[03:40] <Riddell> "Implement a new build debian/rules build engine (dubbed dhmk) for Qt/KDE" oh just what the world needs, another debian package build system
[03:40] <maco> haha
[03:40] <maco> where'd you read that from?
[03:41] <Riddell> just committed to pkg-kde-tools in debian
[03:59] <nigelb> I'm thinking I should fall sick for work and just head to the conf.
[03:59]  * nigelb ponders
[04:02] <valorie> do it, and invoke your cloaking mechanism so the boss can't find you!
[04:03] <nigelb> haha
[04:03] <nigelb> I might be stupid and blog or tweet
[04:03] <nigelb> so weary
[04:03] <nigelb> and the boss knows I wnated to go to conf.kde.in so he might turn up there.
[04:03] <valorie> he won't budge, and let you go for even one day?
[04:04] <nigelb> No.
[04:04] <nigelb> At least I met all these folks for dinner twice.
[04:04]  * valorie calls nigelb's boss all kinds of nasty things
[04:04] <nigelb> Pre-conf party and also last night.
[04:04] <nigelb> I've been calling my boss all sorts of nasty things lately.
[04:05] <maco> and soon you will call him "ex-boss"!
[04:05] <Daskreech> sounds like grounds to look for a new job
[04:05] <valorie> duct-tape him to his chair and go!
[04:05] <nigelb> maco: yes, light at the end of the tunnel
[04:05] <nigelb> Daskreech: I did, I got.  A few more weeks left ;)
[04:06] <Daskreech> ;-)
[04:06] <Daskreech> camp KDE! :)
[04:06] <nigelb> I now have project neon stickers on my laptop
[04:06] <nigelb> I hope there's at least one Kubuntu sticker with Riddell by evening.
[04:06] <valorie> jealousy!
[04:06] <nigelb> I'm printing Debian stickers for the DD :D
[04:08] <nigelb> ok, sigh, work time.
[04:08] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}} to nigelb
[04:14]  * Daskreech hugs valorie to keep up his schedule
[04:14] <maco> Daskreech: you have a hugging schedule?
[04:14] <Daskreech> :)
[04:18] <valorie> {{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} back
[04:20] <Riddell> nigelb: tazz did aquire kubuntu stickers
[04:21] <shadeslayer> nigelb: oh nice.
[04:21] <shadeslayer> nigelb: /me wants
[04:21] <Daskreech> http://adainitiative.org/projects/census/
[04:29] <tazz> shadeslayer, when is your talk ?
[04:33] <Riddell> tazz: his is the last one before closing talk
[04:33] <tazz> ah... the 2nd last one... pressure on shadeslayer... :p
[04:34] <tazz> build-up for the final keynote for the last talk of conf.kde.in
[04:41] <shadeslayer> tazz: yeah .... and i don't feel so good as well
[04:42] <tazz> shadeslayer, stage fright ?
[04:42] <shadeslayer> tazz: no... bengaluru food doesn't agree with me
[04:43] <tazz> hmm
[04:43] <tazz> shadeslayer, eat minimum till your talk.
[04:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[04:43] <shadeslayer> i had like half a bread this morning
[04:43] <shadeslayer> s/bread/bread piece
[04:46] <nigelb> Riddell: yes, I know
[04:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer: kart_ hasn't mailed them to me yet
[04:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer: can poke when ou see him?
[04:47] <shadeslayer> sure
[04:49] <nigelb> valorie: thanks
[04:53] <nigelb> shadeslayer: right.  food doesn't agree with you.
[04:53] <shadeslayer> nigelb: seriously ....
[04:54] <nigelb> ok, no comments at the momment :P
[05:19] <nigelb> shadeslayer: how much time did it take to print?
[05:19] <ScottK> away
[05:20] <nigelb> darn
[05:21]  * nigelb texts
[05:21] <ScottK> Or not.
[05:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: The workspace build finished.  The log is named log.workspace and I put it in your home directory on the arm box.  The actual .debs are around too if you need them.
[06:39] <valorie> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001xgp.html
[06:39] <valorie> 8.8 in HONSHU
[06:40]  * valorie is hoping persia is nowhere near
[06:45] <nigelb> persia is .jp, but I hope there isn't a tsunami.
[06:46] <valorie> there is, actually
[06:46] <valorie> honshu is japan
[06:46] <nigelb> oh, ouch :(
[07:10] <nigelb> valorie: jono just said he's okay :)
[07:10] <valorie> thanks, nigelb
[07:11] <valorie> lots of others are not
[07:11] <valorie> 8.8 is HUGE
[07:11] <nigelb> yeah :(
[08:37] <bambee> morning
[09:22] <Riddell> bambee: so oyu got ubuntu running on your smartbook thing?
[09:23] <bambee> Riddell: yup, maverick
[09:23] <bambee> I've many things to fix
[09:23] <bambee> but It works
[09:24] <bambee> Riddell: actually this is ubuntu-netbook with unity, but I will install kubuntu-netbook
[09:24] <bambee> and test with kde :D
[09:27] <Riddell> bambee: which ARM image does it use?
[09:28] <bambee> Riddell: an nvidia tegra 2 => cortexA9-based
[09:29] <bambee> Riddell: at the last UDS, canonical did not say that they  would try to discuss with nvidia about the tegra on linux ?
[09:29] <bambee> (I can be wrong...)
[09:30] <bambee> Riddell: ohh sorry you asked me about image, I use an image ported by the community and not an official image
[09:31] <bambee> however I could test with the omap4 image... except the kernel it should work...
[09:33] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[09:33] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: he has a talk in a few minutes, so don't think he is around
[09:34] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: ok, sure.
[09:34] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: actually I just saw his reply so I pinged
[09:35] <c2tarun> Riddell: when you come around please take a look at bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267577
[09:36] <bambee> Riddell: good luck for your talk by the way ;)
[09:39] <Riddell> bambee: 
[09:39] <bambee> ?
[09:40] <Riddell> bambee: I don't know about nvidia I'm afraid
[09:40] <Riddell> c2tarun: sorry no bandwidth for that sort of thing, very limited internet at conf.kde.in
[09:41] <shadeslayer> aye
[09:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but ... but  ... i'm getting 200 KBps
[09:42] <valorie> break a leg, Riddell!
[09:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: its a bug, which needs your approval. whenever you get the bandwidth please take a look.
[09:44] <Riddell> c2tarun: why do you need to be on the kde-packagers mailing list?
[09:45] <c2tarun> Riddell: yofel suggested me to join that list for notifications related to packaging work for KDE.
[09:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where are you btw ?
[09:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: will you approve?
[09:54] <Riddell> hhhhhh
[09:55] <c2tarun> Riddell: what does this mean? :(
[09:55] <Riddell> it means I keep being dropped from the internet
[09:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: oh.... what about that bug?
[09:57] <Riddell> c2tarun: I think I'd prefer to see you do some more KDE SC packaging before being on the list
[09:58] <c2tarun> ok
[09:58] <c2tarun> Riddell: where can I get more work about KDE SC packaging?
[09:58] <Riddell> it's only for KDE SC pre-releases and security updates not anything else and it important to keep it closed to prevent security leaks
[09:58] <Riddell> c2tarun: SC releases are only once a month so there's nothing happening just now
[09:59] <Riddell> c2tarun: but I think we are behind on koffice releases?
[09:59] <Riddell> could you check that?
[10:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure, where can I get the link?
[10:00] <Riddell> koffice.org :)
[10:00] <Riddell> and launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice
[10:38] <c2tarun> Riddell: I didn't find any work on koffice.org can you please tell where?
[10:41] <debfx> apachelogger: how do I use the kde langpack foo for a python package?
[10:46] <c2tarun> Riddell seems to be busy, he told me that we are behind on koffice releases, can anyone please tell me where can I find what is left for release?
[10:47] <debfx> apachelogger: can I just include /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu.mk? it uses dh7 rules
[10:49] <debfx> c2tarun: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/koffice-2.3.3
[10:50] <c2tarun> debfx: I think its for downloading koffice.
[10:51] <debfx> c2tarun: yes, didn't you want to package the latest koffice release?
[10:53] <c2tarun> debfx: yup but I thought it was some packages which is required by koffice, are you saying whole koffice needs packaging?
[10:53] <debfx> yes
[10:53] <c2tarun> debfx: ok, thanks I'll try it :)
[10:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: see at launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice it says we have 2.3.1
[10:55] <Riddell> and tomas just said that 2.3.3 exists
[10:56] <Riddell> so we are behind
[10:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: oh got it :)
[10:56] <c2tarun> I'll do for 2.3.3 thanks :)
[12:05] <apachelogger> debfx: yes
[12:05] <apachelogger> debfx: that is if you have a proper Messages.sh
[12:05] <apachelogger> as the logic how extraction happens is in there
[12:06] <debfx> apachelogger: I don't have a Messages.sh
[12:08] <debfx> what does it need to extract?
[12:08]  * debfx is totally unfamiliar with the translation stuff
[12:10] <apachelogger> debfx: take a look at the printer applet thing in kdeutils
[12:10] <debfx> apachelogger: it doesn't use the kde infrastructure for translations
[12:11] <apachelogger> eh?
[12:11] <apachelogger> what is it using then?
[12:13] <apachelogger> debfx: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/Messages.sh?view=markup
[12:14] <debfx> apachelogger: i'm talking about the synaptiks package
[12:14] <debfx> it already has a pre-generated .pot file
[12:15] <apachelogger> debfx: you still need a messages.sh :P
[12:16] <apachelogger> OTOH
[12:16] <apachelogger> why not use tht simply?
[12:19] <debfx> I still need to process the desktop file, right?
[12:20] <apachelogger> well
[12:21] <apachelogger> debfx: from a technical POV we should generate a pot using the process described
[12:21] <apachelogger> so that it is definitely covering the current source base
[12:22] <apachelogger> but import into launchpad and stuff is all handled by special magic packages that do not require any help to work their magic
[12:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks for building
[12:22] <apachelogger> I think we can upload a new workspace
[12:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: You're welcome.
[12:22] <apachelogger> I don't get any linkage against libGL
[12:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we need to get Qt built with gcc4.5 first?
[12:23] <apachelogger> in neither applets nor dataengines
[12:23] <debfx> ok, so I just add a Messages.sh and include that makefile
[12:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: no
[12:23] <ScottK> OK
[12:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: did someone already start QAing that btw?
[12:23] <ScottK> Not AFAIK.
[12:23] <apachelogger> debfx: also push that upstream plz, I wonder how upstream generated the pot without that actually :O
[12:23] <apachelogger> debfx: are there pos too?
[12:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should get someone from linaro to do it ^^
[12:24] <ScottK> They may have.
[12:24]  * apachelogger has a major hangover
[12:25] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, one
[12:25] <apachelogger> kubotu: order bloody mary
[12:25]  * kubotu adds a dashes of Worcestershire Sauce, Tabasco, salt and pepper into a highball glass, pours 4.5 cl Vodka, 9 cl Tomato juice, 1.5 cl Lemon juice and ice cubes in the highball, stirs gently, garnishes with Celery Salt and lemon wedge and slides the cocktail down the bar to apachelogger. Voilà your Bloody Mary.... muhahahahah :P
[12:25] <apachelogger> debfx: odd enough
[12:25] <apachelogger> debfx: well, there is a kde techbase page explaining all the l10n mumbo jumbo I blieve
[12:25] <ScottK> nixternal: Shut down.
[12:25] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[12:26]  * apachelogger sips from his bloody mary and wonders about things
[12:27] <debfx> apachelogger: who controls in which language pack the pos end up?
[12:28] <apachelogger> debfx: dpm I believe, or at least he knows who does
[12:28] <debfx> aha, looks like it hasn't been imported at all: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptiks/+imports
[12:28] <apachelogger> ah
[12:28] <apachelogger> there are more pos :P
[12:28] <debfx> well upstream tarball only contains de.po
[12:29] <apachelogger> uh :O
[12:29] <dpm> debfx, apachelogger, is that a new module? If so, I can just approve it now. Otherwise we'll have to have a look why it wasn't imported automatically (perhaps upstream module rename, or shifting things around...)
[12:29] <debfx> dpm: yes, it's new
[12:31] <apachelogger> dpm: did we get a new tar recently?
[12:31] <apachelogger> eh
[12:31] <apachelogger> debfx: 
[12:31] <apachelogger> sry
[12:31] <debfx> hmm it isn't really new
[12:31] <debfx> it's new in main though
[12:31] <dpm> debfx, ok, approved it. From now on translations should be imported automatically. If we're lucky, they will be imported before 15:00 today and make it to this weekend's language pack
[12:31] <dpm> if not, next week's
[12:32] <apachelogger> dpm: thank you :)
[12:32] <dpm> no worries :)
[12:32] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, ah, 0.4 had translations 0.5 does not
[12:33] <apachelogger> I suggest threatening upstream to get beatins' or something :P
[12:33] <apachelogger> that is no godo thing to strip all translations on a new release
[12:33] <apachelogger> or maybe they just messed up release tarballing
[12:34] <debfx> I guess the old translations don't cover most of the strings in 0.5
[12:34] <dpm> hey kubuntu devs, here's for something else - can you think of any cool topics to cover related to Kubuntu/KDE/Qt technologies to build apps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/?
[12:46] <debfx> apachelogger: looks like it has its own script to generate the pot file: https://github.com/lunaryorn/synaptiks/blob/master/synaptiks/setup/l10n.py
[12:47] <apachelogger> dpm: sure we can, just that as usual no one wants to do the talks :S
[12:49] <dpm> apachelogger, perhaps we can just start listing a few topics on  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Prep and then start threath... err persuading people to run the sessions?
[12:49] <apachelogger> right, I'll add them after lunch
[12:50] <dpm> cool, thanks apachelogger!
[13:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: it turns out it did not link recursive at all, ldd just displayed it recursively -.-
[13:18] <ScottK> Ah.  U/I issue.
[13:25] <apachelogger> dpm: I added Qt, KDE, QtQuick, PlasmaWidgets and Phonon as topics
[13:25] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: I haz gl it seems
[13:26] <apachelogger> at least the broken font rendering in the widget explorer suggests that :O
[13:26] <dpm> apachelogger, oh, awesome, thanks
[13:48] <apachelogger> oh lawd
[13:48]  * apachelogger imagined plasma-mobile with opengl to work better :S
[14:04] <debfx> apachelogger: could you have a quick look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/synaptiks_0.5.3-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:05] <debfx> it seems to be working, po/ contains de.po, desktop_synaptiks.pot and synaptiks.pot after the build
[14:11] <apachelogger> looks good
[14:23] <debfx> okay, uploaded
[14:27] <apachelogger> valorie: pingy
[15:14] <debfx> dpm: could you please approve the desktop_synaptiks template?
[15:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: so, the good news is everything is workingy, also gles now seems to work in plasma-mobile
[15:18] <apachelogger> BUT
[15:18] <apachelogger> opengl does not improve plasma's performance a lot
[15:18] <apachelogger> instead it adds rendering problems with text
[15:19] <ScottK> Lovely.
[15:19] <ScottK> It's a tech preview ....
[15:19] <apachelogger> in particular it would actually appear that the animation parts (e.g. switchin from front of the containment to the back, where one finds menu items and stuff) are not done in gl at all
[15:19] <ScottK> Who's bug?
[15:20] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:20] <apachelogger> well
[15:20] <apachelogger> I'll polish the default settings a bit
[15:20] <ScottK> OK.
[15:20] <apachelogger> desktop effects need to go, style needs to be plastique and all that stuff
[15:20] <apachelogger> bigger fonts
[15:45] <c2tarun> koffice failed after several hours of building :( here is the error log http://paste.kde.org/7055/  what should I do? Do i have to do whole building again?
[15:50] <tsimpson> c2tarun: fix the errors and run "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc" to continue the build
[15:51] <c2tarun> tsimpson: sorry but I have no idea how to fix those errors, can you please help?
[15:51] <yofel> kformula went missing, you'll need to find out why
[15:52] <c2tarun> yofel: what is an kformula? how can I find more about it?
[15:52] <tsimpson> look in debian/control ;)
[15:52] <yofel> c2tarun: the executable went missing
[15:52] <yofel> from your build log:
[15:52] <yofel> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kformula': No such file or directory
[15:52] <tsimpson> it's one of the packages your building apparently
[15:53] <c2tarun> do you mean to say that kformula is a package that is needed for building and went missing? 
[15:53] <tsimpson> no, it's produced from the build
[15:54] <tsimpson> it's one of the packages in koffice
[15:54] <yofel> c2tarun: it's trying to create the kformula package according to the install file, but one of the files the install file contains (usr/bin/kformula) isn't there, you need to find out why it wasn't built and installed
[15:56] <c2tarun> ok, I can see in control file that kformula package must be build. here is the control file. http://paste.ubuntu.com/578876/
[15:56] <c2tarun> yofel: but I am sorry I dont know how to check why it wasn't built :( can you please give me some hint.
[15:57] <yofel> er... look at the build log, maybe the configure script was missing something and decided to build it, maybe kformula was renamed or removed, check the changes file or koffice changelog somwhere
[15:58] <yofel> *decided not to build it
[16:02] <c2tarun> yofel: kformula is not removed, do you suggest looking at the several hours build log? ;'( well its impossible to scroll over and look into it, do we have any log file anywhere?
[16:02] <yofel> well, the package was configured somewhere before it was built, that's the place you need to start
[16:02] <yofel> the configure or cmake output
[16:02] <c2tarun> should I run cmake and see the o/p?
[16:03] <yofel> does kformula exist in the source?
[16:03] <yofel> c2tarun: your package build log has that o/p already, look there, it might be different from a local cmake run
[16:04] <c2tarun> yofel: yup there is a folder with name kformula with its files in it. and what do you mean by package build log? where is it?
[16:04] <dpm> debfx, done
[16:04] <bambee> w00t, plasma-netbook rocks on a smartbook ;)
[16:04] <yofel> c2tarun: how did you build it?
[16:04] <c2tarun> yofel: debuild
[16:04] <debfx> thanks
[16:05] <bambee> shadeslayer, Riddell:  how were your presentations ?
[16:05] <yofel> oh.. that probably doesn't have one..., run debuild again and abort after it runs cmake
[16:05] <debfx> dpm: hm synaptiks is back to "needs review"
[16:06] <c2tarun> ok, will it spoil the previous debuild? what other ways are there for building?
[16:06] <c2tarun> yofel: ^^
[16:07] <dpm> debfx, yeah, but don't worry, it will be imported automatically soon. The imporant bit is the text below the entry: "Will be imported into Template "synaptiks" in Ubuntu Natty package "synaptiks""
[16:07] <dpm> all entries start on the "Needs Review" status
[16:07] <dpm> and then they are processed by the auto-approver script
[16:07] <yofel> c2tarun: well, debuild is one, there is an option you can give it to not delete the previous build, I can't remember it, look at the manpage, the other way to build packages is to use pbuilder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Intro/Pbuilder  - or pbuilder-dist
[16:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you around for the release meeting?
[16:09] <c2tarun> yofel: I think if I exit my chroot now than it wont spoil the debuild than I can use pbuilder-dist for building.
[16:10] <yofel> c2tarun: wait
[16:10] <yofel> c2tarun: how did you get into the chroot?
[16:10] <c2tarun> sure
[16:10] <c2tarun> yofel: I have a chroot for natty and a pbuilder-dist chroot for natty, I used schroot to get into my simple natty chroot.
[16:11] <yofel> c2tarun: if you're in a chroot, that is properly set up for natty, then you can probably create a build folder and run cmake there after all
[16:11] <yofel> c2tarun: just don't run cmake in the source root, and remove the build folder again before you run debuild again
[16:12] <c2tarun> yofel: I am not getting what do you mean by build folder?
[16:12] <yofel> c2tarun: in the source root, run 'mkdir build && cd build && cmake ..'
[16:13] <yofel> that way you'll keep your source clean
[16:13] <c2tarun> yofel: just that?
[16:13]  * c2tarun trying
[16:13] <yofel> I don't know if koffice has any custom cmake flags set in rules, but start with that
[16:14] <c2tarun> yofel: by running cmake I am getting the help command list for cmake :/
[16:15] <yofel> c2tarun: are you sure koffice uses cmake? Is there a file called configure?
[16:16] <yofel> did you run 'cmake ..' ?
[16:16] <c2tarun> yofel: there is no file like configure but there are many files with cmake in there name.
[16:16] <yofel> c2tarun: ok, how did you run cmake then?
[16:16] <c2tarun> ok sorry I just executed cmake and no dots
[16:16] <yofel> ah, that'll be the problem ^^
[16:17] <c2tarun> yofel: I am getting this error CMake Error: The source directory "/" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[16:18] <yofel> c2tarun: ok, where did you get the source tar from? Or I'll have to continue with guessing all the time...
[16:19] <c2tarun> yofel: let me confirm one thing, where you exactly wanted me to make build directory? I think I made it in wrong place. do you want me to make build in the source code folder?
[16:19] <yofel> yes
[16:20] <yofel> well, not important, but you must give cmake the path to the source
[16:20] <yofel> .. was assuming that the folder was created in the source
[16:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm guessing that's a no.  I'll do the release team report.
[16:22] <c2tarun> yofel: here is the messages I got after running cmake, http://paste.kde.org/7056/
[16:23] <yofel> c2tarun: ok, I fear I'll need the whole build log, as that seems correct, where you building koffice 2.3.3 ?
[16:24] <c2tarun> yofel: here is the location of my source code folder http://paste.ubuntu.com/578889/
[16:28] <c2tarun> yofel: how can I get you whole build log?
[16:28] <c2tarun> yofel: I dont think I can copy and pastebinit from terminal, because its too big.
[16:29] <yofel> c2tarun: I'll try to build it myself
[16:29] <c2tarun> yofel: it will take hours :( there must be some way,
[16:30] <c2tarun> yofel: I found the build log
[16:30] <yofel> oh?
[16:30] <c2tarun> yofel: just tell me how can I show it to you?
[16:31] <yofel> well, upload it somewhere..
[16:32] <c2tarun> yofel: ok please wait, I have slow connection and its of 13MB so it will take around 10-15 mins
[16:49] <c2tarun> yofel: http://uploading.com/files/9fm18826/koffice_2.3.3-0ubuntu1_i386.build/
[16:58] <c2tarun> yofel: ping
[16:58] <yofel> give me a minute
[16:59] <c2tarun> sure
[17:15] <yofel> c2tarun: hm... it does build a file kformula_bin, but that is never installed, only the documentation and libraries and the install commands are indeed commented out in kformula/CMakeLists.txt
[17:17] <c2tarun> yofel: who commented them?
[17:17] <yofel> was trying to find that out, but koffice has moved to git and I can't find kformula now...
[17:19] <c2tarun> yofel: I dont think any lines are commented check this out http://paste.ubuntu.com/578915/
[17:19] <c2tarun> + there is no patch which is touching CMakeLists.txt file
[17:20] <yofel> *that* is the main CMakeLists.txt
[17:20] <yofel> I was talking about kformula/CMakeLists.txt
[17:20] <yofel> and it was commented out upstream
[17:20] <yofel> no idea why
[17:21] <c2tarun> yofel: yup got it, should I uncomment them?
[17:22] <yofel> I have personally never touched koffice, so I'm the wrong person to ask, but you can certainly add a patch to enable it again
[17:22] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, adding patch means whole build again :/
[17:23] <yofel> c2tarun: you should ask Riddell when he gets back, he usually looks at koffice
[17:24] <c2tarun> yofel: sure I'll do that :) meanwhile I am asking about this in #koffice let C if somebody replies
[17:31] <c2tarun> well this might be a silly question but kubuntu is shipped with openoffice and not with koffice, why?
[17:31] <jjesse> because ubuntu ships it?
[17:34] <c2tarun> yofel: I asked on #koffice and the guy said that I have to update the configuration of .deb any idea that does that mean?
[17:44] <yofel> c2tarun: also openoffice has much better support for diverse file formats than koffice, so we use openoffice same as ubuntu
[17:44] <yofel> c2tarun: and ok, from what he said in #koffice update the kformula install file, i.e. comment the files that are missing out
[17:45] <c2tarun> yofel: comment the files that are missing out means, ignore kformula?
[17:46] <yofel> c2tarun: yes, as the intentionally don't install it
[17:46] <yofel> *they
[17:46] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I am not very much familiar with cmake, can you please help me in finding the install file for kformula?
[17:46] <yofel> that has nothing to do with cmake
[17:47] <yofel> I meant the debian/kformula.install
[17:47] <yofel> you need to update the packaging
[17:52] <c2tarun> yofel: there is a long list of files in that .install file, and error was pointing to the very first file, I think on commenting it I'll get an error for second file and so on, here is the file koffice_2.3.3-0ubuntu1_i386.build I think I should remove the whole fiel
[18:00] <yofel> c2tarun: it probably isn't the only file missing, but according to the build log some files ARE installed, maybe remove the file, check the list-missing output later and then refresh the file using that as reference, that will only require one more build
[18:01] <yofel> and there was some flag for debuild to rebuild the package without recompiling, can't remember it though
[18:02] <yofel> ah, -nc 
[18:18] <shadeslayer> does one need sudo with do-release-upgrade?
[18:18] <c2tarun> yofel: sorry this might be a silly question but, you guys reply when I write ping and your IRC id but on simple messages sometimes, you dont notice. Is there any sound notification with ping word?
[18:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: yep
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:19] <shadeslayer> i thought it didn't ....
[18:19] <apachelogger> I once did an upgrade
[18:19] <apachelogger> it broke my system
[18:19] <yofel> c2tarun: if you have sound enabled yes, the reason I didn't immediately reply was that I was away from my keyboard
[18:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:19] <apachelogger> must have been in 1783 I believe
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: apachelogger seen dot.kde.org :D
[18:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh, not yet
[18:19]  * yofel goes looking
[18:19] <shadeslayer> http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/11/confkdein-project-neon-returns-bleeding-edge-kde-software
[18:19] <yofel> :D
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yep ... we are in buisness
[18:20] <shadeslayer> altho i should get rid of this laptop
[18:20] <yofel> heh, even with a shot of you :P
[18:20] <shadeslayer> shitty nvidia card didn't work again
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah :P
[18:21] <yofel> I'll fix the techbase page later, as someone said in kde-devel a few days ago my installing instructions are incomplete (I reference the env script without telling to install -common)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:39] <wolfpack> I was planning to add print functionality into a project.  The thing is it should be lightweight while fullfilling basic print functionalities. Can someone tell me what are the best options?
[18:48] <c2tarun> yofel: I am getting this error: dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read ../koffice_2.3.3-0ubuntu1.dsc: No such file or directory should I build the source pacakge first?
[18:49] <yofel> yes, the .dsc is generated by debuild -S
[18:49] <c2tarun> yofel: but its first time I am getting this error, I always build binary package first and then the source package.
[18:50] <yofel> well, debuild will also create the .dsc - if it runs *successfully*
[18:51] <c2tarun> yofel: ok I'll build source pacakge first and then the binary package.
[18:55] <shadeslayer> herp derp
[18:55] <shadeslayer> do-release-upgrade isn't working
[18:55] <c2tarun> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/7068/ this is the error I am getting on building the source package.
[18:55] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: are you trying to upgrade to natty?
[18:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: haha, what's the problem?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: stuck at calculating changes
[18:56] <shadeslayer> >.>
[18:56] <yofel> c2tarun: go to source, rm -rf build, and then try again
[18:56] <shadeslayer> persia: are you OK?
[18:56] <yofel> you didn't remove the build directory as I told you before running debuild
[18:56] <c2tarun> yofel: oh... very sorry I forgot
[18:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: ouch, let's see if I get hold packages here
[18:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I recall someone mentioning that they'd heard he was.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[18:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/7070
[18:58] <yofel> shadeslayer: no idea, I don't have anything held back here in natty
[18:59] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:59] <shadeslayer> i could just dist upgrade
[19:00] <yofel> probably
[19:00] <yofel> that's what I usually do (with aptitude) since I manage my source by hand anyway
[19:00] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:00] <yofel> *sources.list
[19:06] <yofel> btw. any reason we backported qtcreator 2.1 beta1 in the beta PPA for maverick but never backported 2.1 final?
[19:16] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I thought you were going to bed early? :P
[19:16] <nigelb> darn
[19:16] <nigelb> I forgot to get stickers from Riddell :(
[19:25] <dantti> is there a way to use kmail without akonady mysql stuff?
[19:25] <dantti> cause akonadi does not start and I can't use kmail because of that
[19:34] <_Groo_> dantti: why doesnt akonadi start?
[19:35] <dantti> _Groo_: it doesnt connect with mysql which wasn't installed but after installed I don't know what to do to create the db it want's
[19:36] <dantti> which would be easier if it use postgres since I have it installed 
[19:36] <dantti> I only don't get why amarok uses embeded mysql and akonadi doesn't
[19:36] <_Groo_> dantti: remove the akonadi config files and ~/.kde/share/apps/akonadi
[19:37] <_Groo_> dantti: then use akonadiconsole or systemsettings to point to an external mysql
[19:37] <_Groo_> dantti: and let it recreate the db
[19:37] <dantti> it does not have any config files
[19:38] <dantti> where in ss I do that?
[19:38] <_Groo_> dantti: let me check, its been a while
[19:40] <_Groo_> dantti: personal configuration
[19:40] <_Groo_> dantti: but akonadiconsole is a separate package i think
[19:41] <_Groo_> dantti: yeah you need akonadiconsole in order to configure a external server
[19:41] <_Groo_> dantti: it defaults for a internal mysql, which you should have too
[19:41] <dantti> _Groo_: but is it really needed just for kmail
[19:41] <dantti> last time I used kmail it wasn't needed (4.4) or so
[19:42] <_Groo_> dantti: are you using kmail default or kmail beta aka 4.5.96.1
[19:42] <_Groo_> or 4.6.96.1, whatever
[19:42] <dantti> 4.6 from backports ppa
[19:43] <dantti> akonadiconsole fails to connect too
[19:43] <_Groo_> dantti: theres an option to configure the server, along with start/stop
[19:43] <_Groo_> dantti: look around and see whats going on
[19:43] <dantti> it crashes
[19:44] <_Groo_> what version shows up for kmail? the package version number
[19:44] <dantti> 4:4.4.9-0ubuntu1~
[19:46] <_Groo_> dantti: thats the old one, you DONT need akonadi to use kmail, its optional
[19:46] <_Groo_> dantti: run kmail from the command line and see what it says
[19:47] <dantti> _Groo_: kmail runs but when I try to setup my email account the akonadi thing shows saing that some stuff is not running and the only button closes kmail
[19:48] <_Groo_> can you remove akonadi? with purge?
[19:48] <_Groo_> just for testing purposes
[19:48] <dantti> _Groo_: which package? last time I tried it tried to remove more things
[19:49] <_Groo_> dantti: ok, run akonadiconsole
[19:50] <_Groo_> dantti: does it show anything in the browser tab?
[19:50] <dantti> _Groo_: http://pastebin.com/tWPHyLCF
[19:51] <_Groo_> dantti: remove /home/daniel/.local/share/akonadi
[19:51] <_Groo_> try again
[19:52] <dantti> _Groo_: same issue
[19:57] <_Groo_> dantti: your akonadi install is broken, thats for sure
[19:57] <_Groo_> pastebin the version of kmail, akonadi, nepomuk and kdelibs
[20:00] <dantti> _Groo_: http://pastebin.com/hzQpgNn5
[20:03] <_Groo_> dantti: all *akonadi* packages pls
[20:10] <dantti> _Groo_: sorry for the delay http://pastebin.com/8Rmdgqb3
[20:12] <_Groo_> dantti: pt ou br?
[20:13] <dantti> br
[20:13] <_Groo_> dantti: kdepim-runtime version? paste here, its one liner
[20:13] <_Groo_> entao veio
[20:13] <_Groo_> tem alguma coisa errada com o teu akonadi
[20:14] <dantti> 4:4.4.9-0ubuntu1~
[20:14] <dantti> _Groo_: probably because I remember trying to get rid of it
[20:14] <dantti> isn't there more files to remove?
[20:14] <_Groo_> probably
[20:15] <_Groo_> you broken akonadi, and consequently kmail
[20:15] <_Groo_> force remove with dpkg -r --force-all packages
[20:15] <dantti> :( need to go now, thanks for the help... :P
[20:15] <_Groo_> all libakonadi, and all kdepim stuff
[20:15] <dantti> cya
[20:15] <_Groo_> and let apt-get -f install remake it
[20:44] <ScottK> Gonna upload qt4-x11 to build against gcc4.5 on armel again.
[22:43] <ScottK> qt4-x11 uploaded.