[00:08] <FloridaGuy> is nvidia working yet in 11.04 ?
[00:09] <Daekdroom> FloridaGuy, nvidia-current is
[00:10] <FloridaGuy> Daekdroom: witch is 260.19 right
[00:10] <Daekdroom> !info nvidia-current
[00:10] <Daekdroom> 270.29
[00:11] <FloridaGuy> what was the comemand to upgrade
[00:11] <FloridaGuy> from 10.10
[00:12] <Daekdroom> sudo do-release-upgrade -d or gksu update-manager -d
[00:12] <Daekdroom> The later has a GUI
[00:12] <FloridaGuy> or is there a cd yet for 11.04
[00:12] <arand> Have they enabled those atm?
[00:12] <Daekdroom> !daily
[00:21] <FloridaGuy> now the 64 bit version of maverick ran good with a gig of ram...i just added another gig..so im at 2gig ram as of now...will the 64 run any better
[00:24] <FloridaGuy> alternate install CD is the same will do net install or CD install ?? or is it just cd install
[00:51] <charlie-tca> alternate install cd is a cd install using a text installer instead of a GUI
[00:51] <charlie-tca> desktop cd uses a GUI installer and works as a live cd
[00:51] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: you lost a memo
[00:51] <BUGabundo> we no longer call it "desktop"
[00:51] <charlie-tca> What is it now?
[00:52] <charlie-tca> mine are desktop
[00:52] <BUGabundo> _just_ Ubuntu
[00:52] <BUGabundo> and Ubuntu Server
[00:52] <Severian> FloridaGuy, Can you rephrase your second question?  It does not quite make sense.  In regards to the first question, with 2 gig of ram, I would say uou should stay with the 32 bit version.  64 bit is good when you have more than 3.5 gb of ram.
[00:52] <BUGabundo> Severian: its more complex then that
[00:52] <BUGabundo> that's the _simple_ case
[00:52] <BUGabundo> looking only at RAM amount
[00:52] <BUGabundo> you have to consider CPU support
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and what kind of operations will be performed
[00:53] <Severian> Sure, there are other factors.  But, my recommendation stands unless he says something about some 64 bit feature he needs.
[00:53] <charlie-tca> the name has not changed. I still have desktop images in current - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[00:53] <BUGabundo> 64bits archs do use more RAM due to bigger registares
[00:53] <BUGabundo> BUT it may also be faster for some operations
[00:53] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:53] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: should change soon, then
[00:53] <charlie-tca> apparently, the build team hasn't implemented the memo yet either
[00:54] <Severian> BUGabundo, the larger ram use is one reason I avoid the 64 bit version on low ram systems.
[00:54] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I bet the name doesn't change, as far as dailies are concerned
[00:54] <BUGabundo> who knows
[00:55] <Severian> The alternate installer is also more flexible in terms of filesystems available for the install.  It creates more secure systems, because you can encrypt your swap partition.
[00:55]  * charlie-tca will try to remember the desktop cd is now the cd, and the other one is the alternate cd
[00:57] <Severian> But, the alternate installer for alpha 1, 2, and 3 on Natty are all broken.  So, maybe beta1 will work.  I normally only use the alternate installer, and so I can't test very well this cycle, so far.
[00:57] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: LOOOOOOOL
[00:57] <charlie-tca> um, alternate installer worked for everybody testing the images
[00:58] <FloridaGuy> Severian: i was asking if the alternate cd is both net and cd install..or if it installs just from the cd....or is there a net install for 11.04
[00:59] <Severian> I am looking for some help in terminology in regards to Unity.  I have had the taskbar at the top and the Unity icon bar on the left disappear multiple times.  It renders the system pretty unusable, but I don't know the correct names so I can look for prior reported bugs.
[01:00] <charlie-tca> reported bugs are against either compiz or unity
[01:01] <Severian> The alternate CD installer has most things on the CD, but does seem to go to the network, if it is available.  The net installer needs the network.  There is a daily image of the net install, or there was one last week, anyway.
[01:02] <Severian> charlie-tca, There are lots of unity bugs.  I don't know what pieces some of them refer to.  I want to get the right one, but don't know the right terms.
[01:02] <charlie-tca> The thing on top is the panel
[01:03] <charlie-tca> the thing on the left used to be the "dock", but might be the bookmark or quick-launcher now
[01:03] <Severian> OK, thank you.
[01:03] <charlie-tca> good luck, the names do not seem very stable
[01:18] <hunterm> the link to the natty beta 1 is broken
[01:21] <BUGabundo> night guys
[01:38] <FloridaGuy> !netinstall
[02:04] <Daekdroom> I believe libdconf0 is preventing my X server from coming up.
[02:04] <Daekdroom> I removed it
[02:11] <Amaranth> Daekdroom: That won't end well
[02:11] <Daekdroom> Amaranth, yeah, I noticed my Unity settings were reset to default.
[02:12] <Daekdroom> So I rushed to reinstall it xD
[02:21] <charlie-tca> Is there a way to export bookmarks in Firefox 4.0 (Natty)?
[02:23] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, to another FF install?
[02:24] <Daekdroom> There is a Firefox Sync extension I think
[02:24] <charlie-tca> no, to a different browser
[02:24] <charlie-tca> Used to be able to export as html. Seems like ff is now acting like IE, with no way to export bookmarks
[02:25] <yofel> charlie-tca: the bookmark manager has html export here
[02:25] <charlie-tca> How do I get to it?
[02:25] <psusi> who wants to help make booting faster? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686699
[02:26] <yofel> bookmarks -> show all bookmarks
[02:26] <psusi> you know you want to!
[02:27] <charlie-tca> yofel: Thank you. I seem to have lost that.
[02:27] <yofel> charlie-tca: then entry is missing o.O?
[02:27] <charlie-tca> No, my brain lost it
[02:27] <yofel> ah, heh
[02:27] <charlie-tca> midori now has import html bookmarks
[02:28] <charlie-tca> I have to try it again
[03:27] <magn3ts> Anyone get Unity working in Ubuntu host VirtualBox with accel yet?
[04:32] <soreau> When starting natty, unity starts and makes all windows disappear
[04:34] <soreau> If I stop gdm and startx, I can get compiz working fine
[04:34] <soreau> but after starting unity, all windows are gone and there's nothing but a cursor and wallpaper
[04:40] <soreau> even trying to start any X app from tty works but does not appear in X
[05:14] <androidbruce> soreau, i'm in the process of installing alpha 3 in vmwareplayer
[05:14] <androidbruce> i'll let you know
[06:14] <r000t> Guys, the link for Beta 1 on the Wiki page is broken
[06:14] <r000t> for all versions
[06:15] <r000t> Also am I the only person to notice that it reverted to how it looked in 2008?
[06:16] <jbicha> what do you mean broken? Beta 1 hasn't been released yet
[06:17] <r000t> There are links to it on the wiki page
[06:17] <r000t> let me link the page
[06:17] <r000t> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[06:30] <jbicha> that wiki page is used as a staging area for what will become the release notes
[06:30] <jbicha> see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 for instance
[06:31] <r000t> Also is there a reason it looks like 9.04?
[06:32] <jbicha> what do you mean looks like 9.04?
[06:33] <r000t> everything is grey
[06:33] <r000t> old icons
[06:33] <r000t> blocky
[06:33] <r000t> Like Windows 2k grey
[07:03] <arand> r000t: metcity theme engine isn't working as it should, as to why, I don't know.
[07:04] <arand> or gtk2-theme, or along that line
[07:19] <Fudge> what kernel is natty shipping with in beta2 plz
[07:24] <jbicha> 2.6.38
[07:27] <Fudge> wiked, from 37 speakup-source is included
[07:27] <Fudge> is it possible to install stuff such as speechd-up into the alternate cd to then use speakup to install
[07:28] <Fudge> or should i ask in #ubuntu, not here
[08:22] <larsemil> is unity geting any more stable?
[08:24] <nlsthzn> larsemil: seems so
[08:24] <nlsthzn> mine has been uber stable since yesterday morning
[08:25] <larsemil> 2d or 3d?
[08:27] <arand> larsemil: my 2d in kvm is still whacko (though it is not targeted for natty anyways).
[08:27] <larsemil> arand: okej. and 3d has support for other cards then intel now?
[08:50] <twager> !nvidia
[09:58] <badpenguin86> In unity, some of my windows are not getting "decorated", so they show up at the top leftmost place on the screen, under the statusbar
[10:06] <mungojerry>  software-center is crashing (core dump, won't start) in natty since about tuesday. is there anything i can remove/purge to clean it up ?
[10:16] <geser> mungojerry: the problem is known (bug 259219), workaround: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 software-center
[10:17] <mungojerry> geser: that fixed it, thanks...thought it was just me
[12:47] <FloridaGuy> 11.04   try opening dolphin....( Configuration file "/home/mike/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc" not writable.Please contact your system administrator.)
[12:49] <FloridaGuy> then sudo dolphin....  unnamed app(4196): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "//bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed." unnamed app(4195): KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[12:58] <FloridaGuy> Fixed the 1st  problem but still trying to figure the 2nd
[13:04] <doodoo> i have a laptop eith ATI card. can i run natyy on it?thanks
[13:07] <FloridaGuy> doodoo: dont see why not
[13:08] <doodoo> ok i will try
[13:48] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:21] <Daekdroom> How do I reset the Unity launcher?
[14:45] <shaneo> can someone help me with the samba4 error
[14:46] <kim0> Hi everyone, everytime I apt-get upgrade my nm-applet dies. Is this a known bug
[14:49] <robin0800> kim0, try aptitude
[14:49] <mndo> hello
[14:49] <kim0> why
[14:49] <mndo> yesterday night i tested the lastest natty alpha and the oxygen theme for gtk don't work as good as the screenshots from kde.org
[14:49] <mndo> any ideas?
[14:49] <kim0> isn't that deprecated
[14:50] <robin0800> kim0, apt-get is older
[14:51] <kim0> well it still shouldn't be doing that. I expect most users to be using apt-get, so if that problem is real, it's a serious one
[14:52] <robin0800> kim0, both work here
[14:52] <kim0> It breaks at "Processing triggers for python-support ..."
[14:53] <robin0800> kim0, try changing server
[14:53] <kim0> can I know exactly what that step does
[14:54] <robin0800> kim0, whats the error message?
[14:55] <kim0> robin0800: no error .. nm-applet just disappears from the tray, disconnecting my network
[14:55] <kim0> I start it manually, it works
[14:55] <kim0> and breaks on the next apt-get upgrade
[14:55] <kim0> this is every single time
[14:56] <shaneo> my apt-get works fine except for the samba 4 bug
[14:57] <robin0800> kim0, something is clearly broken but what I don’t know and can not help any more
[14:57] <kim0> thanks
[15:05] <BluesKaj> strange that I can smb thru the workgroup to wife's W7 pc , but when I try to add a network folder using "windows network drive" , I get the "unable to connect to server" message . I was able to do so on maverick , but not on natty
[15:07]  * BluesKaj is not samba gui fan I prefer the smbclient (and don't tell me they are the same ..I prefer the network folder method to samba)
[15:08]  * patdk-wk is totally confused as to what you perfer
[15:08] <patdk-wk> smbclient is text based, not gui, and network folders is gui
[15:08] <patdk-wk> and samba is not gui on any level
[15:17] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, let's not get into defintions here , i just prefer using the network folder appraoch , due to the faster copying of files , if I could use scp/ssh I would , but it's not possible without using putty or some other clunky app.
[15:18] <patdk-wk> I didn't even talk about that
[15:18] <patdk-wk> I just dunno what your using at all, cause you described 3 different ways to use samba, dunno why you even bothered to mix up scp/ssh into it
[15:19] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, are you talking to me ? if so , then nevermind ..i'm not gonna waste my time with you
[15:23] <pasq> hi all
[15:24] <pasq> could someone tell me pls, if the 100.04 setup supports LVM?
[15:36] <patdk-wk> probably won't
[15:36] <patdk-wk> but 10.04 does
[15:37] <patdk-wk> but this is the 11.04 channel
[15:39] <pasq> yes i know, i solved the problem, thnx patdk-wk
[16:21] <r000t> How do I force it to use unity?
[16:22] <Daekdroom> r000t, it should use unity by default.
[16:22] <Daekdroom> If it's not, your graphic drivers don't allow it.
[16:22] <r000t> Is there any circumstance in which it would want to use GNOME panel?
[16:22] <r000t> And does running it in a VM change that at all?
[16:23] <Daekdroom> Yes. Usually while running a VM, you don't have enough 2D/3D acceleration capabilities.
[16:24] <r000t> So how are people testing Unity without... blowing up a perfectly good Ubuntu install?
[16:27] <Daekdroom> r000t, they install it in a different partition.
[16:28] <Daekdroom> Or blow up a perfectly good Ubuntu install, like I did
[16:28] <r000t> You sir, have balls of steel
[16:28] <Daekdroom> I'm used to not having X starting every once in awhile.
[16:32] <donri> will I be able to move the unity "dock" in natty?
[16:32] <donri> e.g. to the bottom
[16:32] <Daekdroom> donri, still not possible
[16:32] <Daekdroom> and I haven't read about any plans of doing that
[16:34] <r000t> Yeah I noticed the menu change too.... There's gotta be a way to change that back to normal, Linux is all about customization, and I think some people will hate the fact that their OS is trying to be MacOSX
[16:35] <donri> menu change?
[16:35] <r000t> The File Edit Window etc
[16:36] <r000t> is now on the gnome panel
[16:36] <donri> i like gnome's lack of excessive customization points, but unity as it stands is looking a bit rigid even by gnome standards
[16:36] <r000t> not on the window
[16:38] <Daekdroom> It's not gnome panel anymore ;)
[16:38] <Daekdroom> and yes, Unity is very rigid
[16:38] <Daekdroom> Currently, it doesn't accept any kind of themeing except for the panel.
[16:39] <Daekdroom> but there are bug reports already and they're planing it.
[16:39] <donri> i get the 'its new tech' thing but seems rigidness is a philosophy, not simply a lack of code
[16:39] <r000t> And there's two programs I stay far away from: X and GRUB. I leave them be. GRUB especially is very very very fragile in my experience and if one little thing goes wrong during any sort of upgrade BOOM unbootable.
[16:39] <Daekdroom> donri, unfortunately I have to agree. The Launcher and the Dash are all done on images.
[16:39] <Daekdroom> Images!
[16:40] <donri> o_O
[16:40] <r000t> So they aren't drawn?
[16:41] <Daekdroom> r000t, precisely. Try using fullscreen Dash and you'll notice it's slooow
[16:41] <r000t> I can't, but why would it be slow? Resize?
[16:42] <Daekdroom> No idea.
[16:42] <Daekdroom> But if it's worked on, it's possible to give it customizability. (altho I believe writing a GTK+ theme is easier than creating all images)
[16:42] <r000t> And I think FeatureFreeze is when them adding moving functionality stopped being allowed for this release
[16:42] <Daekdroom> Nope. They're still adding features to Unity.
[16:43] <Daekdroom> UserInterfaceFreeze is the one that is going to stop it all
[16:43] <r000t> When's that?
[16:43] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[16:43] <r000t> k
[16:43] <Daekdroom> March 24th
[16:43] <donri> something that scares me about both unity and gnome shell is neither seem to really be gtk
[16:44] <donri> throwing out all kinds of accessibility and desktop integration
[16:44] <Daekdroom> Gnome shell is GTK3.
[16:44] <penguin42> yeh, the scroll bar iin unity is shockingly bad
[16:44] <donri> is it really though? isn't a lot of it html/css?
[16:44] <Daekdroom> There are 2 or 3 themes for it, despite themeing not being officially supported.
[16:44] <Daekdroom> It's CSS + images
[16:44] <Daekdroom> But all GTK3 themeing can be done o CSS too
[16:44] <Daekdroom> *on
[16:44] <donri> is it really using gtk for widgets?
[16:45] <Daekdroom> I believe it is
[16:45] <danyR> gnome-shell is using heavy javascript :)
[16:45] <danyR> penguin42: scrollbar in the dash will still use some love before UI freeze
[16:46] <Daekdroom> Fortunately the Dash scrollbar is now controllable through mouse scrollwheel
[16:48] <penguin42> ah good, that was missing last week
[16:50] <donri> that's an example of what i mean with "not gtk"
[16:50] <donri> if you have to specifically implement scroll, something is wrong :P
[16:50] <Daekdroom> We're talking about Unity, tho.
[16:50] <Daekdroom> Which is barely GTK, indeed.
[16:52] <danyR> Unity is mostly Nux :)
[16:53] <danyR> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18413/what-is-nux-and-whats-it-used-for
[16:54] <penguin42> sigh, yet another toolkit
[16:54] <Daekdroom> I feel I'm eventually moving to gnome shell.
[17:19] <coz_> hey all
[17:24] <penguin42> hey
[17:43] <badpenguin86> In Unity, my windows are not getting "decorated", and they show up in the top leftmost corner of the screen. How do I fix it?
[17:45] <Daekdroom> badpenguin86, you mean they show up on the panel?
[17:50] <badpenguin86> Daekdroom, here is a pic http://ubuntuone.com/p/hFZ/
[17:51] <Daekdroom> badpenguin86, compiz crashed
[17:51] <badpenguin86> Daekdroom, How do I restart it?
[17:51] <Daekdroom> badpenguin86, use that nautilus to go to /usr/bin and run compiz
[17:56] <badpenguin86> Daekdroom, That didn't work
[17:57] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[17:57] <Daekdroom> Is it like that all the time?
[17:57] <robin0800> badpenguin86, compiz --replace
[17:59] <badpenguin86> just started being like this
[17:59] <badpenguin86> using open source nvidia drivers
[17:59] <badpenguin86> i use compiz --replace and it crashes immediately
[18:00] <penguin42> badpenguin86: Fallback to metacity - metacity --replace &
[18:01] <Daekdroom> penguin42, I thought metacity didn't work with unity..
[18:01] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Probably true - but if compiz is crashing you don't have much choice
[18:03] <badpenguin86> well, that sorta did something, but I gotta reboot, it's kinda crazy lol
[18:06] <robin0800> penguin42, with no compiz the choices are classic desktop or install unity 2d
[18:06] <badpenguin86_> Everything is working except the decorations.. Maybe I messed something up in CCSM
[18:06] <Daekdroom> open source nvidia drivers aren't exactly ready for unity.
[18:06] <Daekdroom> I believe you need to have libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed
[18:07] <Daekdroom> and even with that package I've seen people that couldn't run unity
[18:07] <robin0800> Daekdroom, neither is gallium in my opinion
[18:07] <badpenguin86_> Daekdroom, K, will try that
[18:07] <Daekdroom> robin0800, without gallium, he can't run unity at all.
[18:07] <Daekdroom> It's worth a shot atleast, no matter how.. not prepared it is
[18:08] <vivid> what gpu is it?
[18:08] <badpenguin86_> what is gallium?
[18:08] <badpenguin86_> nvm, is ATI card. My bad
[18:08] <Daekdroom> then that package isn't going to make any difference.
[18:08] <robin0800> badpenguin86_, the new ati driver
[18:09] <badpenguin86_> ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[18:10] <penguin42> Radeon drivers also seem to be very touchy
[18:10] <badpenguin86_> Restricted drivers don't show anything to enable, although it used to
[18:11] <Daekdroom> the radeon binary driver is not working with 11.04 for now
[18:11] <badpenguin86_> Daekdroom, Hmm, so what should I do? It was working with alpha 3, then I updated it, and that's what broke it
[18:12] <vivid> try reinstalling the driver
[18:12] <Daekdroom> I meant the binary driver. The one that you get through restricted drivers.
[18:12] <vivid> ati isnt very good for driver support
[18:12] <Daekdroom> The opensource one you're probably using should be alright
[18:12] <penguin42> badpenguin86_: You could try one or more of 1) The drm-next kernel daily packages , or xorg-edgers ppa with blleding edge X
[18:13] <badpenguin86_> vivid, do I dpkg --reconfigure
[18:13] <vivid> dpkg-reconfigure <package> iirc
[18:13] <r000t> What is Ubuntu 10.04.02?
[18:13] <vivid> lucid lynx lts
[18:14] <Daekdroom> r000t, it's 10.04 with all updates until the date in which 10.04.2 was released.
[18:15] <badpenguin86_> vivid, I tried that and will reboot
[18:16] <twager> !nvidia
[18:16] <Daekdroom> The nvidia 270.19 is.
[18:16] <Daekdroom> (installable)
[18:17] <vivid> i think 270.30 is now fully compatible with xorg 1.10
[18:17] <vivid> and maybe the 260.19.44 non-beta
[18:18] <Daekdroom> !info nvidia-current
[18:19] <vivid> that version still requires ignore abi iirc
[18:19] <badpenguin86> Reconfiguring the drivers didn't work
[18:22] <vivid> badpenguin86, the solution for ati cards and bleeding systems is buying an nvidia card o.O
[18:22] <twager> I just installed restricted driver for nvidia and all is well.
[18:22] <badpenguin86> vivid, Lol. Hard to do with a laptop. :) Switching back to classic desktop
[18:24] <badpenguin86> At least classic desktop works.
[18:24] <vivid> more research on the laptop you buy.....get one with an MXM slot
[18:25] <vivid> next time, anyway
[18:25] <robin0800> badpenguin86, install unity 2d
[18:26] <badpenguin86> robin0800, Eh, I will just use classic until ATI gets off there butts lol
[18:27] <robin0800> badpenguin86, I think its great you should at least give it a try
[18:27] <yofel> vivid: we don't have xserver 1.10 final yet, and 270.29 works fine with our rc2
[18:27] <vivid> badpenguin86, this is a classic ati problem, your best bet is to use the open source ati driver
[18:27] <vivid> yofel, right, with ignore abi
[18:27] <yofel> vivid: without
[18:28] <yofel> 29 is incompatible with final though, same as 30 is incompatible with rc2
[18:28] <vivid> what about the new stable release? 260.19.44
[18:28] <yofel> no idea, I just use what we have in natty
[18:28] <yofel> but I'm pretty certain they won't downgrade the driver
[18:29] <vivid> 270 should be official soon enough anyway
[18:29] <yofel> indeed
[18:30] <badpenguin86_> robin0800, Downloading it now
[18:33] <vivid> !info unity-2d
[18:34] <badpenguin86> robin0800, It is ok. Not quite the same though
[20:16] <tzaeru> hi. tried to update to 11.4, and when updating xorg, ran into this: http://tinypaste.com/90106 basically it's a bunch of dependency problems in style of E: xserver-xorg-video-geode: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[20:17] <magn3ts> Anyone got Natty running in a VirtualBox VM yet?
[20:18] <yofel> tzaeru: something went wrong when configuring keyboard-configuration, can you open a terminal and run sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[20:18] <tzaeru> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[20:18] <tzaeru> ooooh.
[20:19] <tzaeru> well. apparently.. closing firefox fixed it
[20:19] <tzaeru> not the upgrade, but the locking :P
[20:22] <penguin42> odd
[20:22] <tzaeru> http://pastebin.com/XRYzsd2E
[20:22] <tzaeru> a lot of not-configured all I can see.
[20:23] <penguin42> tzaeru: OK, the important error is the 1st one
[20:24] <Omega> On my login screen I see a user named 'proxy,' I don't know how it got there, I don't know the password and it does not show up in Users and Groups.
[20:24] <penguin42> tzaeru: Do you have the console-setup package and /bin/setupcon ?
[20:24] <penguin42> Omega: Do you have squid installed?
[20:24] <GaryD> If I install nouveau-firmware on natty will it fix the issue of nouveau drivers not displaying all colors. My screen looks "grayed" out and most things are unidentifiable. If not, how can I use xserver-xorg-video-nv instead of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?
[20:25] <tzaeru> penguin42, no, installing
[20:26] <Omega> penguin42: No, but I do have polipo installed, might it be the one causing this?
[20:26] <penguin42> tzaeru: OK, can you file a bug against keyboard-configuration ? Include that dpkg error log - the problem sounds like it's missing the dependency on console-setup
[20:26] <penguin42> Omega: Yeh I bet it adds a user for it
[20:27] <Omega> penguin42: Thanks. :)
[20:28] <tzaeru> penguin42, ooh! my first bug report.
[20:28] <tzaeru> aside of some wine reports. neat. yeah, sure.
[20:31] <lcb> Omega, i'm curious. what is the kb config issue? i'm asking because i had one yesterday and i managed in solving it, with the help of yofel
[20:32] <Omega> lcb: kb config issue?
[20:33] <lcb> omega, sorry. looks like it is from tzaeru
[20:33] <Omega> Ah, no problem.
[20:34] <GaryD> Has anyone found a way to make proprietary nvidia drivers work?
[20:34] <bjsnider> they do work
[20:36] <GaryD> bjsnider: not 173. There is a missing dependency. xserver-video-abi-8.0
[20:36] <nlsthzn> any ideas why firefox seems to push my CPU to run at almost 100% load the whole time? :/
[20:36] <lcb> nlsthzn, too many extras (or one that takes a lot of load)?
[20:36] <GaryD> bjsnider: ...and I can't figure out how to use the nv driver instead of nouveau.
[20:37] <nlsthzn> lcb: I do have a lot of pages open sure... but I have not enabled any add-ons (so I can understand all the memory it uses, but not the CPU load)
[20:38] <nlsthzn> ... then again, maybe it is something else... CPU just went balistic again (and system monitor, top and htop doesn't show the culprit) QQ
[20:39] <tzaeru> and I promptly forgot to in any way indicate in the summary or tags that it was for natty
[20:39] <tzaeru> well. guess that doesn't.. matter that much now.
[20:41] <bjsnider> GaryD, the 173 could be rebuilt against the new x-server, and it would load but it doesn't work. it will not work until nvidia releases an update, probably at the end of the natty development cycle in april. you will need to abandon the effort and use another driver, like vesa or nouveau
[20:42] <tzaeru> all fingers grossed, here goes reboot. :)
[20:45] <GaryD> bjsnider: i'm using nouveau, but my screen is "grayed" out, like it has a film on it.the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver has always worked for my graphics card. i will do with that until nvidia updates, but I can't figure out how to use the driver after I install it. nouveau always loads instead.
[20:46] <bjsnider> you can create a xorg.conf and put "driver" "nv" in it i suppose
[20:46] <bjsnider> but that is obfuscated by nvidia. it hasn't been touched in a long time
[20:49] <GaryD> OK, but how can I make the xorg.conf? killing X and running Xorg -configure gave me errors.
[20:50] <lcb> nlsthzn, a lot of tabs open helps increasing the load of it of course. there are a lot of tweaks on the net to improve  firefox performance, if you google it. try to do on advanced search and check latest 'posts' on it. there are a couple addons for the same effect. iḿ running chromium after years of firefox and to be honest, without any conflict of interests, i'm liking chromium...
[20:50] <lcb> oops.. that was a testament... sorry guys.
[20:51] <nlsthzn> lcb: closed all tabs now... same load (even got it to go up without FF so might not be FF but something else)... thx any how :)
[20:51] <lcb> nlsthzn, hmm, i'm using it now with alpha updated/graded and looks fine/normal.
[20:52] <lcb> with natty, i mean
[20:52] <nlsthzn> I am a few hours worth of updates behind...
[20:52] <nlsthzn> oh well... thx... let me update and stuff again :D
[20:53] <lcb> :)
[20:53] <magn3ts> God Natty is looking sweet.
[20:53] <magn3ts> new Network manager in 11.10
[20:53] <magn3ts> Gonna be sweeeeeet.
[20:55] <GaryD> thanks all. I have something to try. section 2.6 of the lubuntu faq.
[20:59] <magn3ts> control center is back too?
[20:59] <magn3ts> wwooooow
[21:00] <tzaeru> well. didn't reboot..
[21:01] <tzaeru> first off it says 'fb hw usage conflict radeondrmfb vs. VEGA VGA' and then afterwards it gives an error /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs: file not found.
[21:01] <tzaeru> after that it doesn't continue to terminal
[21:01] <tzaeru> just stops there
[21:02] <tzaeru> doesn't hang tho.
[21:11] <guntbert> any reports about install problems with the current daily? Several packages "in a broken state"
[21:16] <GaryD> No good. Still a gray screen, and no xorg.conf file in root or /etc/X11/.
[21:19] <tzaeru> oh, it does boot to terminal. just need to alt+f away
[21:20] <tzaeru> um. gdm is what gnome is ought to use, right?
[21:20] <tzaeru> or what usually packs with ubuntu that is
[21:42] <GaryD> right
[21:43] <GaryD> I am actually on Lubuntu. However I have seen a lot of the same problem.
[21:44] <GaryD> However, There were 2 devices and 2 cards in my /root/xorg.conf.new. I have removed the extra stuff and copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Hope it works.
[21:49] <tzaeru> interesting - ati drivers weren't installed. well. this works now. for now, that is.. :>
[21:49] <tzaeru> suicidal time and ppa for the drivers so I can get WebGL properly work
[21:49] <tzaeru> or shaders actually, but only webgl apps seem to throw that particular problem
[23:46] <yfk> how can I use Update to OpenOffice on Natty with the use of apt?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> yfk: we now use libreoffice
[23:47] <penguin42> yfk: Natty has LibreOffice now, if you install natty and keep it up to date you'll have the latest version on Natty
[23:48] <yfk> penguin42, you mean libre
[23:48] <penguin42> yfk: Yes
[23:48] <yfk> I don't want libre
[23:49] <yfk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
[23:49] <penguin42> yfk: Why not?
[23:49] <yfk> it doesn't show .doc files as good
[23:50] <penguin42> interesting - file that as a bug, preferably with an example .doc file - it should!
[23:50] <yfk> it displays them.. only not as good
[23:50] <yfk> OO is not perfect at this neither
[23:50] <penguin42> still a bug
[23:51] <yfk> one of OO's main problems it imperfect support of MSFT office formats
[23:51] <penguin42> it's a really difficult problem
[23:51] <yfk> their claim is that the formats are rombunctious to begin with, perhaps intentionally
[23:52] <yfk> anyways. OO is probably the best software that can run natively on linux. you should add the option
[23:52] <yfk> not as default but to the repositories
[23:54] <penguin42> yfk: My feeling is that lo will get fixed quicker
[23:55] <penguin42> yfk: If you have a .doc that you can share with them and show bad rendering then I think it would be good
[23:58] <yfk> the one that I've noticed this from was from a friend of mine so I can't give that away. I'm pretty sure a test on some .doc files (like is probably done) yields better results with oo. BTW, It's development is govermentaly supported here (Israel) as an alternative to MSFT. Choosing not to use OO due to the SUN ownership thing is probably a bad idea as a whole
[23:59] <yfk> by not to use I mean restricting to Libre