[02:04] <kenvandine> jbicha, not really mine... i didn't name it :)
[02:04] <jbicha> oh ok :-)
[06:33] <aryan> Hello... Anyone here???
[06:50] <jbicha> hi
[06:51] <aryan> hey..
[06:53] <aryan> Are you a noob or regular Open Source contributor ?
[06:54] <jbicha> haha
[06:55] <jbicha> um I do a little here and there, would like to do more but I don't know a lot about programming
[06:55] <aryan> sorry i'm new to this ...
[06:56] <jbicha> I think I know the basics of what's going on though
[06:56] <jbicha> did you have questions?
[06:56] <aryan> well my situation is bit different.. i do a little bit programming in c c++.. nothing in linux though..
[06:57] <aryan> but i want to contribute to FOSS.. since i've been using ubuntu since karmic...
[06:57] <jbicha> I think a lot of Linux developers started on other platforms
[06:57] <aryan> i read abt bite size bugs... but had some doubts...
[06:59] <jbicha> there's more people around weekdays US/Europe time
[06:59] <jbicha> have you ever used bzr or git before?
[06:59] <aryan> i read some stuff abt basic svn n stuff @ openhatch.org ... and mayb ill be able to work with bzr...
[07:00] <jbicha> ok, try this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source
[07:00] <aryan> I have a lot of free time for a few weeks now... so i thought i'd help someway..
[07:00] <jbicha> and I can help walk through those steps if you get stuck since I just got started with this yesterday
[07:00] <jbicha> lol
[07:01] <aryan> hehe...
[07:01] <jbicha> but I've played with bzr and launchpad some before that
[07:02] <aryan> well.. do i have to do it on natty while running natty or can i use VM??  [i've never used VM b4, but i dont want to create new partition for natty in my laptop]
[07:02] <jbicha> I'm not sure but I don't think Unity runs in VMs :-(
[07:03] <jbicha> so you wouldn't be able to test your work which isn't good
[07:03] <aryan> oh... okay.... then ill make space......
[07:03] <aryan> so let me get the process straight... correct me if im wrong....
[07:03] <jbicha> I live dangerously and continually run the development release but if you depend on your computer to work...
[07:04] <aryan> 1. install natty
[07:04] <jbicha> source code for certain packages takes up lots of space
[07:04] <aryan> 2. update everything..
[07:04] <aryan> get source codes and development packages for unity
[07:06] <aryan> compile and run it....
[07:07] <aryan> then find a bite size bug from launchpad and get it assigned to myself???
[07:07] <jbicha> yeah basically
[07:08] <aryan> use bzr to update the versions of files...
[07:08] <aryan> change the code and commit the changes???
[07:08] <jbicha> well you won't have commit privileges, you can push the branch to launchpad and then propose it for merging
[07:09] <aryan> okay... thanks buddy.. i really wanna help... but im really a bit worried abt finding really hard code in those files... hav not worked with gtk/ graphics stuff except some opengl...
[07:11] <jbicha> I think you'll do fine, most of the code I don't understand but that's the point of bitesize...there are things I can figure out well enough to help out
[07:11] <aryan> oh.. i was talking abt a local commit.. as i found in launchpad page
[07:13] <jbicha> Now Start Coding on http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/ gives the basic bzr commands you'll be using
[07:13] <aryan> okay... i gotta start somehere.... or ill never do anything... thanks for the help buddy.... im from india and its noon here... ill comeback later in the day or on monday.... thanks a lot budddy.
[07:13] <jbicha> where in India?
[07:15] <aryan> cochin
[07:15] <aryan> what abt u??
[07:16] <jbicha> I'd like to visit Kerala some day, I used to live in Bahrain and almost every Indian there was from there
[07:16] <jbicha> God's Own Country
[07:16] <jbicha> I live near DC, USA now
[07:17] <aryan> haha.. yeah.. its a nice place.... would have been better if we had the population density of some european country.. :-(
[07:19] <aryan> so you are american??? do visit kerala ... u have lots to see... and a very different culture ....
[07:20] <jbicha> yes, American
[07:22] <aryan> okay.... i would be leaving to oman in couple of weeks as im changing jobs.... lots of malayali[keralite] expats in the gulf....
[07:22] <aryan> anyway thanks again man... see u around later...
[07:24] <jbicha> yup
[07:28] <elricl> Any idea if  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728598 is fixed? or if anyone is working on it?
[07:32] <jbicha> elricl: it works for me
[07:34] <jbicha> oh, never mind I didn't read the bug close enough
[07:38] <elricl> Hello again,sorry got disconnected.
[07:39] <elricl> What do your meant it works for your?
[07:44] <jbicha> sorry, I didn't read the bug close enough
[07:45] <jbicha> it was being worked on here though: https://code.launchpad.net/~artfwo/unity/fix-for-728598/+merge/52523
[07:46] <elricl> ah,too bad.I was hoping to start my bug fixing with that particular one.
[08:04] <elricl> kamstrup:ping.
[08:16] <elricl> Any idea if Dynamic Quicklists are implemented?
[08:20] <elricl> Anyone?
[12:03] <jfi> kenvandine, Hello, should I "resubmit proposal" or you can do the review in the previous merge proposal? At least the new commit appears in the same page
[12:29] <coz_> hey all
[14:24] <marnux> i'm having a hard time navigating through the code to find what i need, is there any documentation available about the classes,... and what they do or are supposed to do? i can't seem to find any.
[15:06] <Daekdroom> Aww. Borderless theme by default was reverted :(
[15:06] <Daekdroom> Well, what bothered me about them is that the whole window appeared larger than the window manager.
[15:07] <Omega> It was? :<
[15:07] <Daekdroom> Omega, yep, I got the rss feed from nattychanges right now
[15:21] <mamoo> Is unity safe for general serfing right now? I'm new in linux OS
[15:24] <aryaputhran> hello mamoo... im no expert, but ass far i know, if u are really new to linux, you should always install stable version of OS/Software . Unity [the version where all the current development is being done]is being readied for next version of ubuntu called ubuntu 11.04 natty narwhal  and is still in testing stage with alpha 3 stage.. So u should now install ubuntu 10.10 which is very stable now
[15:26] <aryaputhran> and install 11.04 after couple of months of its stable release.... if u feel adventurous and like tweaking and finding out bugs and doing a little bit of command line stuff to rectify it, then mayb u can try natty...
[15:26] <aryaputhran> try natty now i mean
[15:30] <mamoo> Yeah better with the stable version waiting the new inerface to come later. Do you use protection software with natty? -  Thanks for reply
[15:40] <aryaputhran> i currently use maverick 10.10 ...  im planning to help with Open source i can and hope to download and install natty in a few days... The architecture of linux OS was designed to be multi user [ many users can use the same system] and hence they were designed to be very difficult to hack/infect . Fewer people use linux hence fewer criminals decide to write viruses for linux.  Normally security bugs in linux are solved very fast, as a lot of peopl
[15:40] <aryaputhran> e work on it, far more than a company can probably put to work on a problem. But the final answer is that its the user that has to be intelligent. prevention is better than cure... dont use pirated software, update the OS and software as soon as updates are available. Dont run applications u dont trust. if in doubt, search online and make sure the application can be trusted....
[15:43] <aryaputhran> for ur information, i've installed an application called clamTK in linux which i run on usb storage devices everytime and hard disk once in a month. it usually finds a lot of windows viruses... I try to prevent infestation.. so far i have no problems...
[16:12] <coz_> hey guys
[16:40] <Omega> aryaputhran: Normally windows viruses don't work on Ubuntu, there's not much to worry about really.
[16:44] <aryaputhran> oh... i know that.. what i meant was that when i plug in a friends pen drive, some times i find windows viruses.... i know they dont affect my ubuntu and clam TK finds them and i can delete them.....  i had friends thanking me for deleting viruses .. :D i guess ubuntu on a memory stick can be used to delete viruses in a windows  system...
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[19:02] <Daekdroom> Unity panel themeability is not entirely the same as gnome panel's, given I have a bright panel when I should have a dark one.
[19:02] <Daekdroom> From where does the panel pick up its colors? Just like a window?
[19:04] <coz_> hey guys
[19:16] <LLStarks> wow...
[19:16] <LLStarks> didrocks is awesome.
[19:16] <LLStarks> bug 714707
[20:43] <coz_> hey guys
[20:45] <Omega> hey
[20:53] <jporsini> kenvandine, ping?
[22:44] <yuzodo> why does Mark Shuttleworth get the call to make the themes 1px again?
[22:48] <calcfreak89> 0 pixel borders are so amazing
[22:50] <Daekdroom> yuzodo, metacity issues, and he says it looks bland
[22:50] <yuzodo> i thought unity will be compiz?
[22:51] <yuzodo> a lot of the omg ubuntu readers preferred 0px
[22:51] <Daekdroom> Metacity will still be available for those who can't or won't use compiz
[22:51] <yuzodo> yo mpt
[22:51] <yuzodo> what up with changing back to 0px?
[22:51] <mpt> hello
[22:51] <yuzodo> hi
[22:54] <yuzodo> so the fact that a lot of people prefer 0px it's back to 1px?
[22:54] <yuzodo> *besides
[22:57] <calcfreak89> why is the border back to 1px?
[22:57] <calcfreak89> so many more people like 0px
[22:58] <calcfreak89> just do what the community wants, which is 0px borders
[22:59] <yuzodo> i thought it was all about freeing up screen estate
[22:59] <yuzodo> the 0px will really make a difference
[23:00] <jbicha> maybe it will go back to 0px for unity but remain at 1px for unity-2d & classic
[23:00] <calcfreak89> then it would be inconsisten
[23:00] <calcfreak89> inconsistent*
[23:00] <yuzodo> yeah
[23:01] <jbicha> I agree that without shadows 0px is more annoying than useful so it has to be different
[23:02] <yuzodo> the patched ambiance theme (with no shadows and 0px) is very popular lol
[23:02] <calcfreak89> yeah it's very popular
[23:02] <calcfreak89> I know like 4 people that use it
[23:02] <calcfreak89> and I don't have many friends
[23:02] <yuzodo> lol!
[23:03] <yuzodo> k so anyways
[23:03] <yuzodo> jbicha, you're saying that despite sabdfl wants it to be 1px it might change back to 0px?
[23:05] <jbicha> he proposed the 0px thing so maybe he'll change his mind if he sees a prototype that satisfies his concerns
[23:05] <yuzodo> he proposed it?
[23:05] <yuzodo> and now he's saying it looks bland
[23:07] <calcfreak89> wow but 0px is so much better
[23:07] <calcfreak89> I thought Linux was built by the community
[23:07] <yuzodo> in some regards yeah calcfreak89
[23:12] <Omega> unity-panel-service was using 2 GiB of my memory.
[23:12] <Omega> It made everything unbearably slow.
[23:13] <Daekdroom> Omega, that memory leak has been partially fixed
[23:13] <Daekdroom> That reminds me I have to ask. Is anyone else losing minimized application menus?
[23:13] <jbicha> I take back my claim that he proposed it
[23:13] <yuzodo> ok jbicha
[23:17] <MeanEYE> evening
[23:42] <Omega> There should be a memory monitor that just monitors unity's memory and kills it if it goes over X.
[23:43] <Daekdroom> That is the most lazy workaround hack ever, Omega.
[23:46] <Omega> Daekdroom: Oh, no, I didn't mean that as a fix.
[23:46] <Omega> I was mostly kidding, really.
[23:46] <Daekdroom> I have a problem with taking people too serious.
[23:57] <MeanEYE> ^^ indicator applet could use a hack like that
[23:57] <MeanEYE> atm, it's eating 152MB of RAM
[23:59] <Daekdroom> MeanEYE, one of unity's leaks is unity-panel-service and has the same cause as indicator-appmenu