[00:19] <The_Letter_M> Hello ALl
[00:20] <pleia2> g'day The_Letter_M
[00:20] <The_Letter_M> Anyone here use eBox / Zentyal?
[00:21] <pleia2> Michael Paric on the list uses it quite a bit (I think he's done a couple talks too)
[00:23] <The_Letter_M> I remember he does. I lost his card though
[00:24] <The_Letter_M> I have a server set up with it though
[00:24] <The_Letter_M> and I try to add a user using the command line
[00:25] <pleia2> his email address is on this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2009-December/001011.html
[00:25] <pleia2> or you could just ask on list, he may not be the only one using it
[00:25] <The_Letter_M> and then when I try to set a PW I get passwd: Authentication token manipulation error passwd: password unchanged
[00:26] <The_Letter_M> thanks
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> i got this old timer to switch to ubuntu today :)
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> popped in the livecd
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> showed him how easy evolution was
[02:59] <pleia2> is this the one with the outlook conversion?
[03:31] <iheartubuntu> yup
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> what was the deal maker was the printer
[03:32] <pleia2> yeah?
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> i told him i needed to install the printer and test out his printer
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> i went into print settings, and the HP 4500 was already there
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> its an all in one
[03:32] <pleia2> :)
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> print,scan,fax
[03:32] <iheartubuntu> so i asked him to print a document
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> the guy is old like 33
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> just kidding :)
[03:33] <pleia2> lol
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> hes almost 80
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> and he printed no problem
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> he said he also needed to figure out how to scan so he can email them to his customers
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> i had him lay the doc face up where the scanner feed was
[03:33] <pleia2> yeah, windows is hard when it comes to printing, have to go find drivers (if you don't have the disk) and then deal with errors if it's not a certified driver
[03:33] <iheartubuntu> he opened simple scan
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> and clicked scan and it scanned it and he made a PDF
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> very easy
[03:34] <pleia2> as it should be!
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> so he was really blown away
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> i spent 3 hours trying to get wifi going on his XP
[03:34] <iheartubuntu> he wasnt sure about ubuntu at first
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> pop in the disc and ubuntu found the wifi :)
[03:35] <pleia2> nice
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> so everything just worked
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> (that might be a first for me)
[03:35] <pleia2> hehe
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> but it was nice to see everything just work like it should
[03:35] <iheartubuntu> no hunting for drivers
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> i ordered him some more ram and when it comes in i'll convert his system
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> ohh one question
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> 10.10 didnt work
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> it just sits there blank screen
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> 10.04 works fine
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> and livecd booted right up
[03:36] <iheartubuntu> anyone experience this before?
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> its an onboard video card. not sure much more than that. im not going to upgrade his video card at all
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> considering he just does email
[03:37] <iheartubuntu> the IE browser was horrible. would not render pages properly
[03:37] <pleia2> at what point does it sit there? during install?
[03:38] <iheartubuntu> i shoulda check the version... but it was OLD
[03:38] <iheartubuntu> no before it gets to the "try ubuntu" install ubuntu main screen
[03:39] <pleia2> maybe a bad install disk? I dunno, there are a zillion reasons for it, I just try the alt installer if I run into trouble
[03:39] <iheartubuntu> thats what i was thinking but it was a canonical disc
[03:40] <iheartubuntu> i'm going to look for another one i have and try it and maybe try a burned disc as well
[03:40] <pleia2> lucid is probably the way to go anway :)
[03:40] <pleia2> LTS++
[03:40] <iheartubuntu> youre right. i put lucid on the wifes computer about 6 months ago
[03:40] <iheartubuntu> it just works
[03:40] <iheartubuntu> a big yahoo mail icon an a big QVC icon on the desktop :)
[03:41] <pleia2> hehe
[03:41] <iheartubuntu> (hope i dont get a christmas gift)
[03:41] <iheartubuntu> dang i didnt say that!
[03:42] <iheartubuntu> nice zoo pics
[03:42] <pleia2> thanks :)
[03:42] <iheartubuntu> i miss the zoo. its been a while
[03:42] <iheartubuntu> never been to SF zoo
[03:42] <pleia2> it was a perfect day for the zoo, and the animals cooperated!
[03:42] <iheartubuntu> do they have gorillas
[03:42] <pleia2> yep
[03:43] <iheartubuntu> san diego has an incredible zoo down there
[03:43] <pleia2> no elephants though, have to go to the oakland zoo for elephants (I haven't been yet)
[03:43] <pleia2> yeah, san diego is world famous
[03:43]  * pleia2 shall go some day!
[03:43] <akk> SF Zoo is very good too, though!
[03:44] <iheartubuntu> its right near the ocean? like south of golden gate park?
[03:44]  * pleia2 saw a baby koala and a baby anteater!
[03:44] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yep
[03:44] <akk> I've never been to the Oakland zoo.
[03:46] <pleia2> it's harder to get there though (public transit takes 3x longer than driving, so I'd drive, ugh driving)
[03:46] <pleia2> getting to sfzoo is very easy on MUNI :)
[03:48] <iheartubuntu> where is oakland zoo? in the hills or something?
[03:51] <pleia2> it's to the east of 580 near some other parks
[03:52] <pleia2> there is a bus that goes there from BART, but it's like a 25 minute ride itself
[03:52] <pleia2> (goog maps tells me it's 25 minutes total to drive from where I am)
[03:52] <iheartubuntu> not bad
[03:52] <iheartubuntu> and 5 hours by bus
[03:53] <pleia2> yeah, it's actually not a bad drive, juts 80 to 580
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> i would never do bus in LA here
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> in SF its doable
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> muni is pretty efficient
[03:53] <pleia2> I mostly just take buses that go in straight lines :)
[03:53] <pleia2> unless someone else is navigating
[03:53] <iheartubuntu> dont take a bus in rome then
[03:54]  * pleia2 public transportation newbie
[03:54] <iheartubuntu> buses in rome go for loops and everyone on the bus gives you a different answer on where its going
[03:54] <iheartubuntu> i got the impression no one knew exactly where the bus was going, but knew the general direction it was heading
[03:55] <pleia2> haha, lovely
[03:55] <iheartubuntu> and that is exactly how it worked out for us too :)
[03:55] <pleia2> public transit in SF is very well documented, probably because a lot of tourists use it
[03:55] <pleia2> a lot like DC
[03:55] <iheartubuntu> we got on, it was going toward the east and we got off a few blocks away and hiked the rest of the way
[03:55] <pleia2> philly's public transit is dirty and scary :\
[03:56] <iheartubuntu> the streets in dc confused me more than the metro
[03:56] <pleia2> yeah, driving in DC is hard, the metro is great
[03:56] <iheartubuntu> next thing you know i was crossing the river and heading to arlington
[03:56] <pleia2> so just park near a metro station ;)
[03:56] <akk> Buses in most places I've lived don't go in straight lines, at least for long. You just have to memorize that 571 goes where you're going (and where to get off and transfer to 305).
[03:57] <iheartubuntu> any good bart apps for android or iphone?
[03:57] <akk> google maps generally knows about transit, doesn't it?
[03:58] <akk> In Portland we were walking with a friend who had gmaps on his android, and it was telling him "go 2 blocks this way then catch the 71 or the 13 bus"
[03:58] <pleia2> yeah, a lot of cities have their transit info in google maps now
[03:58] <pleia2> philly didn't when I lived there, but they might now
[03:58] <pleia2> new jersey had just gotten theirs in when I was moving
[03:58] <akk> (unfortunately gmaps offline doesn't work on my android 1.6 :( )
[03:59] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: most of the transit agencies here have mobile versions of their websites, so I just use them
[03:59] <pleia2> caltrain, bart, and for muni I just use nextmuni.com
[04:02] <iheartubuntu> just an FYI for everyone here in california. you might consider picking up some potassium iodide pills in case of nuclear fallout. see the map... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfKawRWSk3w
[04:03] <pleia2> I actually have some
[04:03] <pleia2> (I used to live within the kill zone of a plant)
[04:04] <iheartubuntu> i dont know about 750 rads hitting the USA though
[04:04] <iheartubuntu> seems far fetched
[04:04] <pleia2> yeah
[04:04] <iheartubuntu> but still not a bad idea to keep some on hand
[04:04] <pleia2> my house was 7 miles away, and my apartment after that was like 2
[04:04] <akk> Is potassium iodide a vitamin-store thing?
[04:04] <iheartubuntu> i wold say OMG but my website has banned me from speaking such a name every again :)
[04:04] <pleia2> akk: not sure, I got mine from the township
[04:05] <iheartubuntu> i dont think you would survive 750 rads
[04:05] <pleia2> but typically only townships near nuclear plants have them
[04:05] <iheartubuntu> its easy to get online
[04:06] <pleia2> I do question the effectiveness
[04:06] <iheartubuntu> http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/catalog/shop_product_detail.jsp?filterBy=&skuId=190658&productId=190658&navAction=jump&navCount=3
[04:06] <iheartubuntu> online only from CVS
[04:06] <pleia2> I think it's mostly for piece of mind, something you can "do" as you drive away asap
[04:06] <akk> Like duct tape on the windows. :)
[04:06] <pleia2> yeah
[04:06] <iheartubuntu> we'll just head to pleia2s house.
[04:06] <pleia2> sold that house :)
[04:07] <iheartubuntu> you have some earthquake pills at least?
[04:07] <iheartubuntu> :)
[04:07] <akk> I don't think it's supposed to protect against real radiation poisoning, only help if there's a radiation level so small it would only affect your thyroid.
[04:07] <pleia2> it was interesting actually, when we bought the area was "up and coming" - it had been completely skipped for development for years because of the plant after 3 mile island, but public memory is only 20 years long
[04:07]  * iheartubuntu needs to watch Jericho again
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> Japan quake moved teh island of Japan 8 feet and shifted earth axis 4 inches
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> Insane
[04:09] <akk> Wow.
[04:09] <pleia2> the one in chile last year only shifted the axis 8cm
[04:10] <DarkwingDuck> That means quakes in the last year have moved the axis by 18cm
[04:10] <akk> Doesn't shifting the axis violate conservation of momentum? (This must be one of those gyroscope problems.)
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> Well, teh earth spins on a double axis anyway...
[04:11] <akk> DarkwingDuck: Only if both movements were in the same direction.
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> That's why we tilt
[04:11] <akk> double axis?
[04:11] <akk> The axis wobbles, certainly.
[04:12] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... that's what I meant
[04:12] <DarkwingDuck> Becasue of the shape of the earth and the tilt
[04:13] <pleia2> oh bother, DST means berkeleylug will be an hour earlier in my brain, getting there at noon is hard enough
[04:14] <akk> Does shifting the axis 4" mean 4" at the surface of the earth (the pole)?
[04:14] <iheartubuntu> they need to get rid of DST
[04:14] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: +1
[04:15] <akk> yeah
[04:15] <DarkwingDuck> I agree with that
[04:15] <iheartubuntu> if someone needs to work, then THEY get up earlier or THEY stay later. dont make me do it too!
[04:15] <iheartubuntu> :)
[04:15] <pleia2> speaking of which, our meeting page is wrong, fixing D/S time
[04:15] <akk> Which direction did Japan move? West toward the mainland? None of the reports seem to say.
[04:16] <iheartubuntu> now some countries switch, some  dont. some states switch, some dont. its all screwy
[04:16] <akk> (Subduction zone, not strike-slip, so it's not obvious like it would be in CA.)
[04:16] <iheartubuntu> towards calif
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> It effected the rotation axis of the earth
[04:16] <akk> I'm asking about the 8 feet now, not the 4" axis thing.
[04:16] <akk> Though I'm still confused how the axis shift works too.
[04:16] <iheartubuntu> 8 feets towards calif
[04:17] <iheartubuntu> not sure about the axis
[04:17] <akk> Wow, toward the subducting plate? Interesting!
[04:17] <iheartubuntu> i heard it on the radio this morn. so take it as such
[04:17] <iheartubuntu> id look it up instead of some relying on some yeeeh haw station
[04:18] <iheartubuntu> 105.1 go country
[04:18] <akk> yeah, will do so if I can find it
[04:18] <iheartubuntu> becuase wife doesnt like 101.9 la raza
[04:18] <akk> usually it takes a while before much scientific data gets reported
[04:19] <iheartubuntu> (but if i had an oktoberfest station it would be glued to that)
[04:20] <iheartubuntu> has anyone seen the last narnia? dawn treader?
[04:23] <pleia2> I think I've only seen the first
[04:24] <akk> I didn't even see the first one.
[04:24] <iheartubuntu> google has halted shipments of the cr48
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I love this plugin
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> Google translate for firefox.
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> Translates pages on the fly
[04:26] <iheartubuntu> nice
[04:26] <iheartubuntu> chrome does it automatigically
[04:26] <pleia2> yeah I'm so used to it in chrome
[04:26] <iheartubuntu> i so like to use chrome but find it buggy at times
[04:26] <pleia2> makes the world so much smaller :)
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> How is the chrome in ubuntu?
[04:27] <pleia2> works great for me (I don't use any plugins or anything though)
[04:27] <iheartubuntu> nice
[04:27] <iheartubuntu> and Chrome even looks good in Kubuntu
[04:27] <iheartubuntu> you can set it to match kubuntus look
[04:28] <DarkwingDuck> hmmz...
[04:28] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: saying they "halted" them makes it sound so abrupt, they ran out and ended the program ;)
[04:28] <DarkwingDuck> I've been looking for a good stable browser that doesn't suck RAM like FF does
[04:28] <pleia2> not "omg they were exploding on peoples laps, halt shipments immediately!!11"
[04:28] <iheartubuntu> reading the blog :)
[04:29] <iheartubuntu> sounds like in May they will start selling
[04:30] <pleia2> I really hope someone comes out with a netbook with a pixel qi screen soon
[04:31] <iheartubuntu> what is that?
[04:31] <pleia2> it's the screen on the OLPCs, you can see it in direct sunlight
[04:31] <iheartubuntu> would be great in cars
[04:32] <pleia2> I go outside with my netbook now, but it's not pleasant, can barely see the screen even with the brightness all the way up
[04:33] <akk> I'd love to see tablets/ebook readers with that screen, too.
[04:33] <iheartubuntu> do android tabs or ipads have that yet?
[04:34] <akk> haven't heard of one
[04:34] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: nope
[04:34] <akk> You have to choose between an e-ink ebook reader (very limited software) and a backlit LCD.
[04:35] <pleia2> my netbook is backlit LCD, which is what makes seeing it outside possible at all
[04:35] <akk> I don't understand why nobody uses the frontlit/transflective color LCDs, like in the Zaurus or Garmin GPS.
[04:35] <akk> The Zaurus was really readable in daylight as well as indoors.
[04:36] <akk> There have been a few Palms like that (Zire/Tungsten) but AFAIK nothing since then.
[04:36] <pleia2> interesting
[04:54] <akk> If anybody's bored, you could measure your typing speed. http://speedtest.10-fast-fingers.com/
[04:57] <iheartubuntu> im game
[04:57] <iheartubuntu> im looking for a game for this old timer
[04:58] <iheartubuntu> he said it was a cannon game where he shot things into the air, over a mountain or something like that
[04:58] <iheartubuntu> browsing the software center :)
[04:58] <akk> or angry birds? :)
[05:02] <iheartubuntu> 52 words a minute
[05:02] <iheartubuntu> yuk
[05:02] <iheartubuntu> its all columbus typing though
[05:02] <akk> columbus?
[05:03] <iheartubuntu> point and go
[05:03] <iheartubuntu> two fingers
[05:03] <akk> ah ... wikipedia says that's fast for a 2-finger typist
[05:04] <akk> says average is 37 wpm
[05:04] <iheartubuntu> christopher columbus method is where you "discover it" and "land upon it"
[05:04] <iheartubuntu> i can go faster
[05:04] <iheartubuntu> i had a few errors though
[05:04] <iheartubuntu> generally im pretty quick
[05:04] <iheartubuntu> maybe im more gorilla. i use my thumbs a bit too
[05:04] <akk> though it says professional typists average around 50-70, and I'm running around 80-82 and other folks seem to be faster.
[05:06] <iheartubuntu> 55 now
[05:07] <iheartubuntu> maybe we should get a Capitalism game going between ubuntu CA members:) (its like monopoly
[05:08] <iheartubuntu> http://www.playdeb.net/software/Capitalism
[05:09] <pleia2> 76, but I don't think I'd be able to keep that up over extended periods
[05:10] <akk> I definitely couldn't keep up the typing of random words ... I start glazing over before the minute is over, and have to concentrate a lot.
[05:10] <akk> If it was sentences it would be a lot easier.
[05:10] <pleia2> yeah
[05:10] <pleia2> when I know what I'm saying on IRC I probably type faster :)
[05:10] <pleia2> but transcribing is hard
[05:11] <akk> I have trouble when they delete the two lines and replace with a new 2 lines -- I always lose a bit in the transition.
[05:11] <akk> It would be easier for me if they scrolled a line at a time.
[05:11] <akk> But it probably doesn't affect the numerical score that much.
[05:12] <pleia2> I think tux type had a speed test that was better
[05:13] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: have you tried tuxtype?
[05:13] <iheartubuntu> i will now :)
[05:13] <akk> me too
[05:14] <pleia2> hmm, tuxtype is not what I thought it was
[05:14] <pleia2> there was cli-based thing
[05:15] <iheartubuntu> thats not it? i rememer some sort of typing tutor
[05:16] <pleia2> tuxtype is this big ole graphical thing, with sound!
[05:16] <iheartubuntu> tipptrainer
[05:16] <iheartubuntu> klavaro
[05:18] <pleia2> ah, gtypist
[05:20] <akk> Neat ... though, how annoying how it changes the colors to make the text much harder to read ...
[05:20] <akk> not sure that's entirely a fair test
[05:22] <iheartubuntu> klavaro is sorta nice
[05:26] <iheartubuntu> plee the bear
[05:26] <iheartubuntu> not pleia2 the bear
[05:27] <pleia2> not nearly fluffy enough
[05:27] <iheartubuntu> haha!
[05:28] <iheartubuntu> some interesting games in the software center i dont recall seeing before
[05:28] <akk> I want some better puzzle/memory games.
[05:29] <akk> And maybe games that teach real skills, e.g. something about the difficulty of sudoku but that requires actually doing math (so I'd get better at mental math instead of just counting).
[05:30] <akk> I'm addicted to Word Drop on Android, but it gets old and I'd like to find other similar games.
[05:42] <iheartubuntu> sudo apt-get install capitalism
[05:42] <iheartubuntu> anyone?
[05:43] <iheartubuntu> online monopoly
[05:44] <iheartubuntu> i will be in the "doomopoly.doomworld.org" server
[05:44] <iheartubuntu> port 1234
[05:44]  * akk was never that excited about monopoly, sorry
[05:46] <iheartubuntu> np
[05:47] <iheartubuntu> time for a triple shot of espresso
[05:48] <akk> Ah, gonna stay up for the time change so you don't wake up at the wrong time? :)
[05:49] <iheartubuntu> ton of work to do
[05:50] <iheartubuntu> just go all nite
[05:50] <iheartubuntu> then tomorrow work on the house when its daylight
[11:42] <r4y> How do I apply this patch?:
[11:42] <r4y> v
[11:42] <r4y> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/63917593/gtk-recordmydesktop_select_window.patch