DarkwingDuckshadeslayer: Bug 72890200:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728902 in rekonq "My system crashes on logout. The rekonq browser and Adobe Flash crash when I listen to music online." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72890200:48
DarkwingDuckAlthough, I need to alter that report...01:02
DarkwingDuckrekonq uses KDE bug tracking right?01:02
apacheloggerkubotu: np01:03
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Finnegan's Wake" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0sHAPS4ei1NAGySIK9iPlY] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more01:04
DarkwingDuckOne less bug to worry about now.01:05
apacheloggerbugs are for people who have too much spare time (like the people working on rekonq apparently) :P01:07
apacheloggerthe empire of phonon maintains a no-bugs policy :P01:08
DarkwingDuckHye, bugs serve a purpose.01:09
DarkwingDuckSpeaking of... I need to go through the Bug people and get info... Looks like I'll be leading an army (My loco) into a global bug jam01:09
* apachelogger likes a good war against bugs01:10
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: you could also found the kubuntu starship troopers while you are at it :P01:11
DarkwingDuckKubuntu Starship Troopers? :D01:11
DarkwingDuckThat would be AWESOME!01:11
apacheloggerwanted to make them years ago01:11
apacheloggernever got round to actually do it01:11
apacheloggerit is like ninjas, just for bugs01:11
DarkwingDuckA dedicated Kubuntu Bug Hunting Team01:12
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: that actually might not be a bad idea01:25
DarkwingDuckjjesse: are you working on more topics then what is on the wiki?01:28
jjesseDarkwingDuck ummm01:36
jjessei don't even remember what the wiki says01:37
jjessetoo be honest i have looked at docs in awhile01:38
jjessewhen are they due?01:38
DarkwingDuckApril 7th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule01:40
jjesseplenty of time :)01:40
DarkwingDuckAye... But, that is less then one month away.01:41
DarkwingDuckand I have not had anyone send me anything other then GreyGeek01:41
DarkwingDuckSo, it's us for the final push01:41
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: of course it isn't a bad idea, it is mine :P01:41
jjesseyeah but i need to get an updated version of the book by the end of the week01:41
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I think i'll look into it on the +101:41
DarkwingDuckjjesse: Oh yeah, you wrote for the "Official book" dont you?01:42
jjessewhatever chapter the kubuntu section is01:42
DarkwingDuckHow does one get into that? :P:P01:42
jjessethough i keep asking for a full book01:42
DarkwingDuckWe kinda need one.01:42
jjessecuase one chapter is a pain, would be nice to have a full kubuntu/kde book :)01:42
DarkwingDuckWhy don't we write one?01:43
jjesseneed a publisher01:43
DarkwingDuckO'Riley might...01:44
* DarkwingDuck shrugs01:44
DarkwingDuckI'm about halfway done with my book.01:44
DarkwingDuckI'm going to work on it once this cycle ends01:44
jjessewhat book is that?01:45
jjessemaco had the idea before me to write the kde book01:45
jjessein fact she has a table of contents floating around someplace01:45
DarkwingDuckIt's a book on Documentation. Theory and How To01:45
jjessesounds boring :)01:46
DarkwingDuckI'll make it not boring.01:46
DarkwingDuckI figured out after my third talk on documentation how to make it not as boring.01:46
DarkwingDuckDoes anyone know if calligra can save as doc/docx yet?01:47
jjessei doubt it, don't know/never tried01:48
DarkwingDuckIt says it can open them... but, nothing on saving... I'll just stick with Libre-Office for now.01:49
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: Right now, the POC for KDE/Kubuntu bugs is Yuriy01:52
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I don't want to step on the toes of the Bug Squad but, if we treated it like the Ninjas did instead of the MOTU... I don't know why it wouldn't work.01:53
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: when ever you get back... ping01:58
DarkwingDuckWhat is the Kubuntu Ninjas relationship with MOTU?02:12
yofelDarkwingDuck: ninjas is there to manage upload rights to the kubuntu PPAs, not much to do with MOTU02:15
DarkwingDuckyofel: Okay, I've taken apachelogger's idea about Kubuntu bugs and was talking to one of the people on the Bug Squad on that process so we don't duplicate any efforts02:16
DarkwingDuckAnd I wanted to see what the Ninja/MOTU relationship was02:16
yofelwith who? and where?02:16
yofeland which busquad?02:17
DarkwingDuckddecator in Beginners Team at the moment. 02:17
DarkwingDuckIt was more on the process of the Bug Squad02:17
DarkwingDuckThey take bugs then triage as I understand02:17
yofelah, was confused as I didn't noticy anything in #ubuntu-bugs02:17
* yofel reads beginners backlog02:18
DarkwingDuckyofel: You are a BT member?02:18
yofelno, bug control02:18
DarkwingDuckGot ya02:18
yofelI just hang out in their channels02:18
DarkwingDuckI'm running for their council :)02:18
DarkwingDuckIf we take the Kubuntu related bugs afte the triage process then we can follow the progress ect.02:19
DarkwingDuckThis way we dont' have outdated bugs in the system... that would be a good project for a small handfull of people.02:19
DarkwingDuckWe can let the Bug Squad have their triage fun and we keep positive control after that process. 02:20
yofelyeah, just note that our process is a bit different, while we do triage the bugs, if it's an upstream bug we don't track it on launchpad at all, the bug is closed with a notice it should go to bugs.kde.org02:20
DarkwingDuckMaybe that can be something that we can do.02:21
DarkwingDuckVerify the bug then file it with bugs.kde02:21
yofeltalk to JohntheEchidna, he's been doing a lot of that02:21
DarkwingDuckSee, this is where a small community helps... This way we can track who does what and how to help02:22
DarkwingDuckand I just LOVE apachelogger name for it... Kubuntu Starship Troopers02:22
yofelDarkwingDuck: also, feel free to take #kubuntu-bugs, I don't know who the admin is, but it's pretty unused currently :S02:22
DarkwingDuckI think I'm actually gonna run with this one.02:23
yofelthe current bugs team (that manages the package list that the team is subscribed to) is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs 02:24
DarkwingDuckJontheEchidna: ping02:27
yofelwhich reminds me...02:29
yofelRiddell: would it make sense if you could subscribe kubuntu-bugs to the PPA bugs? Currently a few of us keep track of those bug it would be nice to have those on the bugs mailinglist02:30
jjesse10.04 was a long term release wasn't it02:30
DarkwingDuckummmm yes02:31
JontheEchidnaDarkwingDuck: pong02:31
DarkwingDuckJontheEchidna: You been doing work on entering upstream bugs to bugs.kde?02:32
JontheEchidnaI've not worked with bugs in a while now02:32
JontheEchidnaI did do some back when I triaged02:32
DarkwingDuckJontheEchidna: I'm taking an idea from apachelogger and running with it.02:33
DarkwingDuckJontheEchidna: and it will give me something else to do the other 48 weeks of the year when I'm not updating docs :D02:34
jjesseis there a theme to this release?02:34
DarkwingDuckTo Natty?02:34
jjesseyeah to natty02:34
DarkwingDuckSpear the compitition? :P:P02:35
jjesselike 11.04 is super awesome and will make you poop your pants02:35
DarkwingDuckDo we know who is running Kubuntu Bug Squad these days?02:38
yofelthe admin is Riddell, the last time anyone talked about triaging guideslines was around project timelord I think though02:41
jjesseso no realy theme?02:41
yofeland I don't think our wiki pages are up to date there either02:41
yofelneither the triaging ones, nor the filing ones02:42
yofelI haven't looked at them in a while though02:42
DarkwingDuckNope... Wiki pages are horrible actually... that another project in my todo after the doc freeze02:42
DarkwingDuckjjesse: I have not heard of any02:43
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I'll catch you tomorrow I guess... I have a plan in mind for th Starship troopers03:04
c2tarungood morning :)03:27
c2taruncan anyone please tell me how to use aliases in Quassel?03:51
shadeslayerupgrade to natty left me with no X05:07
shadeslayerand now i need to find a pendrive so i can finish putting meego on my phone05:08
nixternalkeep your eye out for someone selling a zareason laptop05:52
nixternalyeah, like they would be selling it outside of chicago :)05:52
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ScottKapachelogger: It looks like I'm full of fail on building Qt with gcc4.5.  Would you please have a look at it.13:31
apacheloggerScottK: where do I look14:13
nigelbRiddell: Could you ask me Monday if I did post your postcards (in case I forgot)15:02
ScottKapachelogger: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66228334/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.qt4-x11_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz15:24
apacheloggerScottK: where do you see fail?15:37
ScottKIt still pulled in gcc4.4 and appeared to be using it.  Maybe I just read the log wrong?15:37
* apachelogger is more concerned with the fact that apparently the symbols files are up to date15:39
debfxthe lzma sequence pulls in gcc 4.415:40
apacheloggermy system is utterly broken15:40
apacheloggercan't search in that log15:40
ScottKdebfx: Can you look at what we need to do?15:47
* ScottK is stuck on some other stuff today.15:47
debfxScottK: revert the last pkg-kde-tools upload15:47
ScottKThat affects Qt?15:47
debfxyes, qt uses the lzma and symbolshelper sequences15:48
ScottKSure enough.15:48
ScottKOK.  I've got time to do that.15:48
ScottKUploaded.  I'll upload Qt again after that's done.15:53
ScottKdebfx: Thanks.15:53
nixternalDarkwingDuck: sorry dude, doc updates are in the hands of a theif :D  someone stole my laptop, so my build fixes are gone for the time being and quite a few updates. that's what i get for not committing :/15:55
debfxScottK: please include my changes in the qt branch15:57
nigelbarg, how do I maximize a window when I'm using Kubuntu?15:57
effie_jayxnixternal: sent you a laptop suggestion via twitter ;)16:00
ScottKdebfx: Will do.16:01
effie_jayxnigelb: just click on minimized app on the task management bar?16:01
nigelbeffie_jayx: with the keyboard :)16:01
nigelbalt + space + X isn't working and I'm thinking what else16:01
nixternaleffie_jayx: these things have gotten expensive since the last one i purchased. looks like i might have to live with 1366x768 on a new one. liked the much higher resolution though for coding16:03
effie_jayxnixternal: ahhh :S16:04
apacheloggernixternal: you'll need to set a shortcut in the global shortcuts thingy of systemsettings16:04
apacheloggernigelb: ^16:04
* apachelogger is starving and leaves to find food16:04
nigelbapachelogger: thanks :)16:04
effie_jayxnixternal:  e should open up a pot for ptchin in for you new pc16:04
effie_jayxI use lots of stuff you make man16:04
DarkwingDucknixternal: I say that..16:05
DarkwingDucknixternal: I texted you a deal on a lappy16:05
effie_jayxapachelogger: buen provecho16:05
ScottKdebfx: I'll need to unapply that patch before I apply your bzr diff, right?16:05
nigelbapachelogger: wheee!16:07
nigelbapachelogger: I think its time I started looking out for Kubuntu junior jobs :)16:07
nixternalDarkwingDuck: yeah, 1366x768 :p16:07
nixternaleffie_jayx: i always have my pot open via my website with a huge 'contribute/donate' button :)16:08
nixternali don't like to call out for people to do that though, i feel bad, especially with the stuff in japan going on. i would rather have people donate money to that instead of me16:08
effie_jayxnixternal: shall make my donation :)16:08
DarkwingDucknixternal: Don't worry about the docs bro... I'm sorry man16:08
nixternali had finally gotten cmake to work with the building. that was a pain in the ass too16:09
nixternalreason i didn't commit is because i didn't want to commit broken stuff at the time16:09
nixternaland the doc updates were fairly simple iirc16:09
ScottKFYI, you could push a separate branch in such cases ...16:11
nixternalshush, to late for that :p16:14
nixternaland i do have my own doc branch too16:14
nixternalthe one thing i will miss about that laptop is how well it compiled kde16:14
debfxScottK: shouldn't be necessary when you use bzr-buidpackage16:17
ScottKI don't.16:17
debfxin that case you need to run quilt pop -a16:18
ScottKDoing it now.  It takes a while on my 5400 rpm hard drive....16:19
JontheEchidnaNeat @ GCC 4.6: "G++ now issues clearer diagnostics for missing semicolons after class, struct, and union definitions."16:21
* debfx is tempted to set "abort-on-upstream-changes" to prevent such accidental patches16:22
Riddellbrr, cold here16:52
ScottKdpkg-source: info: building qt4-x11 using existing ./qt4-x11_4.7.2.orig.tar.gz can take a VERY long time.16:53
yofelwb Riddell :)16:56
Riddelldid you miss me? :)16:57
nixternalwhere you at Riddell?17:02
yofeloc, how warm was it in india?17:02
Riddellnixternal: back home in Embra, was in Bangalore a toasty 25 degrees vs 2 here17:03
nixternalahh, it seems to be finally warming up here. excited, back to outdoor riding17:04
c2tarunRiddell: hi, you looked at the branch of koffice-2.3.3 I posted?17:12
JontheEchidnaIt's around 4 here. The snow is finally melting17:12
c2tarunRiddell: 25 is what we consider pleasant here ;) you must visit when its 40 :D17:13
c2tarunRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~c2tarun/koffice/2.3.3-0ubuntu117:14
ScottKdebfx: Uploaded.  Thanks again for the help.17:19
Riddellc2tarun: no, if you e-mail me I'll look at it tomorrow17:25
shadeslayerRiddell: hey! you reached? :D17:36
Riddellshadeslayer: reached?17:36
shadeslayerhome 17:39
c2tarunRiddell: sure I'll do that. please give me your email address or you LP page link17:42
c2tarunRiddell: I got your LP page link I'll mail you the link17:43
Riddellthanks c2tarun, sorry too jet lagged just now17:52
c2tarunNP :)18:03
debfxJontheEchidna: have you had a look at bug #630879 / post on the ML?18:19
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/630879)18:19
Riddellhi bambee 18:53
apacheloggeryoubuntoo natty reminds me of the 90's19:15
apacheloggermost awesome resolution ever19:15
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unityloggerI wonder why quasse-client-qt4 does not integrate the menubar into unity20:04
unityloggerbambee: ahoy20:04
Daskreechafiestas: ping20:17
afiestasDaskreech: pong20:27
Daskreechafiestas: Did you work on powerdevil?20:27
afiestasDaskreech: nope, but I know a couple of things about it20:29
afiestasand I help a little bit on the upower backend20:29
Daskreechafiestas: ah right. ok Can you set it so that on wake from hibernate/suspend KDE does not ask for  password?20:29
afiestasyes you can20:30
afiestasexecute krunner20:30
afiestassearch for "powerdevil"20:30
afiestasand execute "Global settings"20:30
afiestasthen the first checkbox says: Lock screen on resume20:30
afiestasuncheck it20:30
DaskreechLock screen20:30
Daskreechok :)20:30
DaskreechYay KDE! :)20:30
Daskreechthanks :)20:31
Daskreechafiestas: Wow. Searching for powerdevil now puts Global at the top. Krunner remembered!20:33
afiestasreally? omg :p20:33
Daskreechafiestas: it's really interesting how people operate. 20:33
afiestasomg yes20:33
afiestaskrunner rocks :p20:33
unityloggerconsidering the amount of useless results krunner finds most of the time that was sort of necessary :D20:35
afiestasunitylogger: like what?20:36
unityloggerafiestas: install the runner addons you will see :P20:36
unityloggerfortunately enough the contacts runner is broken right now20:36
Daskreechunitylogger: Oh lord yes remember that?20:39
DaskreechGranted it's still the one I miss the most :(20:39
bambeeunitylogger: unity seriously ? :P20:40
DaskreechI like just being able to type someone's name and have the option to chat with them if they are on line or send an e-mail if they are not20:40
Daskreechunitylogger: Thats unity?20:53
Blizzzunitylogger: new haircut?21:04
claydohno, thatsa tru image of unitylogger after a few drinks21:05
unityloggeryah, it happens21:05
claydohunity isn't completely aweful, after my 60 seconds' usage21:06
unityloggerbuggy as hell it is21:06
yofeloh, it works now? Last time I wanted to try it I got no panels21:07
* claydoh wonders how loud/how long the anti-unity/anti-gnome-shell foilks will be vocal, as comared to the kde3 die-hards21:08
Daskreechclaydoh: Until someone comes up with a way to keep Gnome 2 alive21:09
claydohyofel: yeah, one day it didn't work at all, next day's image worked21:09
unityloggerI see it already21:09
unityloggerit could be called dual or something21:10
unityloggergoes perfectly fine with trinity21:10
unityloggerclaydoh: it is more fun though ... you got those that like gnome2, then you got those that hate unity, those that hate gnome shell, those that hate unity but accept gnome shell but prefer gnome2 and those that hate gnome sull but accept unity but prefer gnome221:11
unityloggerit is the awesome21:11
claydohunitylogger: i actually understood all that21:11
claydohmakes sense really21:13
DaskreechWith the exception that if you took the time KDE 4 can be a drop in replacement for KDE 321:13
Daskreechonce most people got that they were fine21:13
Daskreech then you had the idiots who didn't want to take the time21:14
unityloggerclaydoh: are you suggesting that I am not drunk enough :O21:14
Daskreechone guy took 3 months to figure out that he could have a folder tree in Dolphin21:14
* unitylogger opens another bottle of wine21:14
claydohunitylogger: sre21:14
yofelwell, there are those too that were scared off by 4.0 and didn't want to try again21:14
yofelwe'll see how buggy gnome-shell will get21:14
Daskreecheven though in his blog (of three months ago) people pointed it out to him.21:15
Daskreechyofel: it will have bugs. That's all that is needed21:15
yofelyeah, fun times ahead21:15
DaskreechBugs in software you are using are annoying. Bugs in Software you are not are huuuuuuuuge show stoppers21:15
DaskreechDoesn't matter if they are the same bug21:15
claydohtho you probably won't hear about missing features, as gnome doesnt really have any, sort of21:16
yofelyou do hear people complaining about missing configurability options in unity though already21:17
Daskreechand you will have at least one oppurtunistic jackass and one stubborn loudmouth who will keep shouting till it's a massive issue that you have the bug rather than any efforts to fix it21:17
Daskreechclaydoh: Gnome. The one big red button marked this is what you wanted to do21:17
Daskreechwith any case they won't bleed people as visibly as KDE did21:19
DaskreechThough in actual numbers they might lose more users21:19
DaskreechMy biggest worry for Gnome is they have a very big culture of very slow innovations and changes. So if they do realise something needs to be done it will take a long time for that to come across 21:20
Daskreechunitylogger: Wasn't Gnome3 supposed to ship Two years ago? or was it last year the grand debut was to happen?21:21
unityloggeryes, we got a bit held up21:21
Daskreechunitylogger: That's not really an answer to the question :)21:22
unityloggersure it is :P21:23
DaskreechTwo years or one year?21:23
unityloggerDaskreech: perhaps21:34
unityloggerDaskreech: FWIW, IIRC it is actually both21:36
unityloggerthe original early target was two years ago21:36
DaskreechAnyway two issues Gnome has to face is that you in no form or fashion can make Gnome3 into Gnome2 and they are very slow to change21:36
unityloggerand then they tried again last yera21:36
Daskreechthat's what I remembered21:36
unitylogger(thats the reason there was no free desktop conference thing last year)21:37
unityloggeras gnome wanted to have guadec as promo stuffz or something21:37
DaskreechGNOME does have a boon in that Unity exists as well as Xfce21:37
DaskreechKDE doesn't really have that kind of fallback21:37
claydohkde doesn't really need one, though perhaps an easier way to get to the klassic desktop look n feel might prove useful21:43
Daskreechclaydoh: I meant another project who takes integration with KDE apps as a goal21:47
DaskreechPeople can still use all the GNOME apps and jump into Xfce or Unity and continue with thier lives21:48
claydohI wonder why that is :)21:49
DaskreechI've always just assumed that if you Like KDE you can make it yours21:49
claydohkde's inherent tweakability maybe21:49
claydohDaskreech: agreed21:49
DaskreechThere hasn't been a reason to make another Qt desktop until recently21:49
DaskreechI'd say there is space now for a ultra light Qt based desktop but with Nokia going crazy people will probably wait that out21:50
unityloggerDaskreech: it is called unity-2d :P21:59
unityloggeractually I think there is one or two already22:00
Daskreechnames and Git repos!22:00
unityloggerworking stuffz22:00
unityloggeron qt-apps or kde-apps or somewhere22:00
unityloggerthe fallback for KDE is GTK :P22:00
unityloggeras Qt integrates into a gtk system anyway22:00
unityloggerthat is why KDE is top of the food chain22:01
nixternalsomeone get sabdfl to hit my 'Contribute or Donate' button on my website, I need a new puter ASAP and I be broke :)22:06
DaskreechGet a hacky job and they will give you a computer :)22:06
nixternali need more consulting gigs. right now i am making enough to pay bills and put food on the table. i need to put computers on the table too now :)22:09
DaskreechPut tables on the table22:11
DaskreechCapacity building22:11
DarkwingDucknixternal: When I get my check I'll toss some $$ your way22:18
nixternal$1,000 please :p22:28
macoDarkwingDuck: i still have the table of contents jjesse and i were talking about. i also talked to someone at No Starch about it at HOPE last summer22:28
macoi'd still like to do it22:28
nixternalI am donating 10% of any donations I receive to the 'get me a laptop soon fund' to relief efforts in Japan. I only feel it is the right thing to do when they need the money and support more than I need a laptop/dev box22:33
DarkwingDuckmaco: I would love to help with it.23:25

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