[05:57] <pleia2> btw: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/03/10/wiki-ubuntu-com-upgrade-update/
[05:57] <pleia2> so maybe maybe in 2 weeks the wiki shall rise again
[15:24] <Sysi> so, have the default applications all been decided, and do we have any space on installation disk? i've talked about adding pavucontrol earlier already, bu i think not in correct place
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:25] <charlie-tca> yes, default apps have been decided
[15:26] <Sysi> it's a bit weird that we have pulseaudio and only control to it is volume control in xfce4-mixer
[15:26] <Sysi> but of course people needing it can install it later
[15:27] <charlie-tca> It is also weird that I have never installed that and still get sound?
[15:30] <Sysi> well you have that sound control :P
[15:31] <Sysi> hum, does switching soundcard from xfce4-mixer work for pulseaudio?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> I seem to be in minority too, I think, when it comes to getting sound to work without pavucontrol
[15:31] <charlie-tca> I only have one soundcard
[15:31] <Sysi> i don't use pulseaudio at all
[15:32] <charlie-tca> I use it, because it allows sound from virtualbox machines and the hardware at the same time
[17:04] <charlie-tca> ochosi: from #xubunru
 I just finished a google chrome theme matching the new greybird xubuntu look: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/djhdibfheaidnhfnhhnmdngcmjpicpkn
[17:07] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hm, the guy isn't there anymore
[17:08] <ochosi> charlie-tca: looks nice, anyhow, greybird has a chrome/chromium style included, so no need for an external theme
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Just wanted to pass that on to you
[17:10] <charlie-tca> He came and announced and left
[17:10] <ochosi> right
[17:10] <ochosi> thanks
[17:11] <ochosi> well i guess in a way that's rather positive feedback :)
[17:11] <charlie-tca> yeah
[17:11] <charlie-tca> copy is flattery!
[17:11] <ochosi> i might not be able to attend tonight's meeting as i'm currently ill
[17:11] <ochosi> and i need to rest again soon
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Okay, take care of yourself
[17:12] <ochosi> i just wanted to check whether tonight the *final* decision about the wallpaper is taken
[17:12] <charlie-tca> hopefully, to give the artist time to change anything needed
[17:12] <ochosi> right
[17:12] <charlie-tca> but we will see
[17:12] <ochosi> ok, so let me quickly pass on my artwork news to you for the meeting
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Do we have any new logos to check out?
[17:13] <ochosi> i looked into that with knome, there's a problem with how the new panel handles the menu-icon
[17:13] <ochosi> i filed a bug about it upstream
[17:13] <ochosi> the new app-menu button is always scaled down to square size
[17:14] <ochosi> so there's not much room for improvement over the current icon
[17:14] <ochosi> i'd suggest we stick to it
[17:14] <knome> charlie-tca, i probably can't attend the meeting today, and my wallpaper proposal is not finished. is it a catastrophe?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:14] <knome> well, i'm going to submit what i have now.
[17:14] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:15] <charlie-tca> We gave what, 4 months or so notice this time?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> ochosi: okay
[17:15] <charlie-tca> what else do we have?
[17:15] <knome> we have what, this thing called life ?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> That's fine
[17:15] <ochosi> charlie-tca: in other artwork news: greybird is now fixed to theme gdm
[17:15] <ochosi> and i improved the xfce4-notification style so that it's more contrasty
[17:15] <ochosi> and easier to see
[17:16] <ochosi> also: there has been a new release of the elementary icons upstream as promised and that includes quite a few fixes for us
[17:16] <ochosi> i submitted many patches to them
[17:16] <charlie-tca> What did we decide on the Education icon?
[17:16] <ochosi> nothing just yet
[17:17] <ochosi> tbh i didn't get what the final point was in "freedesktop-icon-spec vs. freedesktop-menu-spec"
[17:17] <ochosi> but i can add an icon for it in elementaryXubuntu
[17:18] <charlie-tca> We only have about two weeks left now to make these things happen
[17:18] <ochosi> i think we might be able to slim that down a bit, since much of what it contained is now in upstream as well
[17:18] <ochosi> i know
[17:20] <ochosi> right, i guess that's about it for artwork atm
[17:20] <charlie-tca> okay, I will pass that stuff along
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:20] <ochosi> thanks
[17:20] <ochosi> :)
[17:20] <charlie-tca> get some rest?
[17:21] <ochosi> btw, about the wallpapers, i'd be happy if it were something not just grey or blue
[17:21] <ochosi> i submitted to green photos myself that i like a lot
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Yeah, me too. But I think we can ask for a change to them, too
[17:21] <ochosi> s/to/two
[17:21] <knome> http://www.flickr.com/photos/emunkki/5515380336/in/pool-uawt-7
[17:22] <charlie-tca> non-photos can always be changed a bit, right?
[17:22] <ochosi> sure, also photos can be changed
[17:22] <ochosi> anyhow, to be honest there are quite a lot submissions that i don't like...
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I kind of like http://www.flickr.com/photos/57470087@N03/5297409903/in/pool-uawt-7
[17:24] <charlie-tca> and the balloons
[17:27] <mr_pouit> Not sure I'll be on time for the meeting (I'll be either 20 min late or 20 min too early ;-).
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Well, that is a pickle
[17:28] <charlie-tca> hm, could be a real short meeting, now
[17:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Did you have a choice or two on wallpaper?
[17:32] <mr_pouit> yeah, the one from knome, and possibly a second one, with a man flying with an umbrella
[17:32] <mr_pouit> (I don't have the url right now)
[17:34] <charlie-tca> I see the umbrella one
[17:34] <mr_pouit> and the packaging/dev report, nothing much: uploaded new greybird, fixed a few default settings' issues, and blacklisted a few indicators in xfce4-indicator (e.g. indicator-appmenu, we don't want it)
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Okay
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:36] <mr_pouit> oh, also fixed a crash in xfce4-terminal, and patched xfce4-settings to solve the long standing bugs wrt sticky keys
[17:36] <charlie-tca> even better
[17:37] <mr_pouit> I have to leave now, maybe I'll make it on time ;-)
[17:37] <ochosi> ah, one note on the reboot/logout issue: it also happens with the logout-window that is called from the menu
[17:37] <ochosi> so it's really something independent
[17:37] <ochosi> not depending on the session-menu or any othre panel plugin
[17:37] <charlie-tca> but does it happen if you remove session menu completely, and use the action buttons ?
[17:38] <ochosi> it does
[17:38] <Sysi> happened to me
[17:38] <charlie-tca> All my restart/shutdown issues disappeared with session menu, and they were there no matter what else I did
 Hello!  I'm doing some work on indicator-datetime, and it's preference dialog now covers the same functionality as time-admin.  It also has controls for indicator-datetime.  So for Ubuntu the Product, I want to not have time-admin, but I'm assuming it would still be useful for xubuntu?  Do you guys use indicator-datetime?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: ^ ^
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: aren't you an hour early?
[17:51] <ochosi> yeah, just thought the same :)
[17:51] <charlie-tca> That's wrong, isn't it?
[17:51] <charlie-tca> huh
[17:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: date -u
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 70 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[17:52] <micahg> :)
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Sorry for the confusion
[17:57] <charlie-tca> So, If I held the meeting an hour early, can I make it a shorter meeting?
[17:58] <knome> no, we'll file an appeal to the community council :P
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Maybe you would make it if it is earlier?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> hm, appears Technical board gets the room first
[17:59] <knome> doesn't really matter. i shouldn't be here now either, but i'm forced to work with inkscape on windows 2000
[18:05] <cody-somerville> knome, http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4064
[18:07] <knome> yeah, ETA 2 week starting next week.. in the canonical schedule that means it's ready 2014!
[18:09] <charlie-tca> looks like a good thing to me
[18:09] <cody-somerville> yea, lets be positive for once even if knome might be right :P
[18:10] <charlie-tca> knome might be wrong, and it will happen before natty releases, too!
[18:10] <cody-somerville> \o/
[18:22] <knome> charlie-tca, can we move the wp issue to first on the agenda??
[18:24] <charlie-tca> I can put it after the old business
[18:27] <knome> better than nothing, i guess
[18:32] <knome> A draft for Xubuntu Natty wallpaper including green and blue colors blurred so the wallpaper stays on the background. Designed to work well with the Greybird theme.
[18:32] <knome> errr
[18:32] <knome> http://www.flickr.com/photos/emunkki/5515540418/in/pool-uawt-7#/photos/emunkki/5515540418/in/pool-1546142@N20/
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Why did that get under emunkki instead of in the pool as it's own submission?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> How many different places do we have submissions for this?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> I should be able to look at http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-7/pool/ and see every submitted wallpaper, it seems that is not possible?
[18:37]  * micahg is missing the title bar now
[18:38] <knome> charlie-tca, it *is* submitted to the pool, just reload the page
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[18:38] <knome> charlie-tca, that's just how flickr is.
[18:39] <knome> charlie-tca, it first shows the author when you go to any photo page
[18:39] <charlie-tca> oh, I am sorry
[18:39] <knome> np
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Heads up, I am proposing we put the top 5 wallpapers in backgrounds, for the users to have for the entire release
[18:43] <micahg> anyone lose their title bar in the latest updates?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> what title bar, in the windows?
[18:43] <micahg> yep
[18:43] <knome> charlie-tca, okay for me, but we still need a default ;]
[18:43] <micahg> I have the menus, but no title bar now
[18:43] <charlie-tca> micahg: Alt+F2, xfwm4 &
[18:44] <Sysi> & is not actually needed with xfrun4
[18:44] <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, thanks, you know what happened
[18:44] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:45] <charlie-tca> probably had all windows that were open at shutdown piled on top of each other in workspace 1, too
[18:45] <micahg> was playing with unity 2d
[18:48] <charlie-tca> micahg: I get that everytime I restart with the "session menu" installed in the panel
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:51] <charlie-tca> I got it right this time, didn't I?
[18:51] <knome> yup
[18:51] <knome> though it was 9 minutes
[18:51] <knome> ;)
[18:52] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:52] <charlie-tca> but I usually start one minute late
[18:52] <charlie-tca> :-)
[19:32] <knome> charlie-tca, suggestion: if we get to choose the five best, let's upload those and leave artists one week to finish off the designs and let's decide the default one week from now?