[01:51] What's with all the drama on the blags? [02:11] Is it at all possible to launch unity without the panel service getting run? [02:15] Hrm looking at the code, doesn't seem like it. [03:39] I'm trying to fix a bitesize bug but I'm not really sure how to build unity-place-applications to test my changes, anyone online to help? [05:52] i'm a sad panda. unity panel really needs custom icon support. dropbox, xchat, etc need it. [06:01] In the launcher? [06:02] well, i'd like the xchat thing to wiggle if i get pinged [06:02] but i was thinking more along the line of applet-like icons [06:02] and yes, i know applets are impossible [06:02] or so i've heard [06:03] *applet-like icons in the traditional panel positon === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:12] * RAOF would quite like a system-monitor applet-y thing; you could do that by pushing icon updates if you wanted to. [07:11] hey kvalo [07:12] kenvandine: good evening. you are up late :) [07:22] good morning [07:23] kvalo, uploaded [07:23] good morning didrocks [07:23] howdy [07:24] kenvandine: wow, this late? thanks a lot [07:24] kvalo, no worries [07:24] hey kenvandine [07:26] * kenvandine rejects ted's merge proposal [07:27] kenvandine: how do you feel? I'm sure you always feel good rejecting ted's merge proposal :) [07:27] hehe [07:28] indicator-datetime released today and is actually much buggier [07:28] i am surprised to say that... it was pretty buggy already [07:28] * kenvandine isn't going to sponsor this [07:29] well time for bed, good night all! [07:34] see you kenvandine! [07:47] this morning indicator-datetime was claiming that it's thursday [07:48] kvalo: it's because you stil have a lot of work to do! ;) [07:48] that's a trap ;) [07:48] ah :) [08:09] Hello,I am getting this bug http://pastebin.com/Z8qhp0wv , when I am trying to update Natty.Any ideas? [08:15] hey there folks [09:15] aloha === ogra_ is now known as ogra === API is now known as Guest10841 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:34] Hello.I just read the alt f2 article on omgubuntu and updated my natty.No alt f2 dash.Any ideas? [11:44] elricl, did you log out/log in? [11:45] Found the problem,my mirror was laggin behind,downloading from the main. [11:45] aah [11:45] cool, hope you like it :) [12:11] I am sure I will. [12:12] :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:52] Still.Installed all updates.Rebooted a coupe of times,still no alt f2 love. === elricl_ is now known as elricl [12:52] kenvandine, poke? [12:52] any ideas? njpatel [12:53] elricl, open ccsm and look at unity plugin, does it have the "run a command" option bound to Alt+F2? [12:54] nope,not even a run command. [12:55] wait a sec.I think I did something stupid.Let me come back a little later. [12:57] heh, okay :) [12:57] fwiw it sounds like you have an old unity [12:57] you should have 3.6.6 [12:57] and the very latest unity-place-applications [12:58] ( 0.2.38-0ubuntu1) [12:58] I think i am running my own build of old unity [12:58] pulling from bzr now [12:59] I think i am running my own build of old unity.rebuilding now. [13:00] elricl, are you building into a non /usr directory? [13:00] to /opt [13:00] because you'll need to cp the latest .place files from /usr/share/unity/places/ [13:00] following http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source. [13:00] into /opt/share/unity/places [13:01] Ok,will do that. [13:07] kenvandine, I just did another release that fixes the crashes === evilvish is now known as vish [13:16] njpatel: Love the alt f2. :) [13:19] elricl, heh, awesome! didrocks is the man! [13:19] :) [13:22] Ok.Now my turn.Am gonna fix atleast one bug this weekend. [13:40] dbarth_, njpatel I'm here (if you read the mail) [13:40] Cimi, hey [13:40] loicm, too [13:40] Cimi, had a question re: scrollbars [13:41] thx to android tethering [13:41] over wifi [13:41] Cimi, is the "orange" going to be made into showing on overlay only? [13:41] hover* [13:41] njpatel, ? [13:41] Cimi, or is the colour going to be adjusted to make it less striking? [13:41] Cimi, the overlay scrollbar is a bit too visible right now, it stands out [13:43] njpatel, it is base[SELECTED] [13:43] can be easily adjusted [13:43] interesting [13:43] Cimi, maybe it needs to be shaded? I might play around if I hve some time, I'll stop bothering you right now, though :) [13:44] shaded? [13:44] you mean brighter? [13:44] darker [13:44] it's a bit too bright [13:45] aruiz, great [13:45] hey jporsini [13:45] njpatel, I'm not bothered for you, I'm angry because internet down means no killzone on PSN for the weekend [13:46] kenvandine, hello! I have put the debdiff, and I have also create a bzr branch and ask for a review from you. I never do that, so I hope that I did not make too much mistakes [13:46] jporsini: no worries [13:46] i'll review that sometime this morning [13:47] kenvandine, nice! that's really not urgent [13:47] Cimi, heh [13:47] jporsini: what was the bug number again? [13:48] kenvandine, bug #732848 [13:48] Launchpad bug 732848 in liferea (Ubuntu) "Feature request: add unread items count in the Unity Launcher entry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732848 [13:48] jporsini_, thx [13:49] seb128, i didn't upload indicator-datetime last night, it was much buggier than the previous version :( [13:50] kenvandine, but there was only a few commits? [13:50] yeah [13:51] i think karl will be back today, so maybe we can get some other fixes in too [14:06] Hello.Do i have to logout and login each time I make a change to unity code and rebuild it ? [14:08] ronoc, ping [14:10] ronoc, i have experiencing something rather odd right now... [14:10] every few seconds my sound indicator icon turns red and then back to white [14:11] i assume pulse dying and restarting... [14:17] kenvandine, hmmm that is a mute blocking state [14:17] kenvandine, is your sound muted ? [14:18] and are you playing music ? [14:18] muted [14:18] it has stopped now [14:18] for about 10 minutes though, ever few seconds it seemed to change [14:19] kenvandine, if you are muted and something tries to play something tries to play audio (sound effects, or music or whatever) that state will be fired [14:20] elricl, no, it's enough to just run compiz --replace with a proper PATH [14:25] Hm. unity --reset doesn't reset the launchers. [14:28] kenvandine,sorry can see what I'm doing now, don't know if that made sense [14:29] so the mute blocking state is triggered when the device is muted but something tries to play out through that that sink (device) [14:30] kenvandine, just need todo some merging and a little test and then I'll roll up [14:32] Daekdroom: bug 731578 [14:32] Launchpad bug 731578 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity --reset-icons is needed to restore default launcher icons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731578 [14:33] Thank you. [14:38] ronoc, oh... maybe it was blinking while i was having a chat in empathy and it was playing sound for messages received [14:38] interesting, never noticed that befreo [14:38] before [14:38] kenvandine, yeah its looks a bit odd if you don't know what its for [15:01] kvalo, time for a review ? [15:01] https://code.launchpad.net/~cjcurran/indicator-sound/keyboard-rewind-forwind/+merge/53012 [15:03] ronoc: can it wait 30 mins or so? [15:04] kvalo, was hoping to release soon [15:04] kamstrup, about ? [15:05] ronoc: ok, I'll do it now then [15:05] kvalo, thanks [15:07] ronoc: approved with my usual nitpick about commenting out code :) [15:08] kvalo, oh thanks, I keep forgetting to delete my commented stuff, well spotted, will fix [15:11] kvalo, I comment out debugs just in case i need them again [15:11] save me having to write them in again [15:12] if i were to delete them [15:14] ronoc: then I suggest a compile time flag to enable them [15:14] ronoc: eg. is_debug() or whatever you like [15:15] kvalo, at some point if had an ide that would work consistently i would do this [15:21] ronoc: it's easy to do and makes code a lot easier to maintain. I strongly suggest to do it. I can even do it for you if you want :) [15:21] kvalo, okay cool === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:28] jcastro, the bookmarks toolbar pops up when you go to make a new tab [15:29] what do you mean? [15:31] re: your post [15:31] you say you dont want to get rid of the bookmarks toolbar [15:32] but it comes back when you do new tab anyway [15:32] it's so nice [15:32] oh dude! [15:32] I've never seen that before! [15:32] it's the best feature of chrome [15:32] ha that might be hyperbole :P [15:32] but you know [15:39] didrocks, ping [15:42] howdy [15:46] I posted a branch which I believe fixes bug 732981 can anyone help review it? [15:46] Launchpad bug 732981 in unity (Ubuntu) "Application sections dropdown is not alphabetized" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732981 [15:52] jbicha, I think you should have proposed it for merging in the trunk [15:53] it helps the devs to review by showing a diff between your branch and the parent branch [15:54] ok, done [15:54] I thought I needed to put someone as reviewer but I guess it can fill that in automatically [15:55] jbicha: if you just propose it it plops into the queue [15:55] and then we poke people to review the queue [15:55] thanks and can anyone else confirm bug 732978 ? [15:55] Launchpad bug 732978 in unity (Ubuntu) "Find Media Apps & Find Internet Apps doesn't point to the right category" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732978 [15:56] sigh, I keep mixing up my windows when maximized on 2 screens [15:56] so I keep closing the wrong one [15:58] jbicha: here's what they look like: https://code.launchpad.net/unity/+activereviews [15:58] jbicha, I reproduce with unity-2d if it helps [15:58] jporsini, which bug? [15:59] jbicha, 732978 [15:59] jporsini: i can reproduce that [15:59] guys I need some help with a small problem with nux :/ [16:00] http://susepaste.org/27226433 [16:00] Unity is crashing on me... this is the output from gdb I could get [16:01] the strange thing is that the file it fails to get is actually on that location, and doesn't seem to be corrup [16:02] jcastro, mine is actually at https://code.launchpad.net/unity-place-applications/+activereviews but same idea [16:03] oh whoops, I should keep an eye on those [16:10] nmarques, that isn't the cause of the crash [16:10] it just doesn't have enough debug info [16:11] oh, maybe i am wrong === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray [16:29] is there any launchpad project for the "commands" place in unity ? [16:30] and if not should i just report bugs against it in unity ? [16:31] Hey there. I had a question about what route I should go about to post an idea concerning the indicators? I posted it on Ubuntu Brainstorm a while back and got nice feedback, not sure where to go from there. [16:32] nerochiaro_: I think commands place is bounded to the unity-applications-place in LP [16:32] tsnieman: probably reporting a bug should do be the next step, i suppose [16:33] danyR: ok, thanks [16:33] nerochiaro_: Thanks. [16:40] kenvandine, sorry for delay with that [16:41] kenvandine, will upload today if you are happy with it (today being Friday after all) [16:44] :) [16:44] no worries [16:44] should be low risk [16:44] i would be more hesitate to upload a big dbusmenu change today :) [16:45] kenvandine, makes sense, mainly bug fixes, rewind and fast forward should also be working [16:46] now [16:46] :) [16:46] just hold either button down for more than 0.8 of a second and it will start to skip in that direction [16:49] mpt, ping [17:10] njpatel, hey there [17:11] aruiz, hey dude [17:11] * njpatel realises gnome-settings-daemon just crashed [17:17] aruiz, sorry, had some system issues [17:18] njpatel, heh [17:18] njpatel, so, I'm hunting hackers without a hackergotchi on PGO [17:18] hey all [17:19] njpatel, you are on my list! [17:19] :-) [17:19] aruiz, oh nose [17:19] nose? [17:19] noes [17:19] ? [17:19] I'll have to find a pic [17:19] :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|break [17:19] just send me a high res picture, I'll do the work [17:19] Cool, will do over the weekend :) [17:19] njpatel, cheers! [17:23] oh jeez [17:23] i was just looking for him [17:23] borderless ambiance looks amazing [17:24] njpatel, the resize corner needs to be more visible though [17:25] LLStarks, yeah, and also less visible in certain situations (terminal) [17:25] on an lcd, it can be invisible at certain angles [17:26] interesting [17:29] aruiz, your not going to tell njpatel his head isn't good enough? [17:29] that is what i was told by the former planet maintainer :) [17:29] haha [17:29] bloody Jeff ;) [17:29] he just said "your head isn't good enough for pgo" [17:29] Was I scaring away the public? [17:29] then disappeared for 2 weeks [17:30] njpatel, resize corner falls under light-themes or another package? wanna file a bug. [17:30] LLStarks, gtk [17:30] <\sh> dear unity devs, how can I start more then one terminal from the unity launcher icon bar? ;) [17:30] \sh, middle-click on the launcher [17:31] \sh, even better, submit a patch to gnome-terminal that adds "Open new window" to the quicklist :) [17:31] kenvandine, hahaha [17:31] njpatel, i tried that with g-t [17:31] err, which gtk [17:31] their command line option to open a new tab doesn't work [17:31] oh, did it not work? [17:31] *gtk package [17:32] <\sh> njpatel: argl...that's really difficult with a two button touchpad ;) [17:32] kenvandine, but new window does, right? [17:32] no new ones [17:32] no [17:32] \sh, it'll be a right click option soon :) [17:32] i wanted one for opening a new tab [17:32] <\sh> njpatel: great... [17:32] right [17:32] there is a flag for that [17:32] but it seems to get ignored [17:32] \sh, Ctrl+Alt+N if you have it focused [17:32] Ctrl+Shift+N [17:32] even [17:32] ah, that sucks [17:33] <\sh> njpatel: that's my problem ;) I don't have all terminals always focused I just need a fast way to open new terminals ;) [17:33] Try Ctrl + Alt + T [17:33] \sh, Ctrl+Alt+T [17:33] heh [17:33] <\sh> oh damn...yes the old shortcut [17:34] njpatel: Is asking a new window patch worthy? I can just change the destop file right? [17:34] <\sh> njpatel: thx for getting my head straight :) [17:35] elricl, you can, but we want it for all users right [17:35] \sh, heh, np :) [17:36] * \sh is now waiting that the world explodes when the worlds reads a crazy idea of mine about being more apple then wanted ;) [17:36] njpatel: Lets say I wanna write that patch,what file should I be modifying? [17:37] elricl, /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop [17:37] elricl, let me find the instructions, hold up [17:37] --window works, but --tab opens a new window too [17:37] elricl, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI#Quicklists the "static quicklists" section [17:37] njpatel: Yeah,i actually played around it a while [17:38] sweet [17:38] unity probably needs a restart as I doubt it's looking at the files [17:38] njpatel: I am just confused,how to write a "patch" for this. [17:38] elricl, oooh [17:39] elricl, just add the new file to a bug, I'm sure the maintainer can patch it for you. Otherwise you'll need to aptch the packaging [17:39] also, it might be nice just to get it in upstream too [17:40] Kaleo: around? [17:41] Kaleo: you confirmed bug #733371, I can't reproduce it [17:41] Launchpad bug 733371 in unity-2d "The commands place entry doesn't allow to run commands with arguments" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733371 [17:41] <\sh> njpatel: is it possible to have this dbusmenu thingy also showing the menu in an appindicator ? [17:41] \sh, yep, that's how it works [17:41] alt + F2, type "zenity --question" works there [17:41] (underneath) [17:41] kvalo, hey, we are on OMGUbuntu :) http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/indicator-network-is-looking-good-in-natty [17:41] kvalo, the toggleswitch looks good :) [17:41] Hey,I just read that there would be a Q & A section for new unity every friday,can anyone temme which channel? [17:42] <\sh> njpatel: so my idea which just appeared on planet is not so far from reality... [17:42] * njpatel looks [17:43] those omg guys pick stuff up quick [17:43] <\sh> njpatel: don't hate me or kill me or kick me ;) [17:43] didrocks: let me have a look [17:43] Hey,I just read that there would be a Q & A section for new unity every friday,can anyone temme which channel? [17:43] didrocks: ok, I can [17:44] didrocks: maybe it's something we do in Unity 2D? [17:44] \sh, your working around the launcher....I already hate you! ;) [17:44] nerochiaro_: ^ [17:44] \sh, no, it's not off, you might want to look at libbamf to help you get the app information [17:44] \sh, though I'm wondering what the exactly problem is that your trying to solve [17:45] (maybe we can still fix it as other users might have the same issue) [17:45] Kaleo: hum, do you support url activation? [17:45] didrocks: what's that? [17:45] Kaleo: it's the only thing I can think of [17:45] oh oh [17:45] Kaleo: what ? [17:45] Kaleo: what does pressing enter do in unity 2D? [17:45] didrocks: right now, nothing [17:46] wow... that was a bad unity crash. compiz decorator died and my lvds went color crazy when i tried to alt-sysreq-k. [17:46] Kaleo: isn't what the bug is about? :) [17:46] didrocks: no [17:46] didrocks: ah [17:46] didrocks: I see [17:46] Kaleo: so, you click on the first item? [17:46] didrocks: you are correct sir [17:46] Kaleo: the first item corresponds to the entry [17:46] :) [17:46] didrocks: what should happen when hitting enter? [17:46] at any rate, i was wondering if connman is making the cut for natty. [17:47] Kaleo: activating right now the first entry of the first group [17:47] <\sh> njpatel: actually I would like to have something like the old style "tasklist" from fvwm...I do have really a lot of apps running on one desktop (don't use multi desktop stuff, sadly) and I want to get my app back in the foreground as fast as possible.. and having the launcher mostly not on the left side, a simple indicator would help me to find my apps again, and eventually having a textual reprsentation of the app running with opened documents [17:47] Kaleo: we need to refine though so that ensuring the model is synce [17:47] synced* [17:47] didrocks: ok, so that's not related [17:47] didrocks: to test we click on the first result [17:47] hum [17:47] and it doesn't launch? [17:47] didrocks: nope [17:48] didrocks: maybe we do something wrong [17:48] nerochiaro_: are you following this? [17:48] Kaleo: can you check the model contains as the first entry: unity-runner:// ? [17:48] didrocks: on it [17:48] Kaleo: I bet there is something in your dbus implementation [17:48] \sh, interesting [17:48] Kaleo: so it works in unity with arguments and not in unity-2d ? [17:48] nerochiaro_: right [17:49] \sh, how many apps? have you seen the N shortcuts for the launcher? [17:49] didrocks: (unrelated question, removing window borders from the theme breaks Unity 2D badly visually and I suspect classic GNOME with metacity as well, is that known?) [17:49] Kaleo: ok, but i will have to go out in 20 minutes or so [17:49] \sh, I use them extensively now to move to an app. doing the key-combo twice gives your window spread of the application windows [17:49] <\sh> njpatel: yes...but it doesn't help me, somehow...normally I have more then 20 terminals (gnome/terminator) and quite a lot of browser windows open... [17:49] Kaleo: no. The design team should be aware of this as they manage the package [17:50] Kaleo: you can point it's also an issue with the fallback (No effect) [17:50] didrocks: right [17:50] which is the first experience with nvidia card [17:50] \sh, aah, okay, I think I understand the use-case [17:50] didrocks: who should I ping? [17:50] didrocks: rather, who uploaded the change? :) [17:50] Kaleo: let me see who uploaded the theme [17:50] :D [17:50] :) [17:51] \sh, I'm going to think about it over the weekend....there has to be something better than an indicator :) [17:51] Kaleo: sladen is the maintainer [17:51] didrocks: hmmm, actually "zenity --warning" and then clicking on the first result works! [17:51] <\sh> njpatel: well, it just came back to my mind, how apple was/is doing that for their apps, having the finder menu..(and I'm not an apple fanboy!!) [17:51] didrocks: I must have been clumsy! [17:51] didrocks: ok [17:51] nerochiaro_: ^ [17:51] Kaleo: waow? are you playing with the args? :p [17:52] nerochiaro_: actually "zenity --warning" and then clicking on the first result works! [17:52] \sh, right, I don't mean to comment on your post, I meant to add something in Unity that can take care of that use-case [17:52] Kaleo: the only thing that doesn't work right now is and [17:52] \sh, I think the designers + developers are very heavy tab users so we haven't come across that situation [17:53] didrocks: by synced you mean at the dee level? [17:53] kenvandine, sry, I was out for a while, got something to attend to [17:53] Kaleo: here the dash just hides but i see no zenity popup [17:53] nerochiaro_: are you running from trunk? [17:53] <\sh> njpatel: forget about the post...it was just a quick shot of something I had in my mind...20 minutes hack, taking more time to find the necessary bits and pieces for appindicator ;) [17:53] Kaleo: right, that the first item entry isn't updated in unity{3,2}D (the term) [17:53] \sh, heh :) [17:54] nmarques: did you restart the place after upgrading? [17:54] didrocks, I haven't upgraded yet [17:54] didrocks, it's still nux 0.9.30 and 3.6.2 [17:54] oupss, nerochiaro_ ^^ [17:54] <\sh> njpatel: actually a good practice to do dive back into dbus magic ;) [17:54] didrocks: understood [17:54] nmarques: ok, not that old :) [17:54] didrocks: thanks and sorry for the noise [17:54] Kaleo: no worry ;) [17:55] didrocks, I'm packaging the new version now [17:55] nmarques: excellent, package the new places version as well :) [17:55] \sh, heh, you should check out dbusmenu, it underpins a lot of unity and all the indicators [17:55] didrocks, stupid question, is places required ? [17:55] nmarques: no, you can remove them [17:56] it's just updated only when you restart unity [17:56] didrocks, I haven't packaged them as our zeitgeist stack isn't really implemented officially [17:56] ok :) [17:56] Kaleo: I'm sure the instigator of the change (mark), the implementor of the change (njpatel) and the upload of the change (sladen) would all love to have a solid report of the (in)sanity of 0px borders. I even opened a bug #733233 just in-case anyone might need to add such feedback! [17:56] Launchpad bug 733233 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Increase shadow area to 45 pixels (but not grip area)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733233 [17:57] ronoc, uploaded [17:57] sladen, Kaleo As mentioned originally, fallback mode and unity2d will need some magic there [17:57] <\sh> njpatel: jepp.I'm already reading the sources ... but somehow I'm the api documentation [17:57] sladen: I don't think that bug report describes at all the issue [17:57] kenvandine, brill thanks [17:57] sladen: metacity does not have shadows and needs borders [17:58] sladen: that's the issue [17:58] njpatel, sladen: question: why upload something we know is partly broken? [17:59] Kaleo, I wasn't expecting it to be uploaded today but I don't think it's an issue. We can test it on the main setup, it's alpha [17:59] It also is a beautiful way to ensure it does get fixed [18:00] njpatel: I disagree, uploading broken things is the best way to ship an incomplete product [18:00] Kaleo, if there was no way to revert, yes [18:00] Kaleo, but thankfully there is [18:00] njpatel: let's revert right now then [18:00] hooray [18:00] Kaleo, let's not, let's try and fix it [18:01] Not that I have *any* control of this [18:01] Kaleo: you need to clearly document the issues on the bug report before we can act on it :) [18:01] sladen: let me open a bug report [18:01] Kaleo: I opened a bug report specifically before uploading so that it could be linked it [18:02] Kaleo: it's the same one I pasted above: https://launchpad.net/bugs/733233 [18:02] Ubuntu bug 733233 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Increase shadow area to 45 pixels (but not grip area)" [Undecided,Fix released] [18:02] sladen: this bug report does not describe the issue [18:02] sladen: but I can definitely link the new bug to that one [18:02] Kaleo: it's the same one where I copied the relevant bits of the otherwise super-secret decision on an internal list [18:03] Kaleo: so that there would be a public documentation of where the request came from and when [18:03]