[00:33] <east> \exit
[00:55] <michal_> ?
[01:21] <bob__> Hey
[01:21] <bob__> i have a problem with laptop and updates changed my display extension to my lcd.
[01:22] <bob__> now after the updated i can not extend my destop to the lcd
[01:22] <bob__> this is an external lcd
[01:22] <bob__> any ideas how to get this back so the desktop extends and is not mirrored on the lcd
[01:23] <bob__> laptop is ibm t41
[01:23] <bob__> lcd is a acer x223w
[01:41] <kavurt> i add a new user, but it cannot connect to the wireless. even though it can see available wireless networks. what am i doing wrong?
[02:51] <dustin> any folks around
[02:51] <dustin> #list
[03:12] <james147> dustin: there are
[05:09] <srinix> hai, i need to connect bsnl broadband internet connection in kubuntu os. can someone please guide me how to connect it?
[05:16] <stbain> Am I correct to assume that there is light somewhere towards the end of the tunnel? Does virtuoso-t eventually finish indexing and pipe down a bit?
[05:30] <Scunizi> What version of kde is 10.10?
[05:37] <c2tarun> Scunizi: what do you mean?
[05:39] <Scunizi> c2tarun: I'm trying to implement "smart panel" .. which I understand is an option for 4.5.1 and above
[05:40] <c2tarun> Scunizi: well I never heard about smart panel but maverick includes kde 4.5.1
[05:42] <Scunizi> c2tarun: yea.. I finally figured that out with dolphin "about kde".. if you right mouse click on the screen and choose "add panel" instead of the standard 2 options there should be a 3rd called smart panel.. It's kind of like cairo, awn or the MAC launcher doc
[05:46] <mcurran> kaspanel
[05:46] <mcurran> kasbar I mean
[05:49] <Scunizi> where do I find that?
[05:49] <Scunizi> the other name I read is Panel Elegant.. ring a bell mcurran?
[05:52] <mcurran> no, I'm running kde3
[06:19] <srinix> hai there, i want to connect bsnl broadband connection in kubuntu 10.10 in my Compaq cq61 laptop. can someone please tell me how to connect it?
[06:55] <matu> hi
[07:00] <jmut> hi. I just installed kubuntu....some things I cannot grasp yet. how do I make default runlevel 3   or at least I think it should be this (don't want KDE running on startup..but on demand only)      tried using update-rc.d kdm remove   but no luck.  How do I disable services (example cups I dont want running)
[07:01] <jmut> there is no inittab in this regard....quite weird
[07:01] <todulchaos> how do you run sudo fdisk -l with kubuntu
[07:03] <todulchaos> look like straight ike that from the terminall
[09:09] <Roland> hi. How do I install google chrome on kubuntu 10.10 64bit ?
[09:42] <ubsafder> hello i am using linux raid how can i check all the block for correct parity on all my raid disks ?
[10:26] <bastones> Hi. I have hybrid graphics in my PC (Intel GMA 3150 and NVIDIA ION graphics cards), is there a way to switch between these two graphics cards within Kubuntu? Thanks
[10:35] <bastones> Hi. I have hybrid graphics in my computer (Intel GMA 3150 and NVIDIA ION). Is there a way to switch between these cards in Kubuntu?
[11:03] <Berenbet> Hey I need some help with that: I just downloaded a dictionire for Open Office, how to install it?
[11:19] <floown> hello
[11:20] <floown> in my chromium-browser I can't seen flash video. I have a message that is desable. How can I fix this please?
[11:20] <floown> * disable
[11:51] <jordan_> salut
[11:53] <jordan_> j'ai un probleme de son, quand je met mes écouteurs, le son sort aussi par les HP
[11:53] <jordan_> quelqu'un peut m'aider ?
[11:53] <jordan_> est-ce que ya quelqu'un qui voit ce que je marque en moins?
[11:54] <Peace-> !fr | jordan_
[12:02] <alex453> hi everyone. I want to run a socket server that will serve some 100 000 connections simultaneously. Can i make it on desctop version of ubuntu? What configuration files should i change?
[12:04] <kavurt> one of my users cannot connect to wifi. but can see available networks. what's wrong?
[12:24] <Fieldy> !chrome
[12:24] <v3ctor> !chromium
[12:25] <Fieldy> thanks. I was under the impression "chrome" and "chromium" are different, have I been misled?
[12:29] <Peace-> Fieldy: they are pretty the same
[12:30] <Peace-> but there are some feature that chrome has
[12:30] <Peace-> that chromiun has not
[12:30] <Peace-> i dont' remember well
[12:30] <Peace-> but..
[12:30] <Peace-> i suggest to try both
[12:30] <Fieldy> which is to say they aren't -- honestly i was looking for chrome, but it looks like it's quite a hassle to install (and I wasn't too keen on it anyway, just bored) -- i'm done :)
[12:30] <Peace-> download the deb
[12:31] <Peace-> sudo dpkg -i PATH/debianpackage
[12:31] <Peace-> .
[14:20] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[14:25] <Matisse> hi
[14:26] <Matisse> is there a way to get informations about my monitor with a shell command
[14:26] <Matisse> smth. like  cat /proc/monitor ?
[14:35] <Matisse> well... English mistake...
[14:35] <Matisse> I want informatiosn about my crt
[14:39] <Matisse> trying   read-edid
[14:42] <r0gers> hey all, sorry to bug you all with what is probably an easy question (google ain't talking)...where can i download a 10.10 with all current updates slipstreamed?  thanx a lot
[14:50] <BluesKaj> r0gers, slipstreamed?
[14:50] <r0gers> BluesKaj: well, updates included into the installation
[14:54] <mixer_-> привет
[14:55] <Matisse> how do I find out which files are added when installing a certain package?  apt-cache <smth.> package  ?
[14:58] <Matisse> ok, synaptic did help me
[14:58] <james147> r0gers: I think the installer has an option to downlaod updates as part of the installation, obiously it needs an internetconnection
[14:59] <r0gers> james147: yip, true dat...but the necessity of download the updates each time is kinda the reason i want them included in the iso
[14:59] <james147> r0gers: and as far as I know there is no installer cd with all the packages uptodate for 10.10... LTS releases tend to get repackaged every so often with all the updates, but not non lts
[14:59] <james147> r0gers: how many times are you planning on installing it?
[15:00] <r0gers> james147: well, i would like to deploy it across a few systems and for friends....kde 4.6.1 is the clintcher really
[15:00] <r0gers> tho it looks like remastersys might do the job
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Matisse, did you find out the command to identify your monitor ?
[15:01] <Matisse> BluesKaj, I've used  get-edit, yes
[15:01] <james147> r0gers: you can try to created a cached mirror on your lan... http://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan  would mean you only need to download it once form the internet
[15:01] <Matisse> thx
[15:02] <r0gers> james147: I had heard that *ubuntu were planning on daily updated downloads anyway in the future rather than a biyearly release schedule
[15:02] <Matisse> BluesKaj, but can you tell if I can use this information in xorg.conf? the format seems like it   .... pastebinning
[15:03] <james147> r0gers: havent heard taht
[15:03] <r0gers> james147: it seems there are workarounds, just wondered if there was an iso to download the was fully updated...guessing not
[15:03] <r0gers> james147: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/darily_ubuntu_updates/
[15:03] <Matisse> http://pastebin.com/mgRbVt2G
[15:14] <james147> r0gers: from that link i read that they where planning a rolling release cycle... but the update says then entire post is a lie ;) so they are not
[15:16] <r0gers> james147: ha, okay...shame
[15:17] <r0gers> james147: looks like this remastersys software should do the trick...thanks for you input :-)
[15:17] <james147> r0gers: not really, ubuntu never was and never will be a rolling release system... too many people rely on it being stable and rolling release models being a risk with every upgrade :)  (though that dosnt stop me from using one :D  )
[15:18] <r0gers> james147: well, a choice would at least be nice
[15:18] <james147> r0gers: choise for what?
[15:19] <r0gers> james147: download a 3 month old iso or one with latest updates slipstreamed
[15:19] <r0gers> one of the very few virtues of windows was the ability to do that quite easily...
[15:20] <james147> r0gers: that is allot more overhead for the developers that really isnt worth the effort... and windows keeps uptodate in less then a 6 mounth cycle?  ha  ...
[15:21] <r0gers> james147: well it's also available for slackware (my original OS of choice)
[15:21] <james147> r0gers: at most that post susgest they are going to make it easier to say uptodate (after you have installed) with certian packages if you choses to... but I dont think they are going to keep the install disks more uptodate then they already are
[15:22] <r0gers> james147: well, no big deal...always a workaround...one of the great things about linux :-D
[15:22] <james147> yup :D
[15:22] <r0gers> all right signing out...have a great day
[15:57] <vanguard> I have a HSPA (UMTS) USB Stick which worked fine with Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook. I tried to use it with Kubuntu 10.10 Desktop yesterday, it recognized the stick, but did not connec to anything. Was there just no connection or is the Stick not supported any more?
[16:00] <james147> vanguard: what reconised the stick? and what dident connect?
[16:00] <vanguard> james147: I saw "mobile broadband" in nm, but it did just told me "not connected"
[16:01] <vanguard> when I clicked on it, there was nothing on the side, like you would have with wireless
[16:03] <james147> vanguard: oo, bradband stick :p try setting up a connection in the manage connections dialog
[16:04] <vanguard> james147: with Ubuntu 10.04 it connected right away, and I do not have any phone number and user/pass for that thing ...
[16:08] <james147> vanguard: you could try using the gnomes network manager applet
[16:08] <james147> ^^ dont know much about mobile broadband sorry
[16:09] <vanguard> james147: hmm, I'd try it out, but it costs me 4,95€ every time I stick it in :-/
[16:09] <vanguard> Gnome might be an option ...
[16:10] <james147> vanguard: every time you stick it in or connect?
[16:10] <james147> dosnt make sense to chage you everytime you plug in the device :p
[16:11] <vanguard> james147: well, it costs 4,95€ on every day between 0:00 and 23:59, so if I just plug it in today, it is just the five squid
[16:40] <BluesKaj> I may as well ask here too : what's the command for identifying attached devices like video monitors and speakers etc .lshw -C IDs the pcis that the devices are connected to but that's all.
[16:51] <stefan___> Hallo zusammen, deutscher support channel? oder muss ich dafür woanders hin? :-)
[16:54] <Riddell> !de
[16:54] <Riddell> stefan___: ^
[16:54] <stefan___> thank you
[16:55] <serjsmolin> Is there somebody from Russia?
[16:55] <Daskreech> !ru
[16:55] <serjsmolin> Hi, all!
[16:55] <Daskreech> Hello
[16:56] <serjsmolin> 2 ubottu У меня кубунту, там мне тоже помогут? )
[17:01] <Daskreech> !bot
[17:04] <sven_oostenbrink> Is there any issue in Kubuntu 10.10 about not being able to play audio cd's??
[17:05] <Mamarok> sven_oostenbrink: why don't you believe me?
[17:05] <Mamarok> sven_oostenbrink: I know what I am talking about, using Kubuntu myself
[17:06] <sven_oostenbrink> Mamarok: not saying I dont believe you, saying thats kind of fd up..
[17:06] <Mamarok> well, no need to loose your temper, it will not change the facts
[17:06] <Mamarok> you can use VLC, that should work
[17:21] <sven_oostenbrink> Mamarok: Not loosing my temper here :) Just mentioning it, I think its kind of unacceptable that Kubuntu would drop the ball like that on a complete release.. but Im looking for alternatives now
[17:21] <sven_oostenbrink> Would songbird be an acceptable alternative?
[17:23] <Daskreech> sven_oostenbrink: if you can get it to play Audio CDs yes
[17:25] <Daskreech> Mamarok: what happened with Audio CDs?
[17:25] <sven_oostenbrink> Well, its this computer for my mom, so it has to be as simple as possible..
[17:25] <sven_oostenbrink> and one solution fits all, at least for audio
[17:25] <Daskreech> Rip the CD?
[17:25] <sven_oostenbrink> Daskreech: thats not really a "mom" solution :)
[17:26] <Daskreech> sven_oostenbrink: does audiocd:/ work in Dolphin?
[17:26] <Mamarok> sven_oostenbrink: who said it did drop the ball? HAL has to be replaced by udev anyway, and there was no other way than to run both for some time
[17:27] <Mamarok> sven_oostenLC, that should work
[17:27] <Mamarok> sorry, sven_oLC, that should work
[17:27] <Daskreech> ha ha
[17:27] <Daskreech> she means VLC
[17:28] <Mamarok> dassigh, sorry, sometimes the trackpad gets in the way
[17:28] <stefan___> somebody can help by no sound on realtek HD chip and nvidia gpu? thank in advance
[17:28] <Daskreech> Mamarok: You can set it to shutoff when you start typing
[17:29] <Mamarok> Daskreech: I should just watch the line before hitting enter I think :)
[17:30] <Daskreech> Mamarok: My fingers move way faster than my roving eyes most days
[17:38] <Matisse> BluesKaj, you need to install read-edid
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Matisse, I did
[17:39] <Matisse> thought you wanted to help me, but you had the same question as it seems... :)
[17:40] <Matisse> BluesKaj, did get-edid (and parse-edid !) help you and have you found out more?
[17:41] <princekhaled> Hello guys
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Matisse, no luck , I just get a line of messages  Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC1 transfers etc
[17:47] <Iatagore> Is it possible to install KOffice without KDE?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> Matisse, i know what my monitor is of course but it would be nice to help those who are having trouble
[17:48] <BluesKaj> Iatagore, whynot tru openoffice , it 's cross platform
[17:48] <BluesKaj> try
[17:49] <Iatagore> BluesKaj: I'm looking to use a specific application from KOffice
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: Yes.  You will probably need kdelibs but you don't need the full KDE SC.
[17:49] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: That's true, BTW, of any KDE app.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> one would think linux office suites would be compatible with each others files
[17:50] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: Thanks. If I install KDE from plain old Ubuntu, can I use KDE?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> Iatagore, in word yes
[17:51] <BluesKaj> a word
[17:51] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:51] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: All you have to do, in Ubuntu, is "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop".  Then, you can select either KDE or GNOME at the GDM login screen.
[17:51] <Matisse> BluesKaj, i think you found it, but just for completion: you also need parse-edid because of the binary output of get-edid
[17:51]  * BluesKaj hopes we get another kde convert
[17:52] <Iatagore> BluesKaj, DarthFrog: I see. I'm trying to configure this package but it says that headers aren't installed though I just installed the libraries
[17:52] <Iatagore> KDE headers*
[17:52] <BluesKaj> Matisse, ok, but what's the right command , i tried both
[17:52] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: What package?
[17:52] <Iatagore> KPlato from KOffice
[17:53] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: Try "sudo apt-get install koffice-dev".
[17:53] <Matisse> BluesKaj, get-edid | parse-edid  (and the best would be to 2>/dev/null ... dont know where to put it :) )
[17:54] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: Oh, the problem is the repositories seem to be outdated, so that's why I downloaded the source instead of using an old version of the application in the repos, is it okay if I use that package?
[17:54] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: In general, headers will be in -dev, not -libs, packages.
[17:55] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: Urk, probably not.
[17:56] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: Did the source repo have any binaries?  Ones from Debian should do fine in Ubuntu.
[17:57] <DarthFrog> One of these days, I'm going to have to learn how to build DEB packages from source.
[17:57] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: It says the version for KOffice-dev on the repos is 2.1.2, and I'm installing KOffice 1.6.something
[17:57] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: Then you'll need to have everything version 1.6  Mixing versions is an excellent way to totally bollix things up.
[17:57] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: I can check for any binaries but they don't have any for Debian or Ubuntu I think
[17:58] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: Alright then
[17:58] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: I'm not going to be of any help to you for compiling KOffice from source.  Presumably, they'll have instructions on their web site about how to do it.
[17:59] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: You'll probably get the appropriate help (or directions to appropriate help) in #KDE.
[17:59] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: The thing is some of those channels seem to be empty :P
[17:59] <Matisse> BluesKaj, get-edid 2>/dev/null | parse-edid    and if the output is not helpful let the user check the error-messages
[18:00] <DarthFrog> Iatagore: It is said that patience is a virtue.  I say the necessity for patience is a PITA. :-)
[18:01] <Iatagore> DarthFrog: Or not :o. They explicitly require KDE3, but I'll go see what's happening in #KDE
[18:02] <BluesKaj> Matisse, it doesn't identify my panasonic monitor , altho my nvidia X server setiings config gui does
[18:04] <Matisse_> BluesKaj, how do you called that gui?
[18:05] <sven_oostenbrink> Mamarok: sorry, was away for a minute.. I mentioned "dropped the ball" as in... My mother has a simple computer on which she wants to play card games, music, and check her email.. since windows was not really an option (Use it myself, its a low spec computer, virusses, etc) I proposed kubuntu, works perfect! only.. Now I see it cant do something basic as play audio CD's.. I know the technical reasons, etc. but try explaining that to an end user.. an
[18:05] <sven_oostenbrink> OS that cant play an audio CD, to them, is silly..
[18:06] <sven_oostenbrink> Daskreech: audiocd:/ seems to work
[18:07] <Daskreech> sven_oostenbrink: you can ironically just play from there :)
[18:07] <Daskreech> or you if you like just copy one of the Directories to the hard drive. It will rip it seamlessly
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Matisse_, kmenu/applications/settings/Nvidia Xserver settings...that's if you have a nvidia graphics card
[18:07] <sven_oostenbrink> Daskreech: mmmm, I know that would work, but again, I need a mom-proof system :)
[18:07] <Daskreech> VLC as your Audio CD handler should work
[18:08] <sven_oostenbrink> Daskreech: trying songbird right now, heard lots of good about it.. strangely its not really supported anymore by ubuntu..
[18:08] <sven_oostenbrink> Daskreech: afaik, they dropped linux suport altogether..
[18:08] <Daskreech> Yes the project was shutdown
[18:08] <Daskreech> I think they started it back but only work on Android and IPhone now
[18:08] <Matisse_> BluesKaj, ah... but I've got an ATI...
[18:09] <sven_oostenbrink> Daskreech: great future prospect...
[18:09] <Daskreech> Assuming you can get your mom to put a CD into her android Device :)
[18:09] <Mamarok> sven_oostenbrink: well, the Linux version9is not supported anymore, why don't you try VLC as suggested?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> sven_oostenbrink, unfortunately ubuntu suffers from political infighting over audio porcessing and has for a few yrs , that why we get stuck with pulseaudsio even tho it's uneccessary for most onboard sound cards
[18:10] <sven_oostenbrink> BluesKaj: afaik, pulseaudio is the reason for most common audio problems, isnt it?
[18:11] <BluesKaj> sven_oostenbrink, for most of us , yes
[18:20] <BluesKaj> Matisse_, do you have the ati-catalyst ?
[18:21] <Matisse_> BluesKaj, no, i think my graphic card was too old therefore its support in catalyst was removed
[18:25] <varikth> hola una consulta alguno sabe dalgun chat donde te den soporte de ubuntu 10.10 ?? o este es el chat :D
[18:29] <Daskreech> !es
[18:29] <sven_oostenbrink> On Kubuntu, when I insstall chromium, it doesnt show in the Kubuntu menu.. Known issue?
[18:30] <varikth> ooh thx srry
[18:30] <Daskreech> Really? Should be there
[18:30] <varikth> ok
[18:30] <Daskreech> Some packages I find turn up on reboot for some reason
[18:30] <Daskreech> or relogin at least
[18:30] <Daskreech> varikth: Gracias :)
[18:31] <vanguard> how can I find how how a .pk3 file was packed? I want to change some files in it and need to repack it in the same way it is now
[18:44] <thekimjj> \exit
[18:45] <sven_oostenbrink> How can I configure device association that it will use vlc to play audio cd's instead of amarok? Tried inserting CD, selecting audio CD, got list of 4 items, RMB on amarok, then modify, aply, etc. In the configuration it shows VLC, but in the list when I click on the CD, it keeps using amarok..
[18:45] <sven_oostenbrink> Or maybe better.. can i configure somehow that on inserting CD, it directly executes VLC?
[18:47] <sysop3> is there a way to force which monitor a program comes up on using kstart?
[18:56] <vanguard> I would like to have a program that creates a folder structure based on my songs id3 tags -- which one could I use for that?
[18:57] <Daskreech> Dolphin?
[18:57] <vanguard> Daskreech: I mean automatically, or does dolphin have that feature?
[18:58] <Daskreech> I think it's had that since KDE 4.5
[18:58] <sysop3> is there a way to force which monitor a program comes up on using kstart?
[18:58] <Daskreech> There is an external app that does it as well (which Dolphin uses the library from) I don't remember the name though
[18:59] <Daskreech> sysop3: You can do it with kwin's window rules
[19:00] <sysop3> Daskreech,  how do I do that?
[19:00] <sysop3> its a non kde program
[19:00] <Daskreech> I don't think that Kwin cares
[19:01] <Daskreech> alt+F3 -> advanced -> special application settings?
[19:01] <sysop3> so do I run kwin some option then the program I want.
[19:01] <sysop3> oh, alt f3 ok let me try that thanks.
[19:01] <Daskreech> just put a rule on the application with Kwin
[19:03] <sysop3> thanks alt-f3 worked, now I can move the window where I want. close enough thanks.
[19:04] <Daskreech> :)
[19:17] <agnese> helo everyone ^^ does anybody dealed with nvidia drivers and maverick? and does anybody solved? 8(
[19:18] <james147> agnese: solved what exactly?
[19:20] <agnese> solved XD i have maverick just installed (yesterday). everuthing works great, also compiz (yes i have compiz) but my nvidia graphic card are not find by the system. i tried to install them in a couple of ways , but no way 8( in one case X didn't start anymore (neither in failsafe mode) and in one cse my desktop was totally upside-down ò.O
[19:21] <james147> agnese: what ways have your tried to install them?
[19:28] <agnese> i tried by using "addition driver" and the X dead, then i solved and once fixed , i tried again following this page, ( //www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-nvidia-260-19-12-drivers-in-ubuntu-10-1010-04-using-ppa.html ) and the result was the upside-down screen 8(
[19:29] <agnese> int his second way kernel get's updated.... i may try to update the driver with jokey again, now?
[19:37] <mic1> how do i align my lang from l 2 r to the opposite?
[19:38] <Daskreech> mic1: Locales In system settings I think
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Hiya Daskreech :)
[19:39] <mic1> daskreech: thnx and then what?
[19:39] <Daskreech> hi BluesKaj :)
[19:45] <BluesKaj> is there a method to include the pw in sudoers for ssh-ing into a local machine ?
[19:46] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Say that again with an example
[19:48] <BluesKaj> well Daskreech for example I have a sudoers line that calls the stored password in /usr/bin/application , when doing aptitude install etc
[19:49] <Daskreech> I'm not sure that's how it works but ok
[19:49] <BluesKaj> I've included /usr/bin/ssh
[19:50] <Daskreech> You want to sudo ssh ?
[19:50] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: What's your end goal here?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> yeah, i'm tired of typing , as you know i'm a bit lazy
[19:51] <Daskreech> right
[19:51] <Daskreech> what are you trying to accomplish?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> when I ssh into another linux machine on my network i'd like it to call the the pw from the sudoers file if that's possible , rather than typing it each time it's requested
[19:53] <DarthFrog> Why?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> lazy
[19:53] <aperson> just do a passwordless key
[19:53] <aperson> if you don't want to type it in
[19:53] <DarthFrog> Or ssh-agent.
[19:54] <DarthFrog> I do PKI authentication, like aperson suggests.
[19:55] <aperson> I wish ssh-copy-id worked on sshds on non-standard ports :S
[19:55] <DarthFrog> I don't know ssh-copy-id.  What does it do?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> sounds like it's more trouble than just typing the pw
[19:55] <aperson> it's super easy
[19:55] <aperson> three lines of commands
[19:56] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: It is more trouble at the start.  But once you've set it up, it's trivially easy.
[19:56] <DarthFrog> For ssh-agent, you could do it from an Autostart job.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> brb , gotta help wifet for a min
[19:57] <aperson> ssh-copy-id is for copying your keys to another machine, DarthFrog
[19:58] <aperson> ssh-keygen -t dsa ; ssh-copy-id -i /path/to/your/keyfile.dsa user@host
[19:59] <DarthFrog> aperson: W00t!  Thx for that.  I just used it for the first time.  Nice.
[19:59] <aperson> bam, passwordless logins
[19:59] <aperson> just don't try it on a machine that doesn't have ssh on the standard port :S
[19:59] <aperson> there's a workaround for it, but it doesn't work here, so I had to do the old way of copying them
[20:00] <DarthFrog> All my public servers run on non-standard ports.  But I already have them set up.
[20:00] <DarthFrog> Yeah, the "-p 1022" switch doesn't work. :-(
[20:01] <aperson> I think the workaround was if you put the -p PORT in quote, it worked
[20:01] <aperson> I can't remember, I saw it on commandlinefu
[20:02] <BluesKaj> aperson, what would be the default path :  path/to/your/keyfile.dsa ?
[20:02] <aperson> .ssh/ something
[20:02] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  ~/.ssh/
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok, i thought it was the known.hosts
[20:03] <BluesKaj> it is :)
[20:04] <DarthFrog> known_hosts is just that, sites youi've ssh'd into before.
[20:04] <Daskreech> sorry
[20:04] <Daskreech> ISP is screwing with me
[20:04] <aperson> I wish there was a util to remove entries from known_hosts
[20:04] <DarthFrog> If you ssh into an unknown host, it asks you if you really want to do this.  Once you say yes, that site is added to known_hosts and you're not asked again.
[20:04] <Daskreech> what did BluesKaj want?
[20:04] <Daskreech> aperson: There is
[20:05] <DarthFrog> aperson: I do it manually.
[20:05] <aperson> I do it manually as well
[20:05] <aperson> I had an awk script that you could give a line number, and it'd remove it
[20:05] <aperson> but I lost that (I'm sure it's a trivial thing to do)
[20:06] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: What util is that?
[20:08] <Daskreech> ssh-agent I think
[20:09] <Daskreech> You give it a host name and it removes it
[20:09] <Daskreech> from known_hosts
[20:09] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Did you get a solution to your issue?
[20:12] <arrrghhh> ok, this has been driving me nuts - i have an htpc using kubuntu 10.10, and i just put it to sleep to ram so it can quickly wake.  on wake, it always asks for my password - i don't want this!  it should prompt for anything that needs su, but not on wake.  how can i disable this?
[20:13] <Daskreech> as far as I know it will ask for a password on wake
[20:14] <BluesKaj> x froze again , had to do a hard reboot
[20:14] <aperson> can't you re-enable ctrl+backspace?
[20:15] <BluesKaj> input devices become totally unresponsive
[20:15] <BluesKaj> mouse & KB both
[20:15] <aperson> yeah, ctrl+backspace would restart x
[20:15] <DarthFrog> aperson: Not any more.
[20:15] <BluesKaj> nope. power down / up
[20:15] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: I was asking if your question was answered?
[20:16] <aperson> of course, you should be able to do alt+sysreq REISUB
[20:16] <DarthFrog> AlT-SysReq-K
[20:16] <Daskreech> aperson: Yes you can
[20:16] <aperson> DarthFrog↳ I have ctrl+backspace enabled on my computer...
[20:16] <Daskreech> !dontzaq
[20:16] <BluesKaj> I got an error , I think the path was wrong
[20:16] <DarthFrog> !dontzap
[20:17] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, no way to remove it?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, thanks , but the KB doesn't respond
[20:17] <arrrghhh> i want it to ask for passwords when updating, installing, etc
[20:17] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: last I heard there wasn't is was simply how the power specs worked.
[20:17] <aperson> ooh, I meant ctrl+alt+backspace, heh - it's been a while since I've needed to do it
[20:17] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, :/
[20:18] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter what the keystrokes are , they don't register ")
[20:18] <aperson> BluesKaj↳ the kernel probably still is listening, there's hardly any situation that you *can't* REISUB to safely reboot
[20:18] <aperson> regardless of if X is working or not
[20:18] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: I didn't hear what the issue was :)
[20:18] <Daskreech> aperson: I've hit it twice though
[20:19] <BluesKaj> aperson, well if the keyboard isn't working......
[20:19] <DarthFrog> Hmm, the instructions in that !dontzap URL don't work for KDE SC 4.6.
[20:19] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: The keyboard can still be working and the UI doesn't respond. It can't hurt to try a SysreqK
[20:20] <aperson> I believe the don't zap bit was removed and you have to re-enable ctrl+alt+backspace a different way IIRC
[20:20] <aperson> alt+sysreq*
[20:20] <BluesKaj> yeah, methinks it could be a kde 4.6 on natty problem
[20:21] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, so you're telling me there's this whole system to enable autologin on boot, but nothing on wake...?  i feel like i'm just missing something somewhere...
[20:21] <BluesKaj> aperson, any could you give that ssh regen command again pls
[20:23] <aperson> I'm only going from memory, BluesKaj , but it should be ssh-keygen -t dsa
[20:23] <aperson> don't give it a password
[20:24] <Daskreech> aperson: Yeah I know. File a bug against powerdevil if you like
[20:25] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: I see the option here
[20:25] <aperson> arrrghhh↳ read message addressed to me
[20:26] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: read the message that pinged aperson instead. Sorry :)
[20:26] <aperson> it ain't easy starting with an a!
[20:26] <arrrghhh> o
[20:26] <arrrghhh> bug against powerdevil
[20:26] <arrrghhh> so there is no way?  ok.
[20:27] <arrrghhh> i was thinking even some hackey workaround would do :P  wanted to make sure there wasn't 'some other way', y'know
[20:27] <DarthFrog> Daskreech:  It turns out that I had long ago enabled it via .xinitrc. :)
[20:27] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: as I recall last time i looked was about a year and a 1/2 ago
[20:28] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: ah Far as I know I enabled it then disenabled it when I found sysreqK
[20:29] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, ok thank you
[20:29] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Hold on
[20:29] <Daskreech> talking to a upower dev
[20:30] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: So you just wanted to ssh without a password?
[20:30] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: You can stop screaming :)
[20:31] <arrrghhh> lolwut
[20:31] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: alt+F2 -> Powerdevil -> Global Settings
[20:31] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, I gave up , i'm just getting errors . it's no point
[20:31] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: What are your errors and the steps you have done
[20:31]  * BluesKaj serhes for the SysReq-K key :)
[20:32] <BluesKaj> err searches
[20:32] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  It's two keys. :-)
[20:32] <Daskreech> ssh was setup for the purpose of security so it's very particular about things
[20:32] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, i'm there..?
[20:32] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: What's the first option?
[20:34] <arrrghhh> not sure how i missed that.
[20:34] <arrrghhh> lol
[20:34] <arrrghhh> sad, i even created my own profile
[20:35]  * BluesKaj has had enuff for one day , no point in trying to pull hen's teeth ...later
[20:35] <Daskreech> ha ha ha :-)
[20:36] <arrrghhh> hrm.  i don't think i should've updated so far...
[20:36] <arrrghhh> i didn't have the option at first.  i keep having graphics glitches where it won't paint the full panel correctly.
[20:37] <arrrghhh> going in thru alt-f2 seemed to work better tho... bleh.
[20:37] <arrrghhh> anyhoo, sorry 'bout that.  /fail
[20:54] <silviu_> hello
[20:56] <Daskreech> Hi
[21:15] <mic1> hello
[21:17] <Daskreech> hi
[21:20] <samuel> hello everyone
[21:21] <Daskreech> Everyone isn't here right now would you like to leave a message?
[21:21] <samuel> yeah
[21:22] <Daskreech> 'beep'
[21:22] <samuel> how can i control wich monitor is turned of on bootup?
[21:22] <dustin> hmm anyone on host or have mad there own muds?
[21:24] <samuel> isn't this a kubuntu support channel??
[21:24] <CuBeTop> hi all! I've got a small problem with network-manager. I'm currently connected with mobile broadband via my nokia 5800 on USB. I have good connection, but network-manager (or any network monitoring plasma wiget) can't show the transmitted data or conection speed
[21:25] <CuBeTop> I'm limited to 100MB per month on this phone, so I'd really like to know how much data I can use
[21:25] <CuBeTop> brb
[21:26] <samuel> i like to speak with the manager please
[21:29] <samuel> useless support channel
[21:30] <DarthFrog> samuel: And what brings you to that conclusion?
[21:31] <DarthFrog> samuel: If you need support for Kubuntu, ask a *specific* question.  If anyone can help you, they will.
[21:32] <samuel> kubuntu is just ubuntu
[21:32] <samuel> nothing special
[21:32] <DarthFrog> Kubuntu is Ubuntu for those who prefer KDE SC over GNOME.
[21:32] <samuel> different desktop enviroments and some appz
[21:32] <DarthFrog> Right.
[21:33] <samuel> i've got 3 desktops installed and i prefer lxde
[21:33] <DarthFrog> As is Xubuntu and Lubuntu.
[21:33] <samuel> lubuntu is what i use
[21:33] <dustin> later everyone
[21:33] <DarthFrog> samuel: It's personal preference, not a religious choice.
[21:33] <samuel> works fine on hp-550
[21:34] <samuel> amen
[21:34] <samuel> now to my question
[21:34] <samuel> what config file controls wich monitor is on/off?
[21:35] <silviu_> anyone can tell me how to connect to freenode?
[21:35] <james147> silviu_: your already connected
[21:35] <DarthFrog> samuel: If you don't get an answer, it's not that you're being ignored.  Likely no one who is currently active can answer your question.
[21:35] <silviu_> say what?
[21:36] <DarthFrog> silviu_: :-) This is #Kubuntu on Freenode.
[21:36] <silviu_> i want to acces #digikam
[21:36] <DarthFrog> silviu_:  So type "/join #digikam"
[21:36] <samuel> so i got to turn to big brother google then
[21:36] <james147> silviu_: then join that channel :) "/join #digikam"
[21:36] <silviu_> thanx a lot
[21:37] <samuel> i've heard that debian is more stable then *buntu is that true?
[21:38] <samuel> they say *buntu uses debian as it core
[21:38] <Daskreech> samuel: Xorg.conf I would suspect
[21:38] <james147> samuel: ubuntu is based of debian.. and debian is considered more stable... but only becase it uses older software
[21:39] <Daskreech> samuel: Debian is ridiculously stable
[21:39] <Daskreech> I think they just released KDE 4.3 ?
[21:39] <samuel> in what folder can i find Xorg.conf?
[21:39] <samuel> i'm new to *nix anyhow
[21:39] <DarthFrog> Yes, it shows. :-)
[21:39] <Daskreech> samuel: Currently you can't but if you make one it will be recognized in /etc/Xorg
[21:40] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: Hush :)
[21:40] <DarthFrog> But that's not a problem.  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:40] <samuel> i now some basic command stuff like apt-get install etc
[21:40] <samuel> but in a sence debian and ubuntu are the same but with different goals??
[21:41] <Daskreech> You could say that about any two linux Distros
[21:41] <DarthFrog> samuel: In a nutshell, yes.  But there're politics involved.
[21:41] <Daskreech> Which you could say about any large project :)
[21:41] <samuel> got lubuntu running a lamp, works fine and its easy on the resources and mem
[21:42]  * DarthFrog notes that politics plays a massive role in FOSS.
[21:42] <Daskreech> or any large project
[21:42] <Daskreech> I'm sure you can say the same about PETA
[21:42] <samuel> they say ubuntu is trying to be like windows
[21:42] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: Or any time 3 people are involved in anything. :-)
[21:42] <Daskreech> samuel: read Bug 1
[21:42] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: I could get French on you but COC ;)
[21:42] <samuel> what is bug1 Daskreech?
[21:43] <Daskreech> !bug1
[21:43] <DarthFrog> samuel: Not be like Windows.  To be a superb free desktop system for everyone.
[21:43] <samuel> !bug1
[21:43] <james147> samuel: i wouldnt say trying to be like windows, but they might do some similar things... ie making it easier to use
[21:43] <Daskreech> !bug 1
[21:43] <samuel> doesnt work here Daskreech?
[21:43] <Daskreech> samuel: ^^ there you go :)
[21:44] <DarthFrog> samuel:  You will undoubtedly notice convergence between Linux, Windows and Mac OS.
[21:44] <Daskreech> More so Mac OS and Linux in my opinion
[21:44] <samuel> i like ubuntu though
[21:44] <Daskreech> Windows is more likely to go crazy and jump in some strange direction to throw people off
[21:44] <samuel> but still think i need to try out debian to
[21:45] <Daskreech> samuel: You'll likely be disappointed
[21:45] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: More like Mac OS in the sense of a desire for elegance.
[21:45] <Daskreech> The software is almost exactly the same
[21:45] <DarthFrog> samuel: Debian is most definitely not for newbies.
[21:45] <Daskreech> DarthFrog: Eh?
[21:45] <samuel> in fact i downloaded kubuntu, ubuntu, lubuntu and xubuntu and i didn't know at the time that i didn't need to..
[21:45] <Daskreech> THe Project maybe. They are quite rude there
[21:45] <samuel> now i know how to install a desktop
[21:45] <Daskreech> but to install and use it's really easy
[21:46] <Daskreech> samuel: yay! Progress :)
[21:46] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: It seems to me that Ayatana is a manifestation of a desire for design elegance.
[21:46] <samuel> the cli is friendly i think
[21:46] <samuel> there is a learning curve offcourse
[21:46] <samuel> next step is to learn compling apzz
[21:47]  * Daskreech hugs samuel
[21:47] <DarthFrog> samuel: Pick up a copy of O'Reilly's "Linux In A Nutshell".
[21:47] <samuel> i got it as a ebook DarthFrog
[21:47] <samuel> it was free
[21:47] <samuel> or not
[21:47] <DarthFrog> You'll find it invaluable.
[21:47] <samuel> got it lol
[21:47] <samuel> anyone here ever attempted a linux from scratch??
[21:48] <samuel> that is something i like to do some day, i need more knowlegde first
[21:48] <DarthFrog> If you can also get "Learning The Bash Shell" and "Learning The vi Editor", you'll be set.
[21:48] <Daskreech> samuel: Yes
[21:48] <samuel> don't like nano, is that just me?
[21:48]  * Daskreech coughs. *Emacs*
[21:49] <samuel> never tried vi  Editor either
[21:49] <samuel> i used gedit and leafpad
[21:49] <samuel> gksudo though
[21:49] <james147> Daskreech: you should see to that cough... :)
[21:49] <DarthFrog> samuel: vi is *extremely* capable.  Avoid emacs - it's an OS that can also edit files. :-)
[21:50] <samuel> is vi available by default (as nano is)?
[21:50] <DarthFrog> Yes.  The best version of vi is vim.
[21:50] <james147> samuel: vi is availble on more computers then nano
[21:51]  * Daskreech koffs. *Emacs*
[21:51] <james147> samuel: but you should install vim if you want to actaully use it
[21:51] <Daskreech> samuel: vi is a default. Nano isn't by any stretch of the imagination
[21:51]  * james147 hands Daskreech some medicine
[21:51] <samuel> yeah vi is installed here
[21:52] <samuel> perhaps its also installed on lununtu, try later
[21:52] <samuel> nano suck really
[21:52] <DarthFrog> samuel:  You will find vi to be difficult at first.  But once you get around the fact that it's a modal editor, you'll be away to the races and have a powerful tool at your disposal.
[21:52] <james147> samuel: vi is a very basic version of vim... has allot of useful stuff missing
[21:52] <samuel> but vim is for gksudo?
[21:52] <Daskreech> samuel: vi is installed on basically any linux with a shell
[21:52] <samuel> and vi for sudo?
[21:52] <DarthFrog> samuel: You could use gvim there.
[21:53] <samuel> new to me: gvim
[21:53] <samuel> is that a gui?
[21:53] <DarthFrog> gvim is a graphical version of vim.
[21:53] <samuel> i see
[21:53] <Daskreech> james147: actually vim is an improved vi :)
[21:53] <DarthFrog> !gvim
[21:53] <james147> samuel: both vi and vim are commandline, so sudo will work with both
[21:53] <samuel> is it any good?
[21:53] <james147> Daskreech: yeah..
[21:53] <Daskreech> samuel: it's the same software just new look
[21:53] <DarthFrog> samuel: gvim?  Don't know, I don't use it.  I live at the command line.
[21:54] <Daskreech> samuel: The core concept of UNIX involves everything in the world being a file and one program doing something very well
[21:54] <samuel> i'm new though but learned some usefull stuff the last week
[21:54] <samuel> editing php.ini, apache2.conf stuff, all fun
[21:55] <Daskreech> If vi is good at being vi then GVIM won't try and rewrite it. It will just call vi and ask it to do work
[21:55] <samuel> anyone know a good php editor?
[21:55] <samuel> not for cli
[21:55] <Daskreech> vi :-)
[21:55] <samuel> gui :)
[21:55] <Daskreech> oh
[21:55] <Daskreech> hmm
[21:55] <Daskreech> Kate ?
[21:55] <FloodBotK2> Daskreech: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:55] <Daskreech> Quanta?
[21:55] <DarthFrog> Daskreech: That philosophy applies only outside X. :-)  You cannot say that any general x app is small and specialises in doing one thing extremely well!
[21:55] <samuel> got phpedit here but its kind of basic
[21:55] <Daskreech> Konqueror
[21:55] <samuel> cli for editing php  lol
[21:55] <samuel> its doable
[21:55] <Daskreech> samuel: it's the most popular place for it
[21:55] <marxjohnson> Eclipse/PDT is good, altough it's a bit heavy for quick editing
[21:56] <DarthFrog> samuel: vim for any editing at the command line.
[21:56] <samuel> but hack i need a fast way ;)
[21:56] <samuel> i come from windows you know
[21:56] <samuel> still use win7 and xp at times
[21:56] <DarthFrog> samuel: There will plugins for vim for any language you can imagine.
[21:56] <james147> ^^ also i think kdevelop can do php now
[21:56] <marxjohnson> Kate is nice for quick hacking
[21:56] <samuel> there is only one thing i have not found
[21:57] <samuel> anyone from windows and doing css might know about it
[21:57] <samuel> Topstyle
[21:57] <samuel> is there anything like that for Ubuntu?
[21:57] <samuel> a friendly CSS editor :)
[21:59] <samuel> why is it that every desktop enviroment installs extra applications?
[21:59] <Daskreech> samuel: That's what it means to be a desktop
[21:59] <DarthFrog> That's why it's call an "environment".
[21:59] <Daskreech> Otherwise they would be a window manager :)
[21:59] <samuel> i see a desktop as a gui and nothing more
[22:00] <Daskreech> samuel: that would be a shell
[22:00] <DarthFrog> samuel:  Methinks you need to investigate FVWM. :-)  Or twm.
[22:00] <samuel> its like windows
[22:00] <samuel> FVWM?
[22:00] <samuel> twm
[22:00] <DarthFrog> !fvwm
[22:00] <samuel> learning new stuff
[22:00] <Daskreech> samuel: Windows is an OS, Kernel, Shell and Desktop Environment in one
[22:00] <samuel> !vwm
[22:00] <samuel> !fvwm
[22:01] <Daskreech> !info fvwm
[22:01] <samuel> why don't i see anything happen when i do !fvwm??
[22:01] <DarthFrog> Becaus there is no entry in the bot.
[22:01] <samuel> it works for ubottu?
[22:02] <DarthFrog> ubottu is the bot.
[22:02] <samuel> lol
[22:02] <Daskreech> samuel: no that's !info fwvm
[22:02] <samuel> oke then now i understand
[22:02] <Daskreech> like
[22:02] <Daskreech> hmm
[22:02] <samuel> !info fwvm
[22:02] <Daskreech> !vrms
[22:02] <samuel> !info lamp
[22:02] <samuel> mmm
[22:02] <Daskreech> !info vrms
[22:02] <samuel> !info lampp
[22:02] <Daskreech> samuel: no that would just be !lamp
[22:02] <DarthFrog> samuel: LAMP isn't a package.  It is an acronym.
[22:03] <samuel> hack
[22:03] <DarthFrog> LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl/Python/PHP
[22:03] <samuel> anyway
[22:03] <Daskreech> samuel: !info gives you information about a program you can install
[22:03] <Daskreech> !concept gives you more info on the concept
[22:03] <Daskreech> Sorry
[22:03] <Daskreech> !botsnack
[22:04] <samuel> !die
[22:04] <samuel> !sleep
[22:04] <samuel> nah stupid bot
[22:04] <samuel> !reboot
[22:04] <samuel> no such thing eh
[22:04] <Daskreech> ha ha
[22:04] <samuel> !apt-get autoremove
[22:04] <samuel> would that remove the bot?
[22:05] <Daskreech> !info bluefish
[22:05] <Daskreech> That might help
[22:05] <Daskreech> !info quanta
[22:06] <samuel> yeah i have bluefish installed
[22:06] <Daskreech> Oh wow KDE3
[22:06] <james147> Daskreech: not enough devs for the kde4 port :(
[22:06] <samuel> b43 driver
[22:06] <Daskreech> james147: That's terrible
[22:07] <samuel>  i learned how to install the wifi driver without a live internet connection
[22:07] <samuel> very usefull to know
[22:07] <Daskreech> samuel: Very
[22:07] <samuel> seems that my wifi isn't opensource
[22:08] <james147> Daskreech: it is, but thats one of the problems with some opensource projects :( lack of intrested developers
[22:08] <samuel> is anyone here still using windows?
[22:09] <samuel> this very sony vaio is dualboot win7 and ubuntu
[22:11] <Daskreech> james147: one of the powers of opensource though
[22:11] <Daskreech> samuel: Yes
[22:11] <james147> Daskreech: definitely
[22:12] <samuel> i mount the win 7 partition in ubuntu on boot
[22:13] <samuel> and i use thunderbird on win and ubuntu, with the profilemanager i've set it to use the profile on my windows partition
[22:13] <samuel> handy way to have account and mails available on boths OSes
[22:15] <cordell> the KDE battery moniter that is not detecting my charger from being removed from the laptop, running acpi from the CLI says that it detects my charger plugged in, but the KDE battery in the system tray does not
[22:15] <Dewitts> I'm dual booting Ubuntu and Vista
[22:16] <Dewitts> some things just don't play nice with Ubuntu for some reason :/
[22:16] <samuel> i got the unsupported? media codecs installed
[22:16] <samuel> i can play about anything on ubuntu
[22:17] <Dewitts> sorry Sam, I don't mean films
[22:17] <Dewitts> i should have said some things just don't want to work
[22:17] <samuel> just some hours ago i runned a script that compiled some app for HP printers, now i can print :)
[22:18] <samuel> like what Dewitts?
[22:18] <Dewitts> Like my daughter has a nintendo dsi. I have an r4i card so she can play homebrew games on it
[22:18] <Alonea> ok, I am constantly pasting previously copied (and sometimes I don't even know how it copied certain text I never intentionally copied) while I type. I assume its because my palms are brushing the touchpad. How do I get this to stop. I have had this issue for years with ubuntu and have never been able to fix it.
[22:18] <Alonea> only had this issue on linux systems and touchpad. never any other
[22:19] <Dewitts> every now and then it needs updating so you have to download the new program files and copy them to the micro sd card
[22:19] <samuel> so your windows has still a good use then
[22:19] <samuel> i hardly use win 7 anymore, most of the time i boot ubuntu with the lxde desktop
[22:20] <Dewitts> Well when you try to delete the old files off the card it says i don't have permission as they are read only, but i can delete them in windows just fine
[22:20] <samuel> chmod didn't work?
[22:21] <Dewitts> not sure what that is Sam, i'm fairly new to linux and the files weren't read only in the 1st place :/
[22:21] <samuel> i'm new to, about a week now
[22:22] <samuel> i need chmod to get access to my /etc/www folder
[22:22] <Dewitts> so in a nut shell
[22:22] <Dewitts> what does it do?
[22:22] <samuel> i'm still not sure why i need to chmod /etc/www/foo while i allready got write access?
[22:23] <Dewitts> strange
[22:23] <Dewitts> another thing i've found weird!!
[22:23] <samuel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod
[22:23] <Dewitts> considering Ubuntu uses approx 2% of my processor when idle and about 10% of my ram
[22:24] <Dewitts> why the hell does it use up my full laptop battery in 45 mins watching a film with earphones connected??
[22:24] <Dewitts> it lasts over an hour and a half on vista :?
[22:25] <james147> Dewitts: while watching a film as well?
[22:25] <Dewitts> yep
[22:25] <Alonea> were both films of similar quality?
[22:25] <samuel> lubuntu on my hp-550 (Intel® Celeron® M Processor 530 (1.73 GHz 1 MB L2 cache 533 MHz FS) with 2GB men uses about 240 mb while running apache2, ftp server etc
[22:25] <james147> Dewitts: try using powertop to see whats draining the power
[22:26] <Alonea> like it would take more power to do HD than SD
[22:26] <Dewitts> normally switch off all the extras I can like sidebar, antivirus etc on vista though
[22:26] <samuel> is there a way to see what apps are calling outside and on what ports?
[22:27] <Dewitts> i'd have to install that from the software centre james?
[22:27] <james147> yes
[22:29] <Dewitts> well it installed
[22:29] <Dewitts> dunno where to find it though lol
[22:30] <james147> Dewitts: open a terminal and type "sudo powertop"
[22:30] <Dewitts> ahh thanks
[22:32] <samuel> who is building websites?
[22:33] <Daskreech> samuel: Rhetorical
[22:33] <Daskreech> ?
[22:33] <samuel> what is that?
[22:34] <Daskreech> the question
[22:34] <Daskreech> I don't know how to answer it
[22:35] <samuel> well have you build a website yourself?
[22:35] <Daskreech> yes
[22:35] <james147> samuel: why do you ask?
[22:35] <Daskreech> have to run
[22:35] <samuel> i wonder how many webbuilders follow the W3C rules :)
[22:36] <james147> samuel: people dont follow their rules?
[22:37] <samuel> not as in valid html no
[22:37] <Dewitts> well I had to figure out what it was telling me but I have turned on some powersaving modes for hd audio, wifi and some other things
[22:37] <Dewitts> will have to give it another test run at some point and find out, thanks James :)
[22:38] <Alonea> ok, so the app gpointing devices has palm settings. do I need to somehow disable the one that came with KDE or what?
[22:57] <samuel> i like the accessibility features of ubuntu a lot
[22:58] <samuel> ive succesfully got a brailledevice to work under orca
[22:59] <samuel> is it possible to autostart brltty?
[23:02] <samuel> does anyone know??
[23:21] <Aison> evening
[23:22] <Aison> I wounder why my kde is so laggy :(  i'm using an amd phenom II and geforce 8800gts. But when some application windows are opened, everything is very laggy. But the CPU usage is still very low
[23:25] <Aison> brb
[23:46] <Pendawg> Hello all