[00:36] chibihogoshino it is a might dead today but been too pretty out to be trapped inside [01:09] lol [01:09] i dont know what outside it [01:10] ha ha chibihogoshino you should really give it a try its nice [01:10] to many people are outside [01:11] not if you find the right spots :) [01:12] spot of outside with no people.. i dont believe it [01:15] you must be in a city chibihogoshino there are spots like that everywhere! [01:15] lol calling knoxville a city [01:15] that's a city to me [01:16] hehe [01:21] really [01:34] http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1892.html [01:34] before and after photo of sendai japan [01:37] wow chibihogoshino :\ [01:37] at the bottom you can get a full res photo [01:39] yeah that's awful deal [01:40] yeah [03:00] and the plant there has a serious leak [03:01] compared to what they're saying [03:12] cyberanger you will be happy to know I now have quassel on my android [03:12] serious radiation leak not good at all [03:12] wrst: depends, is it alpha quality [03:13] hmm alpha or pre alpha. using quasseldroid [03:13] but a new Dec crew has been making strides on it [03:13] wrst, later tonight I'm going to download alpha 3 and install it on a extra computer :D [03:14] I really want to try unity on something besides virtualbox.. [03:14] I need a tab key [03:14] its pretty good now chrris4585 [03:14] wrst: yeah, the 1st loop (normally closed) vented steam into the containment chamber, raising the chamber's pressure to double the limits of it's design [03:15] so they released some steam outside into the air [03:15] but that fails to explain caesium [03:16] which could be due to the fuel rods breaking down, so they might have had a meltdown and breach [03:16] oh not good [03:17] well, if they weren't detecting caesium, it's just minimal short lived isotopes like nitogen-16, which is ok, short lived [03:18] they've detected and failed to explain caesium release [03:18] which makes me wonder [03:19] at least it wasn't an RBMK-1000 design, like chernobyl [03:19] becuase it probally would have blown [03:19] yes [03:19] 3MI was a meltdown, and it held [03:20] so this might be a small step up [03:20] you know your nuclear reactors cyberanger [03:21] indeed [03:21] ever since I did a paper on it back in High School, it's been an area of study I suppose [03:23] and you aren't terribly far from one yourself [03:23] yeah, 11 miles, 19.5km [03:24] and I'd be part of the evac plans, via ARES [03:24] if something were to happen [03:24] well goodnight everyone [03:25] * wrst heads to bed early due to the government clock tinkering [03:25] wrst: night [03:25] lol [03:25] night cyberanger, chris4585 [03:26] g'night wrst [03:26] cyberanger, I'm about 15 - 20 miles from a nuclear power plant [03:29] chris4585: crystal river? [03:31] crystal river energy complex? [03:35] cyberanger, yep [03:36] thought so, other two (out of three) are south of miami [03:36] its funny because from the local beach, you can see the plant off to the side [03:36] ah [03:36] so wait in FL there are only 3 nuclear power plants? [03:37] well, sites, 2 reactors at Turkey Point, in Flordia City [03:38] one reactor at Crystal River, shared with 4 coal [03:38] ah [03:38] and 2 more reactors at St. Lucie [03:38] I have no idea where any of those are lol except crystal river [03:38] which is in port St. Lucie [03:39] Flordia City is in Miami-Dade county, south of Miami [03:40] ah [03:41] and port St. Lucie is actually north of west palm beach by roughly 50 miles [03:41] we often go to Ft. Lauderdale / Miami for my step dad's family [03:43] the plant itself is 45 miles from west palm beach's airport [03:43] Flordia City is between Miami and Key Largo, been there myself once then [03:46] I wonder if the NRC ever figured out the cause of the containment gap they found (and I suspect caused) when replacing the steam generators in 2009 [03:48] Crystal River had a kinda unique design, the containment walls allways have rebar, but crystal river also had steel tension wires too, further protection [03:48] cyberanger, you remember the coal plant accident right after christmas about 3 years ago in roane county? [03:49] that was pretty crazy.. it was literally 15min drive from my house [03:49] but when they cut a hole to replace the steam generators, they cut the tension cable, when the tension left, I think that triggered a shift, creating the small holes [03:49] the coal ash spill, not a good day for sure [03:50] oh, no, that's too recent [03:50] yeah that was pretty bad, I've been within 500 ft of ash area before it happened and it was beautiful [03:50] I guess that was Dec. 2008 [03:51] around there [03:51] it was the 26th if I remember right... [03:51] or 24th [03:51] 22nd or earlier [03:51] hit the news on the 22nd [03:51] I knew it was close to there [03:53] that's part of our problem [03:54] people allways cite nuclear's lack of storage or any way to deal with the waste really [03:54] but coal ash is the same way [03:54] solar is rare, too small still [03:54] geothermal isn't that big here (could be though) [03:55] and hydro can't do it all [03:58] there is no power without a downside [03:59] I'm just glad MTR mining is being stopped [03:59] it's progress [04:03] cyberanger, personally.. as a civilization I believe we are doing pretty shitty considering our intelligence is high enough to choose cleaner technologies, but we choose not to [04:04] cleaner isn't clean [04:04] I agree, but keep that in mind [04:05] I'd goto solar here (well, maybe not here, exactly, too much shade) or setup wind at my folks [04:06] the thing is, it's dark at night, my folks have high winds, to the point of bypassing the generators to avoid damage [04:06] which means connecting battries to the system [04:07] between the construction components, the battries acid levels [04:07] and hydro floods areas as a river is dammed up [04:07] yes wind was what I was thinking about, but off watermill technology I think could also work well.. [04:08] and damns can burst, it has destroyed wild life has their ecosystem changes overnight [04:09] current grid design, current ideas of giant plants, that's gotta stop first [04:10] we'd have to switch to a system where operators of the grid could remotely manipulate a MAINS switch, for line repair (doable in theroy with some of the mesh networking tests being done for smart grid technology) [04:11] and every 5 houses in a rual area, ever 15 in a city could generate [04:12] I like the idea of selling my energy (solar power) to the grid [04:12] that wouldn't perfectly offset everything, but we might as well use the hydro we have already, and keep some stations on standby, in case [04:13] chris4585: the flaw in that is the hazards to linemen currently, if your generating enough to sell, and don't disconnect from the grid while they're doing repair [04:13] they can easily mistake a hot wire for a dead line [04:14] thus that remote signal [04:14] then why not just send out a signal to turn off the line? [04:15] and the power needed for that is so low, that could easily be a 12vdc car battery and a 20 watt solar power, set to allways be off grid, power fails, it defaults to disconnecting from the grid [04:15] current grid design had the utilities in full control, that's what they did [04:16] unfortunately, current design is from the 1950's [04:17] my point is, we're not cavemen anymore, why are we still stuck in this painfully slow era where politics means everything? my point from earlier was humanity makes me sad [04:17] well, becuase everything is politics, yeah, sad [04:19] we're making progress, unfortunately, not at the rate that we wired this country the 1st time [04:27] I'd like to get a dual system here, but not sell to the grid [04:27] just use as much power off grid as I can, buy from the grid [04:27] I'm not on coal power here, hydro and nuclear [04:28] so I can see trying not to use the grid, but given some constraints here, the heat and ac, water heater and fridge would probally have to stay on the grid [04:29] my computers could be all offgrid [04:29] cyberanger, what if the solar panels became cheaper? [04:30] cheaper to buy, still the problem of apartment lifestyle, and the production of them not being too clean [04:30] but when I move, get a house, I see it more likely that I could run everything on solar [04:30] but I'd like a dual option [04:31] wind and solar perhaps [04:33] I dunno if I would sell to the grid (opting to just insure I don't have to buy from it) [04:38] if I didn't have access to the grid, say a remote part of montana, or the grid was small (like the alaskan bush, where only the town is connected) I'd have a dual system, wind and solar, on battries, and a diesel generator [04:38] insure I could stay running long term [04:41] I'd sell to the grid once everyone was running a smart grid system that'd make it safe for a lineman [06:32] http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews [06:52] cyberanger: ^^ [06:52] lol [06:53] saw it 20 minutes ago ;-) [06:53] where [06:53] i just got home [06:54] (and I think you sent it yesterday too, perhaps, seen mutiple ustream.tv links from mutiple people, relating to this) [06:54] well, you pinged me 20 minutes and 22 seconds afterwords [06:54] this is live tho [06:55] from japan .. i didnt know if you were watching it or not [06:55] true, but it's hit a point where I'm mostly focused on the reactor site north of toyko [06:55] just cause japan allways has live news [06:55] and I gotta look at the middle east too [06:56] libya, iran, iraq [18:15] another exciting day