dave6558Does anyone ever talk in this room06:35
RAOFYeah, quite often.06:38
RAOFMore often during the day, for Europe, though ;)06:38
kenvandinehey RAOF06:53
bryceh_hi kenvandine07:01
RAOFHeya kenvandine07:04
* kenvandine wonders how today's release of indicator-datetime is actually buggier than the previous version07:07
* kenvandine is glad it didn't get uploaded07:07
RAOFRa raw.07:07
kenvandinecrashes more often, randomly doesn't show appointments07:08
kenvandineand most of the preferences dialog flickrs between being sensitive and insensitive07:08
kenvandinenothing like a check box you can't click fast enough :)07:08
RAOFAh.  So buggier by being less consistently broken? :)07:08
kenvandineright :)07:09
* kenvandine isn't going to sponsor this :-D07:09
RAOFMine is nice and consistent.  The indicator *never* works :)(07:09
kenvandineit has been working pretty well on my laptop07:09
kenvandinebut crashing constantly on my desktop07:09
kenvandinebut with today's version it is just whacked out on both :-D07:10
RAOFAaaargh.  Brain melting runtime-patched dispatch assembly!07:11
RAOFNo-one will notice if libGL accidentally breaks unrelated code on IA32, right?07:12
RAOFWah?  The dynamic loader handles loading modules with the initial-exec tls class?07:19
didrocksgood morning07:22
didrocksevilvish: hey, around?07:22
RAOFCrazy morning, didrocks!07:23
didrockshey RAOF o/07:24
didrocksRAOF: so, putting the GPU in the oven worked!07:24
didrocksit's kind of scary :)07:24
RAOFAlso scary: IA32 assember.07:26
evilvishdidrocks: hey..07:28
didrocksRAOF: heh :)07:28
didrocksevilvish: hey, how are you?07:28
evilvishdidrocks: fine here, thanks :) .. and you ?07:28
didrocksevilvish: quite happy to be back on my laptop et not on a netbook anymore :)07:29
* didrocks hopes it's the last time he does an unity hacking + release on his netbook07:29
didrocksevilvish: I was wondering about the new nautilus icons07:30
didrocksis it on purpose?07:30
evilvishdidrocks: nope, thats a scour bug. :)07:30
didrocksoh ok :)07:30
didrocksas it was quite at the same time than the default favorite change we made07:31
evilvishdidrocks: bug 70242307:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 702423 in scour "Scour corrupts icons with gradients" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70242307:31
didrocksok :)07:31
didrocksevilvish: thanks a lot for the info :)07:31
evilvishdidrocks: np.. pitti said we'll rebuild humanity once that bug is fixed07:31
didrocksyeah, unity will be needed as well07:32
didrocks(for the trash and places)07:32
didrocksactually, I like the trash that way :)07:32
evilvishmatches the dock color, eh? ;)07:32
didrocksyeah ;)07:32
evilvishbah, is it springboard, now?07:33
* evilvish needs to keep up!07:33
didrockswell, in the code, it wil always be launcher :)07:33
didrockslauncher/springboard has to coexist I guess ;)07:33
pittiGood morning07:38
pittididrocks: oven> awesome -- reliable unreliability!07:38
didrockspitti: heh, yeah!07:38
didrocksgood morning pitti07:38
pittibonjour didrocks07:43
pittiSweetshark: don't be scared about the reject message for oo.o 1:3.3.0-6ubuntu1; I source-NEWed -7ubuntu108:19
Sweetsharkpitti: k08:21
didrocksslomo: is gstreamer0.10-editing-services a new package?08:25
slomodidrocks: yes08:30
didrocksslomo: ok, maybe it need a quick FFe, pitti? What's your take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/733105 ?08:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 733105 in ubuntu "Sync gstreamer0.10-editing-services 0.10.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]08:30
pittihey slomo08:35
pittido we need that for anything?08:35
pittino objection (it's very little effort to sync), I'm just curious08:35
slomopitti: pitivi will probably depend on it soon and this might make things easier for developers08:36
pittislomo: thanks08:37
mvodidrocks: thanks for alt-f2! but of course I have a bugreport ;) most(?) of the time when I type alt-f2 then e.g. xterm and press enter nothing happens, it seems I need to naviagte to the item first or something?08:39
didrocksmvo: oh? no, normally enter should select the first item08:40
didrocksmvo: when you press enter, has the first item aready appeared?08:40
mvodidrocks: aha, I think thats it, I type too quick. if e.g. i type "gnome-terminal" wait for a littlle bit until its there and hit enter its fine. but if I type "xterm" then (quickly) and press enter it launches gnome-terminal :)08:45
mvowaiting a little bit with the enter makes it work correctly08:45
didrocksmvo: yeah, we need to add some love in the place unity-side (you can only run entries right now)08:45
didrocksso, no stress, take your time typing it for now :)08:46
didrocksslomo: pitti: thanks08:47
mvoits all part of a "relax-at-your-job" plot08:47
zygagood morning08:50
zygaI sometimes get double indicators on natty08:50
zygais it a know bug?08:51
zygamvo, do you want a bug report for the s-c segvfault?08:51
mvozyga: its reported as bug #259219 a ELF issue apparently with libgl108:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 259219 in mesa "Broken TLS support in libGL.so" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25921908:52
zygamvo, I see, thanks08:53
zygagl? :-) software center 3d ?08:53
mvozyga: and s-c is not the only thing affected, as a workaround you can ld_preload libstdc++08:53
mvozyga: haha, no, it just used by some of the dependencies :)08:53
zygamvo, LD_PRELOAD=libstdc++ software-center?08:54
mvoLD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 software-center08:55
zygamvo, ah, it works, thanks08:56
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:08
bryceh_morning chrisccoulson09:09
glatzormorning mvo09:10
chrisccoulsonhi bryceh_09:10
bryceh_heya glatzor09:11
mvohey glatzor09:16
pittihey glatzor, wie gehts?09:16
glatzorfine pitti ! Thanks and yourself? I am currently on vacations!09:19
pittiglatzor: I'm great, thanks09:19
chrisccoulsonwow, i've just seen the news09:21
pittimvo: bug 711297 sounds like it's being fixed on the server side, but there's an ubuntu package task?09:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 711297 in software-center "[master] "APIError: 500" when submitting review on utf8 appnames" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71129709:33
pittididrocks: hm, why did you close bug 722946? I don't see a new git in the archive?09:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 722946 in git "git post-installation script fails if emacs and git is being installed at the same time." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72294609:35
didrockspitti: hum? I tried to do a mass-sync --flush-syncs09:35
pittiah, perhaps in limbo09:35
didrocksoh and I closed that one because the new version is fixing it09:36
didrockslet me check09:36
pittididrocks: yes, but only -3 (which needs to be synced)09:36
didrocksyeah, I synced it…09:36
ogra_sigh, evolution --express turned into something completely unusable in natty09:37
didrocksogra_: that's why we didn't switch it on by default as it was planned09:37
mvopitti: indeed, that one is fixed, thanks!09:37
didrockspitti: ok, seems that 2 syncs weren't processed09:37
pittimvo: cool, thanks! you'll close it?09:37
mvoyep, done09:37
didrockspitti: I'm checking them and try to discover what wrong I did09:37
pittididrocks: ok, cheers09:37
seb128hey pitti mvo09:37
seb128lut didrocks09:37
ogra_didrocks, the version in maverick was awesome, why did they make such a huge amount of really bad design changes09:37
pittibonjour seb12809:37
mvohey seb12809:38
didrockssalut seb12809:38
* ogra_ is depressed09:38
didrocksogra_: I don't know, I discussed that with them some weeks ago09:38
didrockspitti: oh, the 2 it didn't sync are the ones where AA wasn't subscribe09:39
didrocksdespite me putting the 2 in the syncs.txt file for mass-sync input09:39
didrocksthere is maybe a filter :)09:39
zygaogra_, what's up?09:45
didrockspitti: should be ok now09:45
pitticool, thanks09:45
ogra_zyga, you mean above or was that a ping ? :)09:45
zygaogra_, the former, are you an unhappy evolution user?09:45
ogra_zyga, no, just a very very very uhappy evolution --express user ;)09:46
ogra_in normal mode it's all fine09:46
zygaah I never use that09:46
zygaI got fed up with normal evolution log ago09:46
ogra_but the express UI turned into a pile of tabs, you need to wildly click until your fingers hurt to read 50 mails09:47
ogra_(and then indeed close all these open tabs again)09:47
seb128pitti, do you know how what component is the bug that leads ck to list system users?09:48
zygaogra_, I just tried --express and normal on my natty netbook, express had broken account setup (you need to provide account password to continue, no express did not fit my screen)09:48
ogra_its the most ridiculous UI change i have seen in some years09:48
seb128pitti, how what-> on what09:48
zygaogra_, evolution always felt like windows 2000 advanced server settings panel, slow, buggy and ugly09:48
ogra_it works fine in normal mode for me and i like it09:49
seb128could you troll on some other channel?09:49
ogra_seb128, sorry09:49
seb128that's not really the right spot for that09:49
seb128ogra_, your comments are fine09:49
seb128zyga's are not09:49
seb128he doesn't like it that's ok but there is no need to troll here09:49
zygaogra_, I got burned by loosing my entire history/inbox a few times09:49
zygaseb128, I'm sorry if it sounds like trolling, that was not my intent09:50
seb128don't call something slow and buggy then09:50
seb128it's your opinion but not really constructive09:50
didrocksmvo: about https://code.launchpad.net/~acarpine/app-install-data-ubuntu/fix-640524-666605/+merge/52956 are those files extracted in some way from our desktop files?09:51
zygaseb128, if by constructive you mean being able to fix it then I agree, my comments did not help, EOT as far as I'm concerned09:52
mvodidrocks: yeah, ideally they should be fixed in the app itself09:52
mvodidrocks: uh, that are many changes09:52
seb128zyga, not really able to fix it but concrete datas rather than opinions made on use of old versions ;-)09:53
chrisccoulsonpitti - do you have any idea how we got the locale-specific firefox searchplugins in to the language packs in lucid and maverick?09:53
seb128zyga, like evo is clearly not bug free but nobody reported having lost his inbox09:53
chrisccoulsonthey're not there in natty now, and i've got no idea how arne used to make that work09:53
ogra_zyga, and stop judging it when using it on a 256MB beagleboard from SD :P09:54
seb128zyga, you should perhaps have opened a bug about it rather09:54
chrisccoulson(i can't find the plugins anywhere)09:54
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?09:54
zygaseb128, ok, in natty on netbook resolution the wizard does not fit the screen09:54
seb128chrisccoulson, what did you read in the news?09:54
chrisccoulsonthere should be a set of plugins in /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/$(LANGUAGE) for each language pack09:54
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?09:54
zygaseb128, as for loosing data, I don't expect you think every user that finds an issue actually reports it?09:54
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks09:54
ogra_zyga, alt+click helps to move it around09:54
chrisccoulsonseb128- the only thing on the news is the earthquake in japan ;09:55
zygaseb128, for the benefit of the conversation I'll try to setup my imap account on current natty and report any bugs I find09:55
seb128zyga, no, but how do you want to get those fixed if they are not reported? well anyway quite some people here use evo for years without issues, let's not discuss it for hours09:55
seb128chrisccoulson, oh ok, read that also09:55
seb128zyga, thanks, the nb screen issue is known09:55
didrocksmvo: yeah09:56
zygaseb128, generally I agree but there seems to be a large population of users that would rather use another client and therefore don't bother trying evolution again (even though perhaps some of the bugs they experienced in the past got fixed)09:57
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seb128zyga, right, and I'm trying to understand what needs to be fixed that create that perception issue09:57
seb128zyga, I'm not convinced we have a better email client choice either09:58
zygaseb128, if you consider home users then thunderbird is a good alternative09:58
seb128zyga, out of the fact that it has no calendar or contacts integration with the desktop09:59
ogra...or calendar09:59
seb128or doesn't work with the indicator-messages (though that seems to be worked)09:59
zygaseb128, in the case I experienced a rebranding would help I think, if you tried something and it did not work (I'm not referring to software here) you generally don't try that again just to see if it's better but choose something else09:59
seb128or "no calendar or ..." I said09:59
seb128zyga, well I'm sure evo has real issues as well10:00
zygaseb128, in my perception home users don't use the calendar to plan tasks that much10:00
seb128not sure what is the best angle though, fix it or improve tb10:00
zygaseb128, and the integration should be fixed, AFAIR some people from mozilla are working on indicator support10:00
zygaseb128, callendar is more complex because it requires to use the evo-data-server which seems counter productive10:01
seb128zyga, well tb is not integrated in the desktop, it doesn't use the tech, doesn't have the same behaviour on theming, has no calendar, no contact integration, no exchange support ... it's a better email client though10:01
zygaseb128, I agree with what you said10:01
seb128so it's not an easy discussion ;-)10:01
zygaseb128, if you don't use those features it's a better client10:01
seb128we should perhaps have no email client10:02
zygaseb128, and for home users that's what I think is better10:02
ograwebmail ftw10:02
aquariusthere's the elementary people's thingy?10:02
seb128just a launcher which ask if you want to install a corporate solution, an email client or use a web email10:02
ograseb128, we have that ;)10:02
ograits the default on arm10:02
zygaseb128, that might be interesting10:02
seb128ogra, right, I'm just pointing that maybe that's what we should do on the desktop as well10:02
ograarm ships the desktop-webmail package10:02
zygaseb128, + notification for email in the messaging indicator10:02
ograand gcal integration for the calendar applet10:03
ogra(or any webcal)10:03
zygaogra, oh, interesting, I did not know we have gcal integration for that, is it feeding evo-data-server in the back?10:03
ograno, we dont10:03
seb128aquarius, the elementary people might be a nice bunch they don't are very reliable maintainer for a codebase you need to stay around maintained for years10:03
aquariusseb128, a reasonable point. :)10:03
ograthat was a comment to your last line10:04
seb128aquarius, they tend to hack for fun and experiment and get bored10:04
aquariusI am myself using evo rather than their thingy :)10:04
zygaseb128, I agree wrt elementary - but another aspect is interesting, there seems to be some demand for more email clients10:04
seb128not really10:04
seb128there is demand for better ones10:04
zygaseb128, that's what I meant10:04
zygaseb128, but if you consider the brand change that's what effectively happens10:04
seb128the yorba guys were considering starting one as well10:05
aquariusspeaking of evolution, who knows about e-d-s and the python bindings? I can't seem to create new TODO lists from Python (although I can create new TODO *items* from Python).10:05
zygaseb128, if you fork evo and call it something else with different UI it's just another client10:05
zygaseb128, as for evolution, it's IMAP still is slower compared to thunderbird, I'm waiting for my inbox to show the first item after a few good minutes of waiting10:05
seb128zyga, did you pick imap or imap+?10:06
seb128before you ask yes that's a stupidity, they should hide imap and make imap+ the default10:06
zygaseb128, I picked the defaults, I'm sure it was IMAP but I did not notice if it was + or ""10:06
seb128it's the new imap they added last year10:06
chrisccoulsonseb128 - http://i.imgur.com/qwHwY.png ;)10:06
seb128check in your account preferences10:07
zygaseb128, I tried this with a gmail account10:07
chrisccoulsonworking unity launcher integration \o/10:07
chrisccoulson(developed by upstream though, not by me)10:07
seb128chrisccoulson, nice10:07
zygachrisccoulson, yay10:07
chrisccoulsonand they have a working messaging menu implementation too10:07
seb128chrisccoulson, you really want extra work it seems ;-)10:07
seb128i.e you want tb in10:07
seb128which makes me wonder why I argue, I could just drop evo from my list of things I need to watch ;-)10:08
chrisccoulsonheh :-)10:08
chrisccoulsonor, you could maintain tbird ;)10:08
seb128nice try10:08
seb128but no way ;-)10:08
seb128chrisccoulson, joke aside, what is the tb calendar story?10:09
seb128we really need to define who is the target user there10:10
chrisccoulsonwell, there is lightning ;) i need to talk to upstream about that, i would like the calendar to work properly10:10
seb128like I'm sure most people on that channel are happy to have desktop calendar integration10:10
kklimondaany idea why doesn't compiz restart itself after the crash?10:10
kklimondait crashes *a lot* lately10:10
seb128i.e remainders and those showing in the indicator10:10
kklimondaand every time I learn a new way of launching it without accessing terminal ;)10:10
chrisccoulsonseb128 - you should start up a discussion on http://groups.google.com/group/thunderbird-unity about the calendar stuff ;)10:12
seb128very active list it seems10:12
chrisccoulsonheh :)10:12
seb128like I would receive a reply from jcastro maybe? ;-)10:12
chrisccoulsoni think there's only about 5 people watching it10:12
* Sweetshark just commited a _huge_ patch to lo-menubar: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu/natty/lo-menubar/crashfix/revision/12510:13
chrisccoulsonbut, it's probably the 5 people that matter ;)10:13
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, nice!10:14
seb128chrisccoulson, well let's deal with later after the freeze etc10:14
chrisccoulsondoes that have a high bugs to line number ratio? ;)10:14
seb128pitti, unping, it's bug #39528110:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 395281 in gdm "pam_ck_connector.so is called for non-login sessions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39528110:14
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: guess so. without it Libreoffice crashes on opening the every fifth or sixth document ...10:16
pittiseb128: sorry, was on the phone; what's up?10:41
pittichrisccoulson: sorry, no; we did?10:42
seb128pitti, you mean?10:42
pittichrisccoulson: there was no particular code for this in langpack-o-matic; perhaps the xpi2xpi bits smuggled the search plugins into the translation XPIs?10:42
pittiseb128: "unping, it's bug ..."10:42
seb128pitti, the ck ping? I was just trying to find the known bug to duplicate a new "system users is listed by ck-history and show in gdm" bug10:42
seb128pitti, it's bug #39528110:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 395281 in gdm "pam_ck_connector.so is called for non-login sessions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39528110:43
pittiseb128: yeah, one of these bugs I'd really like to fix, but there's always something with higher prio :(10:44
seb128well maybe this cycle is the cycle10:44
seb128seems we are reaching stability early ;-)10:44
pittiheh, yes10:45
pittiand I'm actually getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/~pitti/+assignedbugs?orderby=status somewhat under control now10:45
pittiseb128: speaking of which, weren't you meaning to upload gdm?10:45
seb128pitti, well I started looking at the bug list and I figured I would sneak some extra backports and fixes in and didn't finish on that yet10:46
seb128pitti, if you want to get the current trunk in feel free I will do another upload next week10:46
pittiseb128: ah, right, I forgot about that10:46
pittinot urgent, I just wondered if something got broken10:46
seb128no, it's just that gdm has always things that could be fixed it seems ;-)10:47
pittiheh, yes10:47
seb128pitti, btw bug #724285 is yours10:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 724285 in nautilus "[natty] Nautilus crashes with assertion error on start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72428510:47
* pitti sheds a tear for unity keyboard navigation; I can now open most apps with just three keystrokes10:47
pittithis is sooo god10:47
sorenpitti: orly? How?10:48
pittisoren: "orly"?10:48
soren"oh, really" :)10:48
pittiI don't know if it's zeigeist magic or so, but it seems that I'm mostly lucky with just typing one letter10:49
seb128pitti, though it doesn't crash here (nautilus)10:49
pittilike super - d - enter -> opens d-feet10:49
pittiseb128: should that be reopened? did I break that somehow?10:49
seb128pitti, but those 'g_bus_unwatch_name: assertion `watcher_id > 0' are due to your "don't automount when screen is locked"10:49
seb128pitti, I just reopened10:49
seb128we got new duplicates10:49
pittiseb128: please assign it to me then10:49
sorenpitti: Ah, cool.10:50
seb128pitti, it's already one10:50
seb128pitti, well at least the warning is easy to get, just run nautilus on a command line10:50
seb128while it's already running in the session10:50
pitti"nautilus -q" spews out the warning on the CLI, yes10:50
seb128I didn't try in a session without it running10:50
pittiit doesn't crash for me, though, so I didn't notice10:51
pittibut yes, seems easy enough to fix, I'll have a look10:51
seb128pitti, right, the crashes might be another issue10:51
seb128let's use the bug for the warning to start and see what else comes10:51
seb128I don't get the crash here10:51
* pitti hugs seb128 for taking care of the bug list10:52
* seb128 hugs pitti for taking care of the bugs picked out of the list ;-)10:52
pittididrocks: oh, thanks for getting the background bug fixed10:53
pittinot the end of the world, but a nice pet peeve indeed!10:53
seb128pitti, it's a contributor fix in fact10:57
* seb128 hugs didrocks for the piloting10:57
seb128I'm happy about my patch selection10:57
seb128I refiled the sponsoring queue with patches from the launchpad patch queue yesterday10:57
pittihttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ -> 19. go, Didier, go!10:57
seb128kees sponsored like 5 and didrocks a few extra ones today10:57
pittiseb128: yeah, it seems the more we sponsor the bigger it gets; perhaps because people actually notice it's working now :)10:57
seb128nice to see those crash fixes etc going in ;-)10:57
pittiI'm really happy to see that all but one entry are < 5 days old10:58
seb128pitti, well in fact yesterday is was my fault, I subscribed sponsors to like 25 bugs10:58
seb128since the queue was under 10 I figured I would pick some patches and add those to the queue10:58
pittiFSVO "fault", that's the correct process :)10:58
seb128so the pilot don't get borred10:58
seb128we still have a lot of bugs with "patches" in launchpad10:58
pittiyeah, the shift after mine got it down to 8, having some more to look at is better10:59
seb128that's going to take a while to clean10:59
seb128not to mention that launchpad doesn't have patch status so you can't get reviewed patches which are incorrect out of the list10:59
seb128anyway patch piloting seems working great recently10:59
seb128let's keep this way ;-)10:59
pittiI usually uncheck the "patch" check box for them10:59
seb128I should perhaps do that11:00
seb128cleansweep guys have been tagging the bugs11:00
seb128like patch-needswork11:00
bryceh_seb128, ouch how we gonna reach 0 if we keep adding?  ;-)11:00
seb128but those still show with an emblem and in launchpad queries11:00
bryceh_(actually I added a few myself on my day, from the  X patch queue)11:00
seb128bryceh_, you need to hold the carrot in front of the stick so the horse keeps running :p11:00
bryceh_yeah, for all the X bugs with patches, I unchecked all the patches that weren't valid for some reason11:01
seb128I think I will do that for desktop ones as well11:02
pittiseb128: first that was a banana, second it was an ape, and third the carriage was called "The Incredible Machine"!!!11:02
seb128pitti, lol11:03
* seb128 hugs pitti11:03
pittiI loved that game11:03
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
seb128didrocks, you can probably let the gwibber ones on the sponsoring queue11:07
seb128didrocks, kenvandine is piloting today as well, I put them there for him11:07
seb128kenvandine, you should clean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+patches11:08
seb128pitti, bug #73297311:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 732973 in apport "apport-gtk crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'gi.repository.Gtk' object has no attribute 'require_version'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73297311:12
pittiseb128: I already fixed that, will look11:16
seb128pitti, yeah, I'm just mentioned it because I though that was fixed before your uploaded the new pygobject11:17
seb128in case that was a case your overlooked or something11:17
pittiI'll check; the report has the latest version11:17
pitti(sorry, @phone again)11:17
didrocksseb128: oh ok…11:23
* didrocks misses the IRC ping, thaks for the dual monitor :)11:24
seb128didrocks, ;-)11:24
* didrocks hugs seb128 back, few minutes late :)11:24
pittididrocks: "strip alt+F2 from gnome-panel (if needed) and integrate into unity (or external binary)" -> want to have the honor of closing this WI? :)11:42
didrockspitti: oh right!11:43
didrockspitti: let me do it with a great pleasure :)11:43
* pitti hugs didrocks11:43
* didrocks hugs pitti11:43
pittididrocks: while you are at it: "get some plugins to be linked statically" -> is that still an issue?11:43
didrockspitti: yeah, this will be next step for smspillaz once he's finished on some annoying bugs11:44
pittiok, so keeping then, thanks11:45
pittiSweetshark: these four packages are currently NBS: openoffice.org-help-hi openoffice.org-help-sk openoffice.org-l10n-common openoffice.org-l10n-hi11:49
pittiSweetshark: I think we can just remove openoffice.org-l10n-common (will do so now), but should the -hi and -sk ones be covered by the oo.o transitional source?11:49
Sweetsharkpitti: Il take a look11:49
Sweetsharkpitti: hmm, those are explicitly disabled11:52
pittiSweetshark: oh, {help,l10n}-hi are natty only, so I think they can go indeed11:53
pittiSweetshark: and -sk was only in dapper11:53
pittiso I guess we can kill them all11:53
Sweetsharkso there are things still rdepends for {help,l10n}-{hi,sk}?11:56
pittithey were on the "good to remove" list, I was just wondering if we'd need them for upgrades11:56
pittiSweetshark: can you please have a look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt12:00
pittiSweetshark: in particular the "Source and binary demotions to universe12:00
pittiSweetshark: there are some oo.o-hyphenation and friends packages there -- should we remove them entirely now, i. e. are they deprecated by your syncs/merges?12:00
pittimvo: "Convert to use gsettings" for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-software-center-ui-enhancements, is that still relevant after FF?12:03
mvopitti: not, that can be removed, I think we don't actually use gconf at all anymore12:08
pittimvo: oh, and I'm curious: "Doesn't launch in <5 seconds on benchmark hardware" -> where are we right now?12:09
pittiit's about 2 s here, but I guess I don't have the benchmark hw12:09
mvopitti: less than 3s with hot cache, cold around 7s on the mini 1012:09
mvoon the mini with ssd we hit the 5s already12:10
mvobut I have one with hdd12:10
pittiwow, great12:12
mvoyeah :)12:13
* zyga runs natty+unity and noticed something odd, few seconds after logging in all the launcher icons except for the top three (home, firefox and u1) disappear - they are still available and work (including tooltips) but the icons are gone.12:14
dpmhi pitti, would you fancy doing a hands-on session on adding introspection support to an app for AppDeveloperWeek? I've also contacted tomeu to run a more general one on what GI is12:19
dpmI think it would be useful to get people to know what GI is and how to use it, now that it's becoming more important12:20
pittidpm: you mean for converting a pygtk app to pygi? sure12:20
pittiwhen is that?12:20
pittidpm: I can cover the introduction as well; it's not that much to say really (unless you want to start hacking on gi itself)12:21
dpmpitti, yeah. awesome :-). It's in a month's time, from the 11th to the 15th of April - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable - re: the introduction, do it in whichever way you like, if you feel another session is needed, feel free to add it12:23
dpmYou can just pick up a slot on the timetable if you like12:24
pittidpm: that's the beta-1 week, but I guess I'll have an hour for that12:24
dpmcool, thanks pitti12:25
pittidpm: can I take Tue 16:00?12:26
dpmpitti, sure!12:26
dpmCan anyone think of any more cool desktop-y stuff to cover ? Any ideas?12:26
pittidpm: added12:27
dpmexcellent, thanks pitti12:27
pittidpm: added12:27
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seb128didrocks, you had a "politing day"? what is that? the day where you are polite?12:53
chrisccoulsondo we all have to be polite?12:56
Sweetsharkpitti: openthesaurus is still needed. the mythes-de* packages are suggested by libreoffice-l10n-de. Why are they on the list?12:57
seb128didrocks, but I don't get your search and assignement issue12:58
seb128didrocks, I just typed "ken-vandine" in the assignee field and it worked12:59
didrocksseb128: ok, I don't really know what happens, let me retry once again12:59
seb128didrocks, he has a "-" on his lp id, so if you typed "kenvandine" it likely didn't match anything12:59
Sweetsharkpitti: openoffice-thesaurus-{it,pl} are not renamed to mythes-* at debian, but are already suggests by the libreoffice-l10n-* packages12:59
seb128(got bitten by that before as well)12:59
didrocksseb128: yeah, I tried again13:00
didrocksopen in the assign task13:00
didrockstype in subscribe dialog13:00
didrocks-> works13:00
seb128it works for me13:00
didrocksI think ken blacklisted me!13:00
seb128didrocks, are you sure you don't type in the package entry?13:01
didrocksI use the ajax form13:01
seb128what is the title of the popup you get?13:01
seb128"Select a Person or Team"?13:01
didrocksSearch for people or teams13:01
Sweetsharkpitti: so it, pl should stay and will be fine when renamed to mythes-*13:01
seb128and you type "ken-vandine" and click on the icon and it lists nothing?13:02
seb128didrocks, can you try to type directly in the text entry ken-vandine and enter13:02
didrocksin the assignee field, but it seems to be the same dialog in the subscribe one13:02
seb128without using the ajax13:02
seb128didrocks, I'm wondering if you lack the rights to assign Ubuntu bugs to people13:02
didrockssure, trying without the ajax13:02
seb128didrocks, ohh, do you do it on the upstream bug? or the ubuntu one?13:02
didrocksupstream bug13:03
didrocksgwibber upstream13:03
seb128you don't have rights on the gibber product13:03
seb128that can't work13:03
seb128the ajax thing is stupid at telling you that you don't have the rights13:03
seb128got bitten by that before...13:03
seb128didrocks, well you are not part of the gwibber upstream team13:04
didrocksso, you can assign right by projects?13:04
seb128didrocks, well, why do you think I ask you to assign unity upstream bugs for me :p13:04
seb128only owners of the projects can do that13:04
seb128or set milestones13:04
seb128or set to triaged13:04
didrocksseb128: I was thinking it was only bugs status or milestones13:04
didrocksnot assignee13:05
seb128oh ok, not it's assignee as well13:05
didrocksnice, learning a new thing everyday :)13:05
didrocksthanks for digging it! :)13:05
seb128yeah, putting ken-vandine in the upstream entry and do enter gives a "Constraint not satisfied"13:05
seb128which is the stupid launchpad way to say that you don't have permissions13:06
seb128didrocks, you're welcome ;-)13:06
didrocksok, I shouldn't really on the ajax dialog :)13:06
seb128didrocks, btw can you run you unity cleaning script?13:06
didrocksseb128: you're aware that you are asking for spam? :)13:06
seb128didrocks, yes ;-)13:06
didrocksI didn't run it for the last 3 days because of my laptop's game :)13:07
seb128didrocks, but I want upstream bugs on unity for when their do a round of qa13:07
didrocksso ok, bug spam ahead!13:07
seb128didrocks, we have a stack of downstream only right now ;-)13:07
seb128didrocks, thanks!13:07
didrocksyw :)13:07
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mvohave I actually mentioned that I'm very impressed how well unity/compiz work with nouveau for me? its quite amazing13:12
didrocksmvo: the experience really depends on hardware chipset, but overall, it seems good :)13:16
kamstrupmvo: any chance I could get you to add a %U to the Exec line in software center? I need that to get startup notification working from the apps place13:22
and471mvo: hey, do you know if mpt is on holiday?13:27
mvokamstrup: I think this is already in bzr, let me double check13:28
mvokamstrup: we have "%u" there currently, you need a capital one too?13:29
kamstrupmvo: lemme see if it works with a %u as well13:30
didrockskamstrup: how does it impact startup notification? Just that you launch the desktop file instead of the command line?13:31
pittiSweetshark: suggests: isn't enough to keep a package in main, as they aren't installed by default; so I guess we'll seed them explicitly/13:34
kamstrupmvo: %u is ok13:39
didrockskamstrup: did you see my question? ;)13:40
kamstrupdidrocks: to get SN i need to launch S-C via a GDesktopAppInfo.launch_uris() - and if the .desktop file doesn't have %U or %u the URIs I pass in are just ignored and not passed on the commandline13:40
didrockskamstrup: yeah, rather than spawning the command line like now :)13:41
didrocksthanks ;)13:41
kamstrupdidrocks: indeed - but it also means that the apps place will gain a dep on Gdk :-/ because SN requires a connection to X13:42
and471mvo, ping13:42
kamstrupdidrocks: so the glib GAppLaunchContext doesn't work - I need a GdkAppLaunchConntext to make it work13:42
didrockskamstrup: oh?13:42
didrockskamstrup: is it a reported issue?13:43
mvoand471: hello13:43
mvoand471: I don't know whats up with mpt, he seems to be pretty busy these days13:43
kamstrupdidrocks: it was reported in Maverick - or at least mentioned in some usability tests, that users got very confused about the 10s of nothing when they clicked an Avail app13:44
and471mvo: okay thanks. Maybe he is busy with what I am waiting for from him :)13:44
mvopossible :)13:45
mvokamstrup: no need for progress reporting anyway as quick as s-c starts these days ;)13:46
kamstrupmvo: yeah - i've noticed :-) awesome job!13:47
kamstrupmvo: although S-C gets mighty confused over the fact that I use indicator-network, hence Connman, and not NetworkManager :-)13:48
mvooh, yeah, poor thing. I need to look at the conman dbus api to support that as well13:48
mvoI will try to push the new s-c today, I have one test failure left, otherwise its ready to go13:48
and471kamstrup: woo indicator-network! :)13:48
didrockskamstrup: ok :)13:49
kamstrupmvo: I have some sample code from Zeitgeist here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist/zeitgeist/storagemonitor2/view/head:/_zeitgeist/engine/extensions/storagemonitor.py#L34313:50
kamstrupmvo: that whole class is (C) Canonical if it matters13:51
mvoit does13:52
seb128kenvandine, happy pîloting14:13
seb128kenvandine, you have a bunch of gwibber bugs with patches, not sure if you want those to be added to the sponsoring queue or just review the gwibber list ;-)14:13
kenvandinei'll look over them14:14
pittiback in a bit15:09
kenvandineman i am pretty glad we don't use source package branches for everything... these checkouts can take ages16:08
kenvandinereally adds latency to piloting16:08
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kenvandinemaybe i need to learn about these lightweight checkouts i keep hearing about16:22
evilvishpitti: is there a way to override the apport's "you are not using an Ubuntu package" ?  (i'm trying to report a bug in kernel from maverick beta, but kernel *is* from an actual old ubuntu package)16:27
evilvishits just that i downloaded and installed the old ubuntu .deb16:27
pittievilvish: yes, see man apport-bug -- $APPORT_IGNORE_OBSOLETE_PACKAGES16:29
pitti(aka. man ubuntu-bug)16:29
evilvishoh neat! thanks..16:29
pittievilvish: testing my new dh_scour against the humanity icons now, BTW16:30
evilvishawesome! yea, just noticed the comment16:30
evilvishhehe, several thought that all those icon changes were intentional :D16:30
pittithey are quite subtle to spot16:31
pittiI don't see a bug in http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/cc-natty.png16:32
evilvishsome were just color changes, some icons have a much drastic effect, like the nautilus navigation icons one layer of stroke went missing16:32
seb128kenvandine, it's just an option to bzr checkout, you can easily try16:32
* evilvish looks16:32
seb128kenvandine, bzr help checkout16:32
kenvandineseb128, yea...i should have done that before checking out liferea16:32
kenvandinebeen going well over 30 minutes now.. hate to stop it now :)16:33
evilvishpitti: the printer is actually white , user info too, window settings icons are all missing some layer or the other,16:33
evilvish the "appearances" icon colors are messed up too16:34
pittievilvish: oh, the color of the tie16:34
pittiI thought red ties were just more fashionable16:34
evilvishpitti: yea, the border of the white shirt, is not supposed to be orange16:34
pitti Original file size: 11018 bytes; new file size: 7413 bytes (67.28%)16:34
pittidifference: 0.00%16:34
pittithis thing is still quite effective16:34
pittisome icons are reduced to 25%16:35
evilvishseems to compress the file, but changes a lot of the design.. its a artistic script ;p16:35
pittikenvandine: do you still have scour workarounds in gwibber, etc.?16:35
pittievilvish: with a 0% difference the rendered images are visually identical16:35
evilvishpitti: for comparison » http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/cc-maverick.png16:37
evilvishand http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/nautilus-maverick.png16:37
evilvishif it looks the same, awesome .. :)16:37
kenvandinepitti, i do16:37
kenvandinepitti, i'll try to remove it :)16:38
pittikenvandine: you can revert that again with the next scour upload :)16:38
kenvandinei'll do it over the weekend to make sure it is built and all :)16:38
evilvishpitti: if you want, you can give me the local .deb before uploading , i can manually check it too..  (or)  you could create a script which converts all the svg ~> png and package those files16:48
pittidarn, I installed it, but killed the build tree16:49
pittilooks good again16:49
pitti383/2196 have too much difference and were sorted out16:49
evilvishbut i suspect the png wont compress as good as the svgs..  we dont want to increase CD SIZE!!! , do we ? ;p16:50
pittiok, all uploaded16:55
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chrisccoulsonpitti - did you do a langpack update on maverick yesterday?17:50
pittichrisccoulson: yes, to -proposed17:50
chrisccoulsonpitti - bug 73276817:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 732768 in firefox "ask.com is the only search provider" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73276817:50
chrisccoulson(because of the missing localized searchplugins)17:50
pittichrisccoulson: is that about the search plugins?17:50
pittiso back to square one17:51
chrisccoulsonthe new langpacks leave an empty /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/$(LANGCODE), which firefox uses for the search plugins17:51
chrisccoulsoni wish i knew how arne rolled the searchplugins in to the langpacks :(17:51
pittichrisccoulson: were these contained in the translation XPI, or were those separate XPIs?17:52
pittichrisccoulson: in the latter case, once we find them we could just add them to po2xpi and be done with it17:52
chrisccoulsonpitti - they're not in the xpi's17:52
seb128chrisccoulson, drop him an email asking that?17:52
seb128chrisccoulson, he still comments on bugs sometimes17:52
seb128chrisccoulson, so he's still around it seems17:52
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i can do. in the meantime, we need to make sure we don't publish the langpacks to -updates :)17:53
seb128well, he's on this channel as well ;-)17:53
chrisccoulsonArneGoetje, ^^ :)17:53
pittichrisccoulson: ah, process_lp_export does something like that17:54
pitti                if [ -d $DATA_DIR/$application_to_process/searchplugins/$ul ]; then17:54
pittibut that's gone17:55
pittidata -> ../mozilla-upstream-locales/17:55
pittiand that's a dangling symlink17:55
pittihm, no asac17:55
pittihe cared about that stuff17:55
pittithey aren't in po2xpi proper anyway17:56
pittichrisccoulson: so they are missing from natty as well, correct?17:56
chrisccoulsonpitti - yes, but firefox falls back to loading the en-US ones that it ships17:57
chrisccoulsonthe reason this doesn't work in maverick is that the language pack leaves an empty folder, rather than no folder17:57
pittichrisccoulson: what's an example language which should have a plugin?17:57
pittichrisccoulson: ah, zh-CN has one17:59
chrisccoulsonpitti - i think we ship them for all languages. AFAIK, most of them are copies of the en-US plugins we have in firefox (the intention was that we would localize them)17:59
chrisccoulsonyes, zh-CN is a special case17:59
pittiah, ok18:00
pittichrisccoulson: so I guess I could just extract them from the older maverick packages18:00
pittichrisccoulson: so the fallback doesn't work in maverick then?18:00
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, no fallback in maverick because of the empty folder18:01
pittichrisccoulson: maverick didn't even get new -base packages,18:02
pittithe original -base packages from final release have them still18:02
pittithe previous update packs had them as well (unnecessarily), and they replaced the -base ones18:03
pittiso they are now gone18:03
pittiwhy oh why were they ever in the update pack at all..18:03
pittichrisccoulson: ok, so I guess I know what to do now18:03
chrisccoulsonpitti - excellent, thanks :)18:05
pittichrisccoulson: for natty, do I need to ship them in every package?18:05
pittior is -zh enough?18:05
chrisccoulsonpitti - for now, i guess just zh-CN is sufficient, although I would like to be able to localize these at some point18:07
pittichrisccoulson: (as we don't ship the dir at all there)18:07
pittichrisccoulson: yes, but then we can add them once we actually have something to add; no need to just copy identical files18:07
chrisccoulsonyeah, that sounds ok18:07
chrisccoulsonat some point, i'm going to set a geographical location parameter in the google search plugins18:09
chrisccoulson(which will be locale-specific18:09
* pitti waves good bye, have a nice weekend everyone!18:14
chrisccoulsonhave a good weekend pitti18:15
didrocksenjoy pitti18:16
seb128pitti, see you ;-)18:20
ari-tczewogra: did you look on it? https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/natty/metacity/metacity-fix-717216/+merge/5219918:29
ari-tczewsomeone else from desktop team could look as well ^^18:29
* didrocks waves good night18:42
bcurtiswxkenvandine, mind helping me test to see if there's a bug in empathy?19:36
kenvandinethere are no empathy bugs :)19:36
bcurtiswxsend me an IM plz19:36
kenvandinebcurtiswx, btw... i figured out the progress bar thing seems to be a bug in unity :)19:36
bcurtiswxah, neat!19:37
kenvandinei can't get progress bars to work in python either19:37
bcurtiswxjcastro, can we already request sponsorship for UDS-O ?19:54
broderbcurtiswx: the form's been up for a while now19:54
jcastrobcurtiswx: yes, it's been announced for a while now19:54
* bcurtiswx must be on the wrong mailing lists :X hehe, thx19:54
jcastrobcurtiswx: goto uds.ubuntu.com19:55
jcastroand follow the instructions?19:55
broderjcastro: ooc, do you have an estimate for when you guys will be announcing your decisions?19:55
bcurtiswxim going to right now19:55
jcastroit should have been sent to -devel or -announce19:55
jcastrobroder: as soon as possible after the deadline (28 March is the deadline)19:55
broderjono definitely blogged it19:55
bcurtiswxjcastro, OK, could have ended up in a delete festival at one point. thx tho :)19:55
* broder nods19:55
kenvandinejcastro, nothing on those mailing lists19:58
kenvandinejust fyi19:58
jcastrook I will send something out19:58
seb128kenvandine, no worry they do it every cycle20:01
seb128jcastro and the other community guys assume everybody is reading planet and twitter daily ;-)20:01
seb128so they don't bother with old fashin medias20:01
seb128that's community team for you ;-)20:02
jcastroseb128: that's not true20:06
jcastroI'm not the "announcer of UDS"20:06
jcastroso don't assume I don't read mailing lists. :p20:06
seb128jcastro, oh I don't assume that, I just say that you guys can't be bothered about people who don't read planet or twitter or the new hype media is ;-)20:10
seb128jcastro, that's not the first cycle we have this issue20:10
jcastroit's happened 3 times in a row20:10
seb128just for the record I didn't know that sponsoring was on either20:10
bcurtiswxsponsorship request completed20:11
bcurtiswxmy fingers hurt now :P20:11
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