| lostson | so is everyone keeping track of all the ubuntu controversy and if so what do you think ? | 00:48 |
|---|---|---|
| FireCrotch | lostson: well, I, for one, hate the chosen name for 11.10 | 00:49 |
| FireCrotch | Most of the controversy doesn't affect me too much, since I use KDE | 00:49 |
| h00k | yoyo. | 01:15 |
| h00k | I'm not sure what the attendence is going to be like tonight | 01:45 |
| h00k | ohey, welcome | 01:57 |
| twopoint718 | I saw your email. | 01:57 |
| twopoint718 | Yeah, I have been following the news, almost forgot. | 01:57 |
| h00k | Yeah, me too ^.^ | 01:57 |
| h00k | ubuntuWi-Guest: Greetings | 01:58 |
| h00k | douglasawh-work_, dwhitfie, exigraff, FireCrotch, greppy, jrolland-ubuntu, lostson, mikeputnam, ripps, ubuntuWi-Guest, ubuntulo1, watertonian, anyone else around for the meeting? | 01:59 |
| FireCrotch | h00k: I am here | 02:00 |
| h00k | FireCrotch, cool. | 02:00 |
| h00k | prey2god3: hello | 02:00 |
| h00k | ubuntuWi-Guest_:, hello | 02:02 |
| h00k | Guests, you can change your nickname by typing /nick newnamegoeshere | 02:02 |
| * exigraff raises hand | 02:02 | |
| prey2god3 | hey | 02:02 |
| h00k | So, I wanted to talk about Release Parties. Since the last meeting we had, people exclaimed they wanted some things going on around the state. | 02:04 |
| === ubuntuWi-Guest_ is now known as lemming465 | ||
| douglasawh-work_ | h00k: oh, I forgot | 02:04 |
| douglasawh-work_ | I'm at work | 02:04 |
| h00k | douglasawh-work_: no problem | 02:04 |
| h00k | :) Good to see you | 02:04 |
| h00k | Some may ask, "What is a release party? | 02:04 |
| h00k | " | 02:04 |
| lemming465 | WI film festival fans should buy a souvenir t-shirt; it features a narwhal | 02:05 |
| h00k | lemming465: that's actually pretty awesome | 02:05 |
| prey2god3 | I would have | 02:05 |
| lemming465 | the timing is certainly right | 02:05 |
| lemming465 | Is 11.04 a good release to widely push? There is a lot of half-baked stuff going in, I think. | 02:06 |
| h00k | Release Parties are whatever you make of it. We had one in Superior, which had a lot of fun turnout, Madison invited me down for one, | 02:06 |
| h00k | Usually a social gettogether, some people bring their hardware to show off, meet new people, etc | 02:07 |
| FireCrotch | lemming465: it's still in Alpha right now. Of course stuff is "half-baked" at this time | 02:07 |
| lemming465 | how many of us are running the alpha? I have it on two laptops | 02:07 |
| h00k | I am | 02:07 |
| h00k | two laptops, one netbook | 02:07 |
| FireCrotch | I haven't touched it yet | 02:07 |
| h00k | So, I am going to have one in Rhinelander sometime next month, I don't have a date hashed out yet. | 02:08 |
| h00k | Anyone else have any plans? | 02:08 |
| lemming465 | I've seen some visual artifacts, and the menu's are a little weird. being at alpha3 is better than half-way between. | 02:08 |
| h00k | For instance, here was my article for Karmic Koala Release party plans: http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/10/20/ubuntu-karmic-koala-release-party/ | 02:09 |
| h00k | and the aftermath: http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/11/08/release-party-success/ | 02:09 |
| h00k | Is anyone else interested with one in their area? | 02:13 |
| h00k | For geographic reference: http://goo.gl/MZDRU | 02:13 |
| h00k | Did I scare everyone away? | 02:18 |
| exigraff | watching wiunion stuffs in several hundred windows, sorry about that | 02:19 |
| h00k | I figured. | 02:19 |
| h00k | We can reconvine next week | 02:19 |
| exigraff | might be better... | 02:19 |
| h00k | If anyone has anything else, let me know, mailing list, my email, etc | 02:19 |
| h00k | I am usually pretty reachable | 02:20 |
| h00k | yotux: I was just deciding to reconvine next week :-) | 02:20 |
| lemming465 | see you all next week | 02:20 |
| yotux | Sorry had to put my children to bed | 02:20 |
| h00k | It's okay, no problem, don't be sorry | 02:20 |
| prey2god3 | I'm here, but this is my first time so i'm just trying to get an idea what this is | 02:21 |
| yotux | hook: I will not be here if we meet next week | 02:21 |
| h00k | prey2god3: well, welcome | 02:21 |
| yotux | I'll be in Milwaukee for Sulcom com events | 02:21 |
| h00k | yotux: alright - If you have anything regarding release parties or ideas, feel free to email me or share it with the mailing list | 02:21 |
| yotux | okay will do that, I am running Natty at present looks diff | 02:22 |
| h00k | prey2god3: we don't have meetings terribly often, but people expressed interest in doing more things with more people | 02:22 |
| h00k | prey2god3: whereabouts in the state are you? | 02:23 |
| prey2god3 | 15 mins from the Dells - briggsville,wi | 02:23 |
| h00k | prey2god3: ah, cool. Welcome. How did you hear about us? | 02:23 |
| prey2god3 | google searching "ubuntu wisconsin" | 02:24 |
| h00k | prey2god3: cool, I'm glad it was easy to find, anyway. | 02:25 |
| prey2god3 | i'm not really looking to meet anybody and be social, I like ubuntu, i like open source - I'm looking to contribute somehow and am looking for support to get better at using it | 02:25 |
| yotux | prey2god3: I live in Portage just so you know | 02:25 |
| h00k | prey2god3: respectable, cool. | 02:26 |
| h00k | prey2god3: What kinds of things are you looking for as far as contribution? Do you code? Write? Design? | 02:26 |
| h00k | there are a ton of ways to contribute | 02:27 |
| twopoint718 | I know MadLUG has discussed having a release party in Madison. We will probably talk about it on the mailing list. | 02:28 |
| h00k | twopoint718: Cool, I did see that | 02:28 |
| prey2god3 | I don't code besides doing small edits, i can make websites in joomla, i am knowledgeable with computers | 02:30 |
| prey2god3 | much more comfortable using windows though | 02:31 |
| twopoint718 | prey2god3: that can change... :) | 02:32 |
| dwhitfie | just got home. twopoint718 is right about the release party in Madison...how that will end up looking is anyone's guess | 02:32 |
| prey2god3 | The thing that finally got me to stick to ubuntu was i figured out i could have a seperate partition for my media so i iddnt loose my shit evertime i had to reinstall after f*cking something up | 02:32 |
| twopoint718 | I've found partitions to be more "lightweight" in linux. You can mount something that's on a separate disk and not have to really think about it. | 02:34 |
| dwhitfie | ok, not to get us off track, but I don't see how Windows is any worse about mounting stuff and partitions...only it doesn't see it's own partition tables as often as Linux does...that's a different issue though | 02:35 |
| prey2god3 | huh... im talking about during the install with 3 partitions- root, swap, and media | 02:36 |
| prey2god3 | so i screw something up, i reinstall and dont format media | 02:36 |
| twopoint718 | that's the idea :) | 02:37 |
| dwhitfie | prey2god3: right those are called C: D: E: drives in Windows | 02:37 |
| dwhitfie | we do it on every Windows machine we deploy at work...well, the desktops | 02:37 |
| dwhitfie | just saying | 02:37 |
| h00k | except mounting a seprate /home is easier with fstab | 02:37 |
| h00k | if you want to throw that on a separate drive | 02:38 |
| h00k | er | 02:38 |
| twopoint718 | ...or on a NFS/AFS network filesystem | 02:38 |
| dwhitfie | prey2god3: talking about contributions, there are code sprints and such. Did h00k mention those at all? | 02:38 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: negative | 02:38 |
| twopoint718 | Just out of my own curiosity (ignorance) what's the biggest category of help that's needed? | 02:40 |
| h00k | that's a very good question | 02:40 |
| dwhitfie | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | 02:40 |
| dwhitfie | that's just to get people started, not an answer to a specific question | 02:40 |
| dwhitfie | twopoint718: I would assume that depends on who you ask. :) | 02:40 |
| twopoint718 | dwhitfie: oh, I figure. I was just wondering what the general shape of the need is out there. | 02:42 |
| h00k | I don't know if if I linked this, I'm quite distracted: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved | 02:42 |
| dwhitfie | right now I think it's up in the air with the "half-baked ideas" | 02:42 |
| dwhitfie | I'd imagine for the 11.04 release just test, test, test with Unity is the most important thing | 02:43 |
| h00k | That's what I'm doing | 02:43 |
| dwhitfie | my natty machine died...like, it won't turn on. Not sure why but I think it has something to do with me screwing with the heat sink | 02:44 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: is it going through POST? | 02:44 |
| dwhitfie | h00k: it's not doing anything | 02:45 |
| h00k | prey2god3: if you do end up getting involved in any projects, let us know ;) and we can try to assist somehow | 02:45 |
| prey2god3 | ill do that | 02:46 |
| h00k | prey2god3: can I assume you're on the mailing list? | 02:46 |
| prey2god3 | yes | 02:46 |
| h00k | prey2god3: we have a Facebook group, Identi.ca group, IRC channel, | 02:46 |
| h00k | Status.net instance (http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/status | 02:46 |
| h00k | ) | 02:46 |
| dwhitfie | h00k: he's in the IRC channel, silly | 02:47 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: NO YOU ARE | 02:47 |
| dwhitfie | that is also true | 02:47 |
| twopoint718 | lol | 02:47 |
| prey2god3 | yeah, and its my first time since like high school... | 02:47 |
| dwhitfie | h00k: so, what's the plan for the release party...tabled? | 02:48 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: yeah, until we can get some more people next week | 02:49 |
| dwhitfie | cool | 02:50 |
| h00k | it...uh...seems to be a distracting night. | 02:50 |
| dwhitfie | is there capital footage somewhere? | 02:50 |
| h00k | http://www.livestream.com/theuptake | 02:50 |
| dwhitfie | I'm too sick to be down there at 34F | 02:50 |
| h00k | is what I'm currently listening to | 02:50 |
| h00k | they're panning between different feeds | 02:50 |
| dwhitfie | ugh... I forgot to upload the video from the MadLUG presentation | 02:52 |
| twopoint718 | wiseye.org is the like Wisconsin C-SPAN | 02:56 |
| h00k | Regardless of what side anyone is on, this is history. | 03:00 |
| prey2god3 | whats history besides a pack of lies...? | 03:04 |
| h00k | heh | 03:04 |
| * mikeputnam joins later | 03:09 | |
| mikeputnam | *late | 03:09 |
| h00k | mikeputnam: ohi! | 03:09 |
| h00k | mikeputnam: you didn't miss much, we're going to have it next week | 03:09 |
| mikeputnam | mkay | 03:10 |
| h00k | mikeputnam: it's...er...distracting in Wisconsin | 03:12 |
| h00k | :) | 03:13 |
| mikeputnam | yeah | 03:14 |
| mikeputnam | going to be a crazy situation in wisco for a while | 03:16 |
| twopoint718 | mikeputnam: yeah, I think so. | 03:17 |
| h00k | yep. | 03:17 |
| mikeputnam | i assume there will be some strikeage in the near future | 03:18 |
| h00k | It appears that way. | 03:18 |
| mikeputnam | and some more hammering of state workers as the gridlock starts | 03:19 |
| h00k | which may or may not include a family member who may or may not be a County worker that is a Corrections Officer | 03:19 |
| h00k | If the strikes happen, I mean. | 03:20 |
| mikeputnam | yeah | 03:20 |
| mikeputnam | bad economy further muddies things | 03:20 |
| mikeputnam | weakens the position of the unions | 03:20 |
| mikeputnam | at some point, feeding your family/keeping your home is more important than even political stances | 03:21 |
| mikeputnam | </opinion> | 03:23 |
| twopoint718 | Politics reminds me of a Nomic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic | 03:25 |
| twopoint718 | where even changing the rules of the game is a valid move in the game | 03:25 |
| h00k | :) | 03:26 |
| lostson | update-manager -d lets see what happens | 13:56 |
| h00k | lostson: good luck :) | 14:43 |
| lostson | its still running | 15:15 |
| lostson | hopefully i can get nvidia working | 15:16 |
| h00k | lostson: nvidia is working alright here, occasionally minecraft hoses it up for some reason | 15:20 |
| h00k | java/ ? | 15:20 |
| dwhitfie | my resolution is messed up on my external monitor. I think I have an ATI card | 15:27 |
| dwhitfie | yep 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M64-S [Mobility Radeon X2300] | 15:27 |
| dwhitfie | wtf Firefox will not connect to anything | 15:37 |
| h00k | Unity is behaving quote well on 2 monitors with me | 16:00 |
| h00k | quite, rather | 16:05 |
| uberushaximus | There's riot gear in the capitol | 16:09 |
| uberushaximus | http://t.co/JbLaUFv | 16:10 |
| h00k | I saw that on Twitter... | 16:10 |
| h00k | Luckily they haven't had to use it yet | 16:10 |
| uberushaximus | closing the building after yesterday is pretty insane | 16:13 |
| lostson | well upgrade finished time to restart oh boy | 16:19 |
| h00k | godspeed | 16:21 |
| h00k | he said, 2 minutes late. | 16:21 |
| lostson | i thought this big bar on the right you could hide it | 16:33 |
| dwhitfie | on natty? | 16:33 |
| lostson | yeah | 16:33 |
| dwhitfie | when I had natty, I never got the bar...which I thought was odd | 16:34 |
| dwhitfie | I should just pop that drive in another computer | 16:34 |
| dwhitfie | I bet this other machine doesn't take SATA drives though | 16:35 |
| lostson | Alt+F2 does not give a run dialog that is not good | 16:40 |
| lostson | ahh so its a buried setting | 16:43 |
| lostson | so you can make it autohide | 16:45 |
| lostson | alt+f2 is gone though | 16:46 |
| lostson | just no easy way to lauch an application at all | 16:46 |
| dwhitfie | any suggestions on what I could use as a fake phillips screw driver? | 17:25 |
| dwhitfie | as anticipated, not SATA :( | 17:29 |
| intok | http://citizenactionwi.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&Itemid=144 | 17:31 |
| dwhitfie | thanks for that intok! | 17:49 |
| dwhitfie | does anyone know how the VA in Madison works? I've heard they are state employees, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me | 17:50 |
| intok | Want to see what Hartmann has to sy about it | 17:51 |
| intok | since the milwaukee channels are so heavily biased toward Walker | 17:52 |
| dwhitfie | http://www2.medicine.wisc.edu/home/people-search/people/staff/176/BRIDGES_ALAN_J/ | 17:56 |
| dwhitfie | I've found four links to UW physicians that work at the VA, but don't know who pays them | 17:56 |
| intok | radio show is starting soon, theres a web feed http://www.thomhartmann.com/ | 18:00 |
| h00k | I'm learning a lot from this read: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654 | 18:11 |
| h00k | regarding Unity and Gnome | 18:14 |
| h00k | and rejected APIs and stuffs | 18:14 |
| dwhitfie | I bet Scott Walker uses Windows! | 18:15 |
| * h00k facepalms | 18:15 | |
| dwhitfie | I couldn't resist after h00k's clarification | 18:15 |
| dwhitfie | it would have been pretty hilarious if you were learning a lot about Wisconsin from Shuttleworth's site | 18:15 |
| h00k | I could probably somehow draw up some drawn-out concurrency/analogy | 18:16 |
| dwhitfie | oh, talk to @fabsh and I bet he can help you with that | 18:17 |
| h00k | "I bet Scott Walker uses Windows!" was pretty hilarious | 18:17 |
| * h00k saves that line | 18:17 | |
| dwhitfie | :) | 18:20 |
| intok | dwhitfie for the lol http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2009/07/how-did-bill-gates-become-welfare-queen-copyrights-patents-trademarks | 18:21 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: so, are you guys talking about a pizza/something for Natty's release? | 18:22 |
| h00k | down in Madison? | 18:23 |
| dwhitfie | we aren't talking yet | 18:23 |
| dwhitfie | but I suppose we should be | 18:23 |
| h00k | on bad terms, 'eh? | 18:23 |
| h00k | we're not talking anymore!?! | 18:23 |
| h00k | heh | 18:23 |
| dwhitfie | I didn't say anymore | 18:23 |
| h00k | </lame joke> | 18:23 |
| h00k | I know, it was dumb, pretend this isn't logged. | 18:23 |
| h00k | anyway. | 18:23 |
| dwhitfie | haha | 18:23 |
| h00k | I'm going to talk with jtravenick about potentially using a hotel lobby/conference room for a get-together | 18:24 |
| dwhitfie | I've got a ton of personal stuff I need to get done but hopefully I can spend some time on that today since I'm at home trying to recover from crud in my chest | 18:25 |
| h00k | no rush | 18:25 |
| dwhitfie | so, let me get on that and then I will try to get something started on the steering committee list | 18:25 |
| dwhitfie | or...you could send something out if you wanted | 18:25 |
| h00k | yeah, I was thinking about it, but I feel bad because I'm not physically down there, but I'll throw something in today | 18:25 |
| twopoint718 | dwhitfie: do you need anything from me on this? | 18:31 |
| dwhitfie | at the moment we just need to discuss. Last year we did the pizza in May. ITT has never had a problem with food before, so I don't think it will be a problem. We had talked to Jason about doing May | 18:32 |
| dwhitfie | but I don't think he'd mind doing it later | 18:33 |
| dwhitfie | of course, it could happen at Sundance | 18:33 |
| dwhitfie | very irritating that this still isn't fixed in Maverick: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1126269.html | 18:43 |
| twopoint718 | Between being a cheap-skate on computer hardware and not investigating, I don't think I've ever had 3d support in linux | 18:44 |
| dwhitfie | twopoint718: the problem is not 3D support | 18:46 |
| dwhitfie | the problem is widescreen monitors dont work | 18:46 |
| dwhitfie | it looks like it is fixed in Natty, but I have no metacity bar...and also no unity | 18:47 |
| twopoint718 | I guess I only read the first few items. | 18:47 |
| dwhitfie | I dont understand why I dont have unity | 18:47 |
| dwhitfie | two different machines...same model, to be clear | 18:47 |
| dwhitfie | time for a reboot to see if I just fixed it | 19:00 |
| dwhitfie | I wonder how long it will be until we move to T400s at work...and I wonder if they have similar issues | 19:06 |
| dwhitfie | they also have ATI cards | 19:06 |
| dwhitfie | Im guessing it will be at least a yeaer | 19:07 |
| dwhitfie | when the next LTS is rolled out | 19:07 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: you may want to try removing .gnome2, .gconf, .gconfd from your ~, I've had that fix some odd issues with Unity | 19:16 |
| h00k | dwhitfie: note, .gnome2, .gconf, .gconfd may hold some settings for things, they will be reset | 19:16 |
| h00k | I've blasted .config also, but it reset some settings like Chromium stuffs, but I was able to live | 19:18 |
| dwhitfie | h00k: I wonder if I uninstalled it at some point and just didn\t remember it. I just apt-get install unity and it installed a bunch of stuff | 19:19 |
| dwhitfie | maybe it needed to be updated. we shall see | 19:19 |
| h00k | lostson mentioned no alt+f2 unity, unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 just hit repos with this fix LP: #580295 | 19:21 |
| h00k | And by hit repos, I mean was accepted. | 19:25 |
| dwhitfie | h00k: the F2 issue did not appear to just be in unity, as I had the problem, but that\s besides the point | 19:27 |
| h00k | gotcha | 19:28 |
| h00k | I wonder how many aliases douglasawh has | 19:38 |
| douglasawh | ugh. Chromium has the gnome theme bar | 19:39 |
| douglasawh | h00k: well, there's a different one for each computer....more-or-less...but 3, I assume | 19:39 |
| h00k | douglasawh: you mean the top theme? You can check/uncheck "use system title bar and borders" by right clicking on the tab bar | 19:41 |
| douglasawh | must have reset with an update | 19:42 |
| h00k | It is now version 10.0.648.127 (76697) Ubuntu 11.04 | 19:43 |
| douglasawh | that's what I've got | 19:45 |
| h00k | lostson just quit linux :( | 20:09 |
| douglasawh | because of ALT+f2? | 20:12 |
| douglasawh | he knows he can run GNOMEdo, right? | 20:12 |
| h00k | No, I sent him an identica notice about the fix, he just said he's not going to bother, just threw win7 on his laptop, after 10+ years of linux he had enough" :( | 20:14 |
| mikeputnam | lame | 20:14 |
| h00k | I'm hoping it was something in frustration and not permanent | 20:14 |
| h00k | I said I still hope to see him around, he's welcome in the community | 20:14 |
| h00k | https://twitter.com/#!/LostSon/status/45939603701641216 | 20:15 |
| douglasawh | it's an alpha still, right? | 20:21 |
| h00k | yep | 20:24 |
| h00k | He said he may go back to xubuntu today :D | 20:24 |
| douglasawh | haha | 20:34 |
| douglasawh | there's going to be a lot of that, I think | 20:34 |
| h00k | Probably | 20:38 |
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