[07:09] <chibihogoshino> !time
[10:35] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: it is time to get a bot that does more than listen I thin
[10:35] <cyberanger> but the cost of a clock is minimal, usually ships with the computer ;-)
[10:45] <chibihogoshino> clock ?
[10:55] <cyberanger> last message, 02:09 am, !time
[10:56] <cyberanger> a clock is the simplest of programs, guantreed to be right at least twice a day
[10:56] <cyberanger> and I have to admit, much simpler than an IRC bot
[11:07] <chibihogoshino> oh
[11:08] <chibihogoshino> i was marking how long it was that this channel would be silent
[11:49] <cyberanger> heh
[11:49] <cyberanger> and at two am, bad time
[11:49] <cyberanger> four hours of sleep
[12:42] <chibihogoshino> sleep ?
[12:56] <wrst> good morning
[13:04] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: 2am to 6am, granted I'm not most people, but most people would be asleep
[13:04] <cyberanger> morning wrst
[13:05] <wrst> cyberanger: good morning
[13:13] <chibihogoshino> i guess
[13:13] <chibihogoshino> oh hi chan
[13:17] <cyberanger> wrst: how's it going?
[13:17] <wrst> going well cyberanger, you?
[13:18] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: I sleep when I hit the bed, how long I sleep varies too much, hence not most people
[13:18] <cyberanger> wrst: even pokes fun at that from time to time ;-)
[13:18] <cyberanger> wrst: not too bad
[13:18] <chibihogoshino> me too
[13:18] <cyberanger> weather clears further, then it'll be better
[13:18] <chibihogoshino> i think i slept for a hour last night
[13:19] <cyberanger> last night was odd, perhaps 8 or perhaps zero
[13:19] <cyberanger> woke up so much, kinda hard to call what it really was
[13:20] <chibihogoshino> i hate when that happens
[13:20] <chibihogoshino> id rather be up than drifting
[13:20] <chibihogoshino> or surfing the dream scape
[13:20] <cyberanger> wasn't drifting, which would have been a little better
[13:20] <cyberanger> it was down and up, abrupt
[13:20] <chibihogoshino> oh damn..
[13:21] <chibihogoshino> thats worse
[13:21] <cyberanger> yeah, adreline kick in the process, higer heart beat
[13:21] <cyberanger> fine in under 5 minutes, but annoying process
[13:23] <chibihogoshino> any dreams ?
[13:24] <cyberanger> none, probally 8 years or so since the last
[13:24] <chibihogoshino> wow
[13:25] <cyberanger> well, regularly that is
[13:31] <cyberanger> a few since, but easily heads south
[13:50] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: you and I, we seem to be the bit of the group that just has that weird sleep routine (or lack of)
[13:51] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[13:52] <chibihogoshino> i have no routine at all for sleeping
[13:52] <chibihogoshino> sometimes i sleep for 20 hours and sometimes i sleep a hour a night
[13:53] <cyberanger> same, and allways seem to wake up before 6am
[13:53] <cyberanger> at some point in the night
[13:54] <cyberanger> I may fall back asleep, might not
[13:55] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[13:56] <chibihogoshino> i hate that when i dont have a job.. i still cant sleep in
[13:57] <cyberanger> lol, that isn't necessarlly bad, allows you to spend time working
[13:57] <cyberanger> and proving you get up early
[13:58] <chibihogoshino> i have nothing to work on tho ..
[13:58] <cyberanger> funny thing is, for me I'll wind up nights, try and stay up all day, so I'll sync back up
[13:59] <cyberanger> and wake up at 2am or somthing, curse in an empty room after a few hours trying to sleep
[13:59] <cyberanger> wind up right back on nights
[13:59] <cyberanger> when I'm working that doesn't happen (easy to prevent at least)
[13:59] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[14:00] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: so yeah, no logic at all, some friends have that too, but with mortar fire at night, patrols in the day, it's expected
[14:00] <cyberanger> not expected in me
[14:02] <Xpistos> hey yal
[14:02] <Xpistos> wrst
[14:03] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: past life memories
[14:04] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos how's it going
[14:04] <wrst> Xpistos: i think you were asking about natty (11.04) ?
[14:04] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: you mean that was your life before?
[14:04] <Xpistos> Yes
[14:05] <Xpistos> I wanted to know  if it was safe for me to install natty right now?
[14:05] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: the reason for yours now
[14:05] <Xpistos> my system is acting to goofy and I need a fresh install
[14:05] <wrst> Xpistos: useable, not perfect but making strides with every upgrade, but I don't know :)
[14:05] <Xpistos> what version are they on?
[14:05] <Xpistos> beta what?
[14:05] <wrst> for me Xpistos it works pretty good
[14:05] <wrst> its alpha 3 Xpistos
[14:06] <Xpistos> oh
[14:06] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: I've never been near a mortar though
[14:06] <chibihogoshino> not in this life
[14:07] <Xpistos> when is the official release day
[14:07] <Xpistos> cause I am installing like the next day
[14:07] <Xpistos> too many issues with my 10.04 install right now and I want a freash start
[14:09] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: buddist just isn't common in TN, even with my zen leanings, I didn't catch on
[14:12] <Xpistos> ok here is another question. I want a 'landscape-esq' program to manage the computers on my network. Any suggestions?
[14:12] <cyberanger> makes sense actually considering how much of this life has been that way (and the boarding schools didn't help)
[14:12] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I thought landscape was only servers, not desktops
[14:12] <cyberanger> so what is it your aiming to manage
[14:12] <Xpistos> no, you can install it on a server
[14:13] <Xpistos> or on a desktop rather
[14:13] <cyberanger> yes, but can it truely manage a desktop
[14:13] <Xpistos> it actually makes it easier to manage my wife's comptuer
[14:13] <Xpistos> more or less
[14:13] <cyberanger> ok, so it's code is geared for both, mostly
[14:14] <cyberanger> um, I'm config file, cron job and ssh loyal, what's the goals
[14:14] <cyberanger> does her computer roam
[14:16] <Xpistos> no
[14:19] <cyberanger> and what are you wanting to manage
[14:19] <cyberanger> apt-get, samba, avahi?
[14:20] <Xpistos> whatever
[14:20] <Xpistos> yesterday all of a sudden her flash up and quit
[14:20] <cyberanger> oh, well that's flash
[14:21] <cyberanger> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/flash-102-found-be-crashy
[14:21] <cyberanger> not sure how to really automate that
[14:22] <cyberanger> wrst: what can webmen manage on a desktop
[14:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I would think an apt cronjob would handle updates, if you keep her off betas
[14:23] <cyberanger> but not much you can do with flash
[14:24] <cyberanger> kill the browser and restart, worst option
[14:24] <cyberanger> or kill flash and restart, better, but rarer
[14:24] <wrst> hmm cyberanger webmin is good, pretty much everythign updates the whole deal
[14:24] <Xpistos> nope had to reinstall flash
[14:25] <wrst> Xpistos: what do you need to manage?
[14:26] <cyberanger> Xpistos: so, sudo apt-get purge/remove flashplugin-installer && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[14:26] <Xpistos> just basics, updates, logs, NFS anti-virus and firewall
[14:27] <cyberanger> firewall is easy for a true non-mobile desktop setup your describing
[14:27] <cyberanger> nothing is  listening but dhcp
[14:27] <cyberanger> and your router is NAT'd and firewalled
[14:28] <cyberanger> as for AV on linux, rarely utilized, you could cronjob her home I suppose
[14:28] <cyberanger> but not sure what you'd catch that'd get her, if she can't install
[14:28] <cyberanger> updates I cronjob, and ssh into later to apply them
[14:29] <cyberanger> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade (and later run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to apply them, after checking for issues)
[14:29] <cyberanger> would that work for you?
[14:29] <cyberanger> you could further automate it, with minute risk
[14:29] <Xpistos> it would help yes
[14:30] <Xpistos> how do you check for issues
[14:30] <cyberanger> will you be on later tonight?
[14:30] <Xpistos> no
[14:30] <Xpistos> tonight my daughter is in a singing competition here in town
[14:30] <Xpistos> but I will revisit this with you later.
[14:30] <Xpistos> just curious
[14:30] <cyberanger> ok (was gonna pull a blog off my desktop for a step by step)
[14:31] <Xpistos> first up is I have to redo my network setup
[14:31] <cyberanger> as for issues, usually I'm lax for checking on my own rigs
[14:31] <cyberanger> but usually google the packages
[14:32] <cyberanger> ones I know cause me more issues than most (firefox, chrome, flash, openoffice, top 4)
[14:32] <Xpistos> I have one Modem/wireless router that keeps messing up so I want to use it only as a modem and then use a different netgear wireless router for my other stuff but not sure how to disable to wireless router part of the modem
[14:33] <cyberanger> a combo, ouch
[14:33] <cyberanger> honestly, it might not be doable
[14:34] <Xpistos> I know it is, it is just access from outside is the potential problem
[14:34] <cyberanger> some have replaced it for just a regular modem, others move it on a rarely used subnet and gave the new router a static assignment, and shove it in a DMZ
[14:34] <Xpistos> telling the modem to port forward to the rouder
[14:35] <cyberanger> and generate the biggest wpa2 key possible, kinda aiming to make it worth hell
[14:35] <chibihogoshino> hmm.. this isnt beeping when someone says my name
[14:35] <cyberanger> DMZ being a step below port forwarding usually, but this case, dual firewall and all, yeah
[14:36] <cyberanger> with the strong wpa2 key making it true desperation if they get through
[14:36] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: shame, client?
[14:37] <chibihogoshino> xchat
[14:37] <cyberanger> Xpistos: locking down a network is simple, in your case, just a home lan
[14:38] <cyberanger> the automation of ubuntu, for a desktop, don't put her user in the sudo group (hence no root) and then between that and strong wifi and firewall
[14:39] <cyberanger> and maybe some cron'd bash scripts, should be reasonably hands off
[14:39] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: hrm
[14:39] <Xpistos> i don't know how to setup crons either. I have to do that in the next few weeks.
[14:40] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: open a terminal and launch alsamixer in it, put all max and check for mute
[14:41] <cyberanger> Xpistos: that's not too hard, It wasn't the simpliest thing for me to learn it's time syntax
[14:42] <Xpistos> right
[14:42] <cyberanger> and if your just wanting apt up to date, we're talking once a day when asleep (3am?)
[14:43] <cyberanger> maybe only every sunday, or just keeping apt's sources up to date, and downloading packages to be appled later, manually (to check for issues)
[14:43] <cyberanger> there's options, and I can guide you through that
[14:44] <cyberanger> the one thing that confused the daylights out of me, was actually simple, if you know, you allways want one full blank line at the end
[14:45] <cyberanger> or it will not launch your cron script (I presume it's a polite way to disable a script, or an old error checking method, never knew why they did that for sure)
[14:46] <cyberanger> Xpistos: are you wanting to handle your network first?
[14:47] <Xpistos> yes
[14:48] <Xpistos> the modem/router keeps loosing wireless connection so if I don't get that fixed first I am going to break something and my wife is going to hurt me
[14:48] <Xpistos> Plus I think I is cause problems with skype and that is a no no with recording the podcast
[14:50] <cyberanger> heh, if it's already at that point break IT, then tell her a power surge caused it to look like a brick smashed it, followed by a sledgehammer and a semi
[14:51] <cyberanger> not sure how a surge could look that bad, but I'll worry about that later ;-)
[14:51] <cyberanger> the added latency with skype should be minimal, but present
[14:52] <cyberanger> a line would be better, but maybe unrealistic
[14:52] <cyberanger> personally, I use skype as a last resort
[14:52] <cyberanger> and I mean last
[14:59] <cyberanger> but if it
[15:00] <cyberanger> s the tool you use, it needs to work
[15:00] <cyberanger> or be replaced with something that will, and wifi seems to cause a little issue in any choice
[15:20] <cyberanger> heading out, will bbl to chat
[16:35] <Xpistos> wrst
[16:36] <wrst> yes Xpistos1
[16:36] <wrst> err yes Xpistos!
[17:22] <cyberanger> back
[18:03] <orias> front
[18:17] <cyberanger> who was in here looking at 1tb 2.5 HDD's?
[18:33] <chibihogoshino> me
[18:34] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: ^^
[18:34] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: seems some 1.5 and 2TB showing up
[18:35] <chibihogoshino> yeah i saw those..
[18:35] <chibihogoshino> its crazy now
[18:35] <cyberanger> unfortunately not cheap (well, worse than 1TB, which still aren't real cheap)
[18:35] <chibihogoshino> i could have 4tb in here
[18:35] <chibihogoshino> 90 bucks for 1tb isnt bad tho
[18:35] <wrst> 90 bucks didn't used to get you a GB :)
[18:35] <chibihogoshino> 2.5 too
[18:36] <cyberanger> long overdue if you ask me, 3.5's have been out for too long, to still be waiting on 2.5
[18:36] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[18:36] <cyberanger> and for 1TB it's double, still off scale for the amount of market time
[18:36] <chibihogoshino> people i guess dont want that much on a laptop
[18:36] <wrst> Xpistos: alpah 3 of natty seems to be much much improved, broadcom wireless is totally screwed up but that's the biggest thing i have found so far
[18:37] <cyberanger> wrst: and you don't need linux for that, winblows will doo
[18:38] <wrst> linux for what?
[18:38] <wrst> cyberanger: ^
[18:39] <cyberanger> your broadcom issues
[18:39] <Xpistos> broadcome is the deal braker
[18:39] <wrst> well beleive it or not it "just works" with win 7
[18:40] <wrst> never had an issue with ubutnu just something with the new kernel i'm sure it will be fixed before final release
[18:40] <wrst> Xpistos: you can however use the firmware cutter and you will be find
[18:40] <wrst> *fine
[18:40] <wrst> just don't use jockey to install the broadcom driver
[18:47] <cyberanger> wrst: how's jockey failed you?
[18:47] <cyberanger> did you have a selection of drivers and pick the best one
[18:48] <wrst> jockey hasn't but the driver it installs has failed me and it doesn't give the option for the firmware cutter any moer yet the package exist all part of the alpha experience :)
[18:48] <cyberanger> lol
[19:01] <Xpistos> T-Mobile is going to be sorry they messed with the wrong person
[19:01] <wrst> Xpistos: having fun yet?
[19:01] <Xpistos> oh hell yeah
[19:02] <Xpistos> I just wrote a script that will post all the chat logs I have from t-mobile in their chat
[19:02] <Xpistos> FLOOD!
[19:02] <wrst> :)
[19:02] <Xpistos> end with " NOW GET ME A DAMN SUPERVISOR!"
[19:02] <Xpistos> I may have to change that
[19:02] <wrst> :)
[19:27] <cyberanger> may
[20:11] <Xpistos> wrst
[20:12] <Xpistos> having some trouble sending as x@ae from gmail any tips?
[20:12] <wrst> hmm it has always worked, what happens?
[20:13] <Xpistos> it says it is sending, but I don't recieve it and the webmail doesn't so it as sent from ae
[23:44] <wrst> chibihogoshino: i'm liking the way unity is startingto stackup
[23:44] <wrst> sorry chibihogoshino meant to send that to chris4585 :)
[23:44] <wrst> chris4585: i'm liking how unity is starting to stack up  :)
[23:49] <wrst> and the new ubuntu one logo is smashing!