17:47] tks nlsthzn. i was looking for it [17:47] thank you [17:47] np [17:47] I should test it [17:48] robotti^, clear that vbox machine before install again [17:48] lcb: I always create totally new virtual machine [17:48] and new virtual disc [17:48] yeap.. better [17:50] I should set it now, it just downloaded [17:51] how much memory I should use? [17:51] like 768MB? [17:51] or 1024? [17:51] robotti^, start with defaults, might be better [17:52] default was 512 [17:52] and I have about 7GB memory [17:52] doesn't matter. you'll see [17:52] ok [17:52] increase it if you prefer dough [17:53] ok [17:54] now booting [17:55] if it smokes don't inhale :o [17:55] :) [17:55] should I check checkbox Download updates while installing and INstall this third-party software [17:55] :D [17:55] yes [17:56] now it is working [17:56] :D [17:56] see... [17:56] now it does not get stuck [17:56] maybe because of using daily version? [17:57] that was broken [17:57] might be? [17:57] robotti^, natty is in testing stage so be patient.. and test.. and try again :) === Dink is now known as info === info is now known as Dink [17:58] robotti^, probably. i never had the type of issue i had today [17:59] doesn't mean it happens in all environments dough. could work fine on other machines. [17:59] yes [18:02] now booting system [18:02] it is fast install === Dink is now known as EnorMOZ [18:03] I like it === EnorMOZ is now known as Dink [18:14] after update it looks terrible [18:14] :D [18:15] so far I am enjoying natty... it is my primary OS at the moment [18:15] nlsthzn: but how to set sound things to top menu bar? [18:15] it deleted default things from menu bar after update [18:16] ouch... I am not sure to be honest [18:16] it works very well after install, but after updates it is bad [18:16] Now I cannot set volume and output things [18:17] robotti^, when you have any probs with desktop logout and use desktop classic [18:17] and there is no that where I can reboot, log in different user and something else [18:17] only clock and networking icon [18:18] lcb: how to do that? [18:18] ...and later on, probably the issue you are having it might be solved (if it is natty fault :) [18:18] robotti^, no menus at all? [18:19] lcb: there is global menu for software, but no menus for different things on right top toolbar [18:19] I just added clock there [18:20] but I do not know where I can find everything else [18:20] should I delete settings nad log in again? [18:20] and [18:20] logon again and select classic desktop [18:20] I can try [18:21] not sure if gnome-session-save -- kill will work, to get the logout dialog [18:21] lcb: how to select classic desktop? [18:22] I just log out from my user [18:22] and there is only my user and no settings to select different desktop managers. [18:22] robotti^, after select user and before input your password, selec the type of desktop [18:24] ok, now I get it :) [18:24] lcb: there is now global menu and all little nice icons [18:25] add it [18:25] lcb: it is working like should be [18:25] like before update [18:25] that's the classical style [18:26] lcb: that is not classical style, because there is that global menu [18:26] if your machine handles 3d you'll have all the features [18:26] this is virtual box [18:26] and it should handle them good [18:26] i didn't try on vbox yet [18:27] I can install additions and try with 3D candies [18:27] clicking on the pannels you don't get "add to panel"? [18:27] I get [18:28] so, you could add whatever you want, not the left natty menu bar though [18:28] lcb: no, I am using classic theme [18:28] and there is all default icons [18:28] exactly. [18:29] what I need, but when using that different system, there is only networking icon [18:29] robotti^, under the hood there are a lot of changes, don't forget that. graphically you'll (we'll) get it in time. [18:29] and I cannot find those little apps to menu bar [18:30] now we have to pay for each one [18:30] just kidding [18:31] now installing virtual box additions [18:31] robotti^, that's a smart ove... before getting all graphics functions :p [18:31] ove/move [18:32] guest additions are not only for sharing and stuff; it affects graphical manipulation too [18:36] lcb: where I cant set up eyecandy? [18:36] lcb: I know :) that why I installed eye candy additions :) [18:38] lcb: how to enable that new unity system? [18:38] right click on desktop and select 'change desktop back...'. then 'theme', i guess you'll get it [18:39] try logging again on 'Ubuntu desktop', not classic [18:39] no i have to go pee, if you don't mind :) [18:41] lcb: it is totally okay to go pee :)) [18:46] lcb: it works now when 3D enabled on virtual box [18:46] that unity [18:56] lcb: how to customize that unity toolbar? [18:56] look and feel? [18:57] anyone want to walk me through t [18:57] getting my grub to see the btrfs as root again? [18:58] it stopped working after this mornings updates. [18:58] or if it was last evenings... one of the two. [18:59] Nafallo, recover console at grub boot time and reinstall grub [19:00] robin0800: recover console dumps me in initramfs, just as trying to boot normal does. [19:01] I really need to manually mount this correctly in initramfs and let the system boot normally I believe. at least to start with. [19:01] Nafallo, you will have to use a disk then [19:02] so ehrm.. the problem isn't grub. [19:02] Yup :) [19:02] fixing something that ain't broken is not likely to be a worthy option to explore. [19:03] Specific error messages might help [19:03] it's far more likely that my initramfs images got re-spun whenever I last did the package upgrades. [19:03] if I had any... :-P [19:03] it's basically complaining that it can't find /sbin/init on /root [19:04] Nafallo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 [19:04] and that is because /root contains the different mountpoints of the btrfs. i.e. /sbin/init is in /root/@/ :-) [19:04] * Nafallo checks the link [19:05] so again. the problem isn't likely to be grub. [19:05] the problem is most likely mount being called without an argument to select the subvolume. [19:13] how do i turn off this speech thing on my natty desktop [19:18] how to install gnome shell 3? :) [19:18] can I also test it? [19:18] robotti^, not sure but i believe there is a ppa for it somewhere [19:22] I have a laptop with ATI card and i want to install natty. Can I install natty on it as I heard there is no ATI driver in natty yet. Thanks [19:24] robin0800, alkisg: so yeah. adding rootflags=subvol=@ to the linux line in grub fixes my issue. [19:25] Nafallo: ah you made a snapshot yesterday? [19:26] I managed crash my graphics driver [19:27] alkisg: I've got apt-btrfs-snapshot installed. I get snapshots every time I run apt. [19:27] Nafallo: heh, cool, but I thought that snapshots can't yet be deleted? [19:28] So you're stuck with ever increasing snapshots? [19:28] so no, I'd say someone broke something somewhere :-) [19:28] ehrm btrfs -D SnapshotName /mountpoint [19:29] Got it. I too tried btrfs but its compression is not yet working with grub [19:29] So I'll ditch it for now [19:29] I've got an SSD. just saying. [19:29] ;-) [19:29] Nafallo, show off :) [19:30] Let's not start mentioning sizes :D [19:30] yes I dont want you all to feel bad :) [19:31] pff ;-) [19:31] lol [19:32] wait until I get enough cash to buy a SLC-based SSD for my server :-P [19:32] :) [19:34] right. let's see if I can convince this thing it really really wants a default subvolume if I don't specify one... [20:02] how to revocer password? [20:02] like how to set new password [20:02] because on install I accidently set wrong password [20:02] how to boot password free root? [20:06] robotti^: should be able to use the recovery mode, select the root shell option and then use: passwd username; to set a new password for the user, replacing username with your username [20:08] trism: but it ask password? [20:08] that root shell [20:08] root password [20:08] robotti^: it does? it shouldn't when the root account is locked [20:09] funny [20:11] robotti^: if all else fails you can use the live cd, mount the partition, then: chroot /dev/sda1 /bin/bash; replacing /dev/sda1 with the partition where your linux system is installed, then use: passwd username; [20:12] now it works [20:12] robotti^: sorry not /dev/sda1, the path to the mounted partition, like /media/sda1 or whatever [20:12] robotti^: glad you got it working [20:19] Today apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade gives: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apport-gtk: apport-gtk depends on apport (>= 0.41); however: Package apport is not configured yet. [20:19] Is there a way to fix it? [20:28] soreau: can you pastebin the output of sudo dpkg --configure -a [20:29] yofel: http://pastebin.com/xCbn9H3a [20:31] * yofel thought that was fixed... [20:31] is apport enabled in /etc/default/apport? [20:31] Not sure, how can I check? [20:31] yes it is enabled=1 [20:32] yofel: I am chrooted into the natty partition from maverick however.. [20:32] ah... upstart has issues with chroots I think... [20:32] maybe I need to try while natty's actually running [20:32] give me a sec [20:33] * soreau tries [20:34] soreau: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/apport.postinst and change line 11 to: [20:34] 11 invoke-rc.d apport start || exit 0 [20:34] erm, without the 11 at the beginning.. [20:37] yofel: I just booted into it and it worked [20:37] * genii-around wonders if soreau ever got the "don't run as root" lecture [20:37] * soreau wonders if genii-around knows what chroot means [20:38] but I cannot get any windows to appear in X, just a mouse cursor and wallpaper [20:38] no panel, nothing. But unity and compiz are running [20:38] soreau: Ah, thought was regular prompt [20:38] genii-around: nope. I'm usually the one giving the lecture :) [20:38] which sounds like my last unity experience... [20:38] but replacing with metacity has no effect either [20:38] I had no panel and no sidebar [20:39] after starting gnome-panel/terminal from tty, it's still nothing [20:39] but it used to work [20:39] soreau, try unity --replace & [20:41] robin0800: actually, I probably should let all updates complete and reboot [20:46] latest overnight fails to complete install [20:48] bwallum, its an alpha [20:49] Need java sdk, openjdk building fails. [20:50] Now its been removed from partner, where can I grab from? [20:53] ok it's all updated but after X loads, there are no windows able to be visible, only a mouse cursor and the wallpaper. Nothing else. What could be wrong? [20:55] soreau, have you logged in? [20:55] uh, yea it's on auto login [20:55] doesn't matter what wm I try to start from tty, or start windows like gnome-terminal, they do not show in X [20:56] not even the cursor changes to resize or anything when moving over the screen [20:56] it's just wallpaper and mouse cursor and all programs are running, it's just not showing any windows === jfi is now known as jporsini [20:57] soreau, would suspect compiz has crashed no compiz no unity 3d [20:58] I just need a terminal. [20:58] * soreau tries startx [20:59] ok with startx I can get a terminal up [21:04] #robin0800 just feedback [21:04] no wonder [21:04] my user isn't part of the video group for whatever reason [21:05] pretty serious consequence for broken 3D (when not even metacity works) [21:06] installing latest upgrade [21:07] soreau: nobody is in the video group, that's unused these days AFAIK [21:07] ummmm [21:08] Then why does glxinfo say that it can't open drm because of permissions? [21:08] And ls -l /dev/dri/card0 is root video [21:08] then some udev rule is broken maybe, works fine here [21:08] Are you using a proprietary driver? [21:08] ah, you're using some open source driver [21:09] yes [21:09] Then you don't count ;) [21:09] It's not just some open driver btw, it's The Radeon Driver [TM] ;) [21:15] what shall I make of the following? : sudo aptitude safe-upgrade .... Resolving dependencies... .... open: 50601; closed: 62432; defer: 73; conflict: 174 .Killed [21:24] !info libnux [21:24] Package libnux does not exist in natty === bac` is now known as bac [22:01] unity does not work at all [22:02] I can get compiz to work, but unity makes it so no windows are mapped and only the mouse cursor shows against wallpaper [22:02] soreau, have you done today's unity updates? [22:03] Just finished a few hours ago [22:03] Some of them hit the repos less than an hour ago. [22:04] (atleast here) [22:38] Hi, if I install 11.04 alpha three, I will be able to update everything via the update manager, and not have to reinstall the release by disc? [22:38] also, is there a page dedicated to show stopper? [22:40] show stoppers* [22:43] natty is the one coming without x-server? or is it ubuntu+2? :) [22:44] slackster: correct, you can update without re-installing and as long as you do, you will have an installation equal to the final release [22:45] iceroot: natty does have x-server, not sure which release will go wayland without X [22:45] charlie-tca: ok, thanks [22:46] You are welcome [22:51]