wrst | chibihogoshino it is a might dead today but been too pretty out to be trapped inside | 00:36 |
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chibihogoshino | lol | 01:09 |
chibihogoshino | i dont know what outside it | 01:09 |
wrst | ha ha chibihogoshino you should really give it a try its nice | 01:10 |
chibihogoshino | to many people are outside | 01:10 |
wrst | not if you find the right spots :) | 01:11 |
chibihogoshino | spot of outside with no people.. i dont believe it | 01:12 |
wrst | you must be in a city chibihogoshino there are spots like that everywhere! | 01:15 |
chibihogoshino | lol calling knoxville a city | 01:15 |
wrst | that's a city to me | 01:15 |
chibihogoshino | hehe | 01:16 |
wrst | really | 01:21 |
chibihogoshino | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1892.html | 01:34 |
chibihogoshino | before and after photo of sendai japan | 01:34 |
wrst | wow chibihogoshino :\ | 01:37 |
chibihogoshino | at the bottom you can get a full res photo | 01:37 |
wrst | yeah that's awful deal | 01:39 |
chibihogoshino | yeah | 01:40 |
cyberanger | and the plant there has a serious leak | 03:00 |
cyberanger | compared to what they're saying | 03:01 |
wrst | cyberanger you will be happy to know I now have quassel on my android | 03:12 |
wrst | serious radiation leak not good at all | 03:12 |
cyberanger | wrst: depends, is it alpha quality | 03:12 |
wrst | hmm alpha or pre alpha. using quasseldroid | 03:13 |
wrst | but a new Dec crew has been making strides on it | 03:13 |
chris4585 | wrst, later tonight I'm going to download alpha 3 and install it on a extra computer :D | 03:13 |
chris4585 | I really want to try unity on something besides virtualbox.. | 03:14 |
wrst | I need a tab key | 03:14 |
wrst | its pretty good now chrris4585 | 03:14 |
cyberanger | wrst: yeah, the 1st loop (normally closed) vented steam into the containment chamber, raising the chamber's pressure to double the limits of it's design | 03:14 |
cyberanger | so they released some steam outside into the air | 03:15 |
cyberanger | but that fails to explain caesium | 03:15 |
cyberanger | which could be due to the fuel rods breaking down, so they might have had a meltdown and breach | 03:16 |
wrst | oh not good | 03:16 |
cyberanger | well, if they weren't detecting caesium, it's just minimal short lived isotopes like nitogen-16, which is ok, short lived | 03:17 |
cyberanger | they've detected and failed to explain caesium release | 03:18 |
cyberanger | which makes me wonder | 03:18 |
cyberanger | at least it wasn't an RBMK-1000 design, like chernobyl | 03:19 |
cyberanger | becuase it probally would have blown | 03:19 |
wrst | yes | 03:19 |
cyberanger | 3MI was a meltdown, and it held | 03:19 |
cyberanger | so this might be a small step up | 03:20 |
wrst | you know your nuclear reactors cyberanger | 03:20 |
chris4585 | indeed | 03:21 |
cyberanger | ever since I did a paper on it back in High School, it's been an area of study I suppose | 03:21 |
wrst | and you aren't terribly far from one yourself | 03:23 |
cyberanger | yeah, 11 miles, 19.5km | 03:23 |
cyberanger | and I'd be part of the evac plans, via ARES | 03:24 |
cyberanger | if something were to happen | 03:24 |
wrst | well goodnight everyone | 03:24 |
* wrst heads to bed early due to the government clock tinkering | 03:25 | |
cyberanger | wrst: night | 03:25 |
cyberanger | lol | 03:25 |
wrst | night cyberanger, chris4585 | 03:25 |
chris4585 | g'night wrst | 03:26 |
chris4585 | cyberanger, I'm about 15 - 20 miles from a nuclear power plant | 03:26 |
cyberanger | chris4585: crystal river? | 03:29 |
cyberanger | crystal river energy complex? | 03:31 |
chris4585 | cyberanger, yep | 03:35 |
cyberanger | thought so, other two (out of three) are south of miami | 03:36 |
chris4585 | its funny because from the local beach, you can see the plant off to the side | 03:36 |
chris4585 | ah | 03:36 |
chris4585 | so wait in FL there are only 3 nuclear power plants? | 03:36 |
cyberanger | well, sites, 2 reactors at Turkey Point, in Flordia City | 03:37 |
cyberanger | one reactor at Crystal River, shared with 4 coal | 03:38 |
chris4585 | ah | 03:38 |
cyberanger | and 2 more reactors at St. Lucie | 03:38 |
chris4585 | I have no idea where any of those are lol except crystal river | 03:38 |
cyberanger | which is in port St. Lucie | 03:38 |
cyberanger | Flordia City is in Miami-Dade county, south of Miami | 03:39 |
chris4585 | ah | 03:40 |
cyberanger | and port St. Lucie is actually north of west palm beach by roughly 50 miles | 03:41 |
chris4585 | we often go to Ft. Lauderdale / Miami for my step dad's family | 03:41 |
cyberanger | the plant itself is 45 miles from west palm beach's airport | 03:43 |
cyberanger | Flordia City is between Miami and Key Largo, been there myself once then | 03:43 |
cyberanger | I wonder if the NRC ever figured out the cause of the containment gap they found (and I suspect caused) when replacing the steam generators in 2009 | 03:46 |
cyberanger | Crystal River had a kinda unique design, the containment walls allways have rebar, but crystal river also had steel tension wires too, further protection | 03:48 |
chris4585 | cyberanger, you remember the coal plant accident right after christmas about 3 years ago in roane county? | 03:48 |
chris4585 | that was pretty crazy.. it was literally 15min drive from my house | 03:49 |
cyberanger | but when they cut a hole to replace the steam generators, they cut the tension cable, when the tension left, I think that triggered a shift, creating the small holes | 03:49 |
cyberanger | the coal ash spill, not a good day for sure | 03:49 |
cyberanger | oh, no, that's too recent | 03:50 |
chris4585 | yeah that was pretty bad, I've been within 500 ft of ash area before it happened and it was beautiful | 03:50 |
cyberanger | I guess that was Dec. 2008 | 03:50 |
chris4585 | around there | 03:51 |
chris4585 | it was the 26th if I remember right... | 03:51 |
chris4585 | or 24th | 03:51 |
cyberanger | 22nd or earlier | 03:51 |
cyberanger | hit the news on the 22nd | 03:51 |
chris4585 | I knew it was close to there | 03:51 |
cyberanger | that's part of our problem | 03:53 |
cyberanger | people allways cite nuclear's lack of storage or any way to deal with the waste really | 03:54 |
cyberanger | but coal ash is the same way | 03:54 |
cyberanger | solar is rare, too small still | 03:54 |
cyberanger | geothermal isn't that big here (could be though) | 03:54 |
cyberanger | and hydro can't do it all | 03:55 |
cyberanger | there is no power without a downside | 03:58 |
cyberanger | I'm just glad MTR mining is being stopped | 03:59 |
cyberanger | it's progress | 03:59 |
chris4585 | cyberanger, personally.. as a civilization I believe we are doing pretty shitty considering our intelligence is high enough to choose cleaner technologies, but we choose not to | 04:03 |
cyberanger | cleaner isn't clean | 04:04 |
cyberanger | I agree, but keep that in mind | 04:04 |
cyberanger | I'd goto solar here (well, maybe not here, exactly, too much shade) or setup wind at my folks | 04:05 |
cyberanger | the thing is, it's dark at night, my folks have high winds, to the point of bypassing the generators to avoid damage | 04:06 |
cyberanger | which means connecting battries to the system | 04:06 |
cyberanger | between the construction components, the battries acid levels | 04:07 |
cyberanger | and hydro floods areas as a river is dammed up | 04:07 |
chris4585 | yes wind was what I was thinking about, but off watermill technology I think could also work well.. | 04:07 |
cyberanger | and damns can burst, it has destroyed wild life has their ecosystem changes overnight | 04:08 |
cyberanger | current grid design, current ideas of giant plants, that's gotta stop first | 04:09 |
cyberanger | we'd have to switch to a system where operators of the grid could remotely manipulate a MAINS switch, for line repair (doable in theroy with some of the mesh networking tests being done for smart grid technology) | 04:10 |
cyberanger | and every 5 houses in a rual area, ever 15 in a city could generate | 04:11 |
chris4585 | I like the idea of selling my energy (solar power) to the grid | 04:12 |
cyberanger | that wouldn't perfectly offset everything, but we might as well use the hydro we have already, and keep some stations on standby, in case | 04:12 |
cyberanger | chris4585: the flaw in that is the hazards to linemen currently, if your generating enough to sell, and don't disconnect from the grid while they're doing repair | 04:13 |
cyberanger | they can easily mistake a hot wire for a dead line | 04:13 |
cyberanger | thus that remote signal | 04:14 |
chris4585 | then why not just send out a signal to turn off the line? | 04:14 |
cyberanger | and the power needed for that is so low, that could easily be a 12vdc car battery and a 20 watt solar power, set to allways be off grid, power fails, it defaults to disconnecting from the grid | 04:15 |
cyberanger | current grid design had the utilities in full control, that's what they did | 04:15 |
cyberanger | unfortunately, current design is from the 1950's | 04:16 |
chris4585 | my point is, we're not cavemen anymore, why are we still stuck in this painfully slow era where politics means everything? my point from earlier was humanity makes me sad | 04:17 |
cyberanger | well, becuase everything is politics, yeah, sad | 04:17 |
cyberanger | we're making progress, unfortunately, not at the rate that we wired this country the 1st time | 04:19 |
cyberanger | I'd like to get a dual system here, but not sell to the grid | 04:27 |
cyberanger | just use as much power off grid as I can, buy from the grid | 04:27 |
cyberanger | I'm not on coal power here, hydro and nuclear | 04:27 |
cyberanger | so I can see trying not to use the grid, but given some constraints here, the heat and ac, water heater and fridge would probally have to stay on the grid | 04:28 |
cyberanger | my computers could be all offgrid | 04:29 |
chris4585 | cyberanger, what if the solar panels became cheaper? | 04:29 |
cyberanger | cheaper to buy, still the problem of apartment lifestyle, and the production of them not being too clean | 04:30 |
cyberanger | but when I move, get a house, I see it more likely that I could run everything on solar | 04:30 |
cyberanger | but I'd like a dual option | 04:30 |
cyberanger | wind and solar perhaps | 04:31 |
cyberanger | I dunno if I would sell to the grid (opting to just insure I don't have to buy from it) | 04:33 |
cyberanger | if I didn't have access to the grid, say a remote part of montana, or the grid was small (like the alaskan bush, where only the town is connected) I'd have a dual system, wind and solar, on battries, and a diesel generator | 04:38 |
cyberanger | insure I could stay running long term | 04:38 |
cyberanger | I'd sell to the grid once everyone was running a smart grid system that'd make it safe for a lineman | 04:41 |
chibihogoshino | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews | 06:32 |
chibihogoshino | cyberanger: ^^ | 06:52 |
cyberanger | lol | 06:52 |
cyberanger | saw it 20 minutes ago ;-) | 06:53 |
chibihogoshino | where | 06:53 |
chibihogoshino | i just got home | 06:53 |
cyberanger | (and I think you sent it yesterday too, perhaps, seen mutiple ustream.tv links from mutiple people, relating to this) | 06:54 |
cyberanger | well, you pinged me 20 minutes and 22 seconds afterwords | 06:54 |
chibihogoshino | this is live tho | 06:54 |
chibihogoshino | from japan .. i didnt know if you were watching it or not | 06:55 |
cyberanger | true, but it's hit a point where I'm mostly focused on the reactor site north of toyko | 06:55 |
cyberanger | just cause japan allways has live news | 06:55 |
cyberanger | and I gotta look at the middle east too | 06:55 |
cyberanger | libya, iran, iraq | 06:56 |
wrst | another exciting day | 18:15 |
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