[13:21] <Daviey> Hello!
[13:22] <Daviey> jack-audio-connection-kit currently build deps on libffado-dev... i guess that is for firewire support
[13:22] <Daviey> libffado-dev is looking to be demoted to universe, so j-a-k cannot build dep against it
[13:23] <Daviey> What are your opions?
[13:23] <Daviey> opinions ?
[13:46] <falktx> Daviey: why is ffado going to universe?
[13:47] <falktx> jack without firewire is a serious issue
[13:52] <Daviey> falktx, That is the current proposal
[13:53] <Daviey> bug 730759 & bug 730760
[13:53] <Daviey> falktx, ^^.. Those two need fixing or closing.
[13:55] <falktx> Daviey: alessio is the debian guru, maybe we should ask him
[13:55] <holstein> Daviey: right
[13:55] <Daviey> falktx, Ok. can someone volunteer to come to the release meeting today?
[13:56] <holstein> Daviey: i can/will
[13:56] <holstein> we need that package
[13:57] <AutoStatic> But what are the implications?
[13:57] <AutoStatic> What if libffado-dev would be moved to universe?
[13:57] <holstein> i remember when JACK was in universe
[13:57] <falktx> AutoStatic: jack would be build without it
[13:57] <holstein> and you couldnt just apt-get things
[13:57] <holstein> you had to build them with JACK support
[13:58] <falktx> AutoStatic: unless jack goes to universe again...
[13:58] <AutoStatic> No, jack-audio-connection-kit would be build without it
[13:58] <falktx> hm?
[13:58] <holstein> right
[13:58] <AutoStatic> And then actually only jackd-firewire
[13:58] <AutoStatic> So you'll have a working JACK, but without the firewire driver
[13:58] <Daviey> hang on...
[13:59] <holstein> AutoStatic: right
[13:59] <falktx> AutoStatic: hm, splitting jackit and jackd-firewire packages?
[13:59] <holstein> we lose firewire support
[13:59] <Daviey> studio is main dependant...
[13:59] <holstein> out of the box
[13:59] <AutoStatic> holstein: true
[13:59] <Daviey> what is keeping jack in main?
[13:59] <AutoStatic> Didn't think about that
[13:59] <holstein> we can say on the site, if you have the most appropriate and popular gear in professional audio
[13:59] <AutoStatic> Daviey: a lot!
[13:59] <holstein> you can forget about using ubuntustudio
[14:00] <holstein> out of the box
[14:00] <AutoStatic> Daviey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jack-audio-connection-kit/+bug/510481
[14:00] <holstein> Daviey: where do i need to come and hangout on the IRC and talk
[14:00] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportJACK
[14:00] <holstein> to keep our interests in mind?
[14:01] <Daviey> holstein, for this issue, this channel seems suitable
[14:01] <Daviey> Is this channel logged?
[14:01] <AutoStatic> Yes
[14:01] <AutoStatic> It's logged
[14:01] <Daviey> what is the URL?
[14:02] <AutoStatic> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/11/
[14:03] <Daviey> oh :)
[14:03] <AutoStatic> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/11/%23ubuntustudio-devel.txt
[14:03] <holstein> Daviey: i appreciate you coming and asking about it :)
[14:03] <AutoStatic> To be exact :)
[14:03] <Daviey> holstein, I've told the release manager that you'll be at the meeting
[14:03] <Daviey> 16:00 UTC today.
[14:03] <Daviey> in #ubuntu-meeting
[14:03] <holstein> getting JACK over in the main repo was quite a win for US
[14:04] <holstein> we are currently dealing with getting an appropriate kernel in the repos
[14:04] <Daviey> holstein, Well those two bugs need to either be MIR'd, or the the requirement removed :)
[14:04] <AutoStatic> Only ffado-mixer depends on dbus-c++
[14:05] <AutoStatic> ie if you want to use ffado-mixer you need dbus-c++
[14:05] <Daviey> libosso1 aswell
[14:06] <holstein> Daviey: im looking at those bugs
[14:06] <holstein> Daviey: meeting in 2 hours?
[14:06] <holstein> that sounds right?
[14:06] <Daviey> holstein, yeah..
[14:06] <holstein> OK
[14:07] <Daviey> holstein, I know it's short notice, but If you can try and come up with a solution in time for the meeting - that would be awesome.
[14:07] <Daviey> (doko only mentioned it shortly before i mentioned it)
[14:08] <holstein> Daviey: well, i will/can come up with something
[14:08] <holstein> not in 2 hours though
[14:08] <holstein> but, firewire *cannot* be taken out
[14:08] <AutoStatic> Maybe split the ffado-dbus-server and ffado-mixer packages from libffado and put those in universe?
[14:08] <holstein> but, we can get it fixed
[14:10] <holstein> AutoStatic: do the bugs make sense to you?
[14:10] <AutoStatic> Not at all :(
[14:11] <holstein> i dont think #ffado is going to be the answer
[14:11] <AutoStatic> I know what dbus-c++ relates too
[14:11] <holstein> those guys are awesome, but not in a hurry about anything
[14:11] <AutoStatic> And that it used to be included with the ffado source tarball
[14:12] <AutoStatic> But Debian now has a dbus-c++ package
[14:12] <AutoStatic> Probably has something to do with that
[14:13] <holstein> falktx: does that make any sense to you?
[14:14] <falktx> hm, what?
[14:14] <holstein> falktx: the bug reports?
[14:14] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libconfig/+bug/730760
[14:15] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-c++/+bug/730759
[14:15] <AutoStatic> First one, seems dbus-c++ is orphaned?
[14:15] <falktx> holstein: if a package is not really being used (only ffado depends on them), then the bugs make sense
[14:16] <holstein> falktx: right, but theres got to be a better solution than taking the whole thing out
[14:16] <holstein> that would hurt US quite a bit
[14:17] <Daviey> Well the reasoning for taking it out, is to avoid putting those two packages in bugs into main.
[14:17] <Daviey> If those two bugs can be solved, then there isn't an issue.
[14:17] <Daviey> :)
[14:17] <AutoStatic> in bugs => with bugs?
[14:18] <Daviey> those two packages, mentioned in the bugs.
[14:19] <AutoStatic> libconfig and dbus-c++?
[14:20] <Daviey> yes
[14:21] <AutoStatic> So no symbol files and dbus-c++ is orphaned in Debian
[14:21] <AutoStatic> symbols files
[14:22] <holstein> Daviey: you know anyone on the MIR team?
[14:23] <AutoStatic> I've looked briefly at this symbols files thing for a package I wanted to upload
[14:23] <AutoStatic> And was happy to find the stuff I needed in the pkg multimedia git repo
[14:23] <AutoStatic> because it's way over my head ;)
[14:23] <Daviey> holstein, well i guess.
[14:23] <holstein> Daviey: on the IRC right now?
[14:24] <holstein> im just trying to find a contact
[14:24] <Daviey> holstein, didrocks will be in #ubuntu-devel at the moment.
[14:24] <falktx> if someone makes symbols file for libconfig, would it be accepted/fixed ?
[14:24] <holstein> OK
[14:24] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~didrocks
[14:24] <holstein> ^^ gotcha
[14:30] <holstein> i'll try kees til i see didrocks join
[14:31] <holstein> Daviey: do you know if that is true?
[14:31] <holstein> 09:23 < falktx> if someone makes symbols file for libconfig, would it be accepted/fixed ?
[14:32] <Daviey> try #ubuntu-devel :)
[14:32] <holstein> OK
[14:36] <holstein> seems like the only people working today and the package pullers ;)
[14:36] <holstein> are*
[15:04] <holstein> Daviey: any other ideas?
[15:05] <holstein> persia jussi TheMuso abogani - you guys have any ideas/suggestions ?
[15:05] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-c++/+bug/730759
[15:05] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libconfig/+bug/730760
[15:05] <Daviey> holstein, Is didrocks not around in #ubuntu-devel?
[15:05] <Daviey> holstein, I'm really sorry, but i need to finish prepairing for the meeting myself.
[15:05] <holstein> Daviey: no worries
[15:06] <holstein> i'll try being more agressive
[16:04] <holstein> Daviey: im in that meeting
[16:04] <holstein> i have no idea how to even respond
[16:04] <Daviey> holstein, great
[16:04] <holstein> or what any of that means
[16:04] <holstein> SO, ping me or whatever
[16:04] <Daviey> holstein, I'm still writing my notes :)
[16:04] <Daviey> holstein, What plan did you have?
[16:04] <Daviey> come up with anything?
[16:05] <holstein> nope
[16:05] <holstein> i'll say im on it
[16:05] <Daviey> ah, ok
[16:05] <holstein> and i commented on the bugs
[16:05] <Daviey> great
[16:05] <holstein> and i need more time
[16:05] <Daviey> nice one
[16:05] <holstein> and it cant be demoted
[16:05] <Daviey> I'll try and convince doko to help
[16:05] <holstein> i mean, if that gets demoted, we can just let ubuntustudio go
[16:05] <holstein> we are already so far behind all the other audio distros
[16:05] <holstein> BUT
[16:05] <holstein> thats for another day :)
[16:06]  * holstein focusing on the positive
[16:06] <holstein> Daviey: just let me know when you want me to 'report'
[16:06] <holstein> ive already been pinging doko
[16:06] <holstein> and plan on following up on that
[16:08] <Daviey> holstein, great, there will probably be an open discussion at the end
[16:08] <Daviey> As -studio doesn't have a dedicated session, that is where you should mention it
[17:55] <holstein> ailo: you got a minute?
[17:56] <ailo> holstein, sure
[17:56] <holstein> while you were out
[17:56] <ailo> holstein, Wazzup, my man?
[17:56] <holstein> hehe
[17:56]  * holstein high-fives ailo ;)
[17:57] <holstein> would you look at a couple bugs
[17:57] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-c++/+bug/730759
[17:57] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libconfig/+bug/730760
[17:58] <holstein> i think i have someone that is going to 'fix' them
[17:58] <holstein> and Daviey brought them to our attention earlier
[18:06] <ailo> holstein, I'm not all that clear on how all that works. Was just looking at the changelog for the package in Ubuntu
[18:07] <ailo> ..Ubuntu's repo, and saw that the package in Debian Squeeze is almost the same version
[18:07] <holstein> ailo: well, just keep in in the back of your mind for a bit
[18:07] <holstein> we have to sort that out
[18:07] <holstein> OR get someone to sort it out before beta
[18:08] <holstein> beta-1
[18:08] <holstein> fix it
[18:08] <holstein> or use an earlier verion in natty for a temporary fix
[18:08] <holstein> otherwise, JACK wont support firewire out of the box
[18:08] <ailo> holstein, The debian squeeze version is practically identical
[18:11] <ailo> holstein, At the time the current Ubuntu package was packaged (November 2010), the same Debian package was still in Debian experimental repo. Now it's in stable, however, maybe we would have wanted to use a newer version if possible?
[18:11] <holstein> maybe
[18:11] <holstein> ailo: i might try and ping you
[18:12] <holstein> and take you to the other guy
[18:12] <holstein> when i hear from him
[18:12] <holstein> if you dont mind
[18:12] <holstein> i dont want to take a step backward with JACK
[18:12] <holstein> and lose default firewire support
[18:12] <ailo> holstein, I don't mind. I'm probably not of so much help. The last people involved in the packaging were Adrian Knoth and TheMuso. Maybe one of them could help?
[18:13] <holstein> ailo: thats good to know
[18:13] <holstein> we'll see how it pans out in the next few days
[18:13] <holstein> im going to take a nap before driving to the gig :)
[18:14] <holstein> bbl..
[18:14] <ailo> holstein, Also, Jonas Smedegaard has been involved in the most recent changes.