[14:00] Good morning [16:56] charlie-tca, re: the conversation about wallpaper changes: sorry to say it, but i think the argument had more to do with personal issues than the actual wallpaper changing. i'm trying to stay objective, and i understand the new version was a clear departure from the original proposal. however, without those changes, i really can't see how one could have improved the wall, thus rendering the one week of time to finish off the design useless. [16:58] The conversion has to do with insisting on placing it here for reviews [16:59] i'm sorry then if i did show anything in advance then! [16:59] there is no other reason to have it announced here than to have it looked at [16:59] the reason was to tell you before that i had made some notable changes, and i wanted you to seem them [17:00] honestly, there is nothing stopping from other artists to come up here and show the improved versions as well [17:00] and without feedback, i don't think artists can do much to improve their work [17:00] other than the belief that if 28 artists do that, it would not be so good? [17:00] i'm not sure if you want us to discuss the changes in the artwork/themes here or not? [17:01] That feed back is why there was a lengthy period to do your design. [17:02] I never would want every artist submitting a design to come here and ask for direct feedback, especially when there is an open invitation to submit artwork [17:02] sure. but i also proposed the 1 week added length to be able to gather even more feedback [17:02] Actually, you proposed that to allow yourself time to do what you put off for months [17:02] i'm sorry, but again i think this is getting personal [17:03] let's try to be objective [17:03] by what means is the other artist not able to come here and ask for feedback? [17:04] why isn't artists allowed to ask for feedback (or just plainly show progress), since it's only xubuntu who is gaining on improvement? [17:04] does somebody lose something, if artists try to make their designs as good as possible? [17:05] how does it differ if i ask #shimmer and 100 other friends on how to improve the design from asking here? [17:05] Why don't you do it the way the other artists did it? As in the community artwork areas? [17:06] i didn't know it was forbidden to work on irc [17:06] i didn't know you didn't want to hear about changes i did. [17:06] if it's about that, i'm sorry to have told you i did changes, seriously. [17:07] if i do more changes, i'm sure not to tell you. [17:07] is that what you are striving for? [17:20] charlie-tca, ? [17:21] discussion is over [17:22] i'm sorry if i broke the rules somehow [17:23] i'm also sorry, but the situation and the tension between you and me won't get better, if you childishly decline to discuss anything with me. [17:24] okay