[06:35] Does anyone ever talk in this room [06:38] Yeah, quite often. [06:38] More often during the day, for Europe, though ;) [06:53] hey RAOF [07:01] hi kenvandine [07:04] Heya kenvandine [07:07] * kenvandine wonders how today's release of indicator-datetime is actually buggier than the previous version [07:07] * kenvandine is glad it didn't get uploaded [07:07] Ra raw. [07:07] Buggier? [07:08] crashes more often, randomly doesn't show appointments [07:08] and most of the preferences dialog flickrs between being sensitive and insensitive [07:08] nothing like a check box you can't click fast enough :) [07:08] Ah. So buggier by being less consistently broken? :) [07:09] right :) [07:09] * kenvandine isn't going to sponsor this :-D [07:09] Mine is nice and consistent. The indicator *never* works :)( [07:09] hehe [07:09] it has been working pretty well on my laptop [07:09] but crashing constantly on my desktop [07:10] but with today's version it is just whacked out on both :-D [07:11] Aaaargh. Brain melting runtime-patched dispatch assembly! [07:12] No-one will notice if libGL accidentally breaks unrelated code on IA32, right? [07:19] Wah? The dynamic loader handles loading modules with the initial-exec tls class? [07:22] good morning [07:22] evilvish: hey, around? [07:23] Crazy morning, didrocks! [07:24] hey RAOF o/ [07:24] RAOF: so, putting the GPU in the oven worked! [07:24] Sweet! [07:24] it's kind of scary :) [07:26] Also scary: IA32 assember. [07:28] didrocks: hey.. [07:28] RAOF: heh :) [07:28] evilvish: hey, how are you? [07:28] didrocks: fine here, thanks :) .. and you ? [07:29] evilvish: quite happy to be back on my laptop et not on a netbook anymore :) [07:29] haha! [07:29] * didrocks hopes it's the last time he does an unity hacking + release on his netbook [07:30] evilvish: I was wondering about the new nautilus icons [07:30] is it on purpose? [07:30] didrocks: nope, thats a scour bug. :) [07:30] oh ok :) [07:31] as it was quite at the same time than the default favorite change we made [07:31] didrocks: bug 702423 [07:31] Launchpad bug 702423 in scour "Scour corrupts icons with gradients" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702423 [07:31] ok :) [07:31] evilvish: thanks a lot for the info :) [07:31] didrocks: np.. pitti said we'll rebuild humanity once that bug is fixed [07:32] yeah, unity will be needed as well [07:32] (for the trash and places) [07:32] actually, I like the trash that way :) [07:32] ;p [07:32] matches the dock color, eh? ;) [07:32] dash* [07:32] yeah ;) [07:33] bah, is it springboard, now? [07:33] * evilvish needs to keep up! [07:33] well, in the code, it wil always be launcher :) [07:33] launcher/springboard has to coexist I guess ;) [07:33] :) [07:38] Good morning [07:38] didrocks: oven> awesome -- reliable unreliability! [07:38] pitti: heh, yeah! [07:38] good morning pitti [07:43] bonjour didrocks [08:19] Sweetshark: don't be scared about the reject message for oo.o 1:3.3.0-6ubuntu1; I source-NEWed -7ubuntu1 [08:21] pitti: k [08:25] slomo: is gstreamer0.10-editing-services a new package? [08:30] didrocks: yes [08:30] slomo: ok, maybe it need a quick FFe, pitti? What's your take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/733105 ? [08:30] Launchpad bug 733105 in ubuntu "Sync gstreamer0.10-editing-services 0.10.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [08:35] hey slomo [08:35] do we need that for anything? [08:35] no objection (it's very little effort to sync), I'm just curious [08:36] pitti: pitivi will probably depend on it soon and this might make things easier for developers [08:37] slomo: thanks [08:39] didrocks: thanks for alt-f2! but of course I have a bugreport ;) most(?) of the time when I type alt-f2 then e.g. xterm and press enter nothing happens, it seems I need to naviagte to the item first or something? [08:40] mvo: oh? no, normally enter should select the first item [08:40] mvo: when you press enter, has the first item aready appeared? [08:45] didrocks: aha, I think thats it, I type too quick. if e.g. i type "gnome-terminal" wait for a littlle bit until its there and hit enter its fine. but if I type "xterm" then (quickly) and press enter it launches gnome-terminal :) [08:45] waiting a little bit with the enter makes it work correctly [08:45] mvo: yeah, we need to add some love in the place unity-side (you can only run entries right now) [08:46] so, no stress, take your time typing it for now :) [08:47] haha [08:47] slomo: pitti: thanks [08:47] its all part of a "relax-at-your-job" plot [08:47] exactly! [08:50] good morning [08:50] I sometimes get double indicators on natty [08:51] is it a know bug? [08:51] mvo, do you want a bug report for the s-c segvfault? [08:52] zyga: its reported as bug #259219 a ELF issue apparently with libgl1 [08:52] Launchpad bug 259219 in mesa "Broken TLS support in libGL.so" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259219 [08:53] mvo, I see, thanks [08:53] gl? :-) software center 3d ? [08:53] zyga: and s-c is not the only thing affected, as a workaround you can ld_preload libstdc++ [08:53] zyga: haha, no, it just used by some of the dependencies :) [08:54] mvo, LD_PRELOAD=libstdc++ software-center? [08:55] LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 software-center [08:56] mvo, ah, it works, thanks [09:03] yw [09:08] good morning everyone [09:09] morning chrisccoulson [09:10] morning mvo [09:10] hi bryceh_ [09:11] heya glatzor [09:16] hey glatzor [09:16] hey glatzor, wie gehts? [09:19] fine pitti ! Thanks and yourself? I am currently on vacations! [09:19] glatzor: I'm great, thanks [09:21] wow, i've just seen the news [09:33] mvo: bug 711297 sounds like it's being fixed on the server side, but there's an ubuntu package task? [09:33] Launchpad bug 711297 in software-center "[master] "APIError: 500" when submitting review on utf8 appnames" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711297 [09:35] didrocks: hm, why did you close bug 722946? I don't see a new git in the archive? [09:35] Launchpad bug 722946 in git "git post-installation script fails if emacs and git is being installed at the same time." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722946 [09:35] pitti: hum? I tried to do a mass-sync --flush-syncs [09:35] ah, perhaps in limbo [09:36] oh and I closed that one because the new version is fixing it [09:36] let me check [09:36] didrocks: yes, but only -3 (which needs to be synced) [09:36] yeah, I synced it… [09:37] sigh, evolution --express turned into something completely unusable in natty [09:37] hum [09:37] weird [09:37] ogra_: that's why we didn't switch it on by default as it was planned [09:37] pitti: indeed, that one is fixed, thanks! [09:37] pitti: ok, seems that 2 syncs weren't processed [09:37] mvo: cool, thanks! you'll close it? [09:37] yep, done [09:37] pitti: I'm checking them and try to discover what wrong I did [09:37] didrocks: ok, cheers [09:37] hey pitti mvo [09:37] lut didrocks [09:37] didrocks, the version in maverick was awesome, why did they make such a huge amount of really bad design changes [09:37] bonjour seb128 [09:38] hey seb128 [09:38] salut seb128 [09:38] * ogra_ is depressed [09:38] ogra_: I don't know, I discussed that with them some weeks ago [09:39] pitti: oh, the 2 it didn't sync are the ones where AA wasn't subscribe [09:39] despite me putting the 2 in the syncs.txt file for mass-sync input [09:39] there is maybe a filter :) [09:45] ogra_, what's up? [09:45] pitti: should be ok now [09:45] cool, thanks [09:45] zyga, you mean above or was that a ping ? :) [09:45] ogra_, the former, are you an unhappy evolution user? [09:46] zyga, no, just a very very very uhappy evolution --express user ;) [09:46] in normal mode it's all fine [09:46] ah I never use that [09:46] I got fed up with normal evolution log ago [09:47] but the express UI turned into a pile of tabs, you need to wildly click until your fingers hurt to read 50 mails [09:47] (and then indeed close all these open tabs again) [09:48] pitti, do you know how what component is the bug that leads ck to list system users? [09:48] ogra_, I just tried --express and normal on my natty netbook, express had broken account setup (you need to provide account password to continue, no express did not fit my screen) [09:48] its the most ridiculous UI change i have seen in some years [09:48] pitti, how what-> on what [09:48] ogra_, evolution always felt like windows 2000 advanced server settings panel, slow, buggy and ugly [09:49] it works fine in normal mode for me and i like it [09:49] could you troll on some other channel? [09:49] seb128, sorry [09:49] that's not really the right spot for that [09:49] ogra_, your comments are fine [09:49] zyga's are not [09:49] he doesn't like it that's ok but there is no need to troll here [09:49] ogra_, I got burned by loosing my entire history/inbox a few times [09:50] seb128, I'm sorry if it sounds like trolling, that was not my intent [09:50] don't call something slow and buggy then [09:50] it's your opinion but not really constructive [09:51] mvo: about https://code.launchpad.net/~acarpine/app-install-data-ubuntu/fix-640524-666605/+merge/52956 are those files extracted in some way from our desktop files? [09:52] seb128, if by constructive you mean being able to fix it then I agree, my comments did not help, EOT as far as I'm concerned [09:52] didrocks: yeah, ideally they should be fixed in the app itself [09:52] didrocks: uh, that are many changes [09:53] zyga, not really able to fix it but concrete datas rather than opinions made on use of old versions ;-) [09:53] pitti - do you have any idea how we got the locale-specific firefox searchplugins in to the language packs in lucid and maverick? [09:53] zyga, like evo is clearly not bug free but nobody reported having lost his inbox [09:53] they're not there in natty now, and i've got no idea how arne used to make that work [09:54] zyga, and stop judging it when using it on a 256MB beagleboard from SD :P [09:54] zyga, you should perhaps have opened a bug about it rather [09:54] (i can't find the plugins anywhere) [09:54] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [09:54] seb128, ok, in natty on netbook resolution the wizard does not fit the screen [09:54] chrisccoulson, what did you read in the news? [09:54] there should be a set of plugins in /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/$(LANGUAGE) for each language pack [09:54] hi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you? [09:54] seb128, as for loosing data, I don't expect you think every user that finds an issue actually reports it? [09:54] chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [09:54] zyga, alt+click helps to move it around [09:55] seb128- the only thing on the news is the earthquake in japan ; [09:55] seb128, for the benefit of the conversation I'll try to setup my imap account on current natty and report any bugs I find [09:55] zyga, no, but how do you want to get those fixed if they are not reported? well anyway quite some people here use evo for years without issues, let's not discuss it for hours [09:55] chrisccoulson, oh ok, read that also [09:55] zyga, thanks, the nb screen issue is known [09:56] mvo: yeah [09:57] seb128, generally I agree but there seems to be a large population of users that would rather use another client and therefore don't bother trying evolution again (even though perhaps some of the bugs they experienced in the past got fixed) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [09:57] zyga, right, and I'm trying to understand what needs to be fixed that create that perception issue [09:58] zyga, I'm not convinced we have a better email client choice either [09:58] seb128, if you consider home users then thunderbird is a good alternative [09:59] ugh [09:59] zyga, out of the fact that it has no calendar or contacts integration with the desktop [09:59] ...or calendar [09:59] or doesn't work with the indicator-messages (though that seems to be worked) [09:59] seb128, in the case I experienced a rebranding would help I think, if you tried something and it did not work (I'm not referring to software here) you generally don't try that again just to see if it's better but choose something else [09:59] or "no calendar or ..." I said [10:00] oops [10:00] :) [10:00] ;-) [10:00] zyga, well I'm sure evo has real issues as well [10:00] seb128, in my perception home users don't use the calendar to plan tasks that much [10:00] not sure what is the best angle though, fix it or improve tb [10:00] seb128, and the integration should be fixed, AFAIR some people from mozilla are working on indicator support [10:01] seb128, callendar is more complex because it requires to use the evo-data-server which seems counter productive [10:01] zyga, well tb is not integrated in the desktop, it doesn't use the tech, doesn't have the same behaviour on theming, has no calendar, no contact integration, no exchange support ... it's a better email client though [10:01] seb128, I agree with what you said [10:01] so it's not an easy discussion ;-) [10:01] seb128, if you don't use those features it's a better client [10:02] we should perhaps have no email client [10:02] seb128, and for home users that's what I think is better [10:02] webmail ftw [10:02] there's the elementary people's thingy? [10:02] just a launcher which ask if you want to install a corporate solution, an email client or use a web email [10:02] seb128, we have that ;) [10:02] its the default on arm [10:02] seb128, that might be interesting [10:02] ogra, right, I'm just pointing that maybe that's what we should do on the desktop as well [10:02] arm ships the desktop-webmail package [10:02] seb128, + notification for email in the messaging indicator [10:03] and gcal integration for the calendar applet [10:03] (or any webcal) [10:03] ogra, oh, interesting, I did not know we have gcal integration for that, is it feeding evo-data-server in the back? [10:03] no, we dont [10:03] aquarius, the elementary people might be a nice bunch they don't are very reliable maintainer for a codebase you need to stay around maintained for years [10:03] seb128, a reasonable point. :) [10:04] that was a comment to your last line [10:04] aquarius, they tend to hack for fun and experiment and get bored [10:04] I am myself using evo rather than their thingy :) [10:04] seb128, I agree wrt elementary - but another aspect is interesting, there seems to be some demand for more email clients [10:04] not really [10:04] there is demand for better ones [10:04] seb128, that's what I meant [10:04] seb128, but if you consider the brand change that's what effectively happens [10:05] the yorba guys were considering starting one as well [10:05] speaking of evolution, who knows about e-d-s and the python bindings? I can't seem to create new TODO lists from Python (although I can create new TODO *items* from Python). [10:05] seb128, if you fork evo and call it something else with different UI it's just another client [10:05] seb128, as for evolution, it's IMAP still is slower compared to thunderbird, I'm waiting for my inbox to show the first item after a few good minutes of waiting [10:06] zyga, did you pick imap or imap+? [10:06] before you ask yes that's a stupidity, they should hide imap and make imap+ the default [10:06] seb128, I picked the defaults, I'm sure it was IMAP but I did not notice if it was + or "" [10:06] it's the new imap they added last year [10:06] seb128 - http://i.imgur.com/qwHwY.png ;) [10:07] check in your account preferences [10:07] seb128, I tried this with a gmail account [10:07] working unity launcher integration \o/ [10:07] (developed by upstream though, not by me) [10:07] chrisccoulson, nice [10:07] chrisccoulson, yay [10:07] and they have a working messaging menu implementation too [10:07] chrisccoulson, you really want extra work it seems ;-) [10:07] lol [10:07] i.e you want tb in [10:08] which makes me wonder why I argue, I could just drop evo from my list of things I need to watch ;-) [10:08] heh :-) [10:08] or, you could maintain tbird ;) [10:08] nice try [10:08] lol [10:08] but no way ;-) [10:09] chrisccoulson, joke aside, what is the tb calendar story? [10:10] we really need to define who is the target user there [10:10] well, there is lightning ;) i need to talk to upstream about that, i would like the calendar to work properly [10:10] like I'm sure most people on that channel are happy to have desktop calendar integration [10:10] any idea why doesn't compiz restart itself after the crash? [10:10] it crashes *a lot* lately [10:10] i.e remainders and those showing in the indicator [10:10] and every time I learn a new way of launching it without accessing terminal ;) [10:12] seb128 - you should start up a discussion on http://groups.google.com/group/thunderbird-unity about the calendar stuff ;) [10:12] lol [10:12] very active list it seems [10:12] heh :) [10:12] like I would receive a reply from jcastro maybe? ;-) [10:12] i think there's only about 5 people watching it [10:13] * Sweetshark just commited a _huge_ patch to lo-menubar: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu/natty/lo-menubar/crashfix/revision/125 [10:13] but, it's probably the 5 people that matter ;) [10:14] right [10:14] Sweetshark, nice! [10:14] chrisccoulson, well let's deal with later after the freeze etc [10:14] does that have a high bugs to line number ratio? ;) [10:14] pitti, unping, it's bug #395281 [10:14] Launchpad bug 395281 in gdm "pam_ck_connector.so is called for non-login sessions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395281 [10:16] chrisccoulson: guess so. without it Libreoffice crashes on opening the every fifth or sixth document ... [10:41] re [10:41] seb128: sorry, was on the phone; what's up? [10:42] chrisccoulson: sorry, no; we did? [10:42] pitti, you mean? [10:42] chrisccoulson: there was no particular code for this in langpack-o-matic; perhaps the xpi2xpi bits smuggled the search plugins into the translation XPIs? [10:42] seb128: "unping, it's bug ..." [10:42] pitti, the ck ping? I was just trying to find the known bug to duplicate a new "system users is listed by ck-history and show in gdm" bug [10:43] ah [10:43] pitti, it's bug #395281 [10:43] Launchpad bug 395281 in gdm "pam_ck_connector.so is called for non-login sessions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395281 [10:44] seb128: yeah, one of these bugs I'd really like to fix, but there's always something with higher prio :( [10:44] well maybe this cycle is the cycle [10:44] seems we are reaching stability early ;-) [10:45] heh, yes [10:45] and I'm actually getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/~pitti/+assignedbugs?orderby=status somewhat under control now [10:45] seb128: speaking of which, weren't you meaning to upload gdm? [10:46] pitti, well I started looking at the bug list and I figured I would sneak some extra backports and fixes in and didn't finish on that yet [10:46] pitti, if you want to get the current trunk in feel free I will do another upload next week [10:46] seb128: ah, right, I forgot about that [10:46] not urgent, I just wondered if something got broken [10:47] no, it's just that gdm has always things that could be fixed it seems ;-) [10:47] heh, yes [10:47] pitti, btw bug #724285 is yours [10:47] Launchpad bug 724285 in nautilus "[natty] Nautilus crashes with assertion error on start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724285 [10:47] * pitti sheds a tear for unity keyboard navigation; I can now open most apps with just three keystrokes [10:47] this is sooo god [10:47] good [10:48] pitti: orly? How? [10:48] soren: "orly"? [10:48] "oh, really" :) [10:49] I don't know if it's zeigeist magic or so, but it seems that I'm mostly lucky with just typing one letter [10:49] pitti, though it doesn't crash here (nautilus) [10:49] like super - d - enter -> opens d-feet [10:49] seb128: should that be reopened? did I break that somehow? [10:49] pitti, but those 'g_bus_unwatch_name: assertion `watcher_id > 0' are due to your "don't automount when screen is locked" [10:49] ah [10:49] pitti, I just reopened [10:49] we got new duplicates [10:49] seb128: please assign it to me then [10:50] pitti: Ah, cool. [10:50] pitti, it's already one [10:50] done [10:50] pitti, well at least the warning is easy to get, just run nautilus on a command line [10:50] while it's already running in the session [10:50] "nautilus -q" spews out the warning on the CLI, yes [10:50] I didn't try in a session without it running [10:51] it doesn't crash for me, though, so I didn't notice [10:51] but yes, seems easy enough to fix, I'll have a look [10:51] pitti, right, the crashes might be another issue [10:51] let's use the bug for the warning to start and see what else comes [10:51] I don't get the crash here [10:51] *nod* [10:52] * pitti hugs seb128 for taking care of the bug list [10:52] * seb128 hugs pitti for taking care of the bugs picked out of the list ;-) [10:53] didrocks: oh, thanks for getting the background bug fixed [10:53] not the end of the world, but a nice pet peeve indeed! [10:57] pitti, it's a contributor fix in fact [10:57] * seb128 hugs didrocks for the piloting [10:57] I'm happy about my patch selection [10:57] I refiled the sponsoring queue with patches from the launchpad patch queue yesterday [10:57] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ -> 19. go, Didier, go! [10:57] kees sponsored like 5 and didrocks a few extra ones today [10:57] seb128: yeah, it seems the more we sponsor the bigger it gets; perhaps because people actually notice it's working now :) [10:57] nice to see those crash fixes etc going in ;-) [10:58] I'm really happy to see that all but one entry are < 5 days old [10:58] pitti, well in fact yesterday is was my fault, I subscribed sponsors to like 25 bugs [10:58] since the queue was under 10 I figured I would pick some patches and add those to the queue [10:58] FSVO "fault", that's the correct process :) [10:58] so the pilot don't get borred [10:58] we still have a lot of bugs with "patches" in launchpad [10:59] yeah, the shift after mine got it down to 8, having some more to look at is better [10:59] that's going to take a while to clean [10:59] not to mention that launchpad doesn't have patch status so you can't get reviewed patches which are incorrect out of the list [10:59] anyway patch piloting seems working great recently [10:59] let's keep this way ;-) [10:59] I usually uncheck the "patch" check box for them [11:00] I should perhaps do that [11:00] cleansweep guys have been tagging the bugs [11:00] like patch-needswork [11:00] seb128, ouch how we gonna reach 0 if we keep adding? ;-) [11:00] but those still show with an emblem and in launchpad queries [11:00] (actually I added a few myself on my day, from the X patch queue) [11:00] bryceh_, you need to hold the carrot in front of the stick so the horse keeps running :p [11:01] yeah, for all the X bugs with patches, I unchecked all the patches that weren't valid for some reason [11:02] I think I will do that for desktop ones as well [11:02] seb128: first that was a banana, second it was an ape, and third the carriage was called "The Incredible Machine"!!! [11:03] pitti, lol [11:03] * seb128 hugs pitti [11:03] I loved that game === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:07] didrocks, you can probably let the gwibber ones on the sponsoring queue [11:07] didrocks, kenvandine is piloting today as well, I put them there for him [11:08] kenvandine, you should clean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+patches [11:08] ;-) [11:12] pitti, bug #732973 [11:12] Launchpad bug 732973 in apport "apport-gtk crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'gi.repository.Gtk' object has no attribute 'require_version'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732973 [11:16] seb128: I already fixed that, will look [11:17] pitti, yeah, I'm just mentioned it because I though that was fixed before your uploaded the new pygobject [11:17] in case that was a case your overlooked or something [11:17] I'll check; the report has the latest version [11:17] (sorry, @phone again) [11:23] seb128: oh ok… [11:24] * didrocks misses the IRC ping, thaks for the dual monitor :) [11:24] didrocks, ;-) [11:24] * didrocks hugs seb128 back, few minutes late :) [11:24] thanks* [11:42] didrocks: "strip alt+F2 from gnome-panel (if needed) and integrate into unity (or external binary)" -> want to have the honor of closing this WI? :) [11:43] pitti: oh right! [11:43] pitti: let me do it with a great pleasure :) [11:43] * pitti hugs didrocks [11:43] * didrocks hugs pitti [11:43] didrocks: while you are at it: "get some plugins to be linked statically" -> is that still an issue? [11:44] pitti: yeah, this will be next step for smspillaz once he's finished on some annoying bugs [11:45] ok, so keeping then, thanks [11:46] done [11:49] Sweetshark: these four packages are currently NBS: openoffice.org-help-hi openoffice.org-help-sk openoffice.org-l10n-common openoffice.org-l10n-hi [11:49] Sweetshark: I think we can just remove openoffice.org-l10n-common (will do so now), but should the -hi and -sk ones be covered by the oo.o transitional source? [11:49] pitti: Il take a look [11:52] pitti: hmm, those are explicitly disabled [11:53] Sweetshark: oh, {help,l10n}-hi are natty only, so I think they can go indeed [11:53] Sweetshark: and -sk was only in dapper [11:53] so I guess we can kill them all [11:54] yes [11:56] so there are things still rdepends for {help,l10n}-{hi,sk}? [11:56] nope [11:56] shiny [11:56] they were on the "good to remove" list, I was just wondering if we'd need them for upgrades [12:00]