FloridaGuyis nvidia working yet in 11.04 ?00:08
DaekdroomFloridaGuy, nvidia-current is00:09
FloridaGuyDaekdroom: witch is 260.19 right00:10
Daekdroom!info nvidia-current00:10
ubottunvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 270.29-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 27804 kB, installed size 81372 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)00:10
FloridaGuywhat was the comemand to upgrade00:11
FloridaGuyfrom 10.1000:11
Daekdroomsudo do-release-upgrade -d or gksu update-manager -d00:12
DaekdroomThe later has a GUI00:12
FloridaGuyor is there a cd yet for 11.0400:12
arandHave they enabled those atm?00:12
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/00:12
FloridaGuynow the 64 bit version of maverick ran good with a gig of ram...i just added another gig..so im at 2gig ram as of now...will the 64 run any better00:21
FloridaGuyalternate install CD is the same will do net install or CD install ?? or is it just cd install00:24
charlie-tcaalternate install cd is a cd install using a text installer instead of a GUI00:51
charlie-tcadesktop cd uses a GUI installer and works as a live cd00:51
BUGabundocharlie-tca: you lost a memo00:51
BUGabundowe no longer call it "desktop"00:51
charlie-tcaWhat is it now?00:51
charlie-tcamine are desktop00:52
BUGabundo_just_ Ubuntu00:52
BUGabundoand Ubuntu Server00:52
SeverianFloridaGuy, Can you rephrase your second question?  It does not quite make sense.  In regards to the first question, with 2 gig of ram, I would say uou should stay with the 32 bit version.  64 bit is good when you have more than 3.5 gb of ram.00:52
BUGabundoSeverian: its more complex then that00:52
BUGabundothat's the _simple_ case00:52
BUGabundolooking only at RAM amount00:52
BUGabundoyou have to consider CPU support00:52
BUGabundoand what kind of operations will be performed00:53
SeverianSure, there are other factors.  But, my recommendation stands unless he says something about some 64 bit feature he needs.00:53
charlie-tcathe name has not changed. I still have desktop images in current - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64+mac.iso00:53
BUGabundo64bits archs do use more RAM due to bigger registares00:53
BUGabundoBUT it may also be faster for some operations00:53
BUGabundocharlie-tca: should change soon, then00:53
charlie-tcaapparently, the build team hasn't implemented the memo yet either00:53
SeverianBUGabundo, the larger ram use is one reason I avoid the 64 bit version on low ram systems.00:54
charlie-tcaBUGabundo: I bet the name doesn't change, as far as dailies are concerned00:54
BUGabundowho knows00:54
SeverianThe alternate installer is also more flexible in terms of filesystems available for the install.  It creates more secure systems, because you can encrypt your swap partition.00:55
* charlie-tca will try to remember the desktop cd is now the cd, and the other one is the alternate cd00:55
SeverianBut, the alternate installer for alpha 1, 2, and 3 on Natty are all broken.  So, maybe beta1 will work.  I normally only use the alternate installer, and so I can't test very well this cycle, so far.00:57
BUGabundocharlie-tca: LOOOOOOOL00:57
charlie-tcaum, alternate installer worked for everybody testing the images00:57
FloridaGuySeverian: i was asking if the alternate cd is both net and cd install..or if it installs just from the cd....or is there a net install for 11.0400:58
SeverianI am looking for some help in terminology in regards to Unity.  I have had the taskbar at the top and the Unity icon bar on the left disappear multiple times.  It renders the system pretty unusable, but I don't know the correct names so I can look for prior reported bugs.00:59
charlie-tcareported bugs are against either compiz or unity01:00
SeverianThe alternate CD installer has most things on the CD, but does seem to go to the network, if it is available.  The net installer needs the network.  There is a daily image of the net install, or there was one last week, anyway.01:01
Severiancharlie-tca, There are lots of unity bugs.  I don't know what pieces some of them refer to.  I want to get the right one, but don't know the right terms.01:02
charlie-tcaThe thing on top is the panel01:02
charlie-tcathe thing on the left used to be the "dock", but might be the bookmark or quick-launcher now01:03
SeverianOK, thank you.01:03
charlie-tcagood luck, the names do not seem very stable01:03
huntermthe link to the natty beta 1 is broken01:18
BUGabundonight guys01:21
ubottuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate01:38
DaekdroomI believe libdconf0 is preventing my X server from coming up.02:04
DaekdroomI removed it02:04
AmaranthDaekdroom: That won't end well02:11
DaekdroomAmaranth, yeah, I noticed my Unity settings were reset to default.02:11
DaekdroomSo I rushed to reinstall it xD02:12
charlie-tcaIs there a way to export bookmarks in Firefox 4.0 (Natty)?02:21
Daekdroomcharlie-tca, to another FF install?02:23
DaekdroomThere is a Firefox Sync extension I think02:24
charlie-tcano, to a different browser02:24
charlie-tcaUsed to be able to export as html. Seems like ff is now acting like IE, with no way to export bookmarks02:24
yofelcharlie-tca: the bookmark manager has html export here02:25
charlie-tcaHow do I get to it?02:25
psusiwho wants to help make booting faster? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168669902:25
yofelbookmarks -> show all bookmarks02:26
psusiyou know you want to!02:26
charlie-tcayofel: Thank you. I seem to have lost that.02:27
yofelcharlie-tca: then entry is missing o.O?02:27
charlie-tcaNo, my brain lost it02:27
yofelah, heh02:27
charlie-tcamidori now has import html bookmarks02:27
charlie-tcaI have to try it again02:28
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magn3tsAnyone get Unity working in Ubuntu host VirtualBox with accel yet?03:27
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soreauWhen starting natty, unity starts and makes all windows disappear04:32
soreauIf I stop gdm and startx, I can get compiz working fine04:34
soreaubut after starting unity, all windows are gone and there's nothing but a cursor and wallpaper04:34
soreaueven trying to start any X app from tty works but does not appear in X04:40
androidbrucesoreau, i'm in the process of installing alpha 3 in vmwareplayer05:14
androidbrucei'll let you know05:14
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r000tGuys, the link for Beta 1 on the Wiki page is broken06:14
r000tfor all versions06:14
r000tAlso am I the only person to notice that it reverted to how it looked in 2008?06:15
jbichawhat do you mean broken? Beta 1 hasn't been released yet06:16
r000tThere are links to it on the wiki page06:17
r000tlet me link the page06:17
jbichathat wiki page is used as a staging area for what will become the release notes06:30
jbichasee http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 for instance06:30
r000tAlso is there a reason it looks like 9.04?06:31
jbichawhat do you mean looks like 9.04?06:32
r000teverything is grey06:33
r000told icons06:33
r000tLike Windows 2k grey06:33
arandr000t: metcity theme engine isn't working as it should, as to why, I don't know.07:03
arandor gtk2-theme, or along that line07:04
Fudgewhat kernel is natty shipping with in beta2 plz07:19
Fudgewiked, from 37 speakup-source is included07:27
Fudgeis it possible to install stuff such as speechd-up into the alternate cd to then use speakup to install07:27
Fudgeor should i ask in #ubuntu, not here07:28
larsemilis unity geting any more stable?08:22
nlsthznlarsemil: seems so08:24
nlsthznmine has been uber stable since yesterday morning08:24
larsemil2d or 3d?08:25
arandlarsemil: my 2d in kvm is still whacko (though it is not targeted for natty anyways).08:27
larsemilarand: okej. and 3d has support for other cards then intel now?08:27
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not currently be installable.08:50
badpenguin86In unity, some of my windows are not getting "decorated", so they show up at the top leftmost place on the screen, under the statusbar09:58
mungojerry software-center is crashing (core dump, won't start) in natty since about tuesday. is there anything i can remove/purge to clean it up ?10:06
gesermungojerry: the problem is known (bug 259219), workaround: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 software-center10:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259219 in mesa (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken TLS support in libGL.so" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25921910:16
mungojerrygeser: that fixed it, thanks...thought it was just me10:17
FloridaGuy11.04   try opening dolphin....( Configuration file "/home/mike/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc" not writable.Please contact your system administrator.)12:47
FloridaGuythen sudo dolphin....  unnamed app(4196): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "//bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: No protocol specified Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed." unnamed app(4195): KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.12:49
FloridaGuyFixed the 1st  problem but still trying to figure the 2nd12:58
doodooi have a laptop eith ATI card. can i run natyy on it?thanks13:04
FloridaGuydoodoo: dont see why not13:07
doodoook i will try13:08
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DaekdroomHow do I reset the Unity launcher?14:21
shaneocan someone help me with the samba4 error14:45
kim0Hi everyone, everytime I apt-get upgrade my nm-applet dies. Is this a known bug14:46
robin0800kim0, try aptitude14:49
mndoyesterday night i tested the lastest natty alpha and the oxygen theme for gtk don't work as good as the screenshots from kde.org14:49
mndoany ideas?14:49
kim0isn't that deprecated14:49
robin0800kim0, apt-get is older14:50
kim0well it still shouldn't be doing that. I expect most users to be using apt-get, so if that problem is real, it's a serious one14:51
robin0800kim0, both work here14:52
kim0It breaks at "Processing triggers for python-support ..."14:52
robin0800kim0, try changing server14:53
kim0can I know exactly what that step does14:53
robin0800kim0, whats the error message?14:54
kim0robin0800: no error .. nm-applet just disappears from the tray, disconnecting my network14:55
kim0I start it manually, it works14:55
kim0and breaks on the next apt-get upgrade14:55
kim0this is every single time14:55
shaneomy apt-get works fine except for the samba 4 bug14:56
robin0800kim0, something is clearly broken but what I don’t know and can not help any more14:57
BluesKajstrange that I can smb thru the workgroup to wife's W7 pc , but when I try to add a network folder using "windows network drive" , I get the "unable to connect to server" message . I was able to do so on maverick , but not on natty15:05
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* BluesKaj is not samba gui fan I prefer the smbclient (and don't tell me they are the same ..I prefer the network folder method to samba)15:07
* patdk-wk is totally confused as to what you perfer15:08
patdk-wksmbclient is text based, not gui, and network folders is gui15:08
patdk-wkand samba is not gui on any level15:08
BluesKajpatdk-wk, let's not get into defintions here , i just prefer using the network folder appraoch , due to the faster copying of files , if I could use scp/ssh I would , but it's not possible without using putty or some other clunky app.15:17
patdk-wkI didn't even talk about that15:18
patdk-wkI just dunno what your using at all, cause you described 3 different ways to use samba, dunno why you even bothered to mix up scp/ssh into it15:18
BluesKajpatdk-wk, are you talking to me ? if so , then nevermind ..i'm not gonna waste my time with you15:19
pasqhi all15:23
pasqcould someone tell me pls, if the 100.04 setup supports LVM?15:24
patdk-wkprobably won't15:36
patdk-wkbut 10.04 does15:36
patdk-wkbut this is the 11.04 channel15:37
pasqyes i know, i solved the problem, thnx patdk-wk15:39
r000tHow do I force it to use unity?16:21
Daekdroomr000t, it should use unity by default.16:22
DaekdroomIf it's not, your graphic drivers don't allow it.16:22
r000tIs there any circumstance in which it would want to use GNOME panel?16:22
r000tAnd does running it in a VM change that at all?16:22
DaekdroomYes. Usually while running a VM, you don't have enough 2D/3D acceleration capabilities.16:23
r000tSo how are people testing Unity without... blowing up a perfectly good Ubuntu install?16:24
Daekdroomr000t, they install it in a different partition.16:27
DaekdroomOr blow up a perfectly good Ubuntu install, like I did16:28
r000tYou sir, have balls of steel16:28
DaekdroomI'm used to not having X starting every once in awhile.16:28
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donriwill I be able to move the unity "dock" in natty?16:32
donrie.g. to the bottom16:32
Daekdroomdonri, still not possible16:32
Daekdroomand I haven't read about any plans of doing that16:32
r000tYeah I noticed the menu change too.... There's gotta be a way to change that back to normal, Linux is all about customization, and I think some people will hate the fact that their OS is trying to be MacOSX16:34
donrimenu change?16:35
r000tThe File Edit Window etc16:35
r000tis now on the gnome panel16:36
donrii like gnome's lack of excessive customization points, but unity as it stands is looking a bit rigid even by gnome standards16:36
r000tnot on the window16:36
DaekdroomIt's not gnome panel anymore ;)16:38
Daekdroomand yes, Unity is very rigid16:38
DaekdroomCurrently, it doesn't accept any kind of themeing except for the panel.16:38
Daekdroombut there are bug reports already and they're planing it.16:39
donrii get the 'its new tech' thing but seems rigidness is a philosophy, not simply a lack of code16:39
r000tAnd there's two programs I stay far away from: X and GRUB. I leave them be. GRUB especially is very very very fragile in my experience and if one little thing goes wrong during any sort of upgrade BOOM unbootable.16:39
Daekdroomdonri, unfortunately I have to agree. The Launcher and the Dash are all done on images.16:39
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r000tSo they aren't drawn?16:40
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Daekdroomr000t, precisely. Try using fullscreen Dash and you'll notice it's slooow16:41
r000tI can't, but why would it be slow? Resize?16:41
DaekdroomNo idea.16:42
DaekdroomBut if it's worked on, it's possible to give it customizability. (altho I believe writing a GTK+ theme is easier than creating all images)16:42
r000tAnd I think FeatureFreeze is when them adding moving functionality stopped being allowed for this release16:42
DaekdroomNope. They're still adding features to Unity.16:42
DaekdroomUserInterfaceFreeze is the one that is going to stop it all16:43
r000tWhen's that?16:43
ubottuA schedule of Natty Narwhal (11.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule16:43
DaekdroomMarch 24th16:43
donrisomething that scares me about both unity and gnome shell is neither seem to really be gtk16:43
donrithrowing out all kinds of accessibility and desktop integration16:44
DaekdroomGnome shell is GTK3.16:44
penguin42yeh, the scroll bar iin unity is shockingly bad16:44
donriis it really though? isn't a lot of it html/css?16:44
DaekdroomThere are 2 or 3 themes for it, despite themeing not being officially supported.16:44
DaekdroomIt's CSS + images16:44
DaekdroomBut all GTK3 themeing can be done o CSS too16:44
donriis it really using gtk for widgets?16:44
DaekdroomI believe it is16:45
danyRgnome-shell is using heavy javascript :)16:45
danyRpenguin42: scrollbar in the dash will still use some love before UI freeze16:45
DaekdroomFortunately the Dash scrollbar is now controllable through mouse scrollwheel16:46
penguin42ah good, that was missing last week16:48
donrithat's an example of what i mean with "not gtk"16:50
donriif you have to specifically implement scroll, something is wrong :P16:50
DaekdroomWe're talking about Unity, tho.16:50
DaekdroomWhich is barely GTK, indeed.16:50
danyRUnity is mostly Nux :)16:52
penguin42sigh, yet another toolkit16:54
DaekdroomI feel I'm eventually moving to gnome shell.16:54
coz_hey all17:19
badpenguin86In Unity, my windows are not getting "decorated", and they show up in the top leftmost corner of the screen. How do I fix it?17:43
Daekdroombadpenguin86, you mean they show up on the panel?17:45
badpenguin86Daekdroom, here is a pic http://ubuntuone.com/p/hFZ/17:50
Daekdroombadpenguin86, compiz crashed17:51
badpenguin86Daekdroom, How do I restart it?17:51
Daekdroombadpenguin86, use that nautilus to go to /usr/bin and run compiz17:51
badpenguin86Daekdroom, That didn't work17:56
DaekdroomIs it like that all the time?17:57
robin0800badpenguin86, compiz --replace17:57
badpenguin86just started being like this17:59
badpenguin86using open source nvidia drivers17:59
badpenguin86i use compiz --replace and it crashes immediately17:59
penguin42badpenguin86: Fallback to metacity - metacity --replace &18:00
Daekdroompenguin42, I thought metacity didn't work with unity..18:01
penguin42Daekdroom: Probably true - but if compiz is crashing you don't have much choice18:01
badpenguin86well, that sorta did something, but I gotta reboot, it's kinda crazy lol18:03
robin0800penguin42, with no compiz the choices are classic desktop or install unity 2d18:06
badpenguin86_Everything is working except the decorations.. Maybe I messed something up in CCSM18:06
Daekdroomopen source nvidia drivers aren't exactly ready for unity.18:06
DaekdroomI believe you need to have libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental installed18:06
Daekdroomand even with that package I've seen people that couldn't run unity18:07
robin0800Daekdroom, neither is gallium in my opinion18:07
badpenguin86_Daekdroom, K, will try that18:07
Daekdroomrobin0800, without gallium, he can't run unity at all.18:07
DaekdroomIt's worth a shot atleast, no matter how.. not prepared it is18:07
vividwhat gpu is it?18:08
badpenguin86_what is gallium?18:08
badpenguin86_nvm, is ATI card. My bad18:08
Daekdroomthen that package isn't going to make any difference.18:08
robin0800badpenguin86_, the new ati driver18:08
badpenguin86_ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]18:09
penguin42Radeon drivers also seem to be very touchy18:10
badpenguin86_Restricted drivers don't show anything to enable, although it used to18:10
Daekdroomthe radeon binary driver is not working with 11.04 for now18:11
badpenguin86_Daekdroom, Hmm, so what should I do? It was working with alpha 3, then I updated it, and that's what broke it18:11
vividtry reinstalling the driver18:12
DaekdroomI meant the binary driver. The one that you get through restricted drivers.18:12
vividati isnt very good for driver support18:12
DaekdroomThe opensource one you're probably using should be alright18:12
penguin42badpenguin86_: You could try one or more of 1) The drm-next kernel daily packages , or xorg-edgers ppa with blleding edge X18:12
badpenguin86_vivid, do I dpkg --reconfigure18:13
vividdpkg-reconfigure <package> iirc18:13
r000tWhat is Ubuntu 10.04.02?18:13
vividlucid lynx lts18:13
Daekdroomr000t, it's 10.04 with all updates until the date in which 10.04.2 was released.18:14
badpenguin86_vivid, I tried that and will reboot18:15
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not currently be installable.18:16
DaekdroomThe nvidia 270.19 is.18:16
vividi think 270.30 is now fully compatible with xorg 1.1018:17
vividand maybe the 260.19.44 non-beta18:17
Daekdroom!info nvidia-current18:18
ubottunvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 270.29-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 27804 kB, installed size 81372 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)18:18
vividthat version still requires ignore abi iirc18:19
badpenguin86Reconfiguring the drivers didn't work18:19
vividbadpenguin86, the solution for ati cards and bleeding systems is buying an nvidia card o.O18:22
twagerI just installed restricted driver for nvidia and all is well.18:22
badpenguin86vivid, Lol. Hard to do with a laptop. :) Switching back to classic desktop18:22
badpenguin86At least classic desktop works.18:24
vividmore research on the laptop you buy.....get one with an MXM slot18:24
vividnext time, anyway18:25
robin0800badpenguin86, install unity 2d18:25
badpenguin86robin0800, Eh, I will just use classic until ATI gets off there butts lol18:26
robin0800badpenguin86, I think its great you should at least give it a try18:27
yofelvivid: we don't have xserver 1.10 final yet, and 270.29 works fine with our rc218:27
vividbadpenguin86, this is a classic ati problem, your best bet is to use the open source ati driver18:27
vividyofel, right, with ignore abi18:27
yofelvivid: without18:27
yofel29 is incompatible with final though, same as 30 is incompatible with rc218:28
vividwhat about the new stable release? 260.19.4418:28
yofelno idea, I just use what we have in natty18:28
yofelbut I'm pretty certain they won't downgrade the driver18:28
vivid270 should be official soon enough anyway18:29
badpenguin86_robin0800, Downloading it now18:30
vivid!info unity-2d18:33
ubottuunity-2d (source: unity-2d): Unity interface for non-accelerated graphics cards. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.1-0ubuntu2 (natty), package size 5 kB, installed size 116 kB18:34
badpenguin86robin0800, It is ok. Not quite the same though18:34
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tzaeruhi. tried to update to 11.4, and when updating xorg, ran into this: http://tinypaste.com/90106 basically it's a bunch of dependency problems in style of E: xserver-xorg-video-geode: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured20:16
magn3tsAnyone got Natty running in a VirtualBox VM yet?20:17
yofeltzaeru: something went wrong when configuring keyboard-configuration, can you open a terminal and run sudo dpkg --configure -a ?20:18
tzaerudpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process20:18
tzaeruwell. apparently.. closing firefox fixed it20:19
tzaerunot the upgrade, but the locking :P20:19
tzaerua lot of not-configured all I can see.20:22
penguin42tzaeru: OK, the important error is the 1st one20:23
OmegaOn my login screen I see a user named 'proxy,' I don't know how it got there, I don't know the password and it does not show up in Users and Groups.20:24
penguin42tzaeru: Do you have the console-setup package and /bin/setupcon ?20:24
penguin42Omega: Do you have squid installed?20:24
GaryDIf I install nouveau-firmware on natty will it fix the issue of nouveau drivers not displaying all colors. My screen looks "grayed" out and most things are unidentifiable. If not, how can I use xserver-xorg-video-nv instead of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?20:24
tzaerupenguin42, no, installing20:25
Omegapenguin42: No, but I do have polipo installed, might it be the one causing this?20:26
penguin42tzaeru: OK, can you file a bug against keyboard-configuration ? Include that dpkg error log - the problem sounds like it's missing the dependency on console-setup20:26
penguin42Omega: Yeh I bet it adds a user for it20:26
Omegapenguin42: Thanks. :)20:27
tzaerupenguin42, ooh! my first bug report.20:28
tzaeruaside of some wine reports. neat. yeah, sure.20:28
lcbOmega, i'm curious. what is the kb config issue? i'm asking because i had one yesterday and i managed in solving it, with the help of yofel20:31
Omegalcb: kb config issue?20:32
lcbomega, sorry. looks like it is from tzaeru20:33
OmegaAh, no problem.20:33
GaryDHas anyone found a way to make proprietary nvidia drivers work?20:34
bjsniderthey do work20:34
GaryDbjsnider: not 173. There is a missing dependency. xserver-video-abi-8.020:36
nlsthznany ideas why firefox seems to push my CPU to run at almost 100% load the whole time? :/20:36
lcbnlsthzn, too many extras (or one that takes a lot of load)?20:36
GaryDbjsnider: ...and I can't figure out how to use the nv driver instead of nouveau.20:36
nlsthznlcb: I do have a lot of pages open sure... but I have not enabled any add-ons (so I can understand all the memory it uses, but not the CPU load)20:37
nlsthzn... then again, maybe it is something else... CPU just went balistic again (and system monitor, top and htop doesn't show the culprit) QQ20:38
tzaeruand I promptly forgot to in any way indicate in the summary or tags that it was for natty20:39
tzaeruwell. guess that doesn't.. matter that much now.20:39
bjsniderGaryD, the 173 could be rebuilt against the new x-server, and it would load but it doesn't work. it will not work until nvidia releases an update, probably at the end of the natty development cycle in april. you will need to abandon the effort and use another driver, like vesa or nouveau20:41
tzaeruall fingers grossed, here goes reboot. :)20:42
GaryDbjsnider: i'm using nouveau, but my screen is "grayed" out, like it has a film on it.the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver has always worked for my graphics card. i will do with that until nvidia updates, but I can't figure out how to use the driver after I install it. nouveau always loads instead.20:45
bjsnideryou can create a xorg.conf and put "driver" "nv" in it i suppose20:46
bjsniderbut that is obfuscated by nvidia. it hasn't been touched in a long time20:46
GaryDOK, but how can I make the xorg.conf? killing X and running Xorg -configure gave me errors.20:49
lcbnlsthzn, a lot of tabs open helps increasing the load of it of course. there are a lot of tweaks on the net to improve  firefox performance, if you google it. try to do on advanced search and check latest 'posts' on it. there are a couple addons for the same effect. iḿ running chromium after years of firefox and to be honest, without any conflict of interests, i'm liking chromium...20:50
lcboops.. that was a testament... sorry guys.20:50
nlsthznlcb: closed all tabs now... same load (even got it to go up without FF so might not be FF but something else)... thx any how :)20:51
lcbnlsthzn, hmm, i'm using it now with alpha updated/graded and looks fine/normal.20:51
lcbwith natty, i mean20:52
nlsthznI am a few hours worth of updates behind...20:52
nlsthznoh well... thx... let me update and stuff again :D20:52
magn3tsGod Natty is looking sweet.20:53
magn3tsnew Network manager in 11.1020:53
magn3tsGonna be sweeeeeet.20:53
GaryDthanks all. I have something to try. section 2.6 of the lubuntu faq.20:55
magn3tscontrol center is back too?20:59
tzaeruwell. didn't reboot..21:00
tzaerufirst off it says 'fb hw usage conflict radeondrmfb vs. VEGA VGA' and then afterwards it gives an error /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs: file not found.21:01
tzaeruafter that it doesn't continue to terminal21:01
tzaerujust stops there21:01
tzaerudoesn't hang tho.21:02
guntbertany reports about install problems with the current daily? Several packages "in a broken state"21:11
GaryDNo good. Still a gray screen, and no xorg.conf file in root or /etc/X11/.21:16
tzaeruoh, it does boot to terminal. just need to alt+f away21:19
tzaeruum. gdm is what gnome is ought to use, right?21:20
tzaeruor what usually packs with ubuntu that is21:20
GaryDI am actually on Lubuntu. However I have seen a lot of the same problem.21:43
GaryDHowever, There were 2 devices and 2 cards in my /root/xorg.conf.new. I have removed the extra stuff and copied it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Hope it works.21:44
tzaeruinteresting - ati drivers weren't installed. well. this works now. for now, that is.. :>21:49
tzaerusuicidal time and ppa for the drivers so I can get WebGL properly work21:49
tzaeruor shaders actually, but only webgl apps seem to throw that particular problem21:49
yfkhow can I use Update to OpenOffice on Natty with the use of apt?23:46
BUGabundoyfk: we now use libreoffice23:47
penguin42yfk: Natty has LibreOffice now, if you install natty and keep it up to date you'll have the latest version on Natty23:47
yfkpenguin42, you mean libre23:48
penguin42yfk: Yes23:48
yfkI don't want libre23:48
penguin42yfk: Why not?23:49
yfkit doesn't show .doc files as good23:49
penguin42interesting - file that as a bug, preferably with an example .doc file - it should!23:50
yfkit displays them.. only not as good23:50
yfkOO is not perfect at this neither23:50
penguin42still a bug23:50
yfkone of OO's main problems it imperfect support of MSFT office formats23:51
penguin42it's a really difficult problem23:51
yfktheir claim is that the formats are rombunctious to begin with, perhaps intentionally23:51
yfkanyways. OO is probably the best software that can run natively on linux. you should add the option23:52
yfknot as default but to the repositories23:52
penguin42yfk: My feeling is that lo will get fixed quicker23:54
penguin42yfk: If you have a .doc that you can share with them and show bad rendering then I think it would be good23:55
yfkthe one that I've noticed this from was from a friend of mine so I can't give that away. I'm pretty sure a test on some .doc files (like is probably done) yields better results with oo. BTW, It's development is govermentaly supported here (Israel) as an alternative to MSFT. Choosing not to use OO due to the SUN ownership thing is probably a bad idea as a whole23:58
yfkby not to use I mean restricting to Libre23:59

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