[06:23] <elky> AlanBell, in regards to the edits you made to that page, I was going to have a separate area for the "how it works" stuff (didn't get aorund to doing it).
[06:23] <elky> What we have now is going to completely not reach out to the people I intended the first version for, which is the people who are going to look at what you've written and get confused and flail and continue to not engage
[06:24] <pleia2> elky: oh, sorry
[06:24] <pleia2> I didn't realize what your vision for the page was :\
[06:25] <elky> pleia2, it was for this purpose absolutely, but it was incomplete
[06:25] <elky> we need both kinds of instructions, absolutely
[06:26] <pleia2> we can just copy the edits to the new page, I was just trying to get things moving so we could switch to default soon
[06:26] <elky> but every time I've put out a "please help with the wiki" there've been mails like "how do wikis work?!?"
[06:26] <elky> pleia2, yes I know, appreciated
[06:27] <pleia2> so we'll have one page for people who just want to view the new theme and give feedback, and one for people actually doing the actual header/footer/etc migration?
[06:27] <elky> or both on the same page, the latter people will scroll, the former people wont
[06:28]  * pleia2 nods
[06:29] <elky> I'm absolutely positive we have talented programmers on the list who would be really useful if they could get up to speed with the collaborative tools that unis don't teach
[06:29] <elky> and to be honest, wikis intimidate me a bit because I try to think past them
[07:47] <AlanBell> oh OK
[07:50] <AlanBell> do you want me to write something to answer the "how do wikis work?!?" question?
[08:01] <elky> It'd be handy. In a non-syntax way.
[08:44] <AlanBell> not sure how to avoid talking about syntax
[08:44] <AlanBell> anyhow, I will have a think about that later
[09:47] <elky> AlanBell, er, have *two* sections? Not everyone needs to be able to do every part of it. It'd be wonderful to have some people just looking at it going "this looks wrong"
[09:47] <elky> and I'd like to have some instructions for them that won't scare them off by listing off "include this, use this special code"
[10:09] <AlanBell> yes, I was thinking of a whole other page on how wikis work
[10:10] <AlanBell> just needs to be introductory level but not patronising
[12:49] <elky> Pendulum, he's creeping out the dude ops who noted him join there after being banned from offtopic days ago.
[12:49] <Pendulum> wow
[12:50] <Tm_T> even without those bans, he's creeping
[12:51] <Tm_T> oh well, I'll continue my cleaning duties ->
[13:16] <AlanBell> the help pages in the wiki are actually rather good
[13:18] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HelpForUsers and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WikiCourse
[14:00] <Tm_T> Crossposting, but, this discussion is raised again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Female_editors_on_wikipedia_low
[17:29] <pleia2> AlanBell: thanks for posting the logs and updating the topic
[17:30] <pleia2> I'm going to be out of town for the next meeting (an actual vacation in puerto rico!) so we'll need to find someone else to chair
[17:39] <Pendulum> pleia2: I didn't know you were allowed proper holidays :P
[17:40] <pleia2> hehe
[17:41] <pleia2> as with everything I'm going because my boyfriend is attending a conference there sun-wednesday (free hotel in the carribean? I'm coming!!!)
[22:28] <valorie> this page: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WikiCourse/14%20Text%20styles has "strongly" misspelled as "stronly" - twice
[22:29] <valorie> I'd fix it, but it is immutable
[22:30] <AlanBell> that would be a bug in moin
[22:30] <AlanBell> those are all standard help pages
[22:30] <valorie> hmmm
[22:31] <AlanBell> http://moinmo.in/WikiCourse/14%20Text%20styles
[22:31] <AlanBell> fixed upstream though
[22:31] <AlanBell> and of course broken on w.u.c https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiCourse/14%20Text%20styles
[22:32] <AlanBell> if they upgrade wiki.ubuntu.com it would be interesting to see if that gets fixed
[22:34] <valorie> heh, I see a "fistname" too
[22:35] <valorie> hopefully fixed in the next version
[23:02] <AlanBell> what do you think of the help pages valorie?
[23:03] <valorie> very good, nice and clear
[23:03] <valorie> I need to look at the other
[23:04] <valorie> of course I '
[23:04] <valorie> ve been using MediaWiki
[23:04] <valorie> so it's a bit different
[23:04] <valorie> but good to learn them all
[23:05] <pleia2> we were using tikiwiki at work for a while, I convinced my boss to switch to moin because switching between the two was making my brain hurt
[23:05] <valorie> I think the Amarok wiki is still a third one
[23:05] <valorie> and yes, it does make my brain work
[23:06] <valorie> and hurt