[00:36] <wrst> chibihogoshino it is a might dead today but been too pretty out to be trapped inside
[01:09] <chibihogoshino> lol
[01:09] <chibihogoshino> i dont know what outside it
[01:10] <wrst> ha ha chibihogoshino you should really give it a try its nice
[01:10] <chibihogoshino> to many people are outside
[01:11] <wrst> not if you find the right spots :)
[01:12] <chibihogoshino> spot of outside with no people.. i dont believe it
[01:15] <wrst> you must be in a city chibihogoshino there are spots like that everywhere!
[01:15] <chibihogoshino> lol calling knoxville a city
[01:15] <wrst> that's a city to me
[01:16] <chibihogoshino> hehe
[01:21] <wrst> really
[01:34] <chibihogoshino> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1892.html
[01:34] <chibihogoshino> before and after photo of sendai japan
[01:37] <wrst> wow chibihogoshino :\
[01:37] <chibihogoshino> at the bottom you can get a full res photo
[01:39] <wrst> yeah that's awful deal
[01:40] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[03:00] <cyberanger> and the plant there has a serious leak
[03:01] <cyberanger> compared to what they're saying
[03:12] <wrst> cyberanger you will be happy to know I now have quassel on my android
[03:12] <wrst> serious radiation leak not good at all
[03:12] <cyberanger> wrst: depends, is it alpha quality
[03:13] <wrst> hmm alpha or pre alpha. using quasseldroid
[03:13] <wrst> but a new Dec crew has been making strides on it
[03:13] <chris4585> wrst, later tonight I'm going to download alpha 3 and install it on a extra computer :D
[03:14] <chris4585> I really want to try unity on something besides virtualbox..
[03:14] <wrst>  I need a tab key
[03:14] <wrst> its pretty good now chrris4585
[03:14] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, the 1st loop (normally closed) vented steam into the containment chamber, raising the chamber's pressure to double the limits of it's design
[03:15] <cyberanger> so they released some steam outside into the air
[03:15] <cyberanger> but that fails to explain caesium
[03:16] <cyberanger> which could be due to the fuel rods breaking down, so they might have had a meltdown and breach
[03:16] <wrst> oh not good
[03:17] <cyberanger> well, if they weren't detecting caesium, it's just minimal short lived isotopes like nitogen-16, which is ok, short lived
[03:18] <cyberanger> they've detected and failed to explain caesium release
[03:18] <cyberanger> which makes me wonder
[03:19] <cyberanger> at least it wasn't an RBMK-1000 design, like chernobyl
[03:19] <cyberanger> becuase it probally would have blown
[03:19] <wrst> yes
[03:19] <cyberanger> 3MI was a meltdown, and it held
[03:20] <cyberanger> so this might be a small step up
[03:20] <wrst> you know your nuclear reactors cyberanger
[03:21] <chris4585> indeed
[03:21] <cyberanger> ever since I did a paper on it back in High School, it's been an area of study I suppose
[03:23] <wrst> and you aren't terribly far from one yourself
[03:23] <cyberanger> yeah, 11 miles, 19.5km
[03:24] <cyberanger> and I'd be part of the evac plans, via ARES
[03:24] <cyberanger> if something were to happen
[03:24] <wrst> well goodnight everyone
[03:25]  * wrst heads to bed early due to the government clock tinkering
[03:25] <cyberanger> wrst: night
[03:25] <cyberanger> lol
[03:25] <wrst> night cyberanger, chris4585
[03:26] <chris4585> g'night wrst
[03:26] <chris4585> cyberanger, I'm about 15 - 20 miles from a nuclear power plant
[03:29] <cyberanger> chris4585: crystal river?
[03:31] <cyberanger> crystal river energy complex?
[03:35] <chris4585> cyberanger, yep
[03:36] <cyberanger> thought so, other two (out of three) are south of miami
[03:36] <chris4585> its funny because from the local beach, you can see the plant off to the side
[03:36] <chris4585> ah
[03:36] <chris4585> so wait in FL there are only 3 nuclear power plants?
[03:37] <cyberanger> well, sites, 2 reactors at Turkey Point, in Flordia City
[03:38] <cyberanger> one reactor at Crystal River, shared with 4 coal
[03:38] <chris4585> ah
[03:38] <cyberanger> and 2 more reactors at St. Lucie
[03:38] <chris4585> I have no idea where any of those are lol except crystal river
[03:38] <cyberanger> which is in port St. Lucie
[03:39] <cyberanger> Flordia City is in Miami-Dade county, south of Miami
[03:40] <chris4585> ah
[03:41] <cyberanger> and port St. Lucie is actually north of west palm beach by roughly 50 miles
[03:41] <chris4585> we often go to Ft. Lauderdale / Miami for my step dad's family
[03:43] <cyberanger> the plant itself is 45 miles from west palm beach's airport
[03:43] <cyberanger> Flordia City is between Miami and Key Largo, been there myself once then
[03:46] <cyberanger> I wonder if the NRC ever figured out the cause of the containment gap they found (and I suspect caused) when replacing the steam generators in 2009
[03:48] <cyberanger> Crystal River had a kinda unique design, the containment walls allways have rebar, but crystal river also had steel tension wires too, further protection
[03:48] <chris4585> cyberanger, you remember the coal plant accident right after christmas about 3 years ago in roane county?
[03:49] <chris4585> that was pretty crazy.. it was literally 15min drive from my house
[03:49] <cyberanger> but when they cut a hole to replace the steam generators, they cut the tension cable, when the tension left, I think that triggered a shift, creating the small holes
[03:49] <cyberanger> the coal ash spill, not a good day for sure
[03:50] <cyberanger> oh, no, that's too recent
[03:50] <chris4585> yeah that was pretty bad, I've been within 500 ft of ash area before it happened and it was beautiful
[03:50] <cyberanger> I guess that was Dec. 2008
[03:51] <chris4585> around there
[03:51] <chris4585> it was the 26th if I remember right...
[03:51] <chris4585> or 24th
[03:51] <cyberanger> 22nd or earlier
[03:51] <cyberanger> hit the news on the 22nd
[03:51] <chris4585> I knew it was close to there
[03:53] <cyberanger> that's part of our problem
[03:54] <cyberanger> people allways cite nuclear's lack of storage or any way to deal with the waste really
[03:54] <cyberanger> but coal ash is the same way
[03:54] <cyberanger> solar is rare, too small still
[03:54] <cyberanger> geothermal isn't that big here (could be though)
[03:55] <cyberanger> and hydro can't do it all
[03:58] <cyberanger> there is no power without a downside
[03:59] <cyberanger> I'm just glad MTR mining is being stopped
[03:59] <cyberanger> it's progress
[04:03] <chris4585> cyberanger, personally.. as a civilization I believe we are doing pretty shitty considering our intelligence is high enough to choose cleaner technologies, but we choose not to
[04:04] <cyberanger> cleaner isn't clean
[04:04] <cyberanger> I agree, but keep that in mind
[04:05] <cyberanger> I'd goto solar here (well, maybe not here, exactly, too much shade) or setup wind at my folks
[04:06] <cyberanger> the thing is, it's dark at night, my folks have high winds, to the point of bypassing the generators to avoid damage
[04:06] <cyberanger> which means connecting battries to the system
[04:07] <cyberanger> between the construction components, the battries acid levels
[04:07] <cyberanger> and hydro floods areas as a river is dammed up
[04:07] <chris4585> yes wind was what I was thinking about, but off watermill technology I think could also work well..
[04:08] <cyberanger> and damns can burst, it has destroyed wild life has their ecosystem changes overnight
[04:09] <cyberanger> current grid design, current ideas of giant plants, that's gotta stop first
[04:10] <cyberanger> we'd have to switch to a system where operators of the grid could remotely manipulate a MAINS switch, for line repair (doable in theroy with some of the mesh networking tests being done for  smart grid technology)
[04:11] <cyberanger> and every 5 houses in a rual area, ever 15 in a city could generate
[04:12] <chris4585> I like the idea of selling my energy (solar power) to the grid
[04:12] <cyberanger> that wouldn't perfectly offset everything, but we might as well use the hydro we have already, and keep some stations on standby, in case
[04:13] <cyberanger> chris4585: the flaw in that is the hazards to linemen currently, if your generating enough to sell, and don't disconnect from the grid while they're doing repair
[04:13] <cyberanger> they can easily mistake a hot wire for a dead line
[04:14] <cyberanger> thus that remote signal
[04:14] <chris4585> then why not just send out a signal to turn off the line?
[04:15] <cyberanger> and the power needed for that is so low, that could easily be a 12vdc car battery and a 20 watt solar power, set to allways be off grid, power fails, it defaults to disconnecting from the grid
[04:15] <cyberanger> current grid design had the utilities in full control, that's what they did
[04:16] <cyberanger> unfortunately, current design is from the 1950's
[04:17] <chris4585> my point is, we're not cavemen anymore, why are we still stuck in this painfully slow era where politics means everything?  my point from earlier was humanity makes me sad
[04:17] <cyberanger> well, becuase everything is politics, yeah, sad
[04:19] <cyberanger> we're making progress, unfortunately, not at the rate that we wired this country the 1st time
[04:27] <cyberanger> I'd like to get a dual system here, but not sell to the grid
[04:27] <cyberanger> just use as much power off grid as I can, buy from the grid
[04:27] <cyberanger> I'm not on coal power here, hydro and nuclear
[04:28] <cyberanger> so I can see trying not to use the grid, but given some constraints here, the heat and ac, water heater and fridge would probally have to stay on the grid
[04:29] <cyberanger> my computers could be all offgrid
[04:29] <chris4585> cyberanger, what if the solar panels became cheaper?
[04:30] <cyberanger> cheaper to buy, still the problem of apartment lifestyle, and the production of them not being too clean
[04:30] <cyberanger> but when I move, get a house, I see it more likely that I could run everything on solar
[04:30] <cyberanger> but I'd like a dual option
[04:31] <cyberanger> wind and solar perhaps
[04:33] <cyberanger> I dunno if I would sell to the grid (opting to just insure I don't have to buy from it)
[04:38] <cyberanger> if I didn't have access to the grid, say a remote part of montana, or the grid was small (like the alaskan bush, where only the town is connected) I'd have a dual system, wind and solar, on battries, and a diesel generator
[04:38] <cyberanger> insure I could stay running long term
[04:41] <cyberanger> I'd sell to the grid once everyone was running a smart grid system that'd make it safe for a lineman
[06:32] <chibihogoshino> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews
[06:52] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: ^^
[06:52] <cyberanger> lol
[06:53] <cyberanger> saw it 20 minutes ago ;-)
[06:53] <chibihogoshino> where
[06:53] <chibihogoshino> i just got home
[06:54] <cyberanger> (and I think you sent it yesterday too, perhaps, seen mutiple ustream.tv links from mutiple people, relating to this)
[06:54] <cyberanger> well, you pinged me 20 minutes and 22 seconds afterwords
[06:54] <chibihogoshino> this is live tho
[06:55] <chibihogoshino> from japan .. i didnt know if you were watching it or not
[06:55] <cyberanger> true, but it's hit a point where I'm mostly focused on the reactor site north of toyko
[06:55] <cyberanger> just cause japan allways has live news
[06:55] <cyberanger> and I gotta look at the middle east too
[06:56] <cyberanger> libya, iran, iraq
[18:15] <wrst> another exciting day