[00:00] /var/snapshots$ sudo btrfs subvolume snapshot / ./20110312 [00:00] gotta love #BTRFS [00:00] hey Omega [00:06] is that a flash drive filesystem ? [00:10] i notice there are no propietary ati drivers through hardware manager. is there another way ? [00:11] /var/snapshots$ sudo rsync -avhP ./20110312/ /media/2TB/20110312/laptop/ [00:11] this is gonna take a while [00:11] I wonder if I can mount an external drive and create a snapshot directly on it [00:11] considering both drives are BTRFS [00:26] BUGabundo, wondered what's your take on this whole canonical vs. gnome crapstorm that's happened in the past few days? [00:26] bjsnider: no opinion formed yet.... been busy with Life [00:27] and much more worried with joaopinto POV expressed on getdeb ML [00:27] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654 [00:27] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/03/collaborations-demise.html [00:28] both sides have been publicly throwing bombs at each other since thursday [00:28] POV? [00:28] point of view [00:34] back [00:34] yeah I've read both posts bjsnider [00:35] and knowing personally aseigo and what he thinks of gnome..... [00:35] the comments on both posts are actually more important than the posts themselves [00:36] what about what the gnome guys think of aseigo, and kde? [00:46] [ 938.034694] fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF (i_pos 644841) [00:46] this can't be good :\ [00:49] Hi guys, does anyone have problem with running deluge in the latest natty code? [00:59] heya, does anyone know how to resize dash? [01:01] ikt, you can make it fullscreen or use the size it comes as, as far as I know [01:03] Daekdroom, so if it's full screen, how do I un-full screen it :s [01:03] ikt, I don't know how. It doesn't seem possible. [01:08] hrmm [01:10] ikt: you can use dconf-editor, found in the package dconf-tools [01:14] does anyone here use deluge? [01:14] dasen1, yep [01:14] danyR, thanks :) [01:14] ikt: do you have any problem running it under natty? [01:15] dasen1, what type of problems? [01:15] ikt: you need to change the form-factor under desktop/unity/ :) [01:16] ikt I get a segmentation fault, the version is 1.3.1-1ubuntu1 [01:17] dasen1: just for curiosity, try running it like this: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 deluge [01:17] it worked!!! [01:18] what was the problem, and what does that command do? [01:18] dasen1: it's a known bug, currently in progress. affects other apps, like software-center [01:18] dasen1: I don't have the bug report here, but it's not on your side, it'll be fixed by an update. it's pretty dark and deep linux stuff :) [01:19] ok [01:19] thanks a lot! [01:19] dasen1: got the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/259219 [01:20] Ubuntu bug 259219 in mesa (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken TLS support in libGL.so" [High,In progress] [01:22] do you think this bug will be resolved by the time natty gets out? [01:23] dasen1: Absolutely :) [01:23] this is clearly a release-blocker bug: it would be impossible for natty to be shipped with this bug [01:24] ok, cool [01:24] :) [01:24] thanks again guys [01:41] man [01:41] btrfs IS NOT stable.... [01:41] at least not on this kind of workload [01:41] 2nd kernel panic of the night [01:42] give it 3 or 4 years [01:42] * penguin42 pats his ext[34] [01:43] penguin42: please do btrfs subvolume snapshot [/] on ExtFS :P [01:46] BUGabundo: I think I can just about do it with an lvm snapshot? [01:46] not as fast [01:46] this is very low level [01:58] partman failed to load the partitioning step when running the alternate CD, has anyone been able to install on a system with an already present LVM configuration, or is LVM the crux here? [01:59] Also, still no LVM support in ubiquity? [02:03] arand: Are the lvm tools there - i.e. if you vgdisplay or the like does it show? [02:05] penguin42: Yea, well the syslog shows that partman detects the lvm setup seemingly ok [02:06] penguin42: I posted the bug link in -bugs and the logs are attached to it... I don't see what's going wrong though.. [02:06] arand: I knowthere is a bug (bug I thought it was for the non-alternate) for the install failing if there were existing unrecognised partitions - but I don't know if it's related [02:07] I wonder if the unassociated pv messes with things..., that's next on my list to check if nothing else pops out [02:09] arand: I'd bring the volume groups up by hand - I think there is a vgchange -a that needs doing somewhere along the line, and then see what happens [02:10] does anyone know what might be causing the date/time editor to not be updating to the new one in a3? [02:54] I am trying 11.04 and I am trying to install it, but the install is taking like 2hrs, this is the xubuntu version, any idea why? oh this is alpha 3 [02:59] how long are installs taking you guys? [03:04] has anybody have problems installing alpha 3 [03:06] it took me about 1.5 hours to updgrade from Maverick [03:07] Mine has been running for atleast 2 hrs and it is a fresh install off of a flash drive [03:07] I don't think xubuntu is supported here, though [03:07] hmm, there isn't a support channel for natty xubuntu? [03:07] I tried xubuntu+1, nothing there [03:08] I believe this is the channel [03:08] I wouldn't know, sorry; what about regular #xubuntu? [03:09] Definitely not there [03:09] nobody is talking there, I can't get anybody to answer questions about regular xubuntu there either [03:10] I would install the ubuntu version of natty, but I have had better luck running xfce on my laptops [03:10] xubuntu is pretty small-scale compared to ubuntu/kubuntu, especially since there's competition in lubuntu [03:10] gnome and unity are too much for my laptops to handle [03:11] how old are they? I have Ubuntu Natty running on my netbook just fine [03:11] lubuntu is ok, but I have never felt that it was a good fit, not exactly polished, xubuntu seemed better [03:12] Xubuntu is no longer known for being light. [03:12] p4 with 512 ram (old one), new one is a netbook (cr-48 from google) [03:12] It's not as heavy as ubuntu or kubuntu, sure. [03:12] actually it is pretty light here, runs much better on the p4 laptop [03:13] I can get it down to 100mb of ram or less at boot by just turning off some startup apps [03:17] is there any benefit to using the 64bit version if I have less than 3 gigs of ram? [03:18] I'm of the opinion 64bit versions are rarely beneficial [03:19] Nope. [03:19] Unless you like enconding videos, compiling etc [03:21] I have x64 of 8.04 on my desktop (4 gigs of ram) but I didn't know if I would benefit on my laptop [04:15] where can i get a copy of the alpha (for testing purposes on a non-production machine)? [04:16] EvilPhoenix: the links are on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3 , which you probably also want to read. [04:44] hey guys [04:56] are there any themes with transparent top for the windows? [05:14] will the new release of ubuntu (11.04) support gnome 3 or no? === Dink is now known as Dink[a] [06:05] Hi, my ubuntu/gnome windows doesn't have the border in top where I can move the window and close it! It seems related to my home config file. how can I reset this to default? [06:34] hi [06:36] my gaming system is sitting doing nothing... i'd like to run the natty live cd - is there a script or something that runs programmes/tasks repetitively and if/when an error occurs automatically sends a report to canonical? [06:36] i wonder if it will run raid ICH10r [06:39] visual1ce: I don't think I installed it so it should be default, in the System Menu there is a "System Testing" program that does some tests and offers to send them back to the developers if that's what you mean [06:39] thx [07:28] anyone here running natty on a macbook? [07:54] Has anyone here successfully been able to launch partman (partitioning step of d-i) on a already-LVM system past alpha3? I am not and want to figure out if it's due to the LVM or something else...? [08:16] no lvm here arand, sorry [08:26] It might make sense to include instructions on enabling internet time... [08:26] ... or better yet jsut prompting to install support like hte Share settings does for Samba... [08:30] I just look foward to nautilus being replaced. === nperry_ is now known as nperry === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === fisted_ is now known as fisted [12:00] New X.org is in Synaptic ? === enli1 is now known as enli [12:08] hey all [13:18] Is anyone else having trouble installing vim on amd64? [13:20] works fine here [13:20] K [13:21] I'm trying to translate the error-message from my native language, but it makes no sense [13:21] Can you change the language of aptitude without changing the system language? [13:22] I don't know if you can run a program with LOCALE= first .. [13:28] arand: I can set the locale settings manually for a terminal session. That fixed it ;) [13:28] vim : Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1ubuntu3) but 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1ubuntu4 is to be installed [13:29] Is there a quick-fix for wrong deps? [13:30] good afternoon [13:30] That sounds like some parts of vim have been published but others not, dunno if you can specify to install the older version === enli1 is now known as enli [13:30] im right now using natty + nouveau driver + unity-2d with compiz , im wondering why i can't use unity (3d) ? [13:32] zniavre: your natty is updated ? [13:32] stiannes: hmm, was published 5 days ago, so doubting my suggested reason. [13:35] stiannes: And looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/vim_7.3.035%2Bhg%7E8fdc12103333-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb it seems to depend on ..4, so I don't know what's going on in your case [13:36] zniavre, don't think unity 2d uses compiz? [13:39] zniavre: I had to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental to get unity running with nouveau, but i had many freezes [13:41] arand: For some reason, my vim package, using "apt-cache show vim", is showing lubuntu3, not 4. [13:42] stiannes: might be a muckup in lubuntu [13:45] arand: But why isn't my system getting version 4 if it's released 5 days ago? [13:49] robin0800, it was just a "test [13:49] weld, i did that too but unity does not want to start, do i need to uninstall unity-2d ? [13:50] when unity (3d) seems to start the desktop is empty (no launcher , no panel, only the terminal.desktop i put into the desktop) [13:51] zniavre: can you open the terminal from there and run unity? [13:51] i didn't have unity-2d installed, but i think it shouldn't matter [13:52] weld, yes i can open it but it's unusable i can't type in it [13:53] zniavre: you can switch to a tty? then you can do 'DISPLAY=:0 unity' and see what it says [13:53] let me try it bbsoon [13:57] Hi there - I recently updated to 11.04 and the time applet has disappeared in Unity... anybody have any ideas? [13:58] reformat reinstall [13:58] ikt, >.> [13:58] i.e. in the top notification area, there's no time clock displayed [13:59] it freeze the computer :o( [13:59] it does a kind of restarting of unity and it freeze [13:59] arminmarth, is indicator-datetime installed? [14:00] zniavre: i struggled with that problem too, so i installed the nvidia driver again for now [14:00] it works? [14:00] yes [14:00] the newest one for recent hardware ? [14:01] no it's not -- i'll install it now? [14:01] zniavre: you can use jockey-text to install it from terminal [14:02] for me it shows only the nvidia driver at the moment [14:02] ok [14:03] i should install it first [14:05] the big problem with the nvidia driver for me is that i can't use ttys because they are completely off-screen, just the first line or so is showing at the bottom [14:06] is nt posible to setup the tty resolution ? [14:06] zniavre: did you have the nvidia driver installed before on that pc? [14:06] yes [14:06] 173.14.28 [14:06] OK ikt, I've installed indicator-datetime ; stupid question, but how do I configure it? [14:07] you might check if the nouveau module is blacklisted still from the nvidia driver [14:07] doncf-editor no for datetime-indicator [14:07] ? [14:07] look in /etc/modprobe.d/ if there's a file with nvidia.. blacklist nouveau or smth [14:07] a file named like that, i mean [14:09] there is not [14:09] no luck with unity :o( [14:11] zniavre: you should especially check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver is actually used [14:11] nouveau is used [14:12] i havent tried nouveau since a few weeks now, so I can't say if it works for me [14:13] Hi, I cannot start gnucash from my kde but can do this from gnome, any hint, how to track this problem? [14:13] it used to, when i last tried, but with freezes [14:13] arminmarth, not sure sorry, i'll check when i get back [14:16] ikt: thanks, I've installed indicator-datetime and i've launched indicator-datetime-preferences and checked "Show a clock in the menu bar" but still nothing -- might need to log out and back in [14:21] howdy [14:27] hey === Dink[a] is now known as Dink === stiannes is now known as claim === claim is now known as tafsen [15:14] what's the situation of nvidia card now, I am getting black lines or strips in the menus, shall I install from jockey? [15:14] wifi - broadcom bcm4312 just stopped working after upgrade.. i read about reverting to B43 driver, is that the only way? [15:15] edgy: It seems to work very well for me just now, 8600gt. [15:31] arand: nice, I was new to nvidia, so just jockey and would install, what if something goes wrong, how can I go back? which package to remove? === xXAndromedaXx is now known as xAndromeda [16:48] my panels keep disappearing on restart, tips? [16:48] this is on regular desk, not unity === xXAndromedaXx is now known as eatwithspoons [17:03] any of you try natty yet? [17:04] yeh, that's why we're here [17:04] how are you liking it, im not not a fan at the moment [17:04] a bit flaky for me [17:05] its almost a, how can we make it look just like apple's os [17:08] will the new version have support for gnome 3, or are the full steaming unity? [17:08] yeh, although I think some of the reason is to make it work with touch displays which I have some sympathy with, and Unity is a LOT better than it was a month ago - I just think it needs that same order of improvement again [17:08] Blue1, Unity doesn't replace GNOME, and Ubuntu 11.04 is shipping GNOME 2.32 anyway [17:09] Daekdroom: it is my understanding they will replace gnome with unity [17:09] Blue1, nope [17:09] Blue1, they're going to use Unity instead of Gnome shell, which is part of Gnome. [17:10] Daekdroom: ahh good == there is been a lot of flak about gnome vs ubuntu in slashdot recently [17:10] Daekdroom: Isn't the problem the Gnome 3 transition? [17:10] penguin42, it's a tough transition, indeed, but I think they'd use Unity nevertheless [17:10] i found unity to be pretty pathetic, but then that's just one guys opinion [17:11] I'm used to it, but I might migrate to Gnome shell because it looks neater. [17:11] Daekdroom: i have debian in a vbox atm, looking at that [17:12] let me scroll to the top and see when the beta is out [17:13] end of march beta 1 will be released [17:13] im running 11.04 in vm at the moment and honestly i hate the new top panel. seems like there trying to condense things and add more, what seems unneeded [17:14] pentester: The actual moving the menus into there seems actually a good idea - gets me a lot more screen space back; but it's quite touchy [17:14] pentester: are you able to customise the look of unity at all? I couldn't change am/pm, background pics, etc - no max/min -- and no multi-tasking [17:14] penguin42, it's not really necessary in big monitors [17:15] and if you have a non-maximized window close to the bottom, it stays too far. [17:15] Hello. Lucid here. Is there anybody who uses Firefox 4.0 RC (downloaded from Firefox sites) or Firefox (Minefield) 4.0b13pre from ppa? With those versions I can't view videos from Youtube site. Flash videos from some other sites are viewed. My flash player version: adobe-flashplugin 10.2.152.270lucid1 . [17:15] marenostrum, Lucid support is in #ubuntu [17:16] ff 64 bit continues to crash my system in 10.10 - but worked flawlessly in 10.04 [17:16] Daekdroom: Yeh, but it works well on this <--- machine which is a laptop and I have 3 separate IRC windows and a terminal open [17:16] I have a LCD 22" in 1080p =/ [17:16] Daekdroom, I'm asking because its related with Firefox 4.0 which will be in the next release. I just want to know if this is a bug from Mozilla side or not. [17:16] marenostrum, nothing wrong with Flash in here [17:17] Daekdroom, Thanks. I got it. [17:17] * yofel is getting flash64 crashes with minefield, not that frequently though [17:18] za [17:18] marenostrum, yes minefield [17:18] marenostrum: latest flash here: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html [17:18] Daekdroom: Yeh this ---> machine has the 24" 1080p monitor, that <--- machine is the laptop :-) [17:19] Blue1, thank you. [17:19] marenostrum: welcome [17:20] nit-wit, can you view Youtube videos with no problem? [17:21] marenostrum, yeah I missed the lucid i'm on Maverick, did you install the restricted extras [17:21] * penguin42 can watch flash except not fullscreen (on my radeon) - I've got a reliable kernel panic I can trigger by full screen video plus switching desktops [17:22] every once in a while in my radeon I get kernel oopses because of a GPU lock up, but I'm using xorg-edgers [17:22] nit-wit, Anyway, if there's no problem and if its telated with me, that's not important. lets forget about it. Thanks a lot. [17:22] *related [17:23] there is a good flash checker FF plugin. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/flash-aid/ good luck [17:23] nit-wit, Thanks. I'll give it a try. [17:47] anyone know how I can trick ubiquity into showing it's panel? [17:53] I thought I'd give 11.04 a try and installed it on a USB-stick, but when I try the unity interface it just shows the desktop-background without menu etc... Compiz et al. is not crashing. Why can't I use unity? (On a side not: I tried to turn on compiz recently on 10.10 but it didn't function, I did not mind, but I know it worked on 9.10, I believe) [17:53] Moreover, when nothing crashes how am I supposed to file a bug-report? [17:54] How long do you wait before you conclude that it's not showing up? [17:54] about 10 minutes [17:54] Compiz/Unity is taking a hell lot long to start [17:54] Oh. [17:54] Well, not that long [17:54] I had dinner in the meantime ;) [17:55] Checked in between [17:56] I tried alpha-3 as Live-USB also, and with that one compiz crashes but it says that it cannot apport due to low memory... [17:57] Can it be a hardware problem, as compiz is also not functioning in 10.10? Or is there somewehere a regression creeped in between 9.10 and now? [18:00] I must admit that this laptop is from I believe 2004... [18:04] thofke, what's the videocard? [18:04] I remember reports of problems with Intel i915 [18:05] VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] [18:05] Hm, it should be fine. [18:08] Right, I have seen a report on the net from a X300 owner with a functioning unity. === Dink is now known as Dink[a] [19:50] im still stuck on unity2d + nouveau, unity regular session does not load fully [19:51] zniavre, nouveau doesn't have 3D support. [19:52] Daekdroom, strangely i can use compiz and/or metacity composite but not unity (3d) [19:52] zniavre, composite is 2D [19:52] what compiz is? [19:53] please* [19:53] I believe both. [19:53] But I'm not sure [19:53] it's what i believe too [20:28] does natty ship with gtk3? [20:29] throughnothing, not by default, but it's available in the repos [20:29] hmm, everytime i log in gnome-power-manager crashes, and if i run it manually i get this: [20:30] Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported [20:30] i don't think I intentionally installed anything gtk3 [20:32] Daekdroom, any ideas? [20:32] Nope. [20:32] Do you use any PPAs? [20:33] Actually, I had tried the gnome3 ppa to test gnome-shell, but it didnt work, and I tried to remove everything from that PPA, and now have it removed [20:33] but maybe it hosed some stuff [20:33] iiinteresting [20:33] so i did sudo aptitude search gtk3 [20:33] use ppa-purge to remove it [20:34] bjsnider, i did that [20:34] so i think there was some lingering stuff from gnome3 though [20:34] i removed all the gtk3 stuff that was installed, which force-removed gnome-power-manager and ubuntu-desktop [20:34] then i re-installed ubuntu-desktop and gnome-power-manager [20:34] and now it seems to be running fine.... [20:35] lol [20:38] mayb not the best solution....hehe [20:41] bjsnider, ahh actually ppa-purge looks like what i need [20:41] i had just removed them from ubuntu-software-center, thought it was the same thing [20:57] why i cant view unity DE in 11.04 64bit live cd? [20:57] no accelerated video drivers? [20:58] arand: what 's this? [20:59] arand: I mean how do i activate them? [20:59] george123: Make sure universe is enabled, and the use the additional hardware drivers application (jockey-gtk) [21:00] arand: from hardware drivers? [21:00] actually, restriced needs to be enabled for them [21:00] *restricted [21:01] george123: what graphics card do you have? [21:01] geforce 9400 gt [21:01] yep, that needs the nvidia drivers installed, I don't know if that will work on the live cd though [21:03] yofel: So, do I have to install 11.04 alpha 3? [21:03] The experimental nouveau might work better for a no-restart test, if they work that is [21:04] george123: try arands suggestion, if they don't work, you will have to install it to test it (virtualbox4 has 3D support I think too if you want to try it that way) [21:04] ok [21:14] george123: Also, persistent usb will let you instal drivers and reboot in to use them and test thusly. [21:23] Hello I'm using natty and have some troubles with indicator applet. Time to time volume control and keyboard layout icons disappears or behave weird, same thing with bottom gnome-panel and I'm constantly receiving messages that some program (usually aptdaemon and compiz) has crashed. Any way to fix that issues? [21:41] hmm, anyone here try both KDE and Gnome on a tablet PC (that is, a real Wacom)? [21:42] Last time I tried both, neither was quite as nice as Windows 7, to be honest. [21:42] I know there's CellWriter for Gnome... is there a KDE native equivalent? [21:42] I also found that the large size (in pixels) of Oxygen was helpful. [22:39] argh, cdimage.ubuntu.com is being extremely slow. [22:39] 122 kilobytes per second. [23:03] Natty's torent tracker's throwing a 400... === tafsen is now known as Guest29076 === kklimonda_ is now known as kklimonda === Dink[a] is now known as Dink [23:55] any idea if I can test gnome shell in virtualbox?