=== topo is now known as Guest29151 [18:19] evening all [19:59] meeting in 2 minutes right? [19:59] Wow. [19:59] Hello [19:59] Long time no see [19:59] hello all [19:59] Hi [20:00] Hello, yea sorry real life has me very busy [20:00] how is everyone? [20:00] Alright I guess [20:00] * dutchie back too [20:00] hello dutchie [20:00] Hello dutchie [20:00] hey dutchie [20:01] Is Godbyk around? [20:01] pass [20:03] anyone here with a launchpad id of rutcast who is interested in quickshot? [20:03] I haven't [20:04] or anyone esle :D [20:04] etherpad tells you what browser people ar eusing if you hover over their name [20:05] well it did a minute ago [20:05] jenkins yes you use Chrome, interesting ... ;) [20:05] correct :) [20:07] How long should we wait? [20:08] 2 more mins [20:09] Does anybody know how the meeting bot thing works? [20:09] i don't :/ [20:09] type "#startmeeting" iirc [20:10] or with as space [20:11] Ok then [20:12] #start meeting [20:12] #startmeeting [20:12] Meeting started at 15:12. The chair is ChrisWoollard. [20:12] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [20:12] Okay then, i guess that is it [20:13] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-1 [20:13] LINK received: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-1 === jasono_ is now known as jasono [20:13] #topic Feedback on role advertisments [20:14] Hey, guys. Sorry I'm late. [20:14] Hello [20:14] its [topic] [20:14] [TOPIC] Feedback on role advertisments [20:14] hi Kevin [20:14] :) [20:14] ;) [20:14] [TOPIC] Feedback on role advertisments [20:14] New Topic: Feedback on role advertisments [20:14] hello godbyk [20:14] Cool. thanks [20:15] Godbyk. Have you reviewed the roles? [20:15] did we get any aplicats? [20:15] We did get some applicants, yes. [20:15] a handfull [20:15] Let me collect the emails and put them up on the web or paste them someplace. [20:15] One moment. [20:15] neat :D [20:15] hello all ツ [20:16] hello [20:16] hi [20:17] For those that didn't see. We have a page on ubuntu-manual.org/jobs now [20:20] We should really have prepared this in advance. [20:20] shall id do a quickshot update its a bit out of sink? [20:20] good [20:20] as far as the agenda is [20:21] maybe i should change the topic [20:21] then [20:21] [TOPIC] Quickshot update [20:21] New Topic: Quickshot update [20:22] It functions enough to create the screenshots for the next release, I could do with a list as I have yet to install latex [20:22] *list of screenshots [20:22] (Okay, I've pasted the emails and resumes that we've received so far to http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/.) [20:22] godbyk. We will come back to that. [20:23] I am trying to fix a bug with the contributor details but not managed yet as flan did a rewrite [20:23] ChrisWoollard: np. [20:23] I will get my head around it though. [20:23] we could do with some more people. Nothing much eles to say [20:24] where did the website get to? [20:24] jenkins: Is there any documentation on Quickshot? [20:24] no afraid not [20:25] jenkins, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org [20:25] daker_ how about the quickshot one [20:26] it's almost complete [20:26] nice :) [20:26] Okay. Maybe then we should collect a list of chapters and get volunteers to get a list of screenshots for that chapter? [20:26] to spread the load a little [20:26] I will install latex in the mean while [20:27] Jenkins: What exactly do you need screenshot wise? [20:27] the resolution we want the at, sicking with 1024x768? [20:28] yes. for now. [20:28] Hey, I just fall into this, but what did you mean by < jenkins> we could do with some more people. [20:28] a description of them and the aplication [20:28] Well I dont have much time so people willing to code python and create docs for quickshot would be great [20:28] Okay [20:29] So you need developers [20:29] yep, my python is basic at best [20:29] i have been known to poke at python from time to time [20:29] * dutchie downloads source code [20:30] sounds good. shall we move to another topic? [20:30] ls [20:30] I'll send out a list of chapters to the mailing list [20:30] looks like we can head back to jobs stuff now godbyk got the things online? [20:31] with the requirements and ask for voluteers to review what we need [20:31] [action] ChrisWoollard to send out to the mailing list screenshot requiremnts and ask for volunteers to review [20:31] ACTION received: ChrisWoollard to send out to the mailing list screenshot requiremnts and ask for volunteers to review [20:32] are there any cahnges from 10.04? [20:32] [topic] Feedback on jobs part 2 [20:32] New Topic: Feedback on jobs part 2 [20:33] jenkins: yes, installer, plus some app changes [20:33] I've pasted the text of the emails and the attached resumes/CVs here: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/ [20:33] We had two applicants for the project leader role and three applicants for the editor in chief role. [20:34] well i suppose the first thing is whether we leave applications open or not [20:34] godbyk: the advertisement has been done through the uk podacast ? [20:34] then how we choose between applicants [20:34] c7p: i believe so, yes [20:34] plus the planet [20:35] ChrisWoollard handled the advertising. We had an announcement on the UK podcast and also posted to Planet Ubuntu. [20:35] ChrisWoollard: Were there any other adverts? [20:35] ok thx [20:35] the mailing list [20:35] Ah, right. And the Ubuntu Manual mailing list. [20:36] I also believe I Tweeted it to #Ubuntu [20:37] Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! [20:37] @TheUbuntuManual didn't tweet it though [20:37] dutchie: Error: "TheUbuntuManual" is not a valid command. [20:37] cough [20:37] silly manualbot [20:37] dutchie: Yeah, I can't find the password for that account. I'll have to email Ben about that. [20:37] no. I think we were looking for the logins for that [20:38] [ACTION] Godbyk to e-mail Ben to get the logins to our Twitter account :) [20:38] ACTION received: Godbyk to e-mail Ben to get the logins to our Twitter account :) [20:38] I think I may have the login some where [20:38] if the jobs are still open to new applicants then maybe we should update the facebook about the advertisements and also send a mail to OMG!Ubuntu guys, probably to Ben [20:39] Any thoughts on the applicants [20:39] Action completed. :-) [20:39] :) [20:39] If we are going to leave it open then the webpage should be modified [20:39] to remove the date. [20:40] yes you are right [20:40] does that not imply we do not like any of the candiates that have appled so far? [20:41] no [20:41] We haven't heard any feedback yet [20:41] jenkins: Not necessarily. It'd be nice to have a larger pool of applicants, though. And we should probably have advertised it more widely. [20:41] the fact is that i didn't knew about the adv to promote it, maybe there are many other people out there that are also interested [20:41] sure, just putting a thought out there [20:42] We should change it so that people know it is community and not paid ;) [20:42] i think the more options we have the better for the project [20:42] agreed [20:43] It sounds like most people think we should extend the deadline. If so, what's the new proposed deadline? [20:43] another 2 weeks? [20:43] two weeks max [20:44] godbyk: can you adjust the dates on the webpage? [20:44] ChrisWoollard: Sure. [20:44] So the new deadline is Friday, 25 March? [20:45] [Action] Godbyk to update the Job Advertisment (+2 weeks) [20:45] ACTION received: Godbyk to update the Job Advertisment (+2 weeks) [20:45] yes [20:45] done [20:45] Can you also make it so it sounds less like it is paid. [20:46] Yeah, I'll put a note at the top. [20:46] Just a moment. [20:46] (Have to find the proper css class.) [20:46] Where should we send it? [20:46] Ben @ omgubuntu [20:47] maybe the Linux Outlaws podcast? [20:47] that was weird. got kicked out [20:48] any other marketing ideas? [20:48] at Ben, maybe post it to ubuntuforums and wherever everyone of us can [20:48] ChrisWoollard: How's the note at the top of http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs sound? [20:49] That should do it. :D [20:49] I tried to be as clear as possible. :) [20:49] It is probably so obvious that people won't see it [20:49] should we add also editors, writters to the job list ? Natty release is near [20:50] ChrisWoollard: haha [20:51] As we have Jenkins here, maybe he could review the quickshot job description [20:51] c7p: do you have the link? [20:51] hm just a moment [20:52] If we get some Quickshot developers on board, we'll need to be able to send them to jenkins or flan or someone to get them started. [20:52] jenkins: Will you be able to help new developers get up to speed? [20:52] I'll mail Ben and the Linux Outlaws people about the jobs [20:52] I can't explain the code very much faln did most/ all of it [20:52] oh no ! typewithme removed all pads ! [20:53] I can explain the theory and release syetem [20:53] [action] Chris Woollard to mail Ben and Linux outlaws for marketing [20:53] ACTION received: Chris Woollard to mail Ben and Linux outlaws for marketing [20:53] maybe they get aged out on that site [20:54] anything else or next topic [20:54] 3/12/2011 - Typewith.me experienced a database crash. We are currently working on restoring old pads to a seperate site, and will post a link if and when that data becomes available! [20:54] next topic [20:55] I haven't had a change to do anything with docbook yet. I'll take another stab at that this week. [20:55] s/change/chance/g [20:55] ok [20:55] np [20:55] new contributors? [20:55] anything for that? [20:56] [topic] New Contributors [20:56] New Topic: New Contributors [20:56] ? [20:56] that's relevant to the previous topic [20:57] we probably covered all that [20:57] next [20:57] yes [20:57] [topic] Docbook [20:57] New Topic: Docbook [20:57] [action] Godbyk to continue investigating [20:57] ACTION received: Godbyk to continue investigating [20:57] [topic] 11.04 writing [20:57] New Topic: 11.04 writing [20:58] Godbyk [20:58] Yes? [20:58] weren't you going to branch 10.10? [20:58] I can, yeah. [20:58] Are we effectively at a writing freeze there? (i.e., is it a good time to branch, or should I wait?) [20:58] at least then we can say to people that we can review and update the text [20:58] Or should we wait until we've made a decision re: docbook? [20:59] I don't know. [20:59] There was an item to the mailing list about collaborating more with the doc team [21:00] Yeah, it's still sitting in my inbox. I want to write Phil back. [21:00] I'm always up for collaboration. [21:00] Our last conversation just kind of petered out, I think. [21:01] Does anybody have views on branching now or waiting until maverick is complete? [21:01] Actually [21:02] Lets defer until next meeting. [21:02] Okay. [21:02] If we can get the screenshots going in the next 2 weeks, that might help us [21:02] I'll have a better idea as far as docbook goes by then. [21:02] yes [21:03] [action] Defer 11.04 branch until next meeting. Pending screenshot work and docbook review [21:03] ACTION received: Defer 11.04 branch until next meeting. Pending screenshot work and docbook review [21:03] [topic] Any Other Business [21:03] New Topic: Any Other Business [21:04] does anybody have anything? [21:04] Nothing from me. [21:04] i have [21:05] i said it to the previous meeting also [21:05] what is it going with translations ? maverick is available for translation [21:05] What was that? I forget [21:06] have you looked upon removing the option of translating it ? [21:06] Don't we have to wait for the writing freeze first [21:06] c7p: I haven't done anything with translations. Do you have permissions to modify the settings? If so, I'd say just jump in and fix it. [21:06] godbyk i don't have permission [21:07] c7p: Okay. Do you know what the settings *should* be? If so, let me know and I'll try to fix them. [21:07] nope :( i don't know [21:07] You need to be in the Manual Project Admins Team i think [21:07] Incidentally I am not in that either ;) [21:08] haha [21:08] Really?! [21:08] Well, I can fix that! [21:08] Thanks [21:08] godbyk the fixer ! :D [21:09] thanks [21:09] Anything else [21:09] Okay, ChrisWoollard and c7p: Welcome to the Ubuntu Manual Admins team. [21:09] (Whatever that entails.) [21:09] Go forth and make things right. [21:09] Don't be evil. [21:09] And don't forget to pay your dues. ;-) [21:09] cool :p [21:10] lol, ok anything else ? [21:10] Any Other Any Other Business? [21:11] Nothing from me. [21:11] [topic] Next Meeting [21:11] New Topic: Next Meeting [21:12] 2 Weeks? [21:12] yes [21:12] Works for me. [21:12] I will do my best to be there [21:13] Does anybody feel like organising it? [21:13] i.e. Sorting out the notes / mailing list / doodle etc [21:13] i can [21:14] Lovely. [21:14] but one thing [21:14] yes [21:14] please add items to the agenda guys :) we are an open project [21:14] that's it [21:15] [action] All Team Members - Add agenda items if you have a point to make [21:15] ACTION received: All Team Members - Add agenda items if you have a point to make [21:15] :) [21:15] xD nice [21:15] And then be sure to attend that meeting so you can present your agenda items. [21:16] ('cause if I'm running the meeting and you've added an agenda item, I may not know what you were thinking about when you wrote it.) [21:16] Also, Does anybody want to write up the minutes for the wiki? [21:16] * jenkins is getting there on bug #691511 [21:16] Launchpad bug 691511 in quickshot "Crash after pressing screenshot submit button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691511 [21:17] Okay, fair enough. I will write up the minutes. [21:17] #endmeeting [21:17] Meeting finished at 16:17. [21:17] thanks ChrisWoollard [21:17] good job ChrisWoollard [21:18] np [21:18] it was nice to see you jenkins after some months :) [21:18] Yeah, thanks for coming, jenkins! [21:18] Did you guys see this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/new-gwibber-user-guide-makes-mastering-social-networking-in-ubuntu-easy/ [21:18] thanks, I will try to hang around a bit more [21:19] Jenkins: Can you write me a brief overview on quickshot. what it does, why it is so great, and maybe how to use it. [21:19] godbyk: interesting [21:20] I will work on it ChrisWoollard, probably starting with how to use it [21:20] I know you showed me a bit. but it didn't really help me understand it [21:21] np I will endevor to create some instructions [21:21] I want to try and get more people to understand it. [21:22] makes sensecurrently there are 2 people who know how to me and faln [21:22] It seems that screenshots are the main hold up at the moment for the maverick manual [21:22] :( sorry my fauk [21:22] *fault [21:23] Not totally. We as a team have neglected that side of things. So don't really know anything obout quickshot. [21:25] So, with any luck we can change that. and get us going again :) [21:25] On a seperate note. How are you? It has been a long time since you have been seen. [21:27] I haev been nipping in and out quite alot, but i am good my placement is going well. Running a scout section is by biggested time consumer [21:28] *by far [21:28] * jenkins should haev checked that [21:28] Scouts... As in.... dib dib dib [21:28] yes [21:28] cool. [21:28] its good I have been doing it for year [21:28] s [21:29] but came back home for placement as my local one was falling apart [21:29] so been working hard to recover it [21:30] That is really good. [21:30] you been up to much [21:32] Not too much. I have been working on the Ubuntu Manual, I bit on the Developer Manual + my own life. [21:32] I haven't had that much time recently. [21:33] cool, lets hope we can get the manul going again [21:33] i hope so. [21:49] ChrisWoollard, godbyk: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMP-Editor-Writter [21:49] a description for the editors and authors, make any proper modifications, corrections [21:50] it's not the one that you 've written -database is down- but it resembles [21:55] you can check it, correct it and add it to job list too [21:57] i g2g good evening [22:19] night all [22:19] g'night