[00:01] <Kilian]> does anyone know something about the ubuntu one click button ? we have one and want to add a repository there (www.unknown-horizons.org) ive heard we have to be added i a whitelist, is that true, and who is maintaining this list ?
[04:47] <greggory-hz> So I'm looking to get involved in Ubuntu development (specifically Unity). Looking through the "bitesize" bugs, I came across "Search cursor in Unity's Dash, File Places and Application Places search field should blink on focus" https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/730273 (I figured this is as good a place as any to start getting familiar) .... I've been looking through the unity source for a bit, but I can't seem where to find
[04:47] <greggory-hz> the code related to this, would anyone be able to nudge me in the right direction?
[04:57] <jbicha> how about src/PlacesSearchBar.cpp ?
[04:59] <jbicha> but I don't know if that's the file you need
[06:06] <kklimonda> how do emblems on the launchers look like?
[06:33] <kklimonda> god, I have an issue and I have no idea how to summarize it for the bug title.
[06:35] <kklimonda> when I set a window to take part of the workspace, and make it touch one of the desktop's edges I can't switch back to it from another workspace using launcher.
[06:35] <kklimonda> the window is moved a bit instead, and it ends up between workspaces.
[06:36] <kklimonda> this also leads me to the second bug - even if a small part of application's window is visible on the current workspace Unity/compiz won't switch you to the workspace where the major part of the window is.
[06:37] <kklimonda> instead the window gets the focus, but is not visible because there is only a pixel or so of it on the current workspace..
[07:57] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[08:03] <didrocks> good morning
[08:10] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:17] <kklimonda> wow, compiz just died.. because it ran out of memory
[08:38] <kklimonda> and it happened again - it leakes over 3GB of memory in 20 minutes..
[09:35] <Guest4630> Hi! How can I set an icon for my app in the Unity panel? :) Thanks in advance!
[09:36] <Guest4630> Is get from .desktop file?
[09:37] <RAOF> Yes.
[09:40] <Guest4630> RAOF: Thanks. I have a 48x48 image now. If I put more icons in the other folders (64x64, 128x128...) Unity will search a better resolution? or will be get the .desktop file?
[09:40] <klattimer> Guest4630: try and use an 'icon name' rather than a png and add the files to the hi-color theme in various sizes e.g. 22,24,32,48 pixels as it'll look sharp at any size
[09:41] <Guest4630> thanks klattimer ;)
[09:41] <Guest4630> I'll tray!
[09:41] <klattimer> Guest4630: http://library.gnome.org/devel/icon-naming-spec/
[09:43] <Guest4630> klattimer: great support :) thanks very much!
[09:43] <klattimer> yw
[09:48] <Kaleo> kamstrup: hi
[09:49] <Kaleo> kamstrup: I think the files daemon is/was sending back results belonging to group UnityEmptySearchRenderer in the global results when no results are found
[09:50] <Kaleo> kamstrup: I think it would be simpler if it were not (and it would match the behaviour of the applications place)
[09:50] <kamstrup> Kaleo: agreed
[09:51] <kamstrup> Kaleo: i'll open a bug and fix it for this Thursday
[09:51] <Kaleo> kamstrup: awesome
[09:52] <Kaleo> kamstrup: that will remove 20 lines of my code :)
[09:52] <Kaleo> kamstrup: 12 lines of which are a comment to explain the purpose of the code :)
[09:54] <kamstrup> Kaleo: lol - anything for you man :-)
[10:14] <Kaleo> didrocks: about bug 734740
[10:14] <Kaleo> didrocks: you wrote In the next release, the "Search command" entry will be really small
[10:14] <Kaleo> (few pixels), with only the search entry, I think that will address it.
[10:15] <Kaleo> didrocks: does it mean you are changing the string? or the size of the font? or both?
[10:15] <didrocks> Kaleo: just the size of the dash
[10:15] <Kaleo> didrocks: hmm, are you going to show only the search box?
[10:16] <didrocks> Kaleo: by default yes, we get that for free from neil's work (the dash adapt its size to its content now)
[10:17] <Kaleo> didrocks: but the the "command" place entry has none empty content (commands history)
[10:17] <didrocks> Kaleo: we don't show commands history before the first search
[10:17] <Kaleo> didrocks: is that a change in the applications place that has not been released?
[10:17] <didrocks> Kaleo: which one?
[10:18] <Kaleo> didrocks: cause I observe a different behaviour here
[10:18] <Kaleo> "we don't show commands history before the first search" this one
[10:18] <didrocks> no, it's already the case
[10:18] <njpatel> I see that too
[10:18] <njpatel> it's like the model doesn't get updated until you send a search through
[10:18] <Kaleo> njpatel: you mean you concur with me or didrocks?
[10:18] <didrocks> njpatel: well, it's done on purpose in fact, to be able to get just a "run comman" first
[10:19] <didrocks> (and so, the be different from the "dash" as it seems people feels it's similar)
[10:22] <Kaleo> didrocks: note that last time I checked the design, the dash's home screen is minimized by default
[10:22] <Kaleo> didrocks: meaning if you click the Ubuntu button you only get a search box
[10:23] <didrocks> Kaleo: you still have "shortcuts" entry, isn't it?
[10:23] <Kaleo> didrocks: yes, there is a shortcuts button, that clicked will unfold the dahs
[10:23] <Kaleo> dash
[10:24] <didrocks> so alt + F2 doesn't have it. Then, I think people triggering this knows that they will do something different from the dash
[10:24] <didrocks> but well, if it's still not obvious by next release, I'll reask some design input then
[10:25] <njpatel> Kaleo, with you
[10:25] <Kaleo> njpatel: ok
[10:25] <Kaleo> didrocks: so to be clear, alt+f2 shows an unfolded dash today
[10:25] <didrocks> did you try on a fresh startup?
[10:26] <Kaleo> didrocks: no
[10:26] <didrocks> seems like you restarted with an old model
[10:26] <njpatel> Kaleo, I fixed that over the weekend in Unity
[10:26] <Kaleo> didrocks: lets kill the daemon
[10:26] <njpatel> it shows up small now
[10:26] <njpatel> (still need to merge propose)
[10:26] <didrocks> Kaleo: kill the daemon and then, restart unity
[10:26] <Kaleo> njpatel: for the home screen you mean? or in general when there is no search result?
[10:27] <njpatel> both
[10:27] <njpatel> hold up
[10:27] <njpatel> Kaleo, actually
[10:27] <njpatel> Kaleo, home screen, global search and alt+f2, if your in a an actual place, then I leave it expanded
[10:28] <njpatel> http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/dash-resizing.ogv
[10:29] <didrocks> njpatel: hence my point, that will "somewhat" fix bug #734740, what do you think?
[10:29] <njpatel> didrocks, oh, yeah, it feels different
[10:29] <njpatel> didrocks, also we need to fix the text so it says "Run a command", right?
[10:31] <Kaleo> njpatel: the behaviour sounds good
[10:31] <Kaleo> njpatel: now how did you achieve that? did you special case hard code the alt+f2 case?
[10:32] <didrocks> njpatel: well, do you think it's needed?
[10:32] <didrocks> I have no strong opinion
[10:32] <didrocks> njpatel: I can do it if needed (do you prefer subclassing the Dash class?)
[10:33] <didrocks> or adding a new entry in the .place file to override the command title?
[10:33] <njpatel> Kaleo, yeah I check the ID of the entry for altf2. It sucks but it is a special case
[10:33] <Kaleo> njpatel: I would think a key in the service file could hint on the default behaviour
[10:34] <Kaleo> didrocks: how do we manage translations of the search box instructions?
[10:35] <didrocks> Kaleo: Basically, I think it's wrong, we have "Search" and "Place name" IIRC
[10:35] <didrocks> should be only one already
[10:35] <dbarth> apinheiro, rodrigo_: hey guys, quick check, what are the places / nux / whatever things still blocking you on your on bugs?
[10:35] <Kaleo> didrocks: right
[10:35] <dbarth> apinheiro, rodrigo_: as it's monday, i want to make sure that those get resolved early in the week to let you continue fixing things
[10:35] <Kaleo> didrocks: what about we remove the "Search" altogether that is hardcoded in the UI
[10:36] <Kaleo> didrocks: and then we let the place entry decide
[10:36] <Kaleo> didrocks: probably from the .place file
[10:36] <didrocks> njpatel: thought? ^^
[10:36] <didrocks> would make sense to me
[10:36] <didrocks> can handle that if needed
[10:36] <apinheiro> dbarth, Im more focused on those two bugs we were talking about, so in relation to the places I can't say if there is any blocker
[10:36] <apinheiro> I hope that not
[10:37] <apinheiro> although I was testing the dash keyboard navigation these days
[10:37] <apinheiro> and it seems better
[10:37] <Kaleo> didrocks: I think it's the only way to make proper l10n possible
[10:37] <njpatel> didrocks, yeah, that's fine, tell kamstrup  :)
[10:37] <Kaleo> :)
[10:38] <didrocks> kamstrup: I'll do a small change in places and unity so that the .places file decide what to put in the "search" entry
[10:38] <didrocks> will help l10n and altF2
[10:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: we need a bug report and an update to the spec, do you want me to create it?
[10:39] <Kaleo> (the bug report)
[10:39] <kamstrup> didrocks, njpatel, Kaleo: +1
[10:40] <didrocks> Kaleo: i'm updating bug #733897 for that right now :)
[10:40] <didrocks> Kaleo: SearchField= is that ok for you?
[10:40] <didrocks> Kaleo: nice :)
[10:40] <didrocks> kamstrup: nice :)
[10:40] <Kaleo> didrocks: SearchInstructions?
[10:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: I have no strong opinion
[10:41] <didrocks> "Instructions" :/ don't really like this
[10:41] <njpatel> kamstrup, SearchHint?
[10:41] <didrocks> ok, Hint ;)
[10:41] <njpatel> I win
[10:41] <Kaleo> hint is good
[10:41] <njpatel> by proxy of being awesome
[10:41] <didrocks> njpatel: ahah :)
[10:41] <njpatel> it happens, you lot will get there in due course
[10:41]  * njpatel goes back to being awesome
[10:41]  * didrocks hugs njpatel
[10:41] <Kaleo> njpatel: yeah do that, and fix bugs too :)
[10:42]  * njpatel gives back an awesome hug to didrocks 
[10:42] <njpatel> Kaleo, bug fixing is awesome, so I shall do that
[10:42] <njpatel> but first, I need to do tech lead duties and round up the troops
[10:49] <rodrigo_> dbarth, not blocked on anything, just fixing my bugs now
[10:51] <Kaleo> didrocks: task assigned to nerochiaro who will take care of it this week
[10:52] <didrocks> Kaleo: ok, great! :)
[10:52] <didrocks> I already committed and pushed the places
[10:52] <didrocks> will do the unity part later
[10:54] <Kaleo> didrocks: thanks
[10:54] <Kaleo> didrocks: don't forget the spec :)
[10:55] <didrocks> Kaleo: yeah, on it ;)
[11:03] <ronoc> mpt, here
[11:03] <mpt> yo
[11:04] <ronoc> mpt, yeah its a funny one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/733285
[11:27] <coz_>   hey all
[13:04] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/EwBjU.png   > this could be a bug ? what title can i suggeste in launchpad?
[13:05] <humphreybc> njpatel, hi
[13:05] <smspillaz> hi humphreybc
[13:05] <smspillaz> seems like the invisible window bug you're getting right ?
[13:05] <njpatel> humphreybc, hey
[13:06] <njpatel> thanks for joining
[13:06] <humphreybc> smspillaz: You got a link to the bug report?
[13:06] <humphreybc> I'll read the description and see if it matches
[13:06] <smspillaz> bug 709461
[13:06] <smspillaz> the imfamous one which I spent 14 hours straight trying to fix :/
[13:06]  * smspillaz haet x11
[13:07] <smspillaz> If you have a window or a method that seems to particularly tickle it, that would be great to find out
[13:07] <smspillaz> since I cannot reproduce it at all
[13:07] <humphreybc> smspillaz: yeah, that seems to be it
[13:07] <smspillaz> ok, please comment on the bug report anything you know about it
[13:07] <smspillaz> also
[13:07] <smspillaz> xwininfo -root -tree
[13:07] <humphreybc> most often the "window will open in the top left corner with top deco buried" is apport
[13:07] <smspillaz> xwininfo on the "dead area"
[13:07] <kklimonda> smspillaz: how did that become an issue in Unity when it wasn't one before?
[13:07] <smspillaz> and wmctrl -l
[13:07] <smspillaz> kklimonda: it's a race condition in X11
[13:08] <humphreybc> and usually it's apport telling me compiz has crashed
[13:08] <smspillaz> basically it happens when windows appear and disappear before we get time to catch them
[13:08] <smspillaz> humphreybc: ok, interesting
[13:08] <humphreybc> smspillaz: so that's the reason why I couldn't interact with some parts of Unity, because the invisible window was stealing focus?
[13:08] <njpatel> smspillaz, it's flipping apport's window isn't it?
[13:08] <kklimonda> smspillaz: btw, I have two bugs I don't know how to report, or rather how to describe for the summary
[13:08] <humphreybc> And hence why indicators worked, because they are window independent
[13:09] <kklimonda> smspillaz: http://pastebin.com/0sSVP2ZJ - it also makes it hard to look for duplicate s:)
[13:09] <smspillaz> humphreybc: no, rather the window doesn't get managed since what is happening is that the window gets unmanaged compiz side (eg compiz doesn't know about it) and then shoved into the top right hand corner
[13:09] <smspillaz> it's an incredibly annoying race condition
[13:10] <humphreybc> heh
[13:10] <humphreybc> njpatel: I take it you're running Unity?
[13:10] <humphreybc> up to date
[13:10] <njpatel> yep
[13:10] <humphreybc> Alt + F2
[13:10] <humphreybc> type "ubuntu-bug"
[13:10] <humphreybc> hit enter.
[13:10] <humphreybc> Does CCSM launch?
[13:10] <njpatel> humphreybc, no, but it's because i fixed that bug yesterday :)
[13:11] <smspillaz> humphreybc: note it all down in the bug report
[13:11] <smspillaz> humphreybc: I haven't got time to look at it *right now* but I'll get on to it ASAP (I'm also a full time student and only work part time)
[13:11] <humphreybc> smspillaz: Okay, I'll do some more playing around tomorrow to see if I can actually figure out what's causing it to happen
[13:11] <smspillaz> coolio, thanks heaps
[13:11] <njpatel> smspillaz, apport?
[13:11] <smspillaz> I will buy you cookies at UDS
[13:11] <smspillaz> njpatel: apport doesn't do it for me
[13:12] <humphreybc> hah, that's if I get sponsored :)
[13:12] <njpatel> smspillaz, alrighty
[13:12] <humphreybc> how can I force compiz to crash?
[13:13] <smspillaz> humphreybc: well, you won't see invisible windows in that case ;-)
[13:13] <njpatel> enable a plugin and unity plugin will crash compiz
[13:13] <smspillaz> humphreybc: kill -SEGV will do it though
[13:13] <smspillaz> killall -SIGSEGV compiz
[13:14] <humphreybc> So the three times I've had this happen so far: 1) Talking on IRC with Joey, 2) Trying to launch that video I recorded on my phone in Totem by double clicking it in Nautilus and 3) Taking a screenshot by pressing the PRTSC key then waiting while nothing happened for 10 minutes, then screenshot window appears randomly
[13:14] <smspillaz> what were you doing immediately before you did any of those ?
[13:14] <smspillaz> fun
[13:15] <humphreybc> Sorry, crashed compiz
[13:15] <smspillaz> screen+irssi == win :)
[13:15] <humphreybc> Umm.. Not sure. Just on Twitter. I'll try to reproduce tomorrow
[13:15] <smspillaz> thanks
[13:16] <humphreybc> Any idea why Chromium tabs weren't recognizing mouse clicks?
[13:16] <humphreybc> is that related?
[13:16] <njpatel> humphreybc, what graphics card do you have?
[13:16] <humphreybc> (I take it you watched my mayday video)
[13:16] <smspillaz> humphreybc: same issue
[13:16] <humphreybc> njpatel: on this laptop, an ATI Radeon HD2600
[13:16] <njpatel> hmm, interesting
[13:16] <njpatel> humphreybc, and your not getting good crash reports?
[13:16] <humphreybc> so it's... r600 I think? Running whatever drivers Natty comes with by default.
[13:16] <njpatel> radeon
[13:16] <humphreybc> yup
[13:17] <smspillaz> humphreybc: basically the invisible window is actually stacked on top X side
[13:17] <smspillaz> humphreybc: oh, when it happens
[13:17] <smspillaz> I absolutely need you to send me three things
[13:17] <smspillaz> 1) xwininfo -root -tree
[13:17]  * humphreybc gets out a postit
[13:17] <smspillaz> 2) xwininfo *click on the "dead area"*
[13:17] <smspillaz> 3) wmctrl -l
[13:17] <humphreybc> ok
[13:17] <smspillaz> if I know that, then I'll know where to start looking
[13:18] <humphreybc> cool
[13:19] <humphreybc> oh you guys know Nautilus crashes all the time, right?
[13:20] <njpatel> Nope, dude wtf is going on with your system? :)
[13:20] <njpatel> humphreybc, are all these crashes producing reports?
[13:20] <humphreybc> seriously, every time I open a nautilus window and close it, it crashes and reloads
[13:20] <njpatel> and you have crash reports?
[13:20] <humphreybc> njpatel: where should I be looking for reports? It's been... at least 12 months since I ever actually did any bug reporting.
[13:21] <njpatel> humphreybc, you should be getting the window that says something crashed and asks if you want to report it
[13:21] <humphreybc> Apport isn't doing much, no
[13:21] <humphreybc> nope, that's not happening at all
[13:21] <njpatel> didrocks, how can we make sure apport is working?
[13:21] <humphreybc> the Nautilus thing is super reproducible though :)
[13:21] <njpatel> if we could get traces for the unity crashes then we'd have a chance of fixing
[13:21] <tedg> njpatel, kill -SSEGV 1
[13:22]  * tedg is sad no one logged out
[13:22] <njpatel> hehe
[13:22] <njpatel> no one trusts you
[13:22] <humphreybc> lol
[13:23] <njpatel> humphreybc, ls /var/crash
[13:24] <humphreybc> njpatel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/580123/
[13:25] <njpatel> alrighty so you have some crash report
[13:25] <njpatel> reports*
[13:25] <njpatel> seb128, what can we do with /var/crash reports to make them useful again? I've forgotten :/
[13:25] <tedg> njpatel, I think you can upload them to LP.
[13:25] <humphreybc> yay! I just launched Software Center and got an Apport window :)
[13:25] <tedg> njpatel, Worse case you can turn them into backtraces.
[13:26] <smspillaz> yeah sw center is a bit crashy right now
[13:26]  * humphreybc sends the complete report at a whopping 34mb
[13:26] <njpatel> tedg, turning them into backtraces would be nice
[13:26] <tedg> njpatel, pastebin being slow... just a sec.
[13:26] <didrocks> njpatel: seems that apport doesn't popup anymore, got that as well…
[13:27] <njpatel> great
[13:27] <tedg> njpatel, humphreybc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/580124/
[13:27] <didrocks> njpatel: basically, rm /var/crash/*compiz*
[13:27] <didrocks> make it crash
[13:27] <didrocks> then, apport-bug -c /var/crach/*compiz*
[13:27] <njpatel> humphreybc, ^
[13:27] <humphreybc> okay, two secs
[13:27] <didrocks> so that we are sure the crash is the one you just get :)
[13:27] <njpatel> awesome, thank you
[13:27] <njpatel> humphreybc, thanks for debugging this with us, btw, much appreciated :)
[13:28] <humphreybc> njpatel: no probs
[13:28] <tedg> I find being able to do the backtrace more useful in some cases as the retracers only like the built from archive current versions.  Any dev versions and they won't give a backtrace :(
[13:28] <humphreybc> this is the SC bug I just reported using Apport
[13:28] <humphreybc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/734830
[13:29] <humphreybc> also, screencast of Nautilus crashing: http://www.twitvid.com/AFMZW
[13:29] <humphreybc> njpatel: tedg: didrocks: so what am I doing with that pastebin text?
[13:29] <humphreybc> or am I following didrocks' instructions
[13:30] <njpatel> humphreybc, follow didrocks's instructions please, as that'll get you a bug
[13:30] <njpatel> so we can track
[13:30] <humphreybc> kk
[13:30] <njpatel> ted's instructiions are useful for me :)
[13:30] <didrocks> yeah, it will be retraced, and such :)
[13:30] <didrocks> we get extra candies as well of course :)
[13:31] <humphreybc> so, when you say "make it crash" i'm just... doing what?
[13:31] <humphreybc> I'm waiting for something bad to happen.
[13:31] <njpatel> yeah
[13:31] <humphreybc> I'll try it on Nautilus because that's happening each time
[13:32] <njpatel> look at it ominously
[13:32] <njpatel> I swear earlier in the cycle I sneezed and compiz crashed
[13:32] <njpatel> DBO, !
[13:32] <humphreybc> heh
[13:32] <didrocks> of course, it will only when you try to make it crashes you won't be able, typical :)
[13:32] <humphreybc> "The problem cannot be reported: The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes."
[13:32] <njpatel> wtf
[13:33] <DBO> njpatel, i blame you
[13:33] <didrocks> njpatel: I didn't see a testcase with 1. starts unity 2. sneeze 3. *crash*
[13:33] <didrocks> :)
[13:33] <njpatel> humphreybc, in a terminal do this: killall --9 nautilus; nautilus and then crash it and see what it prints out
[13:33] <njpatel> DBO, double paint? :)
[13:33]  * njpatel wants to use all his monitors
[13:34] <DBO> njpatel, almost, because of the way nux does clipping the original plan got more complicated
[13:34] <DBO> so now I have to do the math manually :P
[13:34] <njpatel> oh noes, does your head hurt?
[13:34] <humphreybc> I get
[13:34] <seb128_> humphreybc, the stacktrace is in the .crash though, you can open the file with an editor and search for it or unpack the .crash
[13:35] <njpatel> DBO, seriously though, sweet, can't wait for that
[13:35] <humphreybc> (nautilus:12009): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_bus_unwatch_name: assertion `watcher_id > 0' failed
[13:35] <njpatel> criticals shouldn't crash
[13:35] <humphreybc> just after I launch nautilus in a terminal
[13:35] <DBO> njpatel, on the upside, we are enabling other major optimizations for intel multi-monitor with nux for free this way
[13:35] <humphreybc> so killall --9 nautilus; nautilus
[13:35] <tedg> G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals
[13:36] <njpatel> DBO, most excellent :)
[13:36] <humphreybc> njpatel: Nice work on Unity multi monitor support, btw. It actually worked for me.
[13:36] <njpatel> humphreybc, and if you run it from a terminal like mentioned and then make it crash, does it print anything out
[13:36] <humphreybc> (I can count the things that work in Unity for me on one hand)
[13:37] <njpatel> humphreybc, sweet, jay did the hard part I did the math :) DBO is going to fix the painting and I'm going to add better panel support in multi-monitor....hopefully all this week ;)
[13:37] <humphreybc> njpatel: let me screencast so you can see exactly what's happening :)
[13:37] <njpatel> humphreybc, coolio
[13:37] <seb128_> the warning is bug #724285
[13:37] <seb128_> but having a stacktrace would be useful on that bug
[13:38] <njpatel> oh, I get the nautilus crash too
[13:38] <njpatel> oh, and then u-w-d crashes
[13:38] <njpatel> what joy
[13:38] <humphreybc> great, that worked just how I wanted. Now to upload the video
[13:41] <jcastro> didrocks: alright! new person over the weekend!
[13:42] <didrocks> jcastro: yeah, I saw that, it's excellent :)
[13:42] <humphreybc> jcastro: where'd s/he come from?
[13:42] <jcastro> no clue yet
[13:42] <jcastro> didrocks: whom shall I poke for a review?
[13:42] <humphreybc> http://www.twitvid.com/VZSNN
[13:43] <didrocks> jcastro: I'll deal with some reviews tomorrow personnally, not sure of gord and njpatel if they get some time before
[13:44]  * humphreybc wonders what else he can crash in natty
[13:44] <jcastro> gord: njpatel: that would be hot if we could get at least the new one out of the way
[13:44] <humphreybc> btw, njpatel, you never replied to my tweet about Cheese being a default app ;)
[13:44] <njpatel> humphreybc, yep, get the same thing, seems like a normal alpha nautilus bug
[13:44] <njpatel> humphreybc, didn't I? I'd love it to :)
[13:44] <humphreybc> I think we should bully Rick and Jason into it.
[13:45] <njpatel> if nothing else the icon on the launcher looks wonderful
[13:45] <njpatel> we did it for UNR I believe
[13:45] <humphreybc> Also, I've never, ever had a problem with it. It even recognized a Microsoft Lifecam!
[13:45] <humphreybc> Yeah, I remember that
[13:45] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:45] <humphreybc> it's like 3.5mb though
[13:45] <zniavre> any way to resize icon on unity-2d launcher please?
[13:45] <humphreybc> so worth it, I reckon
[13:46] <didrocks> humphreybc: raise that at UDS :)
[13:46] <humphreybc> didrocks: Can do
[13:47] <humphreybc> njpatel: What's your startup speed like for Unity?
[13:47] <seb128_> njpatel, there is no normal alpha nautilus bug can you get us a stacktrace?
[13:47] <seb128_> njpatel, nautilus didn't change this cycle since the GNOME version stay the same as in 10.10
[13:47] <humphreybc> I find the initial login quite slow (compared to "Ubuntu Classic Desktop")
[13:48] <njpatel> humphreybc, very fast ,but my system is very fast, we'll be doing performance stuff nearer beta time
[13:48] <kenvandine> lightening fast on my t400
[13:48] <njpatel> seb128_, I can get a trace yeah
[13:48] <tedg> Heh, bazaar is using a bug tag named "ignore"
[13:48] <seb128_> njpatel, thanks
[13:48] <tedg> (they mean the ignore command, but it's still funny)
[13:48] <njpatel> seb128_, but not right now :)
[13:48] <kenvandine> tedg, i bet you have a few with that tag :)
[13:48] <seb128_> njpatel, ...
[13:49]  * humphreybc thinks all Canonical developers should be forced to test on old hardware
[13:49] <tedg> kenvandine, Actually, that's how I saw it! :)
[13:49] <kenvandine> humphreybc, i have a old slow netbook i test with, but didn't notice any slowness at login time last i tried
[13:49] <njpatel> seb128_, you want it now?
[13:49] <njpatel> :)
[13:49] <didrocks> humphreybc: don't worry, I bear that part :)
[13:49] <humphreybc> didrocks: haha
[13:49] <kenvandine> but unity seemed pretty good on it otherwise
[13:49] <njpatel> humphreybc, I have old hardware too, hence I said that it needs work :)
[13:50] <humphreybc> Unity 2D is blazin'
[13:50] <seb128_> njpatel, well I'm curious to know what's going on, several people mentioned random nautilus crash that go away with rebuilds recently
[13:50] <kenvandine> intel classmate, 1st gen ... i945 video
[13:50] <humphreybc> Unity 2D even has a lovely wallpaper fade when you log in
[13:50] <seb128_> njpatel, but no need to be now no
[13:50] <njpatel> seb128_, yep, will do as soon as i have a spare minute
[13:50] <seb128_> njpatel, thanks
[13:50] <seb128_> it's likely ted's fault again
[13:51] <humphreybc> right, off to bed now. Bloody near 3am.
[13:51] <njpatel> humphreybc, that's good, that's what it's for :) Though I'm sure we'll be better on i945 by release
[13:51] <humphreybc> Anyone want to come work at Ohso? I'm interviewing people for jobs tomorrow ;)
[13:51] <njpatel> Is it all web stuff? If so then no ;)
[13:52] <humphreybc> njpatel: Yeah, mainly web stuff
[13:52] <humphreybc> integration with Launchpad and Ask Ubuntu though
[13:52] <humphreybc> fun times :)
[13:52] <njpatel> nice
[13:52] <humphreybc> anyway, I'll jump back in here tomorrow and see how we go with this invisible window
[13:53] <njpatel> coolio, thanks again!
[13:53] <humphreybc> have a swell day, chaps
[13:53] <Cimi> ciao humphreybc :)
[13:55] <njpatel> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/580133/
[13:57] <seb128> njpatel, can you put your stracktace with a comment saying what you do to get the crash on bug #724285
[13:57] <seb128> njpatel, thanks
[14:22] <lamalex> are the indicators freaking out for anyone else?
[14:22] <lamalex> my app menu keeps showing back in the window and the going away
[14:32] <kamstrup> njpatel: ! if you wanna help me quench a long smoldering fire you review https://code.launchpad.net/~kamstrup/unity/localapps/+merge/53248 for me :-)
[14:32] <kamstrup> njpatel: needs wine and u-p-a trunk if you want to test it...
[14:34] <njpatel> kamstrup, alrighty, I'm just testing something major for DBO right now so give me a bit of time :)
[14:34] <kamstrup> njpatel: ok, just keep it on the radar for Thursday, other than that, there's no rush
[14:35] <njpatel> sweet,will do
[14:58] <aruiz> tedg, ping
[14:59] <tedg> Howdy aruiz
[15:01] <aruiz> tedg, for some reason, the menubar doesn't notice when I unregister and register back
[15:01] <aruiz> tedg, install lo-menubar, open a document, hit Ctrl+W and create a document again to see what I mean
[15:02] <aruiz> the items become unsensitive until I focus the window back and forth
[15:02] <czajkowski> ivanka: howdy
[15:02] <czajkowski> iainfarrell: you mentioned the last day something about my circle of friends, if you have a better one, upload it to http://twibbon.com/Search?searchQuery=ubuntu
[15:03] <tedg> aruiz, Hmm, yeah.  It's probably a bug then...
[15:04] <ivanka> czajkowski: hi there
[15:08] <aruiz> tedg, should I file it myself?
[15:08] <tedg> aruiz, Uhm, yeah.  Please do.  Assign to me.  http://launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+filebug
[15:12] <iloveubuntu> hello. everyone!
[15:16] <aruiz> tedg, can't assign to you for some reason
[15:16]  * tedg is impervious to bugs!
[15:16] <tedg> I've been praying for this day to come.
[15:16] <aruiz> hahah
[15:16] <tedg> aruiz, What's the number?
[15:16] <aruiz> #734880
[15:16] <tedg> bug 734880
[15:16] <aruiz> brb
[15:17] <lamalex> apinheiro, >:O
[15:17] <lamalex> you did it again
[15:17] <lamalex> triage the bugs you file for your own work!
[15:17] <apinheiro> lamalex, urgh
[15:17] <apinheiro> sorry
[15:18] <lamalex> it's ok
[15:18] <lamalex> i know you're used to bugzilla :P
[15:18] <apinheiro> lamalex, well afair, on bugzilla you have also all that kind of information
[15:19] <apinheiro> that means that my behaviour would be wrong on both worlds :|
[15:19] <apinheiro> lamalex, triagging my own bugs now
[15:19] <apinheiro> ups
[15:19] <lamalex> yeah but it's standard practice to just leave bugzilla bugs as new forever
[15:19] <apinheiro> lamalex, you already did it
[15:19] <lamalex> :)
[15:19] <apinheiro> lamalex, again, sorry
[15:20] <lamalex> how do i disable a11y
[15:20] <lamalex> i think i accidentally turned it on and it's making unity really unstable
[15:20] <lamalex> apinheiro, do you ever have the indicators constantly reloading?
[15:21] <apinheiro> well, about things going unstable
[15:21] <apinheiro> probably it is bug 729827
[15:21] <apinheiro> and how to disable a11y
[15:21] <apinheiro> system->preferences->assistive technologies
[15:22] <apinheiro> but you will require to logout
[15:22] <lamalex> ah thanks
[15:22] <lamalex> yah
[15:30] <lamalex> thanks apinheiro, much better
[15:30] <cyphermox> tedg, looking at bug 729150, what do you think of changing the fallback in libappindicator to use icon names for the GtkStatusIcon rather than building GIcon? both would end up being themed?
[15:31] <tedg> cyphermox, That should be fine now that seb128 backported the icon theme name thingy.
[15:31] <apinheiro> lamalex, np, although that things goes better without a11y enabled is a bad thing :|
[15:31] <tedg> cyphermox, We just need to set that property on the icon.
[15:31] <lamalex> yah
[15:31] <cyphermox> what property?
[15:31] <tedg> cyphermox, Uhm, just a sec.  Let me look.
[15:32] <cyphermox> tedg, I have a branch ready to propose if you like
[15:32] <tedg> cyphermox, "use-fallback"
[15:33] <tedg> cyphermox, It make it so that it'll follow the icon naming spec with regards to fallbacks.
[15:33] <tedg> cyphermox, It's the reason we were using GIcon.
[15:33] <cyphermox> ah!
[15:33] <cyphermox> makes sense now why they had -panel suffixes
[15:36] <tedg> cyphermox, Yeah, we wanted to use the panel theme even if it fell back to the status area.  In general, that's not as much an issue now as we have no status area, but eh, seems like a good goal to keep :)
[15:36] <cyphermox> yes
[15:45] <cyphermox> tedg, use-fallback, where's that going? I can't find anything about it in code
[15:48] <tedg> cyphermox, It's in a patch
[15:48] <tedg> cyphermox, It should go on a GtkImage
[15:48] <cyphermox> ah
[15:49] <tedg> cyphermox, It's in GTK3, seb128 just backported it for me.
[16:01] <iloveubuntu> Does anyone know when the 0px borders Amb&Rad will return to Natty?
[16:04] <lamalex> where is the 3.6.4 milestone on lp?
[16:25] <rodrigo_> njpatel, didrocks: can I get a 2nd review of https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/fix-732049/+merge/53232 please?
[16:27] <njpatel> rodrigo_, +1
[16:28] <rodrigo_> njpatel, cool, thanks, merging it now
[16:28] <rodrigo_> njpatel, can you approve it please on lp? :-D
[16:33] <Cimi> jjardon, hi
[16:38] <njpatel> rodrigo_, woops, sure
[16:39] <njpatel> bah, you've merged it already, no need :)
[16:39] <rodrigo_> njpatel, yes, sorry, just realized it was enough
[16:39] <rodrigo_> to get your approval on irc
[16:39] <njpatel> right :)
[16:40] <rodrigo_> njpatel, didrocks: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732049 already targeted to the correct milestone?
[16:41] <didrocks> rodrigo_: done
[16:41] <rodrigo_> didrocks, thanks
[16:41] <didrocks> yw :)
[16:42] <njpatel> rodrigo_, yep
[16:47] <rodrigo_> njpatel, didrocks: and last thing (for now :) -> a 2nd approval on https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/fix-731651/+merge/53222 please?
[16:51] <lamalex> didrocks, does unify add downstream tasks to upstream unity bugs?
[16:51] <didrocks> lamalex: yeah
[17:01] <njpatel> rodrigo_, +1
[17:01] <rodrigo_> njpatel, thanks
[17:08] <mpt> tedg, I've made a depressingly complex suggestion in bug 412797
[17:09]  * tedg clicks cautiously
[17:17] <apinheiro> didrocks, one question, what means "NULL project" on the bugs at launchpad?
[17:17] <didrocks> apinheiro: those are the bug wrongly targeted against a package and then reassign to "nothing"
[17:19] <apinheiro> didrocks, so it is error bug 702672 being assigned to NULL project?
[17:20] <didrocks> apinheiro: no, as long as there is an unity task, it's fine
[17:21] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[18:08] <aruiz> tedg, ping
[18:09] <tedg> aruiz, pong
[18:10] <aruiz> tedg, I've found how to fix the shortcuts :-)
[18:10] <tedg> aruiz, Wow, cool.  What was the format?
[18:10] <aruiz> tedg, yeah, about that, I have a few questions
[18:10] <aruiz> have a look here
[18:11] <aruiz> http://api.openoffice.org/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/awt/Key.html
[18:11] <aruiz> tedg, if you scroll down you'll see the values
[18:11] <aruiz> tedg, I'm sorted with A-Z
[18:11] <aruiz> and with the modifiers
[18:12] <aruiz> but I'm a bit stuck with the rest
[18:12] <aruiz> I can always create a huge switch statement of course
[18:12] <aruiz> :-)
[18:13] <aruiz> tedg, do you have a table of the values expected by set_shortcut?
[18:13] <tedg> aruiz, Yeah, I imagine we'll have to at some level.  I don't think agateau and I talked about what the values should be for things like F keys and the such.
[18:13] <aruiz> that might explain the warnings
[18:13] <aruiz> X-)
[18:14] <tedg> aruiz, Yeah, we just hadn't gotten to a case of needing them.
[18:14] <aruiz> tedg, I think I'm going to need values for all the items in that table
[18:14] <aruiz> I've seen Ctrl++
[18:14] <aruiz> and some other weird things
[18:14] <aruiz> plus you can customize them
[18:15] <tedg> agateau, Is it past your EOD?
[18:16] <tedg> aruiz, I'm not sure if agateau is around, we might have to discuss by e-mail.
[18:16] <aruiz> I can leave stuff where it is
[18:16] <tedg> Make sure we get them working in unity-2d (Qt) as well.
[18:16] <aruiz> most of them are covered
[18:16]  * aruiz tries
[18:17] <desrt> aruiz: oh no
[18:18] <desrt> aruiz: you've gone to the other side too now?
[18:18] <aruiz> dereks, :P
[18:19] <aruiz> oops
[18:19] <aruiz> desrt, the other side?
[18:19] <aruiz> :-)
[18:19] <tedg> desrt, It's worse than that, Qt has more of a future than VCL -- and that's saying something!
[18:19] <desrt> i wonder what VCL is
[18:20] <desrt> VCL, The Largest Furry/Anthropomorphic Artwork Site on the Internet.
[18:20] <desrt> hmm.
[18:20] <desrt> tedg: i didn't know you were into that stuff
[18:20] <tedg> VCL is LO's toolkit, no?
[18:20] <jfi> kenvandine, Hello, for xchat are you displaying (unity launcher entry) the count of all unseen messages or restrict to private messages or private msgs + messages containing the user nickname?
[18:21] <aruiz> tedg, yup it is
[18:22] <desrt> at the risk of looking like a complete moron: LO?
[18:22] <tedg> desrt, LibreOffice
[18:22] <desrt> ahh
[18:23] <kenvandine> jfi, all unseen private + all unseen highlights
[18:24] <jfi> kenvandine, ok, I am going to try to do have the same behaviour for pidgin too
[18:25] <kenvandine> cool
[18:25] <kenvandine> we did it in empathy as well
[18:27] <jfi> could you be the reviewer for pidgin or should I ask somebody else?
[18:27] <kenvandine> i'd be happy to
[18:29] <jfi> ok, thx, it will be very useful, pidgin is a lot more tricky than liferea
[18:31] <jfi> I did reuse the way the indicate stuff is being notify when conversation get focus, but it appears to be quite buggy:(
[18:34] <kenvandine> jfi, what does feedlist_get_unread_item_count () return if there no no unread?
[18:34] <kenvandine> 0 or NULL?
[18:34] <kenvandine> and if it is 0, does that if statement work?
[18:36] <jporsini> kenvandine, 0, this function returns an int
[18:36] <kenvandine> ok, thought so
[18:37] <kenvandine> and if 0 does fail in that if statement?
[18:37]  * kenvandine has never tried that before
[18:38] <jporsini> you mean the if statement of ui_unity#ui_unity_update? yes, it will hide the launcher entry counter
[18:38] <kenvandine> ok
[18:38] <kenvandine> great
[18:38] <jporsini> that was your feedback of the review that I have integrated to be consistent:)
[18:39] <kenvandine> yup
[18:39] <kenvandine> ok, get an ack from the release team for the ffe and i'll upload it
[18:39]  * kenvandine just approved the merge proposal
[18:40] <kenvandine> also... when working on pidgin
[18:40] <kenvandine> in case you didn't notice, the indicator integration comes from pidgin-libnotify
[18:41] <kenvandine> so that would be the easiest place to look
[18:41] <jfi> yes, I saw it, I think that it will be nice to split code in 2 differents files
[18:41] <kenvandine> i have no opinions there
[18:41] <jfi> I have splitted the code for unity in a separate file
[18:41] <kenvandine> i just know it is a pita anytime i have to touch that package :)
[18:41] <kenvandine> not in bzr and patches seem to apply weird
[18:41]  * kenvandine can't recall why
[18:41] <kenvandine> don't touch it often
[18:42] <kenvandine> but it does have all the logic for clearing it at the right times and such
[18:42] <jfi> yes, the code is very complex, and I am quite sure that the focus stuff don't work correctly
[18:42] <kenvandine> or it should, i haven't used it in quite some time
[18:44] <jfi> "get an ack from the release team for the ffe and i'll upload it" what do I need to do for this ack?
[18:47] <jfi> ... and what means "ffe"?
[18:48] <ogra_> feature freeze exception
[18:48] <ogra_> yu need to ask the release team for one
[18:51] <jfi> ha ok, it seems to be described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess, I will do it later this night, that's time for launch now!:)
[18:54] <desrt> ogra_: that was borderline lolcat :)
[19:08] <aruiz> tedg, kenvandine the recent menuitems problem is solved!
[19:08] <kenvandine> woot!
[19:08] <aruiz> tedg, kenvandine seems it was a problem with LibreOffice, I apt-get upgraded and went away
[19:08]  * kenvandine does a little dance
[19:08] <aruiz> kenvandine, I'm doing a release
[19:08] <kenvandine> sweet
[19:09]  * kenvandine looks forward to trying that out :)
[19:09] <aruiz> I only need to fix all the shortcuts (most of them are working now already) and we are done
[19:09]  * aruiz is VERY happy now
[19:10] <czajkowski> aruiz: filling my inbox up! :)
[19:12] <aruiz> czajkowski, :?
[19:13] <czajkowski> aruiz: bug reports :)
[19:13] <aruiz> ahhhh
[19:13] <aruiz> yeah
[19:13] <czajkowski> kenvandine: upgraded to natty, gwibber is being a tad special on this machine again :(
[19:13] <aruiz> closing old stuff I just put there to keep in mind
[19:13] <czajkowski> aruiz: tis all good :)
[19:14] <kenvandine> czajkowski, details please :)
[19:14] <czajkowski> kenvandine: it's making my fan go over time in spinning
[19:18] <kenvandine> czajkowski, is this the same laptop you had at UDS?
[19:19] <czajkowski> yes...
[19:19] <czajkowski> I know :(
[19:19] <kenvandine> ok
[19:19] <kenvandine> great
[19:19] <kenvandine> this is good... trust me :)
[19:19] <czajkowski> really
[19:19] <czajkowski> you and I have different ideas of great
[19:19] <kenvandine> ls -lh ~/.config/gwibber/gwibber.sqlite
[19:20] <czajkowski> so far this is the 3rd thing to not go well since the upgrade
[19:21] <czajkowski> did he just vanish...
[19:21] <czajkowski> bah
[19:26] <kenvandine> czajkowski, ?
[19:26] <czajkowski> you vanished
[19:26] <kenvandine> yeah... disconnected
[19:26] <kenvandine> ls -lh ~/.config/gwibber/gwibber.sqlite
[19:26] <kenvandine>  how big is it?
[19:26] <kenvandine>  i've been experimenting with compressing some of the data in the database, but haven't pushed it to gwibber yet
[19:26] <kenvandine>  i think the db gets big enough that on slower machines disk access causes a bottleneck
[19:26] <kenvandine>  and increases the load
[19:26] <kenvandine>  mine is 178M
[19:26] <kenvandine> in case none of that made it
[19:27] <kenvandine> czajkowski, ^^
[19:27] <czajkowski> posted to you
[19:27] <czajkowski> kenvandine: figured you ran away as I know how much you love my laptop :)
[19:28] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:29] <kenvandine> czajkowski, please file a bug for "database size gets too big and causes excessive load"
[19:29] <kenvandine> with your size details in the comments please
[19:29] <czajkowski> more annoying my pwd had changed but instead of telling me to go in and change the pwd it kept saying gwibebr crashed
[19:29] <czajkowski> *gwibber
[19:29] <kenvandine> i will finish up that optimzing work i started last week asap :)
[19:29] <kenvandine> that is weird... shouldn't crash
[19:29] <czajkowski> grand job when you want it tested give me a shout and will test it on here
[19:31] <kenvandine> mine is quite a bit smaller than your's but i suspect this was causing the performance problems some people have complained about
[19:31] <kenvandine> i need to compress the contents of the data field
[19:31] <kenvandine> which is just json, so compresses nicely
[19:31] <kenvandine> just need to make sure everything that reads that data uncompresses it as well
[19:31] <czajkowski> aye
[19:39] <danja> hi there
[19:40] <danja> perhaps an unusual question for this channel, but does anybody know where to get WP there used at http://unity.ubuntu.com ?
[19:40] <aruiz> way off topic don't you think? :-)
[19:41] <danja> well, i do... however not sure whereelse to ask this
[19:43] <aruiz> kenvandine, release done
[19:43] <kenvandine> woot
[19:43] <kenvandine> thx
[19:45] <czajkowski> yay
[19:45] <aruiz> kenvandine, damn!
[19:45] <aruiz> it has stopped working
[19:45] <aruiz> what the f*
[19:47]  * aruiz wonders if he actually used the menubar or the application menu
[19:50] <aruiz> tedg, to accept merges, do I need to ask for contribution agreement?
[19:51] <tedg> aruiz, In theory, yes.  But it seems like if we want this to get merged into LO eventually that's rather pointless.
[19:51] <tedg> aruiz, I'm guessing dbarth_ is at dinner now.  But we should run it by him.
[19:53] <aruiz> tedg, okay, I have a guy asking with a merge request for a small bug (this bug is also pointless if we're going upstream anyway)
[19:53] <aruiz> tedg, it's for the extension metadata
[19:54] <tedg> aruiz, Ah, okay.  You're in Europe, right?  I'd say grab dbarth_ in the morning and run it by him.
[19:55] <aruiz> yup
[19:55] <aruiz> :-)
[19:55] <aruiz> will do
[19:55] <kenvandine> aruiz, working better here
[19:55] <kenvandine> creating new docs puts them in a new window
[19:56] <kenvandine> recent docs menu item still doesn't do anything
[19:56] <aruiz> yeah
[19:56] <kenvandine> and still not using appmenu for the new document UI
[19:56] <aruiz> kenvandine, I think I used the actual menubar (I have it enabled while debugging)
[19:56] <aruiz> kenvandine, that one might not be fixable
[19:56] <kenvandine> ok
[19:56] <kenvandine> otherwise my 30s of testing works
[19:57] <aruiz> the recent menuitem documents should be fixable
[19:57] <aruiz> and if tedg fixes the issue with non A-Z shortcuts we are ready to go
[19:57] <aruiz> :-)
[19:57] <kenvandine> so what's so special about that new docs wizard menus?
[19:58] <kenvandine> not exposed to the extensions?
[20:00] <kenvandine> aruiz, any bugs closed in this release?
[20:00] <aruiz> kenvandine, yes, give me a sec
[20:01] <aruiz> #720661
[20:02] <kenvandine> bug 720661
[20:23] <czajkowski> aruiz: kenvandine I know it's not really a topic for here, but to log a but how do I log a bug against the print screen button no longer working
[20:37] <lamalex> DBO, what source file is the code for dragging the launcher in?
[20:37] <lamalex> I need to add a ubus signal for drag start/drag end
[20:38] <phiphi> Can somebody help us on dbus with java and and accessing ayatana-elements like soundmenu or the mpris-MediaPlayer2 interfaces?
[20:39] <kenvandine> czajkowski, using unity on natty?
[20:39] <czajkowski> both
[20:39] <czajkowski> natty upgrade last night
[20:39] <kenvandine> something is grabbing the keybinding
[20:39] <kenvandine> works here
[20:39] <kenvandine> czajkowski, so it doesn't work in classic gnome either?
[20:39] <czajkowski> not loged out to see
[20:40] <czajkowski> loged in as a different user and it didt work for that either
[20:40] <kenvandine> weird
[20:41] <kenvandine> does it work using gnome-screenshot?
[20:41] <czajkowski> yes
[20:42] <czajkowski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/580286/ does through stuff out into the terminal though
[20:43] <kenvandine> that's harmless
[20:43] <kenvandine> check with classic gnome
[20:43] <czajkowski> ok
[20:43] <kenvandine> if it works there, file it against unity
[20:43] <kenvandine> or actually before file it
[20:43] <kenvandine> run unity --reset
[20:43] <kenvandine> to reset the defaults
[20:44] <kenvandine> and test again in unity
[20:44] <kenvandine> although
[20:44] <kenvandine> the new user should have been stock settings
[20:44] <kenvandine> but just to be sure :)
[20:44] <czajkowski> ohh works on classic gnome
[20:48] <phiphi> Has somebody here experiences with java and dbus? We would like to control for example the Sound Menu. We can already access simple dbus-objects like tomboy and also nested interfaces like powermanagement/Backlight. But we have trouble using the MPRIS MediaPlayer2(.Player) Interface. Also we would like to know if and how it is possible to control the Sound-Menu. On Ubuntu 10.04 there was an interface to control the Volume, but with 10.10 there'
[20:48] <phiphi> s no longer such an interface.
[20:50] <lamalex> phiphi, what do you mean control the sound menu?
[20:50] <aruiz> kenvandine, heh, I think I've just figured out how to fix the recent items problem
[20:50] <lamalex> the sound menu can't really be controlled, it's a controller
[20:50] <kenvandine> woot
[20:50] <lamalex> you're app implements the mpris spec, and then the soundmenu picks it up and it can control your app
[20:50] <kenvandine> aruiz, if you have a fix, i can distro patch it instead of doing a release
[20:51] <aruiz> kenvandine, this is going to take a while though
[20:51] <phiphi> but if the sound menu can control the apps, we should be able to do it too
[20:51] <kenvandine> aruiz, ok, no worries :)
[20:51] <aruiz> kenvandine, I want to make a 0.1.0 release when this and the shortcuts are fixed
[20:51] <aruiz> kenvandine, I've lost hope on the main window thingie
[20:54] <bdmurray> lamalex: are upstream tasks still getting opened?  bug 733594 hasn't had one created for it
[20:54] <lamalex> bdmurray, script may not have ran?
[20:55] <bdmurray> lamalex: it was opened the 11th ...
[20:57] <lamalex> I'll make sure didrocks sees it
[20:59] <bdmurray> okay, thanks
[21:34] <jcastro> lamalex: hey, you're on default autohide on the launcher right?
[21:34] <jcastro> does it sometimes just decide "nope, won't autohide just yet" a little bit too long for you?
[21:40] <Cimi> jjardon, I'm back online...
[21:47] <jcastro> hey Cimi
[21:47] <jcastro> did you see my mail wrt. ayatana scrollbars?
[21:59] <Cimi> jcastro, yep
[22:01] <nhaines> jcastro: when do those land?  :)
[22:01] <jcastro> nhaines: cimi's the one to ask
[22:01] <nhaines> Cimi: when do those land?  :)
[22:01] <Cimi> nhaines, in main?
[22:01] <nhaines> Cimi: yup.
[22:02] <Cimi> nhaines, I dunno, but for sure before beta
[22:02] <nhaines> Cimi: oh, it is planned for 11.04?  Cool, I got the impression we weren't seeing them until 11.10.
[22:03] <nhaines> Exciting!  I'm looking forward to that change.  :)
[22:03] <Cimi> nhaines, natty, yes
[22:03] <Cimi> if we'll fix all those issues
[22:03] <nhaines> Well, I'll cross my fingers, although I can wait until oneiric if I have to.
[22:07] <Daekdroom> What about windicators?
[22:07] <Daekdroom> Are they planned for oneiric?
[22:16] <nhaines> Daekdroom: I'm beginning to think that "planned" is a little strong of a word.  :)
[23:38] <Amaranth> Daekdroom: I think windicators got replaced with "fits in the unity panel", honestly
[23:38] <humphreybc> Shh don't mention windicators!!
[23:39] <Daekdroom> humphreybc, the whole purpose of mentioning it is causing havoc.
[23:39] <Daekdroom> Because really, I don't have any hopes of windicators becoming truth :P
[23:39] <humphreybc> lol
[23:39] <humphreybc> I don't think anyone wants them to become a reality.
[23:39] <Omega> Oh look, activity!
[23:39] <humphreybc> Anyone /sane/ at least.
[23:40] <Amaranth> Can someone set https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/710271 back to triaged like it is for compiz?
[23:40] <Omega> I have to read up on windicators again.
[23:41] <Daekdroom> and where would windicators fit anyway? Now that the title bar is in the panel when maximized, putting them with the appindicators could cause confusion.
[23:45] <Omega> I suppose a seperator would be used
[23:46] <humphreybc> would still be stupid
[23:46] <humphreybc> it was a dumb idea, you can't avoid it
[23:52] <Omega> http://www.mail-archive.com/ayatana@lists.launchpad.net/msg01177.html
[23:52] <Omega> That seemed to me like a good use of it.