[00:47] <afiestas> unitylogger: that's unity-2d:s?
[00:47] <afiestas> http://i.imgur.com/uKH3J.jpg <--talking about this
[00:47] <afiestas> the window got shadow :/?
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yeah, and the fix is in bzr. I just haven't done a release of quickaccess in forever
[01:25] <nixternal> only the launcher is qt right, not the entire unity-2d?
[01:25] <nixternal> nope, it is all qt. apt-cache ftw :)
[01:26] <nixternal> though, it deps on metacity :/
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> You playing with Unity nixternal?
[01:26] <nixternal> yes
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> I can't get it to show it in virtual box
[01:26] <nixternal> not to shabby to be honest. i kind of like the simplicity
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> and I'm not bothering to install it.
[01:26] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: that's cuz you need to use unity-2d :)
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah meh
[01:27] <nixternal> haha
[01:27] <nixternal> unity-2d is qt though
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Same... meh
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Oh nixternal you work with kubuntu bugs much?
[01:27] <nixternal> haven't in a year, but i am going to start just as soon as i get a new dev machine
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> I'm taking unitylogger idea of Kubuntu Starship Troopers and I'm going to run with it.
[01:28] <nixternal> wth is that? 
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> Spent a lot of time talking to bug squad and yofel last night about it
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Starship Troopers... bug squashing
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Get a system going for kubuntu bugs. including filing a but with kde where needed.
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> little play on... nevermind
[01:29] <nixternal> JontheEchidna used to be the Starship Troopers then :)
[01:29] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> I want to build a bit of structure to it.
[01:30] <nixternal> i almost had to mark JontheEchidna as a spammer because i would get way to many bug emails he was touching, fixing, and closing
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... after April 7th I'm kicking it off.
[01:31]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> How many fixes did you have nixternal?
[01:32] <nixternal> when i was active, a bunch. you can see how active i am, my karma is a whopping 85 :p
[01:32] <DarkwingDuck> No, I meant on the missing lappy
[01:33] <nixternal> back then though there was just Riddell, me, tonio, hobbsee, and another person or 2 who had access to KDE svn, so we were some fixin' mofos back then
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> I figured the bug thingie will give me something to do the other 48 weeks a year.
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> That and Kubuntu Community stuff.
[01:34] <nixternal> oh, ported all of the build stuff to cmake, which shrunk the package a little, stuff on development, such as adding a section about setting up an android environment, some office stuff I think, printing crap
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> oh nixternal... had a question. exporting the docs to html... how hard?
[01:36] <nixternal> export them to where?
[01:36] <nixternal> i lost that work too I think, as I don't remember committing them. docs2kubuntu.org
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> The XML to HTML
[01:37] <nixternal> make all
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> Another project I'm building.
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> help.kubuntu.org
[01:37] <nixternal> take a look at the make file
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> We will be adding video tutorials and screenshots there too
[01:37] <nixternal> yeah, for that you need to have the css, custom html headers, and such
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> I've been playing with web still since '96
[01:38] <nixternal> unless we just setup a file that includes('each-help-file.html') which gets to be a pain
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> still/stuff
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> I'll just build the docs and push out to the site
[01:38] <nixternal> building out docbook to a website is silly, need to have some sort of framework that can read the directories and generate the layout for us
[01:38] <nixternal> like we used to do on docs.ubuntu.com
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> So I'll build one.
[01:39] <nixternal> you have to fix all of the links
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> I need to include many other things too.
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> Naww, it'll do that.
[01:39]  * DarkwingDuck has a plan <EG>
[01:39] <nixternal> all links in docs are help://
[01:39] <nixternal> help:/ rather
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[01:39] <nixternal> i had a script that did this all already
[01:39] <nixternal> don't know if i ever committed it or not though
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> Where would you have committed it at?
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> LP:~nixternal?
[01:40] <nixternal> to a docs branch
[01:40] <nixternal> no, i didn't push anything there
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> Oh joy.
[01:40]  * DarkwingDuck goes LP digging
[01:40] <nixternal> if i did push it prior, then it should be in the latest branch
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> What's the translate script do?
[01:42] <nixternal> for when you pull in translations. you have to run that on all of the pot files, then go through and manually fix every document :/
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh. bugger
[01:42] <nixternal> it is, a royal pain in the ass
[01:42] <nixternal> it would seriously take me a couple of days of constant hacking to get translations built into a package
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> Wow....
[01:43] <nixternal> and that was all day hacking, probably 15 hours or more
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> But, it needs to be done after the tranlations are out right?
[01:44] <nixternal> correct
[01:44] <nixternal> i can't believe i used to build packages on this machine like 4 years ago :)
[01:44] <nigelb> heh
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, after the tranlastions come back can you give me a 101 on how to do that?
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> If I get it once I'll be good.
[01:44] <nixternal> oh, i could build on my server though, but that is a pain in the ass, as i would have to download them back to the machine and test with khc
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Or, write it down?
[01:44] <nixternal> i have to give myself a 101 on how to do them again
[01:44] <nixternal> been a while
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger
[01:45] <nixternal> that's something i need to rewrite one of these days, and come up with the proper way of doing translations, and not the old ubuntu-docs way
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> What, we do translations ourselves?
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> *wait
[01:46] <nixternal> i feel we need to possibly think up a new doc layout too and add just important stuff. there is stuff in our docs that just doesn't belong, besides being a little outdated, and so much stuff we need to add
[01:46]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[01:46] <nixternal> no, we download the translation tarballs for each doc from LP
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: mallard?
[01:47] <nixternal> then we used that script to import them into our docs branch, then the Makefile would build the translated docs as well
[01:47] <nixternal> we don't have any mallard support
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger
[01:47] <ScottK> Isn't mallard Gnome stuff anyway?
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> It is but, mallard is actually a really really awesome way of doing things.
[01:47] <nixternal> and i am not so much in the mood to rewrite khc to be honest. i wish i had been a bit more active a couple of months ago, because i would have put that up for a GSoC project
[01:48] <nixternal> ScottK: shaun from gnome created the spec yes, but it can be cross platform if we added the spec to khc/konqi/wtfever
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: the issue with the argument of "upstream docs are docbook" is null IMO. The licences between KDE Docs and Kubuntu Docs don't match
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> We use CC and they don't
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> I would LOVE to inport and mix the docs
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> Make things sooooooo nice
[01:50] <nixternal> yeah, that is a mess. cc is nice, but the whole it doesn't play nice with the gfdl sucks
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[01:50] <nixternal> wish we could just do 2 licenses, but that isn't possible unfortunately
[01:51] <nixternal> i could care less, it should be public domain anyways
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> And the doc team would have a heart attack if we switched just the kubuntu docs
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:51] <nixternal> everyone is treating it that way
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[01:51] <nixternal> you know how many ubuntu books are being sold at the local bookstore where all of the information came from either the official ubuntu book, wikipedia, or help.ubuntu.com? all of them!
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[01:52] <nixternal> is that all you can say now :p
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[01:52] <nixternal> come on, hit that up arrow and press enter :p
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> I did ;)
[01:52] <nixternal> i did that yesterday in the chicago channels telling them to keep a lookout for my laptop
[01:52] <nixternal> only problem is, i couldn't speak english nor spell remotely correctly
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Oh joy
[01:53] <nixternal> so people were doing, "Huh? why should we look for a laptop for you? find one yourself!" :)
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> I think it's funny I made it to a nixternal blog post.
[01:53] <nixternal> lucky for you i wasn't cussing you then :p
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know.
[01:53] <nixternal> hahaha, ass
[01:53] <nixternal> up, up, up, up, up, up, enter
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> Actually I don't think I have gotten on your bad side.
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> No... there is a . at the end of that last one.
[01:54] <ScottK> nixternal: We ought to have a license compatible with the upstream docs license (even if it means dual license) so that stuff that should rather be in their docs can land there.
[01:54] <nixternal> nobody in the community really has to be honest
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: +1,000,000,000,000,000
[01:54] <nixternal> ScottK: we would have to be gfdl, that's the only compaitble license for upstream
[01:54] <nixternal> if we were gfdl, then we couldn't use docs from the wiki then
[01:54] <ScottK> Sigh.
[01:54] <nixternal> well you can, you just have to reword everything, constructive plagerism :)
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[01:55] <nixternal> show me a writer who hasn't :)
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> Can we dual licence with gfdl and CC?
[01:55] <nixternal> nope
[01:55] <DarkwingDuck> GARRRR
[01:55] <nixternal> cc & gnu == enemies
[01:55] <nixternal> you used to be able to with cc-by-sa 2.0
[01:55] <nixternal> 2.5 came around and gnu said no more
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> Too bad we don't have anyone who works on upstream docs that could talk to someone
[01:56]  * DarkwingDuck looks at nixternal 
[01:56] <nixternal> only reason everything was switched over to cc in the first place, is because of the anti-hippy mdke :p
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> mdke.... 
[01:56]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[01:56] <nixternal> haha
[01:57]  * DarkwingDuck goes down to the copyright office to copyright all of his work :P:P
[01:57] <nixternal> it isn't a huge thing to be honest. we have stuff in our docs we need to shove upstream and remove from our docs. we are the authors of it, so we can change the license if we want, i could care less if it says Copyright (c) The Ubuntu Documentation Project
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> Let's toss another kink into the chain why don't we
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> I agree... I don't know why we can't change our licences
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> other then mdke would have a heart attack
[01:58] <nixternal> well, to be honest, cc-by-sa is way better than the gfdl
[01:58] <ScottK> Everything is copyright whoever wrote it less a formal copyright transfer anyway.
[01:58] <nixternal> with the gfdl you have to be careful with certain sections
[01:58] <ScottK> Copyright (c) The Ubuntu Documentation Project is unlikely to be legally meaningful.
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> Agreed...
[01:58] <nixternal> ScottK: plus if i were to write it in the upstream docs and commit it, nobody would say a darn thing
[01:58] <ScottK> Please stay away from gfdl invariant stuff.
[01:58] <nixternal> yup
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> I know ScottK 
[01:59] <nixternal> that is the whole reason why the UDP ran away from the gfdl
[01:59] <DarkwingDuck> I'm just frustrated
[01:59] <nixternal> though nobody could explain correctly what the hell invariant sections meant, not even the debian legal peeps
[01:59] <nixternal> or they would explain it in a way they only understood
[02:00] <ScottK> Well FSF is just kind of insane in the brain. Freedom to modify and reuse is essential except it's essential to not allow that in documentation.
[02:00] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: what are you frustrated with? we don't need to be bringing in stuff from kde docs into kubuntu docs anyways
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> bbiab... I have to chair a Loco meeting
[02:00] <nixternal> if there is something in our docs that would benefit everyone using kde, then we need to incorporate that upstream
[02:00] <nixternal> then we just link to it with help:/go-here
[02:00] <nixternal> much less writing and management for us then
[02:01] <nixternal> ScottK: yeah, and why they never updated the gfdl when they updated every other license is beyond me
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[02:03] <nixternal> holy hell, packaging has changed quite a bit in the past year for us hasn't it :)
[02:04] <nixternal> much easier to maintain, that's for sure, but different from my cdbs loving days of old
[02:05] <ScottK> Meh.  The only thing you can say about cdbs is it's not yada.
[02:06] <ScottK> I'm waiting for the Canonical management types to get to work on Monday and then read the planet.
[02:11] <DarkwingDuck> Ohhhh, loco meetings are like watching grasshoppers
[02:11] <nixternal> what am i missing on the planet? i have to be overlooking that one post
[02:12] <nixternal> why does the schooltool icon portray what looks like a zebra taking a dump?
[02:13] <ScottK> https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/business-value-of-goodwill/ is the one I was thinking of.
[02:13] <nigelb> ScottK: :)
[02:14] <nigelb> ScottK: that expects the buisness types to actually read the planet.
[02:14] <ScottK> Not really, but there are managers that do.
[02:14] <nixternal> ScottK: such a little post, and will you get a hackergotchi already! i don't take the default icons to seriously :)
[02:15] <ScottK> Nobody wants to look at my ugly face.  You've already used up Kubuntu's quota.
[02:17] <nigelb> lol
[02:18] <nixternal> oh you ass
[02:18] <nixternal> that's why i have on sunglasses and a cycling helmet, hoping to hide some of that ugliness
[02:19] <ScottK> It leaks through ...
[02:19] <ScottK> Careful, you've got me started.
[02:19] <nigelb> oh, nixternal, did you group your new nickname? ;)
[02:19] <nigelb> darn, someone else already took it
[02:20] <nixternal> what is my new nickname?
[02:20] <nixternal> i can't remember it now
[02:20] <nigelb> mupett ;)
[02:20]  * nigelb runs
[02:20] <nixternal> oh, that is sabdfl's nickname
[02:20] <nigelb> haha
[02:21] <ScottK> The most interesting benefit of the Ayatana project to me is that there's now a lot less complaining Canonical doesn't invest more in KDE.
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> Someone tell me... why am I a lead in my loco?
[02:41] <ScottK> 'cause your an idiot?
[02:41] <nixternal> cuz you got suckered you silly little muppet! :p
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Yeesh
[02:42]  * ScottK high fives nixternal.
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> These grasshoppers....
[02:42] <nixternal> haha
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> I am not doing this again LOL
[02:42] <nixternal> see, i take all of the glory in being chicago's leader, when truth be told, nhandler does everything :p
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> However, I'll be dropping it at the next elections to take up more Kubuntu Community stuff
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> Well, it's nice that we have 3 people for California.
[02:43] <nixternal> he is my muppet!
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> Two are in the Bay area
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> and I'm alone for southern cali
[02:43] <nixternal> what about jono? isn't he like a community god or something? :p
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> He is in bay area and leaves of alone
[02:44] <ScottK> nixternal: 'or something'
[02:45] <nixternal> no comment
[02:45] <nixternal> frack, i am hungry and tired at the same time
[02:45] <ScottK> A couple of years ago I was in SF on a business trip and ran into him on the BART.  It was pretty odd.
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yeah.... you should have seen the convo we had about getting some kubuntu stuff in the store
[02:45] <nixternal> that whole jumping ahead an hour screwed me over
[02:45] <nixternal> i just looked at the store, holy hell could the prices be any higher? shit, half the stuff the shipping costs more than the item
[02:45] <nigelb> Ah, DST.
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> I HATE DST
[02:46]  * ScottK hands nixternal http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/JEST_results/
[02:46] <nigelb> I hate timezones :\
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> irssi is now set to UTC.
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> and I'm about to start doing everything in UTC and make everyone else do the math
[02:48] <nixternal> my bios is utc, that's about it :)
[02:48] <nixternal> oh lord, pi day tomorrow, or in a couple of hours. here come the shitty blog posts
[02:48] <nixternal> though they can't be any shittier than mine
[02:49] <nigelb> No, not really :p
[02:49] <nixternal> haha, ass
[02:51] <nixternal> eyelids are heavy, must....resist....sleep
[02:51] <DarkwingDuck> Phew, that's over with
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> bbiab
[03:07] <nhandler> nixternal: Who are you calling your muppet? ;)
[03:09] <ScottK> No, I think sabdfl called him a muppet in one of his recent blog posts.
[03:36] <nigelb> nhandler: lol
[08:40] <unitylogger> afiestas: no, that is unity
[08:40] <Daskreech> unitylogger: Brilliance!
[08:40] <Daskreech> We can name the KDE port of Unity DisKord
[08:41]  * unitylogger blinks and goes :O
[08:50] <bambee> morning
[08:51] <Daskreech> morning
[10:29] <unitylogger> !find libv4l2.h
[10:56] <Riddell> kunal: I got kwin to compiles with gles
[10:56] <Riddell> just needs set(KDE_MIN_VERSION "4.6.1")  changed in the top CMakeLists.txt
[10:57] <kunal> Riddell: i tried that, it gives error in plasma api
[10:58] <Riddell> kunal: I only compiled kwin, not the rest of kde-workspace
[10:58] <Riddell> however it breaks on running  KWin: The library /usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so is not a KWin plugin.
[10:59] <Riddell> so probably we should ask upstream mgrasslin about that
[11:04] <kunal> Riddell: ok
[11:06] <kunal> Riddell: how to contact him 
[11:08] <Riddell> kunal: he pops up on IRC most days
[11:09] <kunal> Riddell: ok, the work i started with kdelibs to 4.6.40 any solutions for that
[11:09] <Riddell> kunal: we really want to avoid packaging unstable kdelibs if we can
[11:10] <kunal> Riddell: ok, mgrasslin is in which time zone
[11:10] <Riddell> you can adjust all the .install files until they match but it's an unstable version so it won't be guaranteed to work never mind be ABI compatible etc
[11:10] <Riddell> he's in Germany
[11:13] <kunal> Riddell: ok, i'll try
[12:52] <nigelb> for all those of you who say DST suck --> http://twitter.com/#!/noufalibrahim/status/47276296023191552
[12:54] <steveire> How do I file a task to patch akonadi in kubuntu? Bug against launchpad.net/akonadi?
[12:55] <steveire> Git patch linked here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim/29862/focus=29949 Makes kdepim actually usable
[13:11] <ScottK> steveire: Bug against launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi.
[13:14] <steveire> Ok, thanks.
[13:19] <steveire> I'm glad that redirect thing is not there anymore when you click file bug. :)
[15:31] <Daskreech> sabdfl: ping
[17:20] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone could work on Bug 612682
[17:38] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you have any idea how often Planet polls blogs for new posts?
[17:39] <ScottK> I think ~10 minutes, but  that's a guess.
[17:39] <Quintasan> Hmm, strange
[17:40] <yofel> Quintasan: I did see your post on the planet
[17:40] <yofel> at least on RSS
[17:41] <Quintasan> http://identi.ca/notice/66977154
[17:41] <Quintasan> Repeat this please :D
[17:42] <ScottK> Quintasan: I saw that one too.
[17:42] <Quintasan> Seriously? I can't see it :O
[17:43] <yofel> done ;)
[17:44] <Daskreech> Quintasan: To who? 
[17:44] <Daskreech> You covered every possible person who would be interested
[17:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's on the web site. http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[17:47] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, I'm saying I can't see it there, but if two people say it is I have to believe :)
[17:48] <Quintasan> But well, it's about the time I start doing my homework
[17:52] <Daskreech> Quintasan: just got it on Choqok :)
[21:44] <nixternal> Quintasan: does neon build kde* on mondays? Is it possible to have the build service not build on certain days? mondays are 'break libs day' :)
[21:46] <yofel> not really, the recipe builds as soon as the source imports get changes from git, but not more than ever 24h
[21:46] <yofel> there aren't any schedule settings there
[21:47] <yofel> gnomeshellogger: how's it so far?
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> broken
[21:48] <yofel> heh
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> incredibly insanely broken
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> I thought unity was bad
[21:48] <gnomeshellogger> but this is something else!
[21:49] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: haha, you can't even logout or shutdown in there, and none of the buttons work for anything
[21:49] <Daskreech> nixternal: Yeah it's noted on the Gnome wiki
[21:49] <Daskreech> Init 0 is the recommended way to shutdown
[21:50] <Daskreech> or reboot from root
[21:50] <nixternal> who is the sucker who took on packaging kvirc? that was one of the shittiest debian packages ever once upon a time, and i am guessing it still is
[21:50] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: it is like a mockup really
[21:50] <gnomeshellogger> a live mockup
[21:50] <gnomeshellogger> very nice
[21:51] <yofel> hm, better or worse than KDE 4.0 ?
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> not exactly what you would expect with the version number
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> but I am used to that ^^
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> yofel: currently worse
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> but since brekage is pretty much limited to gnome-shell I would argue it is not as bad on a global scale
[21:51] <gnomeshellogger> OTOH shit is crashing like mad
[21:51] <Daskreech> apps?
[21:53] <nixternal> kde 4.0 was at least usable :D
[21:54] <Daskreech> nixternal: Apps changed a lot though
[21:54] <leimy> I'll try not to mention the evil "d" word here :-)
[21:55] <nixternal> bah, gnomeshellogger is using gnome shell. for some reason i was thinking unity-2d. gnome shell worked for me, though i wasn't using the ubuntu packages, i tried it on fedora
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> kde 3.60 was also usable, no one believed me when I told them
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> in fact it was more usable than 4.0
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> but that is a story for another time
[21:55] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: of the 3 unity-2d is actually working most reliable
[21:55] <leimy> Is there a good pointer to a document or something that can show me how the kubuntu release candidates get built?
[21:56] <leimy> I'm interested in the process.
[21:56] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: only you got no logout button and the me and sound menu goodness is missing
[21:56] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: i take it you haven't tried unity as of late? you can't do shit with it, you can't search apps, you can't shutdown/logout/reboot. you can only click on the buttons in the left hand launcher and pray that they work
[21:56] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: unfortunately there is not
[21:56]  * gnomeshellogger looks for his fluffy notes
[21:57] <nixternal> now windows 7 on the other hand. mmm mmm goodness :p
[21:57] <gnomeshellogger> hm
[21:57] <gnomeshellogger> no idea where that is
[21:58] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: debian-cd is involved, that much I remember
[22:00] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: well, basically it is a whole bunch of scripts + a file that describes what gets put in the ISO
[22:00]  * gnomeshellogger sorta oversimplified things ^^
[22:00] <leimy> That's a good start :-)
[22:00] <leimy> I was looking at remastersys.
[22:00] <leimy> http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/
[22:00] <gnomeshellogger> ah right
[22:00] <gnomeshellogger> ubuntu-cdimage is also involved
[22:00]  * gnomeshellogger seems to think there was a third tool at least
[22:01] <nixternal> i used to make my own ubuntu images back in the day. i used the stuff through gnusense. so much easier
[22:01] <gnomeshellogger> ah 
[22:01] <gnomeshellogger> right
[22:01] <gnomeshellogger> livcd-rootfs
[22:02] <gnomeshellogger> well, I think that is about the core of it
[22:02] <gnomeshellogger> on top of that you stack a couple of seed files
[22:02] <leimy> Cool thank you both.
[22:02] <gnomeshellogger> and get an archive mirror
[22:03] <gnomeshellogger> and mess about with some of the scripts of the tools to match your flavor
[22:03] <gnomeshellogger> and then maybe after a week you can build an iso
[22:03] <gnomeshellogger> (which will then only take a few minutes though ^^)
[22:03] <leimy> Yeah... 
[22:04] <gnomeshellogger> leimy: hence derivate is not an appropriate word as kubuntu does not derive from anything but build a system based on ubuntu foundations :)
[22:07] <Daskreech> hi rbelem
[22:07] <Daskreech> Grrr
[22:07] <Daskreech> Hi rickspencer3
[22:07] <Riddell> mgraesslin: yo
[22:07] <rickspencer3> hi Daskreech
[22:08] <Riddell> mgraesslin: one of the Linaro folks is wanting to have kwin with openGLES packaged, is this at all sane?
[22:08] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: How goes?
[22:09] <rickspencer3> Daskreech, decently
[22:09] <leimy> gnomeshellogger: Well what I was looking at was ubuntu claiming they were themselves a debian derivative. :-)
[22:09] <leimy> As in "derived from" or  "based upon"
[22:09] <gnomeshellogger> ubuntu is derived :P
[22:09] <leimy> but this is really a semantic argument :-)
[22:09] <gnomeshellogger> we take their plunder and add our stuff and sell it as our plunder
[22:09] <nixternal> i just need about $800 to reach my laptop fund goal. come on consulting gigs, you gotta pick up soon, i need some cash flow for my pockets, not just my damn bills :)
[22:10] <Daskreech> leimy: It is derived from Debian but so is Kubuntu
[22:10] <leimy> right... it's like a family tree.
[22:10] <gnomeshellogger> aye
[22:10] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: you can always become a hooker I suppose?
[22:11] <nixternal> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg  <- leimy there is the family tree for linux :)
[22:11] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: i am trying that, guess i am not as secksi as i though
[22:11] <nixternal> t
[22:11] <Daskreech> gnomeshellogger: that doesn't pay as well as you would think
[22:12] <Daskreech> leimy: this is academic interest or you want to actually do something?
[22:12] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: well, put on some makeup...
[22:13] <nixternal> maybe i can get sabdfl to open up his pocket book and get me a new dev lappy, i figured i have earned it over the past 5 years
[22:13] <leimy> Daskreech: We might use it as a distribution internally at work to simplify some VMs or something.  NOt sure yet.
[22:13] <leimy> What I really ultimately would like to have is a 64bit version of something like Ubuntu JeOS, but they're only 32bit.
[22:13] <Daskreech> leimy: I woudln't go the route of a distro unless you want to make code changes
[22:13] <Daskreech> leimy: Just rebuild their sources
[22:14] <nixternal> leimy: the ubuntu alternate cds allow you to install jeos (ie minimum install or something)
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: you mean like 3 years :P
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: indeed you could write a letter to the dictator
[22:14] <nixternal> i have still done stuff, and even in that 3 years i did more than you fool :p
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> and if that fails you can always complain to the BBC
[22:14] <nixternal> 4 years, only been taking a break since last summer
[22:14] <leimy> nixternal: Ah, I thought I had to specifically get JeOS.  Thanks!
[22:14] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: yeah yeah :P
[22:14] <nixternal> no, wait a second, this is my 6th year here
[22:15] <nixternal> it is 2011, started in 2005
[22:15] <leimy> Daskreech: we might need to make some code changes eventually, but that's also not clear.  I'm tasked with "exploring the options"  :-)
[22:15] <Daskreech> leimy: start off with working with a distro to customize post install. 
[22:15] <Daskreech> are you using KDE on the desktop?
[22:16] <leimy> Not yet.  In fact these will most likely end up mostly "headless" and more of a server system.
[22:16] <leimy> I was mostly intersted in how Kubuntu was born and what processes they used to make their changes and keep things repeatable.
[22:16] <Daskreech> Lots and lots of scripts and build tests
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> well
[22:17] <Daskreech> Mostly sweat
[22:17] <Daskreech> and ninjas
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> one day ubuntu and debian got drunk
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> and spent the night together
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> over at KDE's place
[22:17] <gnomeshellogger> 9 months later Kubuntu was born
[22:17] <leimy> ah... so it was an "organic" process? :-)
[22:17] <Daskreech> somehow Riddell is the legal caretaker
[22:17] <nixternal> no, kubuntu was adopted, aka step-child :p
[22:18] <nixternal> or wait, that wouldn't be a step child, there had to be a 3rd party involved
[22:18] <Daskreech> That explains the hair!
[22:18] <leimy> This sounds a lot like the first time we figured out how to build OpenDarwin :-)
[22:18] <leimy> from Apple's sources.
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: some muppet calls kubuntu
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> http://www.shermann.name/2011/03/some-muppet-calls-kubuntu.html
[22:19] <Daskreech> leimy: Something like that except we have ninja handholders
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> tada
[22:19] <Daskreech> So delicate you don't even know they are there
[22:19] <Daskreech> So don't complain if you dont see any help :)
[22:19] <gnomeshellogger> nixternal: so, tell me mister long time developer, when is the feature freeze of the next youbuntoo?
[22:19] <leimy> lol
[22:20] <gnomeshellogger> also we will get starship troopers I hear
[22:21] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: July 21st
[22:21] <gnomeshellogger> wut?
[22:21] <gnomeshellogger> that cannot be right
[22:21] <nixternal> the next youbuntoo is oneiric
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> gnome-shell is already very stable must be released soonish I bet
[22:22] <nixternal> natty freeze was almost a month ago
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> oh
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> that is unfortunate for you then
[22:22] <nixternal> why?
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> phonon 4.5 is coming
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> muhahaha
[22:22] <maco> oh right. dang. gotta fix that build breakage...  (annoying: build succeeds! by just ignoring that a step failed! so code goes crashy boom!)
[22:22] <gnomeshellogger> with all the sexy things
[22:23] <gnomeshellogger> maco: that sounds like fun
[22:23] <nixternal> gnomeshellogger: why is it unfortunate for me? make sense now damnit! :p
[22:23] <gnomeshellogger> you the youbuntoo people
[22:23] <gnomeshellogger> and your usb disk creator for windows is busted
[22:24] <ScottK> Once Qt is built on armel, the ubuntu-arm/linaro guys are going to rebuild KDE with gcc-4.5.
[22:25] <ScottK> So please pay attention to what they're doing and coordinate any needed uploads over the next couple of days.
[22:25]  * gnomeshellogger is scared
[22:26] <TheHarald> markey: are you the happy?
[22:26] <markey> sort of
[22:26] <TheHarald> markey: http://www.shermann.name/2011/03/some-muppet-calls-kubuntu.html
[22:26] <TheHarald> now?
[22:26] <markey> would like to party with Eva
[22:27] <TheHarald> who is eva?
[22:27] <markey> friend of an office mate. went partying on Friday with our crazy Brits from HR, and she was there too
[22:28] <markey> was a fun night :)
[22:48] <TheHarald> markey: we never have fun nights anymore :(
[22:48]  * TheHarald is back in kubuntu :(
[23:19] <markey> TheHarald: we could skype...
[23:26] <TheHarald> markey: I could go to bed, and you should too I suppose :/
[23:27] <markey> whenever I am "supposed to do something", I tend to do the opposite
[23:27] <markey> I hate taking orders :p
[23:28] <markey> got me into another quarrel with Mamarok right now
[23:28] <markey> the more she insists I got to bed, the more likely it is I'll have one hell of a party, possibly not sleeping at all
[23:29] <markey> <- eternal rebel dude
[23:54] <Mamarok> TheHarald: with the result that he is now sound asleep in his chair :) So much for being a rebel...
[23:54] <Mamarok> bed time for me, nini everyone :)