[00:48] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Bug 728902
[01:01] <apachelogger> rekonq
[01:01] <apachelogger> mhhh
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> Although, I need to alter that report...
[01:02] <DarkwingDuck> rekonq uses KDE bug tracking right?
[01:03] <apachelogger> ye
[01:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[01:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Finnegan's Wake" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0sHAPS4ei1NAGySIK9iPlY] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[01:04] <apachelogger> righton
[01:05] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot
[01:05] <DarkwingDuck> One less bug to worry about now.
[01:07] <apachelogger> bugs are for people who have too much spare time (like the people working on rekonq apparently) :P
[01:08] <apachelogger> the empire of phonon maintains a no-bugs policy :P
[01:08] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[01:09] <DarkwingDuck> Hye, bugs serve a purpose.
[01:09] <DarkwingDuck> Speaking of... I need to go through the Bug people and get info... Looks like I'll be leading an army (My loco) into a global bug jam
[01:10]  * apachelogger likes a good war against bugs
[01:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you could also found the kubuntu starship troopers while you are at it :P
[01:11] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntu Starship Troopers? :D
[01:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:11] <DarkwingDuck> That would be AWESOME!
[01:11] <apachelogger> wanted to make them years ago
[01:11] <apachelogger> never got round to actually do it
[01:11] <apachelogger> it is like ninjas, just for bugs
[01:12] <DarkwingDuck> A dedicated Kubuntu Bug Hunting Team
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: that actually might not be a bad idea
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: are you working on more topics then what is on the wiki?
[01:36] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck ummm
[01:37] <jjesse> i don't even remember what the wiki says
[01:37] <jjesse> linky
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty
[01:38] <jjesse> too be honest i have looked at docs in awhile
[01:38] <jjesse> when are they due?
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> April 7th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[01:40] <jjesse> coolio
[01:40] <jjesse> plenty of time :)
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> Aye... But, that is less then one month away.
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> and I have not had anyone send me anything other then GreyGeek
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> So, it's us for the final push
[01:41] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: of course it isn't a bad idea, it is mine :P
[01:41] <jjesse> yeah but i need to get an updated version of the book by the end of the week
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I think i'll look into it on the +1
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Oh yeah, you wrote for the "Official book" dont you?
[01:42] <jjesse> yup
[01:42] <jjesse> whatever chapter the kubuntu section is
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> How does one get into that? :P:P
[01:42] <jjesse> though i keep asking for a full book
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> Aye.
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> We kinda need one.
[01:42] <jjesse> cuase one chapter is a pain, would be nice to have a full kubuntu/kde book :)
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> Why don't we write one?
[01:43] <jjesse> need a publisher
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> O'Riley might...
[01:44]  * DarkwingDuck shrugs
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm about halfway done with my book.
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to work on it once this cycle ends
[01:45] <jjesse> what book is that?
[01:45] <jjesse> maco had the idea before me to write the kde book
[01:45] <jjesse> in fact she has a table of contents floating around someplace
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> It's a book on Documentation. Theory and How To
[01:46] <jjesse> sounds boring :)
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> I'll make it not boring.
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> I figured out after my third talk on documentation how to make it not as boring.
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Does anyone know if calligra can save as doc/docx yet?
[01:48] <jjesse> i doubt it, don't know/never tried
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> It says it can open them... but, nothing on saving... I'll just stick with Libre-Office for now.
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Right now, the POC for KDE/Kubuntu bugs is Yuriy
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I don't want to step on the toes of the Bug Squad but, if we treated it like the Ninjas did instead of the MOTU... I don't know why it wouldn't work.
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: when ever you get back... ping
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> What is the Kubuntu Ninjas relationship with MOTU?
[02:15] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: ninjas is there to manage upload rights to the kubuntu PPAs, not much to do with MOTU
[02:15] <yofel> (afaik)
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: Okay, I've taken apachelogger's idea about Kubuntu bugs and was talking to one of the people on the Bug Squad on that process so we don't duplicate any efforts
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> And I wanted to see what the Ninja/MOTU relationship was
[02:16] <yofel> with who? and where?
[02:17] <yofel> and which busquad?
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> ddecator in Beginners Team at the moment. 
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> It was more on the process of the Bug Squad
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> They take bugs then triage as I understand
[02:17] <yofel> ah, was confused as I didn't noticy anything in #ubuntu-bugs
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[02:18]  * yofel reads beginners backlog
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> yofel: You are a BT member?
[02:18] <yofel> no, bug control
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> Got ya
[02:18] <yofel> I just hang out in their channels
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> I'm running for their council :)
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway...
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> If we take the Kubuntu related bugs afte the triage process then we can follow the progress ect.
[02:19] <DarkwingDuck> This way we dont' have outdated bugs in the system... that would be a good project for a small handfull of people.
[02:20] <DarkwingDuck> We can let the Bug Squad have their triage fun and we keep positive control after that process. 
[02:20] <yofel> yeah, just note that our process is a bit different, while we do triage the bugs, if it's an upstream bug we don't track it on launchpad at all, the bug is closed with a notice it should go to bugs.kde.org
[02:20] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh.
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> Maybe that can be something that we can do.
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> Verify the bug then file it with bugs.kde
[02:21] <yofel> talk to JohntheEchidna, he's been doing a lot of that
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> Roger
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> See, this is where a small community helps... This way we can track who does what and how to help
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> and I just LOVE apachelogger name for it... Kubuntu Starship Troopers
[02:22] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: also, feel free to take #kubuntu-bugs, I don't know who the admin is, but it's pretty unused currently :S
[02:23] <DarkwingDuck> Bingo
[02:23] <DarkwingDuck> I think I'm actually gonna run with this one.
[02:24] <yofel> the current bugs team (that manages the package list that the team is subscribed to) is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs 
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: ping
[02:29] <yofel> which reminds me...
[02:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yes?
[02:30] <yofel> Riddell: would it make sense if you could subscribe kubuntu-bugs to the PPA bugs? Currently a few of us keep track of those bug it would be nice to have those on the bugs mailinglist
[02:30] <jjesse> 10.04 was a long term release wasn't it
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> ummmm yes
[02:31] <yofel> yes
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: pong
[02:32] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: You been doing work on entering upstream bugs to bugs.kde?
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> I've not worked with bugs in a while now
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> I did do some back when I triaged
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: I'm taking an idea from apachelogger and running with it.
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> cool
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: and it will give me something else to do the other 48 weeks of the year when I'm not updating docs :D
[02:34] <jjesse> is there a theme to this release?
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> To Natty?
[02:34] <jjesse> yeah to natty
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> narwhals!
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> Spear the compitition? :P:P
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> (sp?)
[02:35] <jjesse> like 11.04 is super awesome and will make you poop your pants
[02:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:38] <DarkwingDuck> Do we know who is running Kubuntu Bug Squad these days?
[02:41] <yofel> the admin is Riddell, the last time anyone talked about triaging guideslines was around project timelord I think though
[02:41] <jjesse> so no realy theme?
[02:41] <yofel> and I don't think our wiki pages are up to date there either
[02:42] <yofel> neither the triaging ones, nor the filing ones
[02:42] <yofel> I haven't looked at them in a while though
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Nope... Wiki pages are horrible actually... that another project in my todo after the doc freeze
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I have not heard of any
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'll catch you tomorrow I guess... I have a plan in mind for th Starship troopers
[03:27] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Mornin
[03:51] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how to use aliases in Quassel?
[05:07] <shadeslayer> hah
[05:07] <shadeslayer> upgrade to natty left me with no X
[05:08] <shadeslayer> and now i need to find a pendrive so i can finish putting meego on my phone
[05:52] <nixternal> keep your eye out for someone selling a zareason laptop
[05:52] <nixternal> yeah, like they would be selling it outside of chicago :)
[13:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: It looks like I'm full of fail on building Qt with gcc4.5.  Would you please have a look at it.
[14:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: where do I look
[14:13] <apachelogger> ?
[15:02] <nigelb> Riddell: Could you ask me Monday if I did post your postcards (in case I forgot)
[15:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66228334/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.qt4-x11_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: where do you see fail?
[15:37] <ScottK> It still pulled in gcc4.4 and appeared to be using it.  Maybe I just read the log wrong?
[15:39]  * apachelogger is more concerned with the fact that apparently the symbols files are up to date
[15:40] <debfx> the lzma sequence pulls in gcc 4.4
[15:40] <apachelogger> my system is utterly broken
[15:40] <apachelogger> can't search in that log
[15:47] <ScottK> debfx: Can you look at what we need to do?
[15:47]  * ScottK is stuck on some other stuff today.
[15:47] <debfx> ScottK: revert the last pkg-kde-tools upload
[15:47] <ScottK> That affects Qt?
[15:48] <debfx> yes, qt uses the lzma and symbolshelper sequences
[15:48] <ScottK> Sure enough.
[15:48] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:48] <ScottK> OK.  I've got time to do that.
[15:53] <ScottK> Uploaded.  I'll upload Qt again after that's done.
[15:53] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[15:55] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: sorry dude, doc updates are in the hands of a theif :D  someone stole my laptop, so my build fixes are gone for the time being and quite a few updates. that's what i get for not committing :/
[15:57] <debfx> ScottK: please include my changes in the qt branch
[15:57] <nigelb> arg, how do I maximize a window when I'm using Kubuntu?
[16:00] <effie_jayx> nixternal: sent you a laptop suggestion via twitter ;)
[16:01] <ScottK> debfx: Will do.
[16:01] <effie_jayx> nigelb: just click on minimized app on the task management bar?
[16:01] <nigelb> effie_jayx: with the keyboard :)
[16:01] <nigelb> alt + space + X isn't working and I'm thinking what else
[16:03] <nixternal> effie_jayx: these things have gotten expensive since the last one i purchased. looks like i might have to live with 1366x768 on a new one. liked the much higher resolution though for coding
[16:04] <effie_jayx> nixternal: ahhh :S
[16:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: you'll need to set a shortcut in the global shortcuts thingy of systemsettings
[16:04] <apachelogger> eh
[16:04] <apachelogger> nigelb: ^
[16:04]  * apachelogger is starving and leaves to find food
[16:04] <nigelb> apachelogger: thanks :)
[16:04] <effie_jayx> nixternal:  e should open up a pot for ptchin in for you new pc
[16:04] <effie_jayx> I use lots of stuff you make man
[16:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I say that..
[16:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I texted you a deal on a lappy
[16:05] <effie_jayx> apachelogger: buen provecho
[16:05] <ScottK> debfx: I'll need to unapply that patch before I apply your bzr diff, right?
[16:07] <nigelb> apachelogger: wheee!
[16:07] <nigelb> apachelogger: I think its time I started looking out for Kubuntu junior jobs :)
[16:07] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yeah, 1366x768 :p
[16:08] <nixternal> effie_jayx: i always have my pot open via my website with a huge 'contribute/donate' button :)
[16:08] <nixternal> i don't like to call out for people to do that though, i feel bad, especially with the stuff in japan going on. i would rather have people donate money to that instead of me
[16:08] <effie_jayx> nixternal: shall make my donation :)
[16:08] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Don't worry about the docs bro... I'm sorry man
[16:09] <nixternal> i had finally gotten cmake to work with the building. that was a pain in the ass too
[16:09] <nixternal> reason i didn't commit is because i didn't want to commit broken stuff at the time
[16:09] <nixternal> and the doc updates were fairly simple iirc
[16:11] <ScottK> FYI, you could push a separate branch in such cases ...
[16:14] <nixternal> shush, to late for that :p
[16:14] <nixternal> and i do have my own doc branch too
[16:14] <nixternal> the one thing i will miss about that laptop is how well it compiled kde
[16:17] <debfx> ScottK: shouldn't be necessary when you use bzr-buidpackage
[16:17] <ScottK> I don't.
[16:18] <debfx> in that case you need to run quilt pop -a
[16:19] <ScottK> Doing it now.  It takes a while on my 5400 rpm hard drive....
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> Neat @ GCC 4.6: "G++ now issues clearer diagnostics for missing semicolons after class, struct, and union definitions."
[16:22]  * debfx is  tempted to set "abort-on-upstream-changes" to prevent such accidental patches
[16:52] <Riddell> brr, cold here
[16:53] <ScottK> dpkg-source: info: building qt4-x11 using existing ./qt4-x11_4.7.2.orig.tar.gz can take a VERY long time.
[16:56] <yofel> wb Riddell :)
[16:57] <Riddell> did you miss me? :)
[17:02] <nixternal> where you at Riddell?
[17:02] <yofel> oc, how warm was it in india?
[17:03] <Riddell> nixternal: back home in Embra, was in Bangalore a toasty 25 degrees vs 2 here
[17:04] <nixternal> ahh, it seems to be finally warming up here. excited, back to outdoor riding
[17:12] <c2tarun> Riddell: hi, you looked at the branch of koffice-2.3.3 I posted?
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> It's around 4 here. The snow is finally melting
[17:13] <c2tarun> Riddell: 25 is what we consider pleasant here ;) you must visit when its 40 :D
[17:14] <c2tarun> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~c2tarun/koffice/2.3.3-0ubuntu1
[17:19] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded.  Thanks again for the help.
[17:25] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, if you e-mail me I'll look at it tomorrow
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hey! you reached? :D
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: reached?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> home 
[17:42] <c2tarun> Riddell: sure I'll do that. please give me your email address or you LP page link
[17:43] <c2tarun> Riddell: I got your LP page link I'll mail you the link
[17:52] <Riddell> thanks c2tarun, sorry too jet lagged just now
[18:03] <c2tarun> NP :)
[18:19] <debfx> JontheEchidna: have you had a look at bug #630879 / post on the ML?
[18:43] <bambee> hey
[18:53] <Riddell> hi bambee 
[19:15] <apachelogger> mhhh
[19:15] <apachelogger> youbuntoo natty reminds me of the 90's
[19:15] <apachelogger> 1024x768
[19:15] <apachelogger> most awesome resolution ever
[19:55] <bambee> evening
[20:04] <unitylogger> hmmmm
[20:04] <unitylogger> I wonder why quasse-client-qt4 does not integrate the menubar into unity
[20:04] <unitylogger> bambee: ahoy
[20:17] <Daskreech> afiestas: ping
[20:27] <afiestas> Daskreech: pong
[20:27] <Daskreech> afiestas: Did you work on powerdevil?
[20:29] <afiestas> Daskreech: nope, but I know a couple of things about it
[20:29] <afiestas> and I help a little bit on the upower backend
[20:29] <Daskreech> afiestas: ah right. ok Can you set it so that on wake from hibernate/suspend KDE does not ask for  password?
[20:30] <afiestas> yes you can
[20:30] <Daskreech> where?
[20:30] <afiestas> execute krunner
[20:30] <afiestas> search for "powerdevil"
[20:30] <afiestas> and execute "Global settings"
[20:30] <afiestas> then the first checkbox says: Lock screen on resume
[20:30] <afiestas> uncheck it
[20:30] <Daskreech> Lock screen
[20:30] <Daskreech> ok :)
[20:30] <Daskreech> Yay KDE! :)
[20:31] <afiestas> :p
[20:31] <Daskreech> thanks :)
[20:33] <Daskreech> afiestas: Wow. Searching for powerdevil now puts Global at the top. Krunner remembered!
[20:33] <afiestas> really? omg :p
[20:33] <Daskreech> afiestas: it's really interesting how people operate. 
[20:33] <afiestas> omg yes
[20:33] <afiestas> krunner rocks :p
[20:35] <unitylogger> considering the amount of useless results krunner finds most of the time that was sort of necessary :D
[20:36] <afiestas> unitylogger: like what?
[20:36] <unitylogger> afiestas: install the runner addons you will see :P
[20:36] <unitylogger> fortunately enough the contacts runner is broken right now
[20:39] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Oh lord yes remember that?
[20:39] <Daskreech> Granted it's still the one I miss the most :(
[20:40] <bambee> unitylogger: unity seriously ? :P
[20:40] <Daskreech> I like just being able to type someone's name and have the option to chat with them if they are on line or send an e-mail if they are not
[20:42] <unitylogger> http://i.imgur.com/uKH3J.jpg
[20:53] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Thats unity?
[21:04] <Blizzz> unitylogger: new haircut?
[21:05] <claydoh> no, thatsa tru image of unitylogger after a few drinks
[21:05] <unitylogger> yah, it happens
[21:06] <claydoh> unity isn't completely aweful, after my 60 seconds' usage
[21:06] <unitylogger> buggy as hell it is
[21:07] <yofel> oh, it works now? Last time I wanted to try it I got no panels
[21:08]  * claydoh wonders how loud/how long the anti-unity/anti-gnome-shell foilks will be vocal, as comared to the kde3 die-hards
[21:09] <Daskreech> claydoh: Until someone comes up with a way to keep Gnome 2 alive
[21:09] <claydoh> yofel: yeah, one day it didn't work at all, next day's image worked
[21:09] <unitylogger> I see it already
[21:10] <unitylogger> it could be called dual or something
[21:10] <unitylogger> goes perfectly fine with trinity
[21:11] <unitylogger> claydoh: it is more fun though ... you got those that like gnome2, then you got those that hate unity, those that hate gnome shell, those that hate unity but accept gnome shell but prefer gnome2 and those that hate gnome sull but accept unity but prefer gnome2
[21:11] <unitylogger> it is the awesome
[21:11] <claydoh> unitylogger: i actually understood all that
[21:13] <claydoh> makes sense really
[21:13] <Daskreech> With the exception that if you took the time KDE 4 can be a drop in replacement for KDE 3
[21:13] <Daskreech> once most people got that they were fine
[21:14] <Daskreech>  then you had the idiots who didn't want to take the time
[21:14] <unitylogger> claydoh: are you suggesting that I am not drunk enough :O
[21:14] <Daskreech> one guy took 3 months to figure out that he could have a folder tree in Dolphin
[21:14]  * unitylogger opens another bottle of wine
[21:14] <claydoh> unitylogger: sre
[21:14] <yofel> well, there are those too that were scared off by 4.0 and didn't want to try again
[21:14] <claydoh> sure
[21:14] <yofel> we'll see how buggy gnome-shell will get
[21:15] <Daskreech> even though in his blog (of three months ago) people pointed it out to him.
[21:15] <Daskreech> yofel: it will have bugs. That's all that is needed
[21:15] <yofel> yeah, fun times ahead
[21:15] <Daskreech> Bugs in software you are using are annoying. Bugs in Software you are not are huuuuuuuuge show stoppers
[21:15] <Daskreech> Doesn't matter if they are the same bug
[21:16] <claydoh> tho you probably won't hear about missing features, as gnome doesnt really have any, sort of
[21:16] <yofel> hehe
[21:17] <yofel> you do hear people complaining about missing configurability options in unity though already
[21:17] <Daskreech> and you will have at least one oppurtunistic jackass and one stubborn loudmouth who will keep shouting till it's a massive issue that you have the bug rather than any efforts to fix it
[21:17] <Daskreech> claydoh: Gnome. The one big red button marked this is what you wanted to do
[21:18] <claydoh> heh
[21:19] <Daskreech> with any case they won't bleed people as visibly as KDE did
[21:19] <Daskreech> Though in actual numbers they might lose more users
[21:20] <Daskreech> My biggest worry for Gnome is they have a very big culture of very slow innovations and changes. So if they do realise something needs to be done it will take a long time for that to come across 
[21:21] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Wasn't Gnome3 supposed to ship Two years ago? or was it last year the grand debut was to happen?
[21:21] <unitylogger> yes, we got a bit held up
[21:22] <Daskreech> unitylogger: That's not really an answer to the question :)
[21:23] <unitylogger> sure it is :P
[21:23] <Daskreech> Two years or one year?
[21:34] <unitylogger> Daskreech: perhaps
[21:35] <Daskreech> :)
[21:36] <unitylogger> Daskreech: FWIW, IIRC it is actually both
[21:36] <unitylogger> the original early target was two years ago
[21:36] <Daskreech> Anyway two issues Gnome has to face is that you in no form or fashion can make Gnome3 into Gnome2 and they are very slow to change
[21:36] <unitylogger> and then they tried again last yera
[21:36] <Daskreech> that's what I remembered
[21:37] <unitylogger> (thats the reason there was no free desktop conference thing last year)
[21:37] <unitylogger> as gnome wanted to have guadec as promo stuffz or something
[21:37] <Daskreech> GNOME does have a boon in that Unity exists as well as Xfce
[21:37] <Daskreech> KDE doesn't really have that kind of fallback
[21:43] <claydoh> kde doesn't really need one, though perhaps an easier way to get to the klassic desktop look n feel might prove useful
[21:47] <Daskreech> claydoh: I meant another project who takes integration with KDE apps as a goal
[21:48] <Daskreech> People can still use all the GNOME apps and jump into Xfce or Unity and continue with thier lives
[21:48] <claydoh> ahh
[21:49] <claydoh> I wonder why that is :)
[21:49] <Daskreech> I've always just assumed that if you Like KDE you can make it yours
[21:49] <claydoh> kde's inherent tweakability maybe
[21:49] <claydoh> Daskreech: agreed
[21:49] <Daskreech> There hasn't been a reason to make another Qt desktop until recently
[21:50] <Daskreech> I'd say there is space now for a ultra light Qt based desktop but with Nokia going crazy people will probably wait that out
[21:59] <unitylogger> Daskreech: it is called unity-2d :P
[22:00] <unitylogger> actually I think there is one or two already
[22:00] <Daskreech> names and Git repos!
[22:00] <unitylogger> no
[22:00] <unitylogger> working stuffz
[22:00] <unitylogger> on qt-apps or kde-apps or somewhere
[22:00] <unitylogger> anyhow
[22:00] <unitylogger> the fallback for KDE is GTK :P
[22:00] <unitylogger> as Qt integrates into a gtk system anyway
[22:01] <unitylogger> that is why KDE is top of the food chain
[22:06] <nixternal> someone get sabdfl to hit my 'Contribute or Donate' button on my website, I need a new puter ASAP and I be broke :)
[22:06] <Daskreech> Get a hacky job and they will give you a computer :)
[22:09] <nixternal> i need more consulting gigs. right now i am making enough to pay bills and put food on the table. i need to put computers on the table too now :)
[22:11] <Daskreech> Put tables on the table
[22:11] <Daskreech> Capacity building
[22:18] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: When I get my check I'll toss some $$ your way
[22:28] <nixternal> $1,000 please :p
[22:28] <maco> DarkwingDuck: i still have the table of contents jjesse and i were talking about. i also talked to someone at No Starch about it at HOPE last summer
[22:28] <maco> i'd still like to do it
[22:33] <nixternal> I am donating 10% of any donations I receive to the 'get me a laptop soon fund' to relief efforts in Japan. I only feel it is the right thing to do when they need the money and support more than I need a laptop/dev box
[23:25] <DarkwingDuck> maco: I would love to help with it.