[00:48] <lostson> so is everyone keeping track of all the ubuntu controversy and if so what do you think ?
[00:49] <FireCrotch> lostson: well, I, for one, hate the chosen name for 11.10
[00:49] <FireCrotch> Most of the controversy doesn't affect me too much, since I use KDE
[01:15] <h00k> yoyo.
[01:45] <h00k> I'm not sure what the attendence is going to be like tonight
[01:57] <h00k> ohey, welcome
[01:57] <twopoint718> I saw your email.
[01:57] <twopoint718> Yeah, I have been following the news, almost forgot.
[01:57] <h00k> Yeah, me too ^.^
[01:58] <h00k> ubuntuWi-Guest: Greetings
[01:59] <h00k> douglasawh-work_, dwhitfie, exigraff, FireCrotch, greppy, jrolland-ubuntu, lostson, mikeputnam, ripps, ubuntuWi-Guest, ubuntulo1, watertonian, anyone else around for the meeting?
[02:00] <FireCrotch> h00k: I am here
[02:00] <h00k> FireCrotch, cool.
[02:00] <h00k> prey2god3: hello
[02:02] <h00k> ubuntuWi-Guest_:, hello
[02:02] <h00k> Guests, you can change your nickname by typing /nick newnamegoeshere
[02:02]  * exigraff raises hand
[02:02] <prey2god3> hey
[02:04] <h00k> So, I wanted to talk about Release Parties. Since the last meeting we had, people exclaimed they wanted some things going on around the state.
[02:04] <douglasawh-work_> h00k: oh, I forgot
[02:04] <douglasawh-work_> I'm at work
[02:04] <h00k> douglasawh-work_: no problem
[02:04] <h00k> :) Good to see you
[02:04] <h00k> Some may ask, "What is a release party?
[02:04] <h00k> "
[02:05] <lemming465> WI film festival fans should buy a souvenir t-shirt; it features a narwhal
[02:05] <h00k> lemming465: that's actually pretty awesome
[02:05] <prey2god3> I would have
[02:05] <lemming465> the timing is certainly right
[02:06] <lemming465> Is 11.04 a good release to widely push?  There is a lot of half-baked stuff going in, I think.
[02:06] <h00k> Release Parties are whatever you make of it.  We had one in Superior, which had a lot of fun turnout, Madison invited me down for one,
[02:07] <h00k> Usually a social gettogether, some people bring their hardware to show off, meet new people, etc
[02:07] <FireCrotch> lemming465: it's still in Alpha right now. Of course stuff is "half-baked" at this time
[02:07] <lemming465> how many of us are running the alpha?  I have it on two laptops
[02:07] <h00k> I am
[02:07] <h00k> two laptops, one netbook
[02:07] <FireCrotch> I haven't touched it yet
[02:08] <h00k> So, I am going to have one in Rhinelander sometime next month, I don't have a date hashed out yet.
[02:08] <h00k> Anyone else have any plans?
[02:08] <lemming465> I've seen some visual artifacts, and the menu's are a little weird.  being at alpha3 is better than half-way between.
[02:09] <h00k> For instance, here was my article for Karmic Koala Release party plans: http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/10/20/ubuntu-karmic-koala-release-party/
[02:09] <h00k> and the aftermath: http://anthonyrhook.com/blog/2009/11/08/release-party-success/
[02:13] <h00k> Is anyone else interested with one in their area?
[02:13] <h00k> For geographic reference: http://goo.gl/MZDRU
[02:18] <h00k> Did I scare everyone away?
[02:19] <exigraff> watching wiunion stuffs in several hundred windows, sorry about that
[02:19] <h00k> I figured.
[02:19] <h00k> We can reconvine next week
[02:19] <exigraff> might be better...
[02:19] <h00k> If anyone has anything else, let me know, mailing list, my email, etc
[02:20] <h00k> I am usually pretty reachable
[02:20] <h00k> yotux: I was just deciding to reconvine next week :-)
[02:20] <lemming465> see you all next week
[02:20] <yotux> Sorry had to put my children to bed
[02:20] <h00k> It's okay, no problem, don't be sorry
[02:21] <prey2god3> I'm here, but this is my first time so i'm just trying to get an idea what this is
[02:21] <yotux> hook:  I will not be here if we meet next week
[02:21] <h00k> prey2god3: well, welcome
[02:21] <yotux> I'll be in Milwaukee for Sulcom com events
[02:21] <h00k> yotux: alright - If you have anything regarding release parties or ideas, feel free to email me or share it with the mailing list
[02:22] <yotux> okay will do that,  I am running Natty at present looks diff
[02:22] <h00k> prey2god3: we don't have meetings terribly often, but people expressed interest in doing more things with more people
[02:23] <h00k> prey2god3: whereabouts in the state are you?
[02:23] <prey2god3> 15 mins from the Dells - briggsville,wi
[02:23] <h00k> prey2god3: ah, cool. Welcome. How did you hear about us?
[02:24] <prey2god3> google searching "ubuntu wisconsin"
[02:25] <h00k> prey2god3: cool, I'm glad it was easy to find, anyway.
[02:25] <prey2god3> i'm not really looking to meet anybody and be social, I like ubuntu, i like open source - I'm looking to contribute somehow and am looking for support to get better at using it
[02:25] <yotux> prey2god3:  I live in Portage just so you know
[02:26] <h00k> prey2god3: respectable, cool.
[02:26] <h00k> prey2god3: What kinds of things are you looking for as far as contribution? Do you code? Write? Design?
[02:27] <h00k> there are a ton of ways to contribute
[02:28] <twopoint718> I know MadLUG has discussed having a release party in Madison.  We will probably talk about it on the mailing list.
[02:28] <h00k> twopoint718: Cool, I did see that
[02:30] <prey2god3> I don't code besides doing small edits, i can make websites in joomla, i am knowledgeable with computers
[02:31] <prey2god3> much more comfortable using windows though
[02:32] <twopoint718> prey2god3: that can change... :)
[02:32] <dwhitfie> just got home. twopoint718 is right about the release party in Madison...how that will end up looking is anyone's guess
[02:32] <prey2god3> The thing that finally got me to stick to ubuntu was i figured out i could have a seperate partition for my media so i iddnt loose my shit evertime i had to reinstall after f*cking something up
[02:34] <twopoint718> I've found partitions to be more "lightweight" in linux.  You can mount something that's on a separate disk and not have to really think about it.
[02:35] <dwhitfie> ok, not to get us off track, but I don't see how Windows is any worse about mounting stuff and partitions...only it doesn't see it's own partition tables as often as Linux does...that's a different issue though
[02:36] <prey2god3> huh... im talking about during the install with 3 partitions- root, swap, and media
[02:36] <prey2god3> so i screw something up, i reinstall and dont format media
[02:37] <twopoint718> that's the idea :)
[02:37] <dwhitfie> prey2god3: right those are called C: D: E: drives in Windows
[02:37] <dwhitfie> we do it on every Windows machine we deploy at work...well, the desktops
[02:37] <dwhitfie> just saying
[02:37] <h00k> except mounting a seprate /home is easier with fstab
[02:38] <h00k> if you want to throw that on a separate drive
[02:38] <h00k> er
[02:38] <twopoint718> ...or on a NFS/AFS network filesystem
[02:38] <dwhitfie> prey2god3: talking about contributions, there are code sprints and such.  Did h00k mention those at all?
[02:38] <h00k> dwhitfie: negative
[02:40] <twopoint718> Just out of my own curiosity (ignorance) what's the biggest category of help that's needed?
[02:40] <h00k> that's a very good question
[02:40] <dwhitfie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[02:40] <dwhitfie> that's just to get people started, not an answer to a specific question
[02:40] <dwhitfie> twopoint718: I would assume that depends on who you ask. :)
[02:42] <twopoint718> dwhitfie: oh, I figure.  I was just wondering what the general shape of the need is out there.
[02:42] <h00k> I don't know if if I linked this, I'm quite distracted: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved
[02:42] <dwhitfie> right now I think it's up in the air with the "half-baked ideas"
[02:43] <dwhitfie> I'd imagine for the 11.04 release just test, test, test with Unity is the most important thing
[02:43] <h00k> That's what I'm doing
[02:44] <dwhitfie> my natty machine died...like, it won't turn on.  Not sure why but I think it has something to do with me screwing with the heat sink
[02:44] <h00k> dwhitfie: is it going through POST?
[02:45] <dwhitfie> h00k: it's not doing anything
[02:45] <h00k> prey2god3: if you do end up getting involved in any projects, let us know ;) and we can try to assist somehow
[02:46] <prey2god3> ill do that
[02:46] <h00k> prey2god3: can I assume you're on the mailing list?
[02:46] <prey2god3> yes
[02:46] <h00k> prey2god3: we have a Facebook group, Identi.ca group, IRC channel,
[02:46] <h00k> Status.net instance (http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org/status
[02:46] <h00k> )
[02:47] <dwhitfie> h00k: he's in the IRC channel, silly
[02:47] <h00k> dwhitfie: NO YOU ARE
[02:47] <dwhitfie> that is also true
[02:47] <twopoint718> lol
[02:47] <prey2god3> yeah, and its my first time since like high school...
[02:48] <dwhitfie> h00k: so, what's the plan for the release party...tabled?
[02:49] <h00k> dwhitfie: yeah, until we can get some more people next week
[02:50] <dwhitfie> cool
[02:50] <h00k> it...uh...seems to be a distracting night.
[02:50] <dwhitfie> is there capital footage somewhere?
[02:50] <h00k> http://www.livestream.com/theuptake
[02:50] <dwhitfie> I'm too sick to be down there at 34F
[02:50] <h00k> is what I'm currently listening to
[02:50] <h00k> they're panning between different feeds
[02:52] <dwhitfie> ugh... I forgot to upload the video from the MadLUG presentation
[02:56] <twopoint718> wiseye.org is the like Wisconsin C-SPAN
[03:00] <h00k> Regardless of what side anyone is on, this is history.
[03:04] <prey2god3> whats history besides a pack of lies...?
[03:04] <h00k> heh
[03:09]  * mikeputnam joins later
[03:09] <mikeputnam> *late
[03:09] <h00k> mikeputnam: ohi!
[03:09] <h00k> mikeputnam: you didn't miss much, we're going to have it next week
[03:10] <mikeputnam> mkay
[03:12] <h00k> mikeputnam: it's...er...distracting in Wisconsin
[03:13] <h00k> :)
[03:14] <mikeputnam> yeah
[03:16] <mikeputnam> going to be a crazy situation in wisco for a while
[03:17] <twopoint718> mikeputnam: yeah, I think so.
[03:17] <h00k> yep.
[03:18] <mikeputnam> i assume there will be some strikeage in the near future
[03:18] <h00k> It appears that way.
[03:19] <mikeputnam> and some more hammering of state workers as the gridlock starts
[03:19] <h00k> which may or may not include a family member who may or may not be a County worker that is a Corrections Officer
[03:20] <h00k> If the strikes happen, I mean.
[03:20] <mikeputnam> yeah
[03:20] <mikeputnam> bad economy further muddies things
[03:20] <mikeputnam> weakens the position of the unions
[03:21] <mikeputnam> at some point, feeding your family/keeping your home is more important than even political stances
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[03:25] <twopoint718> Politics reminds me of a Nomic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
[03:25] <twopoint718> where even changing the rules of the game is a valid move in the game
[03:26] <h00k> :)
[13:56] <lostson> update-manager -d lets see what happens
[14:43] <h00k> lostson: good luck :)
[15:15] <lostson> its still running
[15:16] <lostson> hopefully i can get nvidia working
[15:20] <h00k> lostson: nvidia is working alright here, occasionally minecraft hoses it up for some reason
[15:20] <h00k> java/ ?
[15:27] <dwhitfie> my resolution is messed up on my external monitor. I think I have an ATI card
[15:27] <dwhitfie> yep 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M64-S [Mobility Radeon X2300]
[15:37] <dwhitfie> wtf Firefox will not connect to anything
[16:00] <h00k> Unity is behaving quote well on 2 monitors with me
[16:05] <h00k> quite, rather
[16:09] <uberushaximus> There's riot gear in the capitol
[16:10] <uberushaximus> http://t.co/JbLaUFv
[16:10] <h00k> I saw that on Twitter...
[16:10] <h00k> Luckily they haven't had to use it yet
[16:13] <uberushaximus> closing the building after yesterday is pretty insane
[16:19] <lostson> well upgrade finished time to restart oh boy
[16:21] <h00k> godspeed
[16:21] <h00k> he said, 2 minutes late.
[16:33] <lostson> i thought this big bar on the right you could hide it
[16:33] <dwhitfie> on natty?
[16:33] <lostson> yeah
[16:34] <dwhitfie> when I had natty, I never got the bar...which I thought was odd
[16:34] <dwhitfie> I should just pop that drive in another computer
[16:35] <dwhitfie> I bet this other machine doesn't take SATA drives though
[16:40] <lostson> Alt+F2 does not give a run dialog that is not good
[16:43] <lostson> ahh so its a buried setting
[16:45] <lostson> so you can make it autohide
[16:46] <lostson> alt+f2 is gone though
[16:46] <lostson> just no easy way to lauch an application at all
[17:25] <dwhitfie> any suggestions on what I could use as a fake phillips screw driver?
[17:29] <dwhitfie> as anticipated, not SATA :(
[17:31] <intok> http://citizenactionwi.org/index.php?option=com_myblog&Itemid=144
[17:49] <dwhitfie> thanks for that intok!
[17:50] <dwhitfie> does anyone know how the VA in Madison works? I've heard they are state employees, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me
[17:51] <intok> Want to see what Hartmann has to sy about it
[17:52] <intok> since the milwaukee channels are so heavily biased toward Walker
[17:56] <dwhitfie> http://www2.medicine.wisc.edu/home/people-search/people/staff/176/BRIDGES_ALAN_J/
[17:56] <dwhitfie> I've found four links to UW physicians that work at the VA, but don't know who pays them
[18:00] <intok> radio show is starting soon, theres a web feed http://www.thomhartmann.com/
[18:11] <h00k> I'm learning a lot from this read: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654
[18:14] <h00k> regarding Unity and Gnome
[18:14] <h00k> and rejected APIs and stuffs
[18:15] <dwhitfie> I bet Scott Walker uses Windows!
[18:15]  * h00k facepalms
[18:15] <dwhitfie> I couldn't resist after h00k's clarification
[18:15] <dwhitfie> it would have been pretty hilarious if you were learning a lot about Wisconsin from Shuttleworth's site
[18:16] <h00k> I could probably somehow draw up some drawn-out concurrency/analogy
[18:17] <dwhitfie> oh, talk to @fabsh and I bet he can help you with that
[18:17] <h00k> "I bet Scott Walker uses Windows!" was pretty hilarious
[18:17]  * h00k saves that line
[18:20] <dwhitfie> :)
[18:21] <intok> dwhitfie for the lol http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2009/07/how-did-bill-gates-become-welfare-queen-copyrights-patents-trademarks
[18:22] <h00k> dwhitfie: so, are you guys talking about a pizza/something for Natty's release?
[18:23] <h00k> down in Madison?
[18:23] <dwhitfie> we aren't talking yet
[18:23] <dwhitfie> but I suppose we should be
[18:23] <h00k> on bad terms, 'eh?
[18:23] <h00k> we're not talking anymore!?!
[18:23] <h00k> heh
[18:23] <dwhitfie> I didn't say anymore
[18:23] <h00k> </lame joke>
[18:23] <h00k> I know, it was dumb, pretend this isn't logged.
[18:23] <h00k> anyway.
[18:23] <dwhitfie> haha
[18:24] <h00k> I'm going to talk with jtravenick about potentially using a hotel lobby/conference room for a get-together
[18:25] <dwhitfie> I've got a ton of personal stuff I need to get done but hopefully I can spend some time on that today since I'm at home trying to recover from crud in my chest
[18:25] <h00k> no rush
[18:25] <dwhitfie> so, let me get on that and then I will try to get something started on the steering committee list
[18:25] <dwhitfie> or...you could send something out if you wanted
[18:25] <h00k> yeah, I was thinking about it, but I feel bad because I'm not physically down there, but I'll throw something in today
[18:31] <twopoint718> dwhitfie: do you need anything from me on this?
[18:32] <dwhitfie> at the moment we just need to discuss.  Last year we did the pizza in May.  ITT has never had a problem with food before, so I don't think it will be a problem.  We had talked to Jason about doing May
[18:33] <dwhitfie> but I don't think he'd mind doing it later
[18:33] <dwhitfie> of course, it could happen at Sundance
[18:43] <dwhitfie> very irritating that this still isn't fixed in Maverick: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1126269.html
[18:44] <twopoint718> Between being a cheap-skate on computer hardware and not investigating, I don't think I've ever had 3d support in linux
[18:46] <dwhitfie> twopoint718: the problem is not 3D support
[18:46] <dwhitfie> the problem is widescreen monitors dont work
[18:47] <dwhitfie> it looks like it is fixed in Natty, but I have no metacity bar...and also no unity
[18:47] <twopoint718> I guess I only read the first few items.
[18:47] <dwhitfie> I dont understand why I dont have unity
[18:47] <dwhitfie> two different machines...same model, to be clear
[19:00] <dwhitfie> time for a reboot to see if I just fixed it
[19:06] <dwhitfie> I wonder how long it will be until we move to T400s at work...and I wonder if they have similar issues
[19:06] <dwhitfie> they also have ATI cards
[19:07] <dwhitfie> Im guessing it will be at least a yeaer
[19:07] <dwhitfie> when the next LTS is rolled out
[19:16] <h00k> dwhitfie: you may want to try removing .gnome2, .gconf, .gconfd from your ~, I've had that fix some odd issues with Unity
[19:16] <h00k> dwhitfie: note, .gnome2, .gconf, .gconfd may hold some settings for things, they will be reset
[19:18] <h00k> I've blasted .config also, but it reset some settings like Chromium stuffs, but I was able to live
[19:19] <dwhitfie> h00k: I wonder if I uninstalled it at some point and just didn\t remember it.  I just apt-get install unity and it installed a bunch of stuff
[19:19] <dwhitfie> maybe it needed to be updated.  we shall see
[19:21] <h00k> lostson mentioned no alt+f2 unity, unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 just hit repos with this fix LP: #580295
[19:25] <h00k> And by hit repos, I mean was accepted.
[19:27] <dwhitfie> h00k: the F2 issue did not appear to just be in unity, as I had the problem, but that\s besides the point
[19:28] <h00k> gotcha
[19:38] <h00k> I wonder how many aliases douglasawh has
[19:39] <douglasawh> ugh. Chromium has the gnome theme bar
[19:39] <douglasawh> h00k: well, there's a different one for each computer....more-or-less...but 3, I assume
[19:41] <h00k> douglasawh: you mean the top theme? You can check/uncheck "use system title bar and borders" by right clicking on the tab bar
[19:42] <douglasawh> must have reset with an update
[19:43] <h00k> It is now version 10.0.648.127 (76697) Ubuntu 11.04
[19:45] <douglasawh> that's what I've got
[20:09] <h00k> lostson just quit linux :(
[20:12] <douglasawh> because of ALT+f2?
[20:12] <douglasawh> he knows he can run GNOMEdo, right?
[20:14] <h00k> No, I sent him an identica notice about the fix, he just said he's not going to bother, just threw win7 on his laptop, after 10+ years of linux he had enough" :(
[20:14] <mikeputnam> lame
[20:14] <h00k> I'm hoping it was something in frustration and not permanent
[20:14] <h00k> I said I still hope to see him around, he's welcome in the community
[20:15] <h00k> https://twitter.com/#!/LostSon/status/45939603701641216
[20:21] <douglasawh> it's an alpha still, right?
[20:24] <h00k> yep
[20:24] <h00k> He said he may go back to xubuntu today :D
[20:34] <douglasawh> haha
[20:34] <douglasawh> there's going to be a lot of that, I think
[20:38] <h00k> Probably