| Neko | is ubiquity-3d going to be happy with GLES2 (i.e. is someone actively finishing Compiz for GLES2?) for Natty release? | 00:21 |
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| Neko | is there any way I can know if a bug got reported for the fact that Natty alpha3 doesn't install a working backend (gconf for example) by default, so Compiz doesn't run? | 00:24 |
| Neko | (once you install compizbackend-gconf and reboot it works fine but fails GL and gives you a "working session" anyway) | 00:24 |
| rsalveti | Neko: linaro is doind the for to port compiz to gles | 00:26 |
| rsalveti | don't know yet if it'll be ready for natty | 00:26 |
| rsalveti | but we'll release at least at a ppa | 00:26 |
| Neko | so on ARM, default desktop will be unity-2d? | 00:33 |
| Neko | or unity-3d with the compiz falling back to software? | 00:33 |
| rsalveti | Neko: for now default will be unity-2d | 00:48 |
| rsalveti | ideally unity-3d would be the default when you have your drivers installed | 00:49 |
| rsalveti | and unity-2d the fallback | 00:49 |
| rsalveti | only at arm | 00:49 |
| rsalveti | at desktop the classic desktop will be the fallback | 00:49 |
| Neko | unity-3d does fall back properly though | 00:49 |
| ScottK | unity-2d does 3d just fine if the drivers support it. | 00:49 |
| ScottK | (I'd assume so anyway since it's Qt) | 00:50 |
| Neko | it just doesn't *today* because of some compiz misversioning halfway-uploaded builder mania :) | 00:50 |
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| Neko | ah well. I guess we had the weekend to get a stable snapshot of the mirror and missed the opportunity :3 | 00:51 |
| rsalveti | ScottK: well, unity-2d with 3d support, from Qt is a little bit different, but yes, 3d still | 01:02 |
| rsalveti | the normal unity would be with compiz | 01:02 |
| rsalveti | and nux, but still need more work to support gles | 01:02 |
| rsalveti | GrueMaster: cool, webkit bug is finally tested | 02:16 |
| rsalveti | just running ubiquity again with the slideshow | 02:16 |
| rsalveti | working fine | 02:16 |
| rsalveti | will update the bug with the debdiff | 02:16 |
| rsalveti | more than 15 hours per build | 02:16 |
| GrueMaster | Sweet | 02:16 |
| rsalveti | and at least 2gb of ram to be able to link it | 02:17 |
| rsalveti | scary | 02:17 |
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| GrueMaster | Now to fix openoffice. | 02:17 |
| rsalveti | one step at a time | 02:17 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 02:17 |
| StevenK | GrueMaster: I suggest more fire. | 02:17 |
| rsalveti | lol | 02:17 |
| GrueMaster | That takes something like 2 days on x86. | 02:17 |
| rsalveti | ouch | 02:17 |
| StevenK | GrueMaster: Uh? libreoffice on i386 finished in 5 hours. | 02:18 |
| GrueMaster | Well, it did back in 2006 when I was at Intel. That was on 8x PIII Xeon 900mhz with something like 8G ram (32 bit PAE). | 02:18 |
| GrueMaster | Systems are a little faster these days. | 02:18 |
| StevenK | The armel build started ... yesterday | 02:19 |
| GrueMaster | Back then, we created a 4G ram disk to do the build. Watching it with -j 10 was cool (for about 30 seconds). | 02:19 |
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| prpplague | ogra / rsalveti ping | 03:49 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: pong | 03:50 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: hey, i'm totally brain dead this evening but...... | 03:50 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: i need to compile a custom kernel for the panda ubuntu images | 03:50 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: ok | 03:51 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: what git tree do i need to use, and are there any gotchas to doing a based install on the sd card, and then replacing the kernel with my custom one? | 03:51 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git;a=summary | 03:52 |
| rsalveti | for natty | 03:52 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: is that 10.10 ? | 03:52 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: ti-omap4-dev gets you to the 38 kernel | 03:52 |
| rsalveti | 11.04 | 03:52 |
| rsalveti | do you need for 10.10? | 03:52 |
| prpplague | 10.10 is what we have on omapedia, but if 11.04 is current that is fine | 03:52 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: any gotchas on doing a basic install on sd , then replacing the kernel with a custom built one? | 03:54 |
| prpplague | i need to add support for a lvds display via the DPI interface | 03:54 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: just need to install the kernel package, that will generate the initrd | 03:54 |
| rsalveti | then you need to generate and copy the uInitrd and uImage files to the first partition | 03:55 |
| rsalveti | or if you're running the board, just call flash-kernel | 03:55 |
| rsalveti | if it's not called automatically already | 03:55 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: is the procedure documented somewhere? | 03:56 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: you mean, to build the kernel package? | 03:59 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: correct | 03:59 |
| rsalveti | cooloney: do you know the correct wiki page that describe how to build the kernel? | 04:00 |
| rsalveti | the kernel wiki list is quite huge | 04:00 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance may help | 04:04 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: thanks!!! | 04:05 |
| * prpplague looks | 04:05 | |
| rsalveti | I generally cross build it with debuild -eCROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- -b -aarmel | 04:07 |
| rsalveti | but at this wiki you can find all the details on how to maintain your own ubuntu kernel package | 04:07 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: hmm, looks like i need to do some reading tomorrow to come up to speed | 04:09 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: yup | 04:09 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: well i'll bookmark and have look in the morning | 04:10 |
| prpplague | i'm totally brain dead | 04:10 |
| prpplague | got the hardware for my netpandabook working today | 04:10 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: just need to get the kernel updated for the ubuntu build | 04:11 |
| rsalveti | NCommander: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit/+bug/728211 | 06:26 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 728211 in webkit "webkit crashes with SIGSEGV on ARM" [Undecided,In progress] | 06:26 |
| rsalveti | one merge proposal for the webkit fix | 06:26 |
| cooloney | rsalveti: sorry, just back from lunch. | 06:33 |
| cooloney | rsalveti: yeah, your URL is right. | 06:33 |
| rsalveti | cool | 06:36 |
| * rsalveti gone, back in 7 hours | 06:36 | |
| cooloney | rsalveti: good night | 06:36 |
| rsalveti | thks! | 06:37 |
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| janimo | ogra, managed to upgrade your ac100 to natty? | 10:23 |
| === zul_ is now known as zul | ||
| janimo | anyone else with a tegra or other non-NEON capable hardware could test latest Qt in natty to see if it works - it is supposed to be built without NEON except for a few files which should only be used on NEON-capable hw | 10:24 |
| alf | vstehle: rsalveti: Hi! Is there a reason for pvr-omap4 to depend on libgles and libegl? It breaks my workflow (installing libgles, libegl separately under /usr/local and using LD_LIBRARY_PATH to run with them) :( | 11:00 |
| vstehle | alf: yes, the "test" binaries, which are in pvr-omap4 package today | 11:01 |
| vstehle | What does this break exactly? | 11:01 |
| alf | vstehle: 1. The ability to have both mesa and pvr installed and select at will (eg LD_LIBRARY_PATH) and 2. the pvr packages don't provide -dev versions so I can't build anything with them (I have to have mesa -dev packages installed which I can't because they conflict with the pvr ones) | 11:03 |
| alf | vstehle: previously I had installed pvr-omap4 normally and manually extracted libgles/egl -sgx under /usr/local/lib/sgx, so I could just select what to use with LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 11:05 |
| alf | vstehle: (and still be able to compile using the mesa -dev packages) | 11:06 |
| vstehle | alf: I am not sure we can have 1. For 2, we now have a -dev package on-going "internally". rsalveti is on it :) | 11:08 |
| alf | vstehle: That's good news I guess. Still I don't think pvr-omap4 depending on libgles is the best approach. Eg you could have eg a pvr-omap4-tests that contains the tests and is suggested by pvr-omap4 | 11:10 |
| vstehle | alf: agreed. I'll track that. | 11:16 |
| alf | vstehle: Thanks :) Another argument for this is that although there are separate packages for gles, gles2, vg there is no way to install only a subset of them (because they depend on pvr-omap4 that in turn depends on all of them). | 11:20 |
| ogra | janimo, probably GrueMaster can test if i.e. mumble starts on hhis dove, i havent attempted a new upgrade yet on the ac100 | 12:02 |
| ogra | janimo, i see that the tsaksel WI was closed, did it just work ? | 12:06 |
| ogra | *tasksel | 12:07 |
| janimo | ogra, GrueMaster closed that, I have not worked on that yet | 12:33 |
| janimo | so I don;t think it should be DONE unless things just fell into place by default :) | 12:33 |
| ogra | well, i'll do a test install later today lets see, probably it just runs if the debconf frontend is selected | 12:34 |
| janimo | alf, is GLES 2.0 preferred over GLES 1.1 or they should be picked on an app by app basis and should coexist? | 12:35 |
| janimo | since the API's are so differnet 2.0 does not look like a regular 'improvement' | 12:35 |
| alf | janimo: gles1 and gles2 are not compatible | 12:36 |
| janimo | alf, yes I know. But is one preferred over the other when writing new apps | 12:36 |
| janimo | when peiple tlak about let's port to GLES | 12:37 |
| alf | janimo: yes, gles2 | 12:37 |
| janimo | do they mean both? | 12:37 |
| janimo | ok | 12:37 |
| janimo | great, thanks | 12:37 |
| alf | janimo: in the sense that programmable gfx pipeline is the future (and there is good support for it even now) | 12:38 |
| alf | yw | 12:38 |
| ranisuneela | ./join #gstreamer | 13:31 |
| rsalveti | alf: yeah, makes sense | 14:01 |
| rsalveti | will change it together with the new -dev package | 14:01 |
| rsalveti | should hit the ppa later today | 14:01 |
| alf | rsalveti: cool, thanks | 14:01 |
| alf | rsalveti: btw, I am getting a Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y | 14:02 |
| alf | rsalveti: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgles2-sgx-omap4'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) | 14:02 |
| alf | rsalveti: on alpha3 image, any ideas? | 14:03 |
| alf | rsalveti: (using omap-trunk) | 14:03 |
| rsalveti | alf: not yet, will try to reproduce | 14:03 |
| rsalveti | I have a fresh a3 that just booted | 14:03 |
| rsalveti | alf: this is at the first moment you install the packages? | 14:04 |
| rsalveti | or after already installing the mesa ones | 14:04 |
| rsalveti | including the -dev package | 14:04 |
| alf | after having installed the mesa ones, I do an apt-get install pvr-omap4 | 14:05 |
| rsalveti | alf: did you installed the -dev packges first? | 14:06 |
| alf | rsalveti: yes mesa -dev packages are installed | 14:07 |
| rsalveti | that could be the issue | 14:07 |
| rsalveti | will try to reproduce | 14:08 |
| alf | rsalveti: FWIW, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/578346/ | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | janimo: would you mind applying merge request from bug 728211? | 14:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 728211 in webkit "webkit crashes with SIGSEGV on ARM" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728211 | 14:12 |
| janimo | rsalveti, will do | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | janimo: thanks! | 14:12 |
| janimo | rsalveti, upload too I presume? | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | janimo: yes :-) | 14:13 |
| janimo | oki :) | 14:13 |
| rsalveti | alf: what happens if you remove the -dev packages first? | 14:13 |
| alf | alf: trying that now... | 14:13 |
| alf | rsalveti: trying that now... | 14:14 |
| alf | rsalveti: no improvement :/ | 14:15 |
| rsalveti | weird | 14:15 |
| rlameiro | anyone in here as experience in doing nfs boot using diferent sub-subnets | 14:24 |
| rlameiro | connecting from 192.168.1.xxx to 192.168.10.xxx | 14:25 |
| janimo | rsalveti, I think it is better to keep UNRELEASED instead of natty in branches in the future. Otherwise it creates a branch for revision name. I am not too good with bzr/debcommit so scracthed my head a bit why it says tag already exists | 14:25 |
| rlameiro | being that the latter is a router connected to the other one | 14:25 |
| rsalveti | janimo: hm, ok | 14:26 |
| rsalveti | not a problem | 14:26 |
| ogra | janimo, ++ (on the UNRELEASED part) | 14:37 |
| ogra | janimo, tasksel runs fine by default, the only two probs i have seen are oem-config not starting at all and colormap distortion during package removal | 14:38 |
| janimo | rsalveti, uploaded, fingers crossed. I am really lousy at UDD style sposonring, took me more than 20 min | 14:39 |
| * janimo awaits the merge triggers pkg upload LP feature | 14:39 | |
| janimo | I dislike the need to manually keep in sync the branches and packages | 14:40 |
| janimo | ogra, yes I saw the two bugreports. Any idea where I should start looking? Is this in the ubuntu-cdimage or debian-cd project? | 14:41 |
| janimo | I guess where the FS is created | 14:41 |
| ogra | not sure, there is an event entry for "start on oem-config-debconf" but that doesnt seem to exist anywhere | 14:42 |
| rsalveti | janimo: thanks | 14:42 |
| ogra | i think its an ubiquity prob with the upstart job, notthing to do with the image creation | 14:43 |
| janimo | rsalveti, yw | 14:45 |
| rsalveti | once the new webkit package hits the archive we can start using it again at ubiquity | 14:45 |
| janimo | rsalveti, great. So one week :) | 14:46 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 14:46 |
| janimo | LibO is 1 day 16 hours, Qt is 1 day 14 hours | 14:47 |
| rsalveti | alf: just installed it here and it went fine | 14:47 |
| rsalveti | alf: after install all mesa packages I installed the sgx ones from the tiomap-dev trunk ppa | 14:47 |
| rsalveti | and it went find, could be another bug | 14:48 |
| rsalveti | will now try to install back the mesa ones to see if it works fine | 14:48 |
| rsalveti | janimo: ouch | 14:48 |
| rsalveti | webkit will take more than 1 day for sure | 14:48 |
| alf | rsalveti: :/, this means that something is messed up with my setup, wish me good luck ;) | 14:49 |
| rsalveti | we'll see after removing the test applications from pvr-omap and having a proper -dev package | 14:50 |
| janimo | rsalveti, last build was 1 day 1h on armel, so not quite as heavy as Qt or LibO | 14:52 |
| rsalveti | sill more than 1 day :-) | 14:52 |
| GrueMaster | janimo: I tested the headless install yesterday. Had to launch oem-config manually after manipulating the image to get a login. oem-config launched tasksel just fine, so I marked that WI as done. | 14:54 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, ok thanks | 14:55 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, any non-NEON hw around you to see if latest Qt works? | 14:56 |
| GrueMaster | Yea, but it will need to wait for the caffeine to melt the crud keeping my eyes from focusing. | 14:56 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, 7 AM at you? Sorry | 14:57 |
| GrueMaster | Almost. | 14:57 |
| GrueMaster | Few minutes left. | 14:58 |
| GrueMaster | But I have coffee. :D | 14:58 |
| * NCommander coughs | 16:02 | |
| * rsalveti out for lunch | 16:02 | |
| * ogra takes a break and will then test the oem-config fix | 16:03 | |
| rsalveti | wow, i386 webkit build takes 53 minutes | 16:04 |
| rsalveti | and the arm one more than 1 day | 16:04 |
| NCommander | rsalveti: almost as bad as OOo | 16:07 |
| janimo | Order of decreasing time-to-build: OO, Qt, gcc, webkit | 16:07 |
| janimo | s/OO/LibO/ | 16:08 |
| NCommander | firefox/thunderbird | 16:08 |
| NCommander | should be on that list | 16:08 |
| janimo | probably | 16:08 |
| janimo | neh, unde 12 hours | 16:09 |
| janimo | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/4.0~rc1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2312427 | 16:09 |
| janimo | the ones above are over one day | 16:09 |
| janimo | just noticed chromium FTBFS two days ago without buldlog | 16:11 |
| janimo | like LibO and Qt back then | 16:11 |
| janimo | given back | 16:12 |
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| ogra | geeez, the headless image is so fast | 18:07 |
| rsalveti | ogra: :-) | 18:07 |
| armin76 | how can you say that being an ubuntu dev :P | 18:25 |
| ogra | ?? | 18:25 |
| armin76 | thats like saying windows has more market share than ubuntu :D | 18:25 |
| * ogra doesnt get it ... do you mean ubuntu has to be slow or ubuntu has to have a head ? | 18:26 | |
| armin76 | the latter | 18:27 |
| armin76 | i mean, it doesn't need to have a head, but its the common thing when you think about ubuntu | 18:27 |
| ogra | heh, being the number one linux distro in cloud deployments doesnt count ? | 18:27 |
| ogra | ubuntu server comes headless by default ;) | 18:28 |
| armin76 | well, you don't redirect kernel output to serial in the omap4 images :P | 18:28 |
| ogra | yes, it doesnt make sense on the netbook images and breaks plymouth | 18:28 |
| ogra | the headless one will have serial | 18:29 |
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| ogra | rsalveti, janimo, GrueMaster, any suggestion how to set the default console on headless ? if i set to serial only the installer will default to serial too, if i set serial and tty1 the installer will default to DVI | 18:39 |
| GrueMaster | Well, headless would imply serial console only. | 18:40 |
| ogra | do we want to enforce the installer to run on serial | 18:40 |
| ogra | headles just implies no graphical interface | 18:40 |
| GrueMaster | No, headless implies no kvm. | 18:40 |
| rsalveti | I don't think it implies serial console only | 18:40 |
| janimo | ogra, can also imply console text mode interface | 18:40 |
| ogra | janimo, yes | 18:41 |
| GrueMaster | I've been doing headless systems for 15 years. | 18:41 |
| ogra | thats what i mean | 18:41 |
| GrueMaster | Headless in the industry indicates no local console. | 18:41 |
| janimo | I mean monitor but no GUI just framebuffer | 18:41 |
| GrueMaster | No gui is different. | 18:41 |
| ogra | yes | 18:41 |
| ogra | well, the question is what do we want to default to | 18:41 |
| rsalveti | I believe uart would be better for us | 18:42 |
| GrueMaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_system | 18:42 |
| janimo | but for the scope of this spec I understood people who don't hook up a monitor just ssh into the hw | 18:42 |
| rsalveti | most tutorials and such uses uart when dealing with panda and beagle | 18:42 |
| janimo | what does linaro do for their nano/dev images? | 18:42 |
| GrueMaster | As do most headless installs. | 18:42 |
| GrueMaster | for other arches. | 18:42 |
| GrueMaster | What does server do for x86? | 18:43 |
| ogra | console | 18:43 |
| ogra | they dont even set serial by default | 18:43 |
| GrueMaster | For headless installs? | 18:43 |
| ogra | for server installs | 18:43 |
| ogra | the default iso uses console mode | 18:44 |
| ogra | you have to change the default to get serial | 18:44 |
| janimo | Does modern server hw still have UART? | 18:44 |
| janimo | x86 | 18:44 |
| ogra | yes | 18:44 |
| GrueMaster | janimo: most current x86 server platforms also have a special serial over ip system at the hardware level. | 18:45 |
| * GrueMaster worked on this at Intel in 2006. | 18:46 | |
| armin76 | which you have to configure :P | 18:48 |
| armin76 | at least on hp machines | 18:48 |
| * ogra wonders what plymouth will do on serial only systems | 18:52 | |
| * GrueMaster is surprised that we don't have a method for installing on a headless server. | 18:54 | |
| ogra | we do | 18:54 |
| ogra | d-i has one | 18:54 |
| ogra | but you have to tell it to use serial console | 18:55 |
| ogra | through kernel cmdline and preseeding | 18:55 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: As to headless console and output either via dvi or serial, you could check from jasper if a keyboard is present. dmesg | grep "USB HID" will either show a kb or be blank if none present. | 19:25 |
| GrueMaster | I've tested this twice now on the headless image with break=init at boot before jasper-setup runs. With usb keyboard it returns a value (... USB HID v1.10 Keyboard...) | 19:25 |
| GrueMaster | Returns blank if nothing found. | 19:25 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, hmm, i didnt actually plan to put it into jasper since we will need to add additional info to the image then | 19:28 |
| ogra | i.e. jasper would need to know its on a headless image | 19:29 |
| ogra | we have code for setting the default cmdline in the image builder, i would rather like to use that | 19:29 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. That will create an image that *only* works one way or the other. My idea could be expanded to auto-detect. | 19:30 |
| ogra | well, your auto detection would need to be a bit bigger :) | 19:30 |
| GrueMaster | Might be worth exploring in O. | 19:31 |
| ogra | not all omap kbds are attached via USB HID | 19:31 |
| ogra | yes, definitely | 19:31 |
| ogra | (teh blaze kbd isnt usb afaik) | 19:31 |
| GrueMaster | Is there another method for attaching a keyboard? | 19:31 |
| ogra | plenty | 19:31 |
| ogra | i bet persia could hold a talk about it ;) | 19:31 |
| prpplague | ogra / rsalveti lvds is working, just need to add in the kernel modules to the initrd | 19:32 |
| ogra | the omap3 evm boards (which should boot with our image) only has a keypad for example | 19:32 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: cool | 19:32 |
| ogra | prpplague, awesome | 19:32 |
| GrueMaster | but how is the keyboard mapped? It would make more sense to have it connected via usb as the driver base is already there. | 19:33 |
| rsalveti | not usb | 19:33 |
| rsalveti | it's a keymap driver | 19:33 |
| ogra | its a great idea but definitiely requires more than a grep in demsg | 19:34 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: i2c, spi, ps2, smbus, usb, and via the omap3/4 keyboard matrix | 19:34 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 19:34 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: thats just to name a few | 19:35 |
| ogra | i think you can detect them on the input device layer though | 19:35 |
| GrueMaster | Still could be a grep in dmesg. Just need to change the search parameters. The full line looks like this: | 19:36 |
| GrueMaster | [1380061.936154] input: USB KB as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-2/2-2.1/2-2.1:1.0/input/input5 | 19:36 |
| GrueMaster | [1380061.936511] generic-usb 0003:05D5:6781.0004: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [USB KB] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-2.1/input0 | 19:36 |
| ogra | it should better be a udev rule that sets a flag or execs a script | 19:37 |
| GrueMaster | As I don't have HW to test, I don't know what to suggest to look for, but maybe hidraw0? | 19:37 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: easiest would be to check the input events, either as part of /dev/input or in sysfs | 19:37 |
| ogra | you can match against the input subsystem | 19:37 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: iirc the android framework opens each of the /dev/input/events and check to see if certain buttons are available | 19:38 |
| ogra | thats lame | 19:38 |
| ogra | i'm pretty sure there is a way to do it through udev | 19:39 |
| rsalveti | well, I guess you can use udev to behave in a similar way | 19:40 |
| rsalveti | yup | 19:40 |
| ogra | without having to walk all input devices | 19:40 |
| rsalveti | just dump all events | 19:40 |
| rsalveti | and see what can be used | 19:40 |
| ogra | yep | 19:40 |
| ogra | i know you can match against SUBSYSTEM=input but i dont know if you get actual info if its a kbd | 19:41 |
| prpplague | i don't think that is going to help since you could have something like a usb numberic keypad or even just some gpio buttons | 19:43 |
| ogra | and that doesnt use the input subsystem of the kernel ? | 19:43 |
| prpplague | yes those use input subsystem, but the input subsystem doesn't really distinguish between input "types", only the keys/functions that are registered to the device | 19:44 |
| ogra | right, thats what i feared | 19:45 |
| GrueMaster | Better yet, how about we make a simple check based on HW we can test, and let the community add to it? | 19:45 |
| prpplague | you could easily take evtest.c and hack it a little to open each of the events, check for the keys QWERTY registered. if it finds one return a known value | 19:46 |
| ogra | the prob will be that you dont see jasper output at all if you dont have the right console before jasper already | 19:47 |
| GrueMaster | We don't see jasper now, not sure it makes a difference. | 19:49 |
| ogra | ?? | 19:50 |
| GrueMaster | Plymouth. | 19:50 |
| ogra | i see all jasper output in the text splash atm | 19:50 |
| ogra | the missing text on the graphical theme is a bug that will be fixed before release | 19:50 |
| GrueMaster | So, what happens if you add console=ttyO2,115200 console=tty0? (other than losing plymouth). | 19:52 |
| ogra | you will see the boot on serial, oem-config will come up on tty0 | 19:52 |
| ogra | plymouth will die and jasper will echo to tty0 | 19:53 |
| rsalveti | so can't you be smart enough to just open oem-config to the "best" place for the user? | 19:53 |
| ogra | since thats the default console after the kernel has booted | 19:53 |
| rsalveti | like if he's using an usb keyboard | 19:53 |
| ogra | rsalveti, same issue, you dont see the rezize process | 19:54 |
| ogra | we need a default at image build time | 19:54 |
| rsalveti | for now I'd put ttyO2 as default | 19:54 |
| ogra | i.e. we need a decision | 19:54 |
| rsalveti | good that now it's the same one for omap3 and omap4 | 19:54 |
| ogra | yep | 19:54 |
| ogra | k, hedless defaults to console=ttyO2,115200n8 now | 19:58 |
| ogra | *headless | 19:58 |
| GrueMaster | Well, currently I see nothing on serial beyond u-boot standard output. I would suggest using both console output additions, or creating a way for jasper output to be mirrored on serial at the least. | 19:59 |
| ogra | we need to cover that in the docs somewhere | 19:59 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, if you use both, oem-config will pick tty0 | 19:59 |
| GrueMaster | Then either jasper or some pre oem-config process can decide were to route. | 19:59 |
| GrueMaster | Also need an /etc/init/ttyO2.conf regardless. | 20:00 |
| ogra | jasper cares for that | 20:00 |
| ogra | at least it should ;) if not thats a bug | 20:00 |
| GrueMaster | Must be a new feature. Not in the latest image. | 20:00 |
| ogra | while i really like the ideas coming up here, i suspect its all Oneric material | 20:01 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, bug number ? | 20:01 |
| ogra | ;:) | 20:01 |
| * GrueMaster is currently reproducing 2 other bugs on different systems, checking NCommander's panda to figure out why it is unstable, and chatting on 2 irc channels. I'll get to it. | 20:02 | |
| ogra | http://paste.ubuntu.com/578496/ | 20:03 |
| ogra | thats the code in jasper | 20:03 |
| ogra | you should in any case have a serial.conf file if you had a console=ttyS* or O* option set before jasper runs | 20:04 |
| GrueMaster | Oh, so it only works if I have console=ttyO2 on the boot cmdline. | 20:04 |
| ogra | yes | 20:04 |
| ogra | it copies the upstart job in place if it detects that a serial console is used on first boot | 20:05 |
| ogra | i simplified the upstart script today, it should work more generically in tomorrows image | 20:06 |
| ogra | in case there was a bug in it | 20:06 |
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| prpplague | ogra_: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XBDVyGLKlEfA1qimY9IkpQUEcMIzmiipT-Yyx8698II?feat=directlink | 22:20 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: finally an omap 4 netbook :-) | 22:27 |
| rsalveti | if you put natty with unity-2d it'll be even better | 22:28 |
| TitanMKD | hi | 22:28 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: hehe | 22:36 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: think there would be demand for it? | 22:36 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: I'd like to get one :-) | 22:36 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: with a panda inside? | 22:37 |
| rsalveti | yup | 22:37 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: this wasn't designed for the panda to go inside | 22:37 |
| rsalveti | prpplague: what was the original idea? | 22:38 |
| prpplague | rsalveti: basically to do netbook development with a stock panda | 22:38 |
| GrueMaster | From the photo, it looks like someone has a laptop connected to a panda. Nothing in the photo indicates that the laptop is just a display & keyboard for the panda. | 22:44 |
| rsalveti | but it's nice either way | 22:54 |
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