[14:00] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[16:56] <knome> charlie-tca, re: the conversation about wallpaper changes: sorry to say it, but i think the argument had more to do with personal issues than the actual wallpaper changing. i'm trying to stay objective, and i understand the new version was a clear departure from the original proposal. however, without those changes, i really can't see how one could have improved the wall, thus rendering the one week of time to finish off the design useless.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> The conversion has to do with insisting on placing it here for reviews
[16:59] <knome> i'm sorry then if i did show anything in advance then!
[16:59] <charlie-tca> there is no other reason to have it announced here than to have it looked at
[16:59] <knome> the reason was to tell you before that i had made some notable changes, and i wanted you to seem them
[17:00] <knome> honestly, there is nothing stopping from other artists to come up here and show the improved versions as well
[17:00] <knome> and without feedback, i don't think artists can do much to improve their work
[17:00] <charlie-tca> other than the belief that if 28 artists do that, it would not be so good?
[17:00] <knome> i'm not sure if you want us to discuss the changes in the artwork/themes here or not?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> That feed back is why there was a lengthy period to do your design.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> I never would want every artist submitting a design to come here and ask for direct feedback, especially when there is an open invitation to submit artwork
[17:02] <knome> sure. but i also proposed the 1 week added length to be able to gather even more feedback
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Actually, you proposed that to allow yourself time to do what you put off for months
[17:02] <knome> i'm sorry, but again i think this is getting personal
[17:03] <knome> let's try to be objective
[17:03] <knome> by what means is the other artist not able to come here and ask for feedback?
[17:04] <knome> why isn't artists allowed to ask for feedback (or just plainly show progress), since it's only xubuntu who is gaining on improvement?
[17:04] <knome> does somebody lose something, if artists try to make their designs as good as possible?
[17:05] <knome> how does it differ if i ask #shimmer and 100 other friends on how to improve the design from asking here?
[17:05] <charlie-tca> Why don't you do it the way the other artists did it? As in the community artwork areas?
[17:06] <knome> i didn't know it was forbidden to work on irc
[17:06] <knome> i didn't know you didn't want to hear about changes i did.
[17:06] <knome> if it's about that, i'm sorry to have told you i did changes, seriously.
[17:07] <knome> if i do more changes, i'm sure not to tell you.
[17:07] <knome> is that what you are striving for?
[17:20] <knome> charlie-tca, ?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> discussion is over
[17:22] <knome> i'm sorry if i broke the rules somehow
[17:23] <knome> i'm also sorry, but the situation and the tension between you and me won't get better, if you childishly decline to discuss anything with me.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> okay