[05:56] Good evening! I hear this real-time kernel is pretty nifty. Anybody know anything about it? [08:28] should it be ok to connect two microphones to a single mic input using a splitter? [08:28] hey there. i'm on Ubuntu 10.10 & trying to get this MIDI input device (http://www.ionaudio.com/discoverkeyboardusb) working with milkytracker. the keyboard works in other programs (VMPK, Piano Booster etc.) but not milky. any tips, i've been searching around all day..can't figure this one out [08:43] jo-erlend: If the mic input is stereo then it's no problem if you split it to 2x mono [08:44] bc81: MilkyTracker and MIDI is very, very iffy [08:45] Which version of Milky does 20.20 have? [08:45] 10.10 I mean [08:55] AutoStatic: not sure what it was, i upgraded to the latest with a ppa (MIDI not working in either version) [08:56] Which PPA? [08:57] AutoStatic: i used the one that waslinked from the milkytracker download page: https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra [08:58] Ah ok, that shoudl work, I've used that one too for 10.04 [08:58] ^^should [08:58] SOme times it works, sometimes it doesn't, not sure why [08:58] That doesn't help you of course [08:59] Your MIDI connections are set up right? [09:00] well, that's just the thing i don't know how to set them up. to get them working with the other programs i mentioned, i just started fluidsynth in a terminal and everything worked fine [09:00] is there some kind of software i can use to set up MIDI connections? [09:03] aconnectgui [09:04] Or if you use JACK, QjackCtl and then the ALSA tab of the Connections window [09:15] AutoStatic: ok, got the JACK running..in the ALSA tab of connections..now what? there's a "MIDI through" and "ION Laptop Piano" in each column, i tried running VMPK but now it's not working where earlier it was with fluidsynth in a terminal [09:16] this is so convoluted [09:17] He he, it's not comvoluted, it's modular ;) [09:17] ^^convoluted [09:18] You want to use FluidSynth with your MIDI keyboard? [09:19] Or MilkyTracker? [09:19] And did you try aconnectgui? I ask this because MilkyTracker does support JACK but only after some tweaking. [09:20] ok, i;ll try aconnectgui again..i want to use midi keybord with milkytracker [09:23] haha got it! thanks man..whew that only took all day [09:23] The MilkyTracker MIDI connection is called RtMidi Input Client btw [09:23] Ah cool! [09:24] yea, it wan't all connected i just had to go out from piano into midi through port-0 [09:24] that was the missing step [09:25] my next question, any way to start these different software and have them automatically make the proper connections in aconnectgui? [09:26] You could use a little script [09:26] There are session managers, but they only work with JACK [09:26] And JACK and MilkyTracker needs some fiddling [09:30] Something like this: [09:31] #!/bin/bash [09:31] milkytracker & [09:31] vmpk & [09:31] sleep 2 [09:31] aconnect VMPK RtMidi [09:31] That starts MilkyTracker and VMPK, then waits 2 seconds so those apps can start and then it connects the VMPK output with the MilkyTracker MIDI input [09:35] AutoStatic: that's brilliant, thanks. just what i needed to get started in this stuff. only problem i'm having with that is VMPK only makes sound when fluidsynth is started, i'm going to try adding a line in that script. see i don't know what is and isn't compatible, there's so much to learn [09:36] no, when i do that still no sound in VMPK, and input not recognized in milky [09:37] maybe its the command used to start fluidsynth: fluidsynth -g 2 -C 0 -R 0 -r 22050 -c 6 -z 128 -l -a alsa -o audio.alsa.device=plughw:0 -o midi.alsa_seq.id=fs /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2 /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GS.sf2 [09:37] VMPK is a virtual MIDI keyboard, it doesn't make any sound by itself [09:37] I've never used fluidsynth from the command line so I'm not sure [09:38] there's a GUI? [09:38] Try Qsynth [09:38] ok [09:38] Or jack-dssi-host fluidsynth.so [09:38] from the command line [09:39] Both apps need JACK to run though [09:39] Ah, no, Qsynth can also run with just ALSA [09:40] qsynth -a alsa [09:41] Oops, I meant jack-dssi-host fluidsynth-dssi.so if you want to use the FluidSynth DSSI plug-in as stand-alone app. [09:46] AutoStatic: i get errors for that command (after installing the package dssi-host-jack) http://pastebin.com/28UvtmQp [09:49] sudo apt-get install fluidsynth-dssi [09:53] there's loads of static after loading soundfonts: /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2 & FluidR3_GS.sf2 [09:54] sigh, it's ok i'll just stick to running one thing at a time (either fluidsynth+Piano Booster, or aconnect+milky) [09:55] static is probably a sample rate issue [09:57] well, i'll try to sort that out later, i can't thank you enough for all your help [09:57] NP [12:24] Hello! [12:24] Would it make you sad if jack lost firewire support? [12:25] (for natty) [12:26] Why would JACK loose FireWire support for Natty? [13:04] AutoStatic, sorry, missed this - not being hilighted. [13:05] We are looking to demote libffado from main, jack - being on main, can't depend on it. [13:11] Daviey: so libffado will move to universe? [13:12] AutoStatic, that is the plan [13:12] or, the desired thing :) [13:12] Daviey: iirc actually the jackd-firewire package does the 'bridging' [13:13] Daviey: So if that would move to universe I don't see much issues [13:14] Daviey: but is part of the JACK package [13:15] So you'll have to split up that package [13:18] it's an issue for, bug 730759 & bug 730760 :/ [13:18] Launchpad bug 730759 in dbus-c++ (Ubuntu Natty) "[MIR] b-d for libffado" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730759 [13:18] Launchpad bug 730760 in libconfig (Ubuntu Natty) "[MIR] b-d for libffado" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730760 [13:18] AutoStatic, Can someone from the dev team come to the release meeting? [13:20] No idea, you might ask on #ubuntustudio-devel [13:20] I'm not a part of the dev team [13:21] ah [13:21] AutoStatic, thanks for your help [13:21] NP [13:52] jo-erlend: i would not [13:52] connect 2 mic's with a spliter [13:52] you can split a signal alright with a splitter [13:52] but not join [13:53] jo-erlend: NM [13:53] i see you and AutoStatic discussed it already :) [13:54] Most Mic inputs are stereo afaik [13:54] So if you use a 2x mono splitter it should work [13:54] AutoStatic: yeah, depends on the hardware [13:55] AutoStatic: WTF is up with that firewire thing? [13:55] Daviey: i think it would suck [13:55] who needs to go where? [13:55] to help make that not happen? [13:55] holstein, discussion in -devel [15:42] holstein, AutoStatic: damn. I was hoping I could use a headset and my guitar at the same time without getting a new soundcard. [15:43] hmm [15:43] i dont think so [15:43] you wont want to plug your guitar right into a sound card anyways === frederickjh is now known as frederickjh_away [15:50] jo-erlend: check out [15:50] http://tascam.com/product/us-100/ [15:50] or something like a http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx [15:51] with a mixer like http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/502.aspx [15:52] you should be able to get both those for around $70 US [15:53] yes, I should invest in something like that. [15:56] I do tend to penalize companies for making statements such as these: «TASCAM’s US-200 is a 2-in/4-out USB 2.0 Audio/MIDI Interface for Mac and Windows computers, housed in a lightweight, portable chassis.» [15:58] you mean the mac and windows part? [15:58] yes. [15:58] well, RME supports linux [15:58] but, even the 'starter kit' basic is probably a grand or so [15:58] im assuming thats overkill for your needs [15:59] I actually bought a webcam I seriously had no need for when I saw Creative: «Works with Linux». I do the opposite when the companies do the opposite. [15:59] a grand of NOKs are ok. I suppose that's not what you meant? :) [15:59] NOK ? [16:00] Norwegian Crowns. [16:00] the audio folks have to be careful [16:00] they get money from who knows where [16:01] heh... And now people have decided that all wireless audio equipment has to be replaced, I read somewhere. [16:01] the devices i suggested though work well [16:01] out of the box [16:02] sure, but they're advertising either incompetence or an agenda against Linux. Neither works well as an incentive to buy. [16:02] well, the internal card you are using had no linux endorsements either [16:03] actually, it did. [16:03] but, i always suggest emailing the companies [16:03] well, the motherboard did. [16:03] jo-erlend: right on [16:03] i share those convictions [16:03] BUT, i also need professional equipment [16:03] for what i do [16:03] so, i walk the line [16:04] but they don't have to brag about linux support, as long as they don't say that it's "designed for Windows and Mac". [16:06] I'm just an artist. I can live without "professional equipment". I can make better recordings with my N900 than some of my biggest heroes could in studios. :) [16:06] hmmm [16:07] id like to hear that [16:07] i would personally like to see some 'built for linux' firewire interfaces [16:07] you're in luck then. As a test, I uploaded a few videos onto youtube. Let me find them. [16:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs9yojlmR8c [16:10] it wasn't really meant for distribution. :) [16:10] cool [16:10] nice playing [16:10] when you turn it on [16:10] and you hear that level of noise? [16:10] kinda like wind [16:10] that is about as loud as the guitar [16:11] thats what nice gear helps with [16:12] nice preamps [16:12] sure. But I'm not that interested in perfect audio. [16:12] thanks btw :) [16:12] where you can get low noise to signal ratio [16:12] well, its not an issue of perfect [16:12] I usually just remove the noise in audacity :) [16:12] right [16:12] you are notching out some high end [16:12] from the source too [16:12] the guitar or vocal [16:13] you cant fix it 100% in post [16:13] I didn't really understand that [16:13] when you 'remove the noise' in audacity [16:13] that effects the rest of the audio as well [16:13] even if you dont use the EQ much [16:13] I made a little recording a little while ago. You can listen if you like. I think the result was quite nice, even though there was a lot of noise to begin with. [16:13] and use some really nice commercial noise removal [16:14] ideally, you track it without the hiss [16:14] jo-erlend: sure, link it up :) [16:14] sure, if I can get some nice equipment without feeling like a second class citizen because of my choice of OS, I'm all for it. [16:15] eh, its all buisness [16:15] some of them support linux [16:15] motu is not cool [16:15] maudio has great support [16:15] *usually [16:16] i mean, the same thing could be said about gaming [16:16] intel is by far the most linux friendly [16:16] but, if you want to game, you need ati or nvidia [16:16] I do say the same thing about gaming. [16:16] and who knows when they will say 'supports linux' on the box [16:17] im not saying it makes it right [16:17] im just saying, you need those tools for gamin [16:17] g [16:20] I would rather purchase two soundboards from Creative with a Tux-label than a single device with two inputs. [16:21] and i understand why [16:21] BUT [16:21] ... that doesn't, I mean. [16:21] creative does not make proper equipment [16:21] for plugging your guitar into your computer [16:21] they make consumer audio gear [16:21] which is fine [16:22] and you can route a mixer into it, and get the job done [16:23] right. And I won't have to be a hipocrite. [16:23] well, about linux support at least [16:24] hehe, what's that supposed to mean? [16:24] if you were in a room full of linux users [16:24] youd be fine [16:24] in a room full of recording engineers.. im not so sure ;) [16:25] whenever I'm in a room with other people, I'm in a room with Linux users, whether they know it or not :) [16:25] hehe [16:25] you'd be fine with that behringer mixer i linked [16:26] routed to your sound card [16:26] BUT that doesnt change anyones buisness practices are berhinger [16:27] music is a major part of my freedom. I object verbosely and loudly to the idea that I should give up freedom in order to play music. I'd rather not record. [16:27] yeah, but using the proper tool for the job doesnt violate your freedom [16:28] just because maudio doesnt have a picture of a penguin [16:28] doesnt mean they are volitile [16:28] AND, that picture of a penguin on creative gear [16:28] is a buisness decision [16:28] and i appreciate it [16:28] BUT, our freedoms are not on the radar [16:29] then I certainly won't lend them my monetary strength. [16:29] because of the penguin sticker? [16:29] what does that sticker indicate? [16:29] does it say 'we write linux drivers' ? [16:30] no, as I said, they don't have to brag about linux support, as long as they don't brag about win and osx support either. [16:30] does it say 'the chipsets we use are supported by the linux kernel' ? [16:30] what does it actually indicate? [16:30] i mean, i assume it indicates 'if you are a linux user, buy this' [16:30] that they don't assume that everyone uses Windows or OS X [16:31] well, they assume that money can be made by providing a statement [16:31] and I support that idea. [16:31] right, me too [16:31] but, it doesnt mean anything really [16:32] unless they are releasing infomation [16:32] so drivers can be writtne [16:32] so drivers can be written [16:32] ...but you support them even if they say that you have to switch to Windows or OS X in order to use the equipment? [16:32] and maudio does that [16:32] they dont have a sticker [16:32] jo-erlend: theres not a sticker that says that [16:32] switch to win or OSX [16:33] thats a suggested supported operating system statement [16:33] for the masses [16:33] holstein: it says it supports Windows and OS X. It doesn't mention anything else. I don't buy that. I also don't buy headsets that are designed for Skype. [16:33] right [16:33] and i agree so an extent [16:33] its just that some companies DO release infomation [16:33] such as broadcom [16:33] recently [16:34] and thats all we need [16:34] we dont need to be hard-ons about a sticker on the box [16:34] in my opinion [16:34] and, it really hits me where i work when it comes to choosing audio geat [16:34] gear* [16:34] sure, if they said "We support Windows, OS X and others*", then that'd be something else. They don't say that. They say: use windows or os x. [16:35] yeah? [16:35] i dont read 'use' [16:35] i read 'supported' [16:35] and again, thats marketing [16:35] its a buisness after all [16:36] i mean, get what you want [16:36] ok, I'm an atheist, but let's pretend I was a muslim. Then I read on some food: "designed for Atheists, Jews and Christians". Would I buy that food? [16:36] im not trying to step on any freedoms [16:36] im just saying [16:36] a sticker on a box is marketing [16:36] even the penguin [16:36] some comapanies release info [16:36] and some dont [16:37] your returnkey is going to get worn out before its time. :) [16:37] jo-erlend: and you'd probably would buy that food, if the alternatives didnt work for you [16:39] the point is that they're promoting platforms I don't use, implicitly saying that their products aren't for me. Even if I know that it works, I won't buy it. [16:39] right [16:39] and im saying when its luctrative to promote those platforms, they will [16:39] and I won't help make such stupidity even more lucrative. [16:40] and i think you are avoiding some hardware from manufacturers that *do* support freedom [16:40] and release information freely [16:40] if they don't say so, they don't support it. [16:41] on the box? [16:41] nothing with that new broadcom chip says linux supported [16:41] AFAIK [16:41] if they say that their equipment works on Windows, OS X and nothing else, then yes, they don't support Linux, even if their equipment is usable on that platform. [16:41] and that the most recent mainstream company i know of t decide to do that [16:42] i think its different with audio [16:42] when OSX really rules the market [16:42] and as a company you would want that to be the marketing angle probably [16:42] it does? I know some musicians, and none of them uses OS X. [16:43] yeah? [16:43] its been the industry standard for years now [16:43] OSX - protools [16:43] the problem is that Windows is the big platform and OS X is for creative people, while Linux is for geeks. Well. Geeks are creative and truly creative people appreciate their freedom. Some of the old misconceptions have to die. [16:44] and i agree to an extent [16:44] its just that i see the problem differently [16:44] microsoft and apple are companies [16:44] linux is you and me [16:45] and anyone else [16:45] there is no 'linux' [16:45] geeks or no [16:45] "software designed for white people. Sure, it works for blacks too, we just don't encourage it, because there isn't enough money in it." [16:45] ^^ thats not the point either [16:45] seems to be from where I'm standing. [16:46] i just urge you to look deeper than what stickers are on the box [16:47] we need information about devices released [16:47] they can write whatever they need to on the box [16:47] whatever sells it [16:47] would a "works with linux"-sticker have any adverse effects on the purchase of windows and osx users? [16:48] i think the companies are just realizing having a campaign like that would actually help [16:48] jo-erlend: maybe [16:48] it would cost more though [16:48] printing them up [16:48] and paying someone to stick them on [16:48] OR changing the current boxes [16:49] well, as long as they keep their "white people are more valuable"-politics, I won't support them [16:49] right [16:49] i hear you [16:49] however [16:49] maudio releases information [16:49] freely [16:49] * jo-erlend is really white, mind you. Blue eyes and all. [16:49] and creative gear sucks [16:50] compared to what? [16:50] anything [16:50] really ;) [16:50] like a sixties home studio? [16:50] anything with an XLR in [16:50] I don't even know what that is. :) [16:50] right [16:50] i do , and i need them [16:51] and i support companies that support linux too [16:51] i just look a little further than stickers on the box [16:52] i appologize if im on a vendetta [16:52] im actually on a whole other vendetta [16:52] im just waiting on my time to talk about it ;) [16:52] ok, so the race-example doesn't really work anymore. A more realistic example would be the US' "don't ask, don't tell" philosophy. [16:55] well.. Perhaps I'm exaggerating somewhat. But I hate it when I have to feel bad about buying stuff I really want. And I would be actively paying for the Windows and OSX stickers. That just rubs me the wrong way. [17:00] bbl [17:00] no more power in my battery. :) [19:25] hello, I would like to know how to connect a plugin to a specific output of jack-rack [19:37] hey esox [19:37] you can try asking in #opensourcemusicians [19:38] but i remember when i was messing with jack-rack [19:38] you just load up whatever plugin [19:38] and do the routing as usual in 'connections' over in JACK :) [19:46] holstein: thanx. But why can one increase the number of output ? [19:46] esox: like mono to stereo? [19:46] i thought that was in the setup [19:46] but i really havent used it enough to say [19:47] i usually do sparse plugins in ardour [19:47] OR rakarrack live [19:48] esox: what are you trying to accomplish? [19:50] holstein: I want to charge lets say 3 plugins (reverb, chorus and delay) and I want to be able to conect lets say the rythmbox to the delay, tracks of ardour to reverb+chorus, and then conect the signal out of the delay to input of ardour [19:50] as an exemple [19:50] yeah, you should just be able to add them [19:51] in jack-rack [19:51] whatever ones you want [19:51] and do the routing over in 'connections' [19:51] IF you cant find a stereo plugin you want [19:51] you can use 2 instances of a plugin [19:51] and route the right and left channels seperately [19:52] esox: gotta run though... BBL [19:53] holstein: BBL ? === frederickjh_away is now known as frederickjh [22:48] I have a problem with Wine on a fresh install of ubuntustudio 10.10. I have a program that takes a very long time to start. Before I used normal Ubuntu 10.04 and it worked fine. I have installed ubuntu 10.10 and ubuntustudio 10.10 i two idential virtualbox machines. I see the same problem: normal ubuntu find, ubuntustudio not fine. Any idea what the problem could be? [22:50] The kernel of both ubuntus seems to be the same, 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP ... x86_64