[00:00] <BUGabundo> /var/snapshots$ sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot / ./20110312
[00:00] <BUGabundo> gotta love #BTRFS
[00:00] <UndiFineD> hey Omega
[00:06] <weird0{}> is that a flash drive filesystem ?
[00:10] <weird0{}> i notice there are no propietary ati drivers through hardware manager.  is there another way ?
[00:11] <BUGabundo> /var/snapshots$ sudo rsync -avhP ./20110312/ /media/2TB/20110312/laptop/
[00:11] <BUGabundo> this is gonna take a while
[00:11] <BUGabundo> I wonder if I can mount an external drive and create a snapshot directly on it
[00:11] <BUGabundo> considering both drives are BTRFS
[00:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, wondered what's your take on this whole canonical vs. gnome crapstorm that's happened in the past few days?
[00:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no opinion formed yet.... been busy with Life
[00:27] <BUGabundo> and much more worried with joaopinto POV expressed on getdeb ML
[00:27] <bjsnider> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654
[00:27] <bjsnider> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/03/collaborations-demise.html
[00:28] <bjsnider> both sides have been publicly throwing bombs at each other since thursday
[00:28] <Daekdroom> POV?
[00:28] <bjsnider> point of view
[00:34] <BUGabundo> back
[00:34] <BUGabundo> yeah I've read both posts bjsnider
[00:35] <BUGabundo> and knowing personally aseigo and what he thinks of gnome.....
[00:35] <bjsnider> the comments on both posts are actually more important than the posts themselves
[00:36] <bjsnider> what about what the gnome guys think of aseigo, and kde?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> [  938.034694]     fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 644841)
[00:46] <BUGabundo> this can't be good :\
[00:49] <dasen1> Hi guys, does anyone have  problem with running deluge in the latest natty code?
[00:59] <ikt> heya, does anyone know how to resize dash?
[01:01] <Daekdroom> ikt, you can make it fullscreen or use the size it comes as, as far as I know
[01:03] <ikt> Daekdroom, so if it's full screen, how do I un-full screen it :s
[01:03] <Daekdroom> ikt, I don't know how. It doesn't seem possible.
[01:08] <ikt> hrmm
[01:10] <danyR> ikt: you can use dconf-editor, found in the package dconf-tools
[01:14] <dasen1> does anyone here use deluge?
[01:14] <ikt> dasen1, yep
[01:14] <ikt> danyR, thanks :)
[01:14] <dasen1> ikt: do you have any  problem running it under natty?
[01:15] <ikt> dasen1, what type of problems?
[01:15] <danyR> ikt: you need to change the form-factor under desktop/unity/ :)
[01:16] <dasen1> ikt I get a segmentation fault, the version is 1.3.1-1ubuntu1
[01:17] <danyR> dasen1: just for curiosity, try running it like this: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 deluge
[01:17] <dasen1> it worked!!!
[01:18] <dasen1> what was the problem, and what does that command do?
[01:18] <danyR> dasen1: it's a known bug, currently in progress. affects other apps, like software-center
[01:18] <danyR> dasen1: I don't have the bug report here, but it's not on your side, it'll be fixed by an update. it's pretty dark and deep linux stuff :)
[01:19] <dasen1> ok
[01:19] <dasen1> thanks a lot!
[01:19] <danyR> dasen1: got the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/259219
[01:22] <dasen1> do you think this bug will be resolved by the time natty gets out?
[01:23] <danyR> dasen1: Absolutely :)
[01:23] <danyR> this is clearly a release-blocker bug: it would be impossible for natty to be shipped with this bug
[01:24] <dasen1> ok, cool
[01:24] <dasen1> :)
[01:24] <dasen1> thanks again guys
[01:41] <BUGabundo> man
[01:41] <BUGabundo> btrfs IS NOT stable....
[01:41] <BUGabundo> at least not on this kind of workload
[01:41] <BUGabundo> 2nd kernel panic of the night
[01:42] <penguin42> give it 3 or 4 years
[01:42]  * penguin42 pats his ext[34]
[01:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: please do btrfs subvolume snapshot <source> [<dest>/]<name> on ExtFS :P
[01:46] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I think I can just about do it with an lvm snapshot?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> not as fast
[01:46] <BUGabundo> this is very low level
[01:58] <arand> partman failed to load the partitioning step when running the alternate CD, has anyone been able to install on a system with an already present LVM configuration, or is LVM the crux here?
[01:59] <arand> Also, still no LVM support in ubiquity?
[02:03] <penguin42> arand: Are the lvm tools there - i.e. if you vgdisplay or the like does it show?
[02:05] <arand> penguin42: Yea, well the syslog shows that partman detects the lvm setup seemingly ok
[02:06] <arand> penguin42: I posted the bug link in -bugs and the logs are attached to it... I don't see what's going wrong though..
[02:06] <penguin42> arand: I knowthere is a bug (bug I thought it was for the non-alternate) for the install failing if there were existing unrecognised partitions - but I don't know if it's related
[02:07] <arand> I wonder if the unassociated pv messes with things..., that's next on my list to check if nothing else pops out
[02:09] <penguin42> arand: I'd bring the volume groups up by hand - I think there is a vgchange -a that needs doing somewhere along the line, and then see what happens
[02:10] <Fluttershy> does anyone know what might be causing the date/time editor to not be updating to the new one in a3?
[02:54] <josh1> I am trying 11.04 and I am trying to install it, but the install is taking like 2hrs, this is the xubuntu version, any idea why? oh this is alpha 3
[02:59] <josh1> how long are installs taking you guys?
[03:04] <josh1> has anybody have problems installing alpha 3
[03:06] <Fluttershy> it took me about 1.5 hours to updgrade from Maverick
[03:07] <josh1> Mine has been running for atleast 2 hrs and it is a fresh install off of a flash drive
[03:07] <Fluttershy> I don't think xubuntu is supported here, though
[03:07] <josh1> hmm, there isn't a support channel for natty xubuntu?
[03:07] <josh1> I tried xubuntu+1, nothing there
[03:08] <Daekdroom> I believe this is the channel
[03:08] <Fluttershy> I wouldn't know, sorry; what about regular #xubuntu?
[03:09] <Daekdroom> Definitely not there
[03:09] <josh1> nobody is talking there, I can't get anybody to answer questions about regular xubuntu there either
[03:10] <josh1> I would install the ubuntu version of natty, but I have had better luck running xfce on my laptops
[03:10] <Fluttershy> xubuntu is pretty small-scale compared to ubuntu/kubuntu, especially since there's competition in lubuntu
[03:10] <josh1> gnome and unity are too much for my laptops to handle
[03:11] <Fluttershy> how old are they? I have Ubuntu Natty running on my netbook just fine
[03:11] <josh1> lubuntu is ok, but I have never felt that it was a good fit, not exactly polished, xubuntu seemed better
[03:12] <Daekdroom> Xubuntu is no longer known for being light.
[03:12] <josh1> p4 with 512 ram (old one), new one is a netbook (cr-48 from google)
[03:12] <Daekdroom> It's not as heavy as ubuntu or kubuntu, sure.
[03:12] <josh1> actually it is pretty light here, runs much better on the p4 laptop
[03:13] <josh1> I can get it down to 100mb of ram or less  at boot by just turning off some startup apps
[03:17] <josh1> is there any benefit to using the 64bit version if I have less than 3 gigs of ram?
[03:18] <Fluttershy> I'm of the opinion 64bit versions are rarely beneficial
[03:19] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[03:19] <Daekdroom> Unless you like enconding videos, compiling etc
[03:21] <josh1> I have x64 of 8.04 on my desktop (4 gigs of ram) but I didn't know if I would benefit on my laptop
[04:15] <EvilPhoenix> where can i get a copy of the alpha (for testing purposes on a non-production machine)?
[04:16] <rww> EvilPhoenix: the links are on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 , which you probably also want to read.
[04:44] <coz_>  hey guys
[04:56] <espen77> are there any themes with transparent top for the windows?
[05:14] <Blue1> will the new release of ubuntu (11.04) support gnome 3 or no?
[06:05] <edgy_> Hi, my ubuntu/gnome windows doesn't have the border in top where I can move the window and close it! It seems related to my home config file. how can I reset this to default?
[06:34] <visual1ce> hi
[06:36] <visual1ce> my gaming system is sitting doing nothing... i'd like to run the natty live cd - is there a script or something that runs programmes/tasks repetitively and if/when an error occurs automatically sends a report to canonical?
[06:36] <visual1ce> i wonder if it will run raid ICH10r
[06:39] <head_victim> visual1ce: I don't think I installed it so it should be default, in the System Menu there is a "System Testing" program that does some tests and offers to send them back to the developers if that's what you mean
[06:39] <visual1ce> thx
[07:28] <throughnothing> anyone here running natty on a macbook?
[07:54] <arand> Has anyone here successfully been able to launch partman (partitioning step of d-i) on a already-LVM system past alpha3? I am not and want to figure out if it's due to the LVM or something else...?
[08:16] <zzillezz> no lvm here arand, sorry
[08:26] <magn3ts> It might make sense to include instructions on enabling internet time...
[08:26] <magn3ts> ... or better yet jsut prompting to install support like hte Share settings does for Samba...
[08:30] <magn3ts> I just look foward to nautilus being replaced.
[12:00] <stojabreak> New X.org is in Synaptic ?
[12:08] <coz_> hey all
[13:18] <stiannes> Is anyone else having trouble installing vim on amd64?
[13:20] <yofel> works fine here
[13:20] <stiannes> K
[13:21] <stiannes> I'm trying to translate the error-message from my native language, but it makes no sense
[13:21] <stiannes> Can you change the language of aptitude without changing the system language?
[13:22] <arand> I don't know if you can run a program with LOCALE= first ..
[13:28] <stiannes> arand: I can set the locale settings manually for a terminal session. That fixed it ;)
[13:28] <stiannes> vim : Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1ubuntu3) but 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1ubuntu4 is to be installed
[13:29] <stiannes> Is there a quick-fix for wrong deps?
[13:30] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:30] <arand> That sounds like some parts of vim have been published but others not, dunno if you can specify to install the older version
[13:30] <zniavre> im right now using natty + nouveau driver + unity-2d with compiz , im wondering why i can't use unity (3d) ?
[13:32] <Crashbit> zniavre: your natty is updated ?
[13:32] <arand> stiannes: hmm, was published 5 days ago, so doubting my suggested reason.
[13:35] <arand> stiannes: And looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/vim_7.3.035%2Bhg%7E8fdc12103333-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb it seems to depend on ..4, so I don't know what's going on in your case
[13:36] <robin0800> zniavre, don't think unity 2d uses compiz?
[13:39] <weld> zniavre: I had to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental to get unity running with nouveau, but i had many freezes
[13:41] <stiannes> arand: For some reason, my vim package, using "apt-cache show vim", is showing lubuntu3, not 4.
[13:42] <arand> stiannes: might be a muckup in lubuntu
[13:45] <stiannes> arand: But why isn't my system getting version 4 if it's released 5 days ago?
[13:49] <zniavre> robin0800,  it was just a "test
[13:49] <zniavre> weld,  i did that too but unity does not want to start, do i need to uninstall unity-2d ?
[13:50] <zniavre> when unity (3d) seems to start the desktop is empty (no launcher , no panel, only the terminal.desktop i put into the desktop)
[13:51] <weld> zniavre: can you open the terminal from there and run unity?
[13:51] <weld> i didn't have unity-2d installed, but i think it shouldn't matter
[13:52] <zniavre> weld,  yes i can open it but it's unusable i can't type in it
[13:53] <weld> zniavre: you can switch to a tty? then you can do 'DISPLAY=:0  unity' and see what it says
[13:53] <zniavre> let me try it bbsoon
[13:57] <arminmarth> Hi there - I recently updated to 11.04 and the time applet has disappeared in Unity... anybody have any ideas?
[13:58] <ikt> reformat reinstall
[13:58] <Daekdroom> ikt, >.>
[13:58] <arminmarth> i.e. in the top notification area, there's no time clock displayed
[13:59] <zniavre> it freeze the computer :o(
[13:59] <zniavre> it does a kind of restarting of unity and it freeze
[13:59] <ikt> arminmarth,  is indicator-datetime installed?
[14:00] <weld> zniavre: i struggled with that problem too, so i installed the nvidia driver again for now
[14:00] <zniavre> it works?
[14:00] <weld> yes
[14:00] <zniavre> the newest one for recent hardware ?
[14:01] <arminmarth> no it's not -- i'll install it now?
[14:01] <weld> zniavre: you can use jockey-text to install it from terminal
[14:02] <weld> for me it shows only the nvidia driver at the moment
[14:02] <zniavre> ok
[14:03] <zniavre> i should install it first
[14:05] <weld> the big problem with the nvidia driver for me is that i can't use ttys because they are completely off-screen, just the first line or so is showing at the bottom
[14:06] <zniavre> is nt posible to setup the tty resolution ?
[14:06] <weld> zniavre: did you have the nvidia driver installed before on that pc?
[14:06] <zniavre> yes
[14:06] <zniavre> 173.14.28
[14:06] <arminmarth> OK ikt, I've installed indicator-datetime ; stupid question, but how do I configure it?
[14:07] <weld> you might check if the nouveau module is blacklisted still from the nvidia driver
[14:07] <zniavre> doncf-editor no for datetime-indicator
[14:07] <zniavre> ?
[14:07] <weld> look in /etc/modprobe.d/ if there's a file with nvidia.. blacklist nouveau or smth
[14:07] <weld> a file named like that, i mean
[14:09] <zniavre> there is not
[14:09] <zniavre> no luck with unity :o(
[14:11] <weld> zniavre: you should especially check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver is actually used
[14:11] <zniavre> nouveau is used
[14:12] <weld> i havent tried nouveau since a few weeks now, so I can't say if it works for me
[14:13] <edgy> Hi, I cannot start gnucash from my kde but can do this from gnome, any hint, how to track this problem?
[14:13] <weld> it used to, when i last tried, but with freezes
[14:13] <ikt> arminmarth, not sure sorry, i'll check when i get back
[14:16] <arminmarth> ikt: thanks, I've installed indicator-datetime and i've launched indicator-datetime-preferences and checked "Show a clock in the menu bar" but still nothing -- might need to log out and back in
[14:21] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:27] <penguin42> hey
[15:14] <edgy> what's the situation of nvidia card now, I am getting black lines or strips in the menus, shall I install from jockey?
[15:14] <Bauldrick> wifi - broadcom bcm4312 just stopped working after upgrade.. i read about reverting to B43 driver, is that the only way?
[15:15] <arand> edgy: It seems to work very well for me just now, 8600gt.
[15:31] <edgy> arand: nice, I was new to nvidia, so just jockey and would install, what if something goes wrong, how can I go back? which package to remove?
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> my panels keep disappearing on restart, tips?
[16:48] <alex_mayorga> this is on regular desk, not unity
[17:03] <pentester> any of you try natty yet?
[17:04] <penguin42> yeh, that's why we're here
[17:04] <pentester> how are you liking it, im not not a fan at the moment
[17:04] <penguin42> a bit flaky for me
[17:05] <pentester> its almost a, how can we make it look just like apple's os
[17:08] <Blue1> will the new version have support for gnome 3, or are the full steaming unity?
[17:08] <penguin42> yeh, although I think some of the reason is to make it work with touch displays which I have some sympathy with, and Unity is a LOT better than it was a month ago - I just think it needs that same order of improvement again
[17:08] <Daekdroom> Blue1, Unity doesn't replace GNOME, and Ubuntu 11.04 is shipping GNOME 2.32 anyway
[17:09] <Blue1> Daekdroom: it is my understanding they will replace gnome with unity
[17:09] <Daekdroom> Blue1, nope
[17:09] <Daekdroom> Blue1, they're going to use Unity instead of Gnome shell, which is part of Gnome.
[17:10] <Blue1> Daekdroom: ahh good == there is been a lot of flak about gnome vs ubuntu in slashdot recently
[17:10] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Isn't the problem the Gnome 3 transition?
[17:10] <Daekdroom> penguin42, it's a tough transition, indeed, but I think they'd use Unity nevertheless
[17:10] <Blue1> i found unity to be pretty pathetic, but then that's just one guys opinion
[17:11] <Daekdroom> I'm used to it, but I might migrate to Gnome shell because it looks neater.
[17:11] <Blue1> Daekdroom: i have debian in a vbox atm, looking at that
[17:12] <Blue1> let me scroll to the top and see when the beta is out
[17:13] <Blue1> end of march beta 1 will be released
[17:13] <pentester> im running 11.04 in vm at the moment and honestly i hate the new top panel. seems like there trying to condense things and add more, what seems unneeded
[17:14] <penguin42> pentester: The actual moving the menus into there seems actually a good idea - gets me a lot more screen space back; but it's quite touchy
[17:14] <Blue1> pentester: are you able to customise the look of unity at all?  I couldn't change am/pm, background pics, etc - no max/min -- and no multi-tasking
[17:14] <Daekdroom> penguin42, it's not really necessary in big monitors
[17:15] <Daekdroom> and if you have a non-maximized window close to the bottom, it stays too far.
[17:15] <marenostrum> Hello. Lucid here. Is there anybody who uses Firefox 4.0 RC (downloaded from Firefox sites) or Firefox (Minefield) 4.0b13pre from ppa? With those versions I can't view videos from Youtube site. Flash videos from some other sites are viewed. My flash player version: adobe-flashplugin 10.2.152.270lucid1 .
[17:15] <Daekdroom> marenostrum, Lucid support is in #ubuntu
[17:16] <Blue1> ff 64 bit continues to crash my system in 10.10  - but worked flawlessly in 10.04
[17:16] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh, but it works well on this <--- machine which is a laptop and I have 3 separate IRC windows and a terminal open
[17:16] <Daekdroom> I have a LCD 22" in 1080p =/
[17:16] <marenostrum> Daekdroom, I'm asking because its related with Firefox 4.0 which will be in the next release. I just want to know if this is a bug from Mozilla side or not.
[17:16] <Daekdroom> marenostrum, nothing wrong with Flash in here
[17:17] <marenostrum> Daekdroom, Thanks. I got it.
[17:17]  * yofel is getting flash64 crashes with minefield, not that frequently though
[17:18] <Daekdroom> za
[17:18] <nit-wit> marenostrum, yes minefield
[17:18] <Blue1> marenostrum: latest flash here:  http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html
[17:18] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh this ---> machine has the 24" 1080p monitor, that <--- machine is the laptop :-)
[17:19] <marenostrum> Blue1, thank you.
[17:19] <Blue1> marenostrum: welcome
[17:20] <marenostrum> nit-wit, can you view Youtube videos with no problem?
[17:21] <nit-wit> marenostrum, yeah I missed the lucid i'm on Maverick, did you install the restricted extras
[17:21]  * penguin42 can watch flash except not fullscreen (on my radeon) - I've got a reliable kernel panic I can trigger by full screen video plus switching desktops
[17:22] <Daekdroom> every once in a while in my radeon I get kernel oopses because of a GPU lock up, but I'm using xorg-edgers
[17:22] <marenostrum> nit-wit, Anyway, if there's no problem and if its telated with me, that's not important. lets forget about it. Thanks a lot.
[17:22] <marenostrum> *related
[17:23] <nit-wit> there is a good flash checker FF plugin. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/flash-aid/  good luck
[17:23] <marenostrum> nit-wit, Thanks. I'll give it a try.
[17:47] <aroman> anyone know how I can trick ubiquity into showing it's panel?
[17:53] <thofke> I thought I'd give 11.04 a try and installed it on a USB-stick, but when I try the unity interface it just shows the desktop-background without menu etc... Compiz et al. is not crashing. Why can't I use unity? (On a side not: I tried to turn on compiz recently on 10.10 but it didn't function, I did not mind, but I know it worked on 9.10, I believe)
[17:53] <thofke> Moreover, when nothing crashes how am I supposed to file a bug-report?
[17:54] <Daekdroom> How long do you wait before you conclude that it's not showing up?
[17:54] <thofke> about 10 minutes
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Compiz/Unity is taking a hell lot long to start
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[17:54] <Daekdroom> Well, not that long
[17:54] <thofke> I had dinner in the meantime ;)
[17:55] <thofke> Checked in between
[17:56] <thofke> I tried alpha-3 as Live-USB also, and with that one compiz crashes but it says that it cannot apport due to low memory...
[17:57] <thofke> Can it be a hardware problem, as compiz is also not functioning in 10.10? Or is there somewehere a regression creeped in between 9.10 and now?
[18:00] <thofke> I must admit that this laptop is from I believe 2004...
[18:04] <Daekdroom> thofke, what's the videocard?
[18:04] <Daekdroom> I remember reports of problems with Intel i915
[18:05] <thofke> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
[18:05] <Daekdroom> Hm, it should be fine.
[18:08] <thofke> Right, I have seen a report on the net from a X300 owner with a functioning unity.
[19:50] <zniavre> im still stuck on unity2d + nouveau, unity regular session does not load fully
[19:51] <Daekdroom> zniavre, nouveau doesn't have 3D support.
[19:52] <zniavre> Daekdroom,  strangely i can use compiz and/or metacity composite but not unity (3d)
[19:52] <Daekdroom> zniavre, composite is 2D
[19:52] <zniavre> what compiz is?
[19:53] <zniavre> please*
[19:53] <Daekdroom> I believe both.
[19:53] <Daekdroom> But I'm not sure
[19:53] <zniavre> it's what i believe too
[20:28] <throughnothing> does natty ship with gtk3?
[20:29] <Daekdroom> throughnothing, not by default, but it's available in the repos
[20:29] <throughnothing> hmm, everytime i log in gnome-power-manager crashes, and if i run it manually i get this:
[20:30] <throughnothing> Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
[20:30] <throughnothing> i don't think I intentionally installed anything gtk3
[20:32] <throughnothing> Daekdroom, any ideas?
[20:32] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[20:32] <Daekdroom> Do you use any PPAs?
[20:33] <throughnothing> Actually, I had tried the gnome3 ppa to test gnome-shell, but it didnt work, and I tried to remove everything from that PPA, and now have it removed
[20:33] <throughnothing> but maybe it hosed some stuff
[20:33] <throughnothing> iiinteresting
[20:33] <throughnothing> so i did sudo aptitude search gtk3
[20:33] <bjsnider> use ppa-purge to remove it
[20:34] <throughnothing> bjsnider, i did that
[20:34] <throughnothing> so i think there was some lingering stuff from gnome3 though
[20:34] <throughnothing> i removed all the gtk3 stuff that was installed, which force-removed gnome-power-manager and ubuntu-desktop
[20:34] <throughnothing> then i re-installed ubuntu-desktop and gnome-power-manager
[20:34] <throughnothing> and now it seems to be running fine....
[20:35] <xAndromeda> lol
[20:38] <throughnothing> mayb not the best solution....hehe
[20:41] <throughnothing> bjsnider, ahh actually ppa-purge looks like what i need
[20:41] <throughnothing> i had just removed them from ubuntu-software-center, thought it was the same thing
[20:57] <george123> why i cant view unity DE in 11.04 64bit live cd?
[20:57] <arand> no accelerated video drivers?
[20:58] <george123> arand: what 's this?
[20:59] <george123> arand: I mean how do i activate them?
[20:59] <arand> george123: Make sure universe is enabled, and the use the additional hardware drivers application (jockey-gtk)
[21:00] <george123> arand: from hardware drivers?
[21:00] <yofel> actually, restriced needs to be enabled for them
[21:00] <yofel> *restricted
[21:01] <yofel> george123: what graphics card do you have?
[21:01] <george123> geforce 9400 gt
[21:01] <yofel> yep, that needs the nvidia drivers installed, I don't know if that will work on the live cd though
[21:03] <george123> yofel: So, do I have to install 11.04 alpha 3?
[21:03] <arand> The experimental nouveau might work better for a no-restart test, if they work that is
[21:04] <yofel> george123: try arands suggestion, if they don't work, you will have to install it to test it (virtualbox4 has 3D support I think too if you want to try it that way)
[21:04] <george123> ok
[21:14] <arand> george123: Also, persistent usb will let you instal drivers and reboot in to use them and test thusly.
[21:23] <zgr> Hello I'm using natty and have some troubles with indicator applet. Time to time volume control and keyboard layout icons disappears or behave weird, same thing with bottom gnome-panel and I'm constantly receiving messages that some program (usually aptdaemon and compiz) has crashed. Any way to fix that issues?
[21:41] <DanaG> hmm, anyone here try both KDE and Gnome on a tablet PC (that is, a real Wacom)?
[21:42] <DanaG> Last time I tried both, neither was quite as nice as Windows 7, to be honest.
[21:42] <DanaG> I know there's CellWriter for Gnome... is there a KDE native equivalent?
[21:42] <DanaG> I also found that the large size (in pixels) of Oxygen was helpful.
[22:39] <DanaG> argh, cdimage.ubuntu.com is being extremely slow.
[22:39] <DanaG> 122 kilobytes per second.
[23:03] <magn3ts> Natty's torent tracker's throwing a 400...
[23:55] <kklimonda> any idea if I can test gnome shell in virtualbox?