| nigelb | morning | 01:37 |
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| nigelb | paultag: nice work on the package manager ;) | 01:38 |
| nigelb | and now we have Yet Another Package Manager (tm) | 01:38 |
| paultag | nigelb: thanks :P | 02:21 |
| paultag | nigelb: it's mostly working. Once it's done, I am going to become a hermit | 02:22 |
| mhall119 | doesn't Suse have a trademark on "Yet Another .*" | 02:22 |
| nigelb | paultag: even if you weren't like completing it, it would be a good way to explain to someone how package management works | 02:22 |
| paultag | nigelb: what's cool is I can set up package contexts -- and swap between them (swap in and out packages instantl) | 02:22 |
| paultag | nigelb: it's already working mostly | 02:22 |
| paultag | nigelb: not removing, but unlinking works | 02:22 |
| nigelb | paultag: yay :) | 02:23 |
| paultag | nigelb: I just need to cross compile a version of eglibc and then I can build it up. Might do that next weekend if I have time | 02:23 |
| paultag | mhall119: yeah, they so do ;) | 02:24 |
| mhall119 | paultag: where does it store the unlinked stuff? /opt/? | 02:24 |
| paultag | mhall119: /syn/pkg/version/[usr|etc|bin]/... | 02:24 |
| paultag | mhall119: the whole filesystem is similinks | 02:25 |
| paultag | (besides /syn/) | 02:25 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, could it maybe leverage the alternatives stuff, which manages a bunch of /usr/bin symlinks? | 02:25 |
| paultag | mhall119: yeah, it will -- and be able to swap what I call "contexts" -- so you can sudo syn --context dev, and it will swap in all the headers / gcc (and so on), and then swap back after | 02:26 |
| paultag | mhall119: it will also let you swap versions in and out, so you can test against different versions of a library | 02:26 |
| mhall119 | oh very nice | 02:26 |
| mhall119 | I wonder if it would somehow be possible to say "Run this process with version x of this other app, but let everything else on the system use version y of that other app' | 02:27 |
| paultag | mhall119: yeah actually ;) | 02:28 |
| nigelb | mhall119: oooh, that'd be cool | 02:28 |
| paultag | mhall119: once a binary is loaded into memory, it's not tied into the filesystem | 02:28 |
| mhall119 | like, say, running Django using an old version of south and jquery | 02:28 |
| mhall119 | would be super helpful for us developing LD and summit | 02:28 |
| paultag | mhall119: yeah, but it fights with dpkg ;) | 02:29 |
| nigelb | oh, so we have to become hermits like you to use it? :P | 02:29 |
| paultag | nigelb: yeah :) | 02:29 |
| mhall119 | can we just symlink in being a hermit when we need it? | 02:29 |
| nigelb | bug :P | 02:29 |
| paultag | I guess :) | 02:30 |
| mhall119 | syn --context hermittag | 02:30 |
| paultag | I could try to make a LiveCD, but I'm not sure it'd take :) | 02:30 |
| paultag | mhall119: working on it ;) | 02:30 |
| paultag | the iso format won't allow for similinks IIRC | 02:30 |
| mhall119 | I've been following your posts about it with interest | 02:30 |
| paultag | so It'd have to be a sqash fs that extracts to ram | 02:30 |
| paultag | mhall119: thanks :) | 02:30 |
| mhall119 | you could do it in the squashfs, or even as part of the casper startup | 02:31 |
| nigelb | mhall119: I've been thinking of a livecd that has everything setup for web dev | 02:31 |
| paultag | aye, but for now, I'd like to see it just work (tm) :) | 02:31 |
| nigelb | mhall119: no config needed, It Should Just Work (tm) like. | 02:31 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: who said anything about config? | 02:32 |
| nigelb | mhall119: I meant apache config, which is generally nightmarish | 02:32 |
| mhall119 | I'm thinking a livecd could show it off by letting you boot different syn contexts | 02:32 |
| paultag | there's one linux distro that's startup is dictated by XML or something | 02:32 |
| paultag | mhall119: that'd be nice. It'd be cool to swap KDE and GNOME, and get rid of duplicate apps from the system while you're in another context | 02:33 |
| paultag | it'd still use up fs space, but meh :) | 02:33 |
| nigelb | boot from usb | 02:33 |
| mhall119 | I was more thinking swapping between stable and devel versions of the system packages | 02:33 |
| paultag | aye | 02:34 |
| mhall119 | so, you could theoretically ship a Maverick + Natty ISO | 02:34 |
| paultag | yup! :) | 02:34 |
| paultag | and on failure, in theory pull back the package to a stable version | 02:34 |
| nigelb | that'd be fun | 02:35 |
| nigelb | and paultag would go crazy trying to work with deps :p | 02:35 |
| paultag | nigelb: yeah, it's not going to be nice. At least I don't have to worry about dep order | 02:35 |
| nigelb | paultag: this would still be apt right? | 02:36 |
| paultag | nigelb: no | 02:36 |
| nigelb | err, debs | 02:36 |
| paultag | nigelb: narp | 02:36 |
| nigelb | s/apt/deb | 02:36 |
| paultag | nigelb: syn, it's my own format | 02:36 |
| nigelb | ooooh | 02:36 |
| paultag | nigelb: github/paultag/syn | 02:36 |
| mhall119 | so, how long until dependency resolution drives you totally mad? | 02:36 |
| paultag | mhall119: I plan on ignoring it as long as I can | 02:36 |
| paultag | ;) | 02:37 |
| nigelb | mhall119: I think we could start the countdown | 02:37 |
| paultag | dude, I'm stuck without internet, what else does a man do> | 02:37 |
| mhall119 | it's like the Shining | 02:38 |
| paultag | I did wnat any sane hacker would do, spend his time offline writing a package manager | 02:38 |
| nigelb | paultag: haha, I know the feeling. That's when I configured ldap :P | 02:38 |
| * paultag rocks back and forth | 02:38 | |
| mhall119 | or the simpson's version of the Shinning | 02:38 |
| nigelb | ok, so everyone pool in and make sure paultag has sattilite connectivity | 02:38 |
| mhall119 | No IRC and no Internet makes paultag, something something | 02:38 |
| nigelb | or he'll go mad with dep resolution | 02:38 |
| paultag | I've come to the conclusion that writing a package manager is goddamn stupid | 02:39 |
| nigelb | mhall119: No IRC and no internet makes paultag build crazy stuff :P | 02:39 |
| paultag | nigelb: ja :) | 02:39 |
| nigelb | Finally! | 02:39 |
| paultag | nigelb: I'm not going to stop working on it! | 02:40 |
| paultag | I want it on my netbook >:D | 02:40 |
| mhall119 | paultag: I think it's one of those developer milestones, along with writing a web framework and a programming language | 02:40 |
| paultag | mhall119: so far, I've done both of those, so it's about time to pass this milestone :) | 02:40 |
| nigelb | paultag: its the realization that counts | 02:40 |
| mhall119 | and if you're a Java dev, a swing layout manager | 02:40 |
| nigelb | mhall119: and templating engine | 02:41 |
| mhall119 | oh right, templating engine definitely | 02:41 |
| mhall119 | also, writing your own datetime calculations, one of the earliest and most painful milestones | 02:41 |
| nigelb | oh, don't get me started on datetime. | 02:41 |
| nigelb | I've been kicking myself about that summit bug. | 02:41 |
| * mhall119 says "DST" to nigelb | 02:41 | |
| nigelb | oh hell. | 02:42 |
| * nigelb headdesks. | 02:42 | |
| mhall119 | :) | 02:42 |
| mhall119 | like I said, painful | 02:42 |
| * mhall119 should write down a comprehensive list of developer milestones | 02:42 | |
| nigelb | Vry. | 02:42 |
| nigelb | Very. | 02:42 |
| nigelb | mhall119: oh, just cut internet from paultag and list down what he writes :P | 02:42 |
| mhall119 | lol | 02:43 |
| mhall119 | too true | 02:43 |
| paultag | last time I was caught without anything to do, I wrote game of life only using ints | 02:43 |
| paultag | and using bitwise operations to bring processing from o(n) to o(1) | 02:43 |
| paultag | http://blog.pault.ag/post/3440210498/the-game-of-life-and-why-i-love-this-problem <-- for folks who want to read it :) | 02:44 |
| nigelb | Oh, I need to post the postcards today | 02:45 |
| paultag | https://gist.github.com/838285 <-- code for the hackers in the room | 02:45 |
| paultag | anywho, BBL over here | 02:48 |
| paultag | One love, folks | 02:48 |
| nigelb | mhall119: is it 22:50-ish for you? | 02:51 |
| duanedesign | hello all | 03:09 |
| dpm | good morning everyone! | 07:06 |
| czajkowski | *yawns8 morning | 07:10 |
| nigelb | morning dpm and ara :) | 07:13 |
| * nigelb growls at netsplits today | 07:13 | |
| czajkowski | I dislike pulseaudio | 07:22 |
| kim0 | morning folks | 07:54 |
| nigelb | hey kim0! | 08:16 |
| nigelb | kim0: is the schedule for cloud days fixed? | 08:16 |
| kim0 | nigelb: hey | 08:17 |
| kim0 | why is that | 08:17 |
| nigelb | kim0: Do we have your green to go ahead and add to the calander? | 08:17 |
| kim0 | ah yes please do | 08:17 |
| nigelb | kim0: awesome, I'll get it done today evening and you can confirm before your EOD | 08:17 |
| * kim0 nods | 08:17 | |
| kim0 | Thanks man | 08:18 |
| nigelb | :) | 08:19 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:47 |
| nigelb | hey dholbach :) | 09:02 |
| dholbach | hey nigelb | 09:03 |
| nigelb | dholbach: good WE? :) | 09:03 |
| dholbach | very good - how was yours? | 09:03 |
| nigelb | Full of awesome :) | 09:04 |
| popey | Morning! | 10:03 |
| nigelb | hey popey | 10:08 |
| duanedesign | morning all | 10:39 |
| huats | morning everyone | 10:47 |
| dpm | wow, thanks daker for the merge proposal with the fixes to the translations portal! | 11:46 |
| dpm | I'm looking at it right now | 11:46 |
| daker | ok | 11:47 |
| daker | i am not really good in drupal, but i have tried to make it nice | 11:47 |
| daker | brb | 11:47 |
| dpm | you're probably much better than I am :) | 11:48 |
| kim0 | @dpm daker is made of awesome :D | 11:52 |
| dpm | yeah, I can tell :) | 12:03 |
| dholbach | nigelb, I just had a look at the dev/loco overlap script and I found the bug | 12:23 |
| dholbach | it's "finished" now :) | 12:23 |
| dholbach | czajkowski, ^ :) | 12:24 |
| nigelb | dholbach: I just saw your mail, sorry I couldn't get around to it | 12:25 |
| dholbach | no worries | 12:25 |
| nigelb | dholbach: falling sick etc, caused the delay | 12:26 |
| nigelb | dholbach: btw, does EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT still exist? | 12:26 |
| dholbach | no, we replaced it in all kinds of scripts | 12:26 |
| nigelb | well, the overlap script seems to use edge | 12:27 |
| dholbach | for some reason it still seems to work ;-) | 12:27 |
| nigelb | all hail lifeless :P | 12:28 |
| daker | back :) | 12:41 |
| daker | thanks kim0 :) | 12:41 |
| akgraner | greg-g yep he is awesome - I am going to review his python tutorial and give feedback | 13:26 |
| akgraner | since it's geared to people like me with no programming experience | 13:26 |
| greg-g | akgraner: awesome! | 13:27 |
| akgraner | I first meet him at SCaLE I was talking about how cool I thought openhatch was and he says, "Hi, I'm one of the maintainers." | 13:28 |
| akgraner | Craig was at PyCon too... | 13:29 |
| akgraner | those guys are cool too..I had to leave earlier than I thought on Sunday so I missed their bof/podcast/interview session | 13:30 |
| greg-g | akgraner: you mean Rick? of Lococast? (and sorry, I had to walk away from the computer for a bit) | 13:56 |
| akgraner | I think they were both there but I only talked to Craig... | 13:56 |
| czajkowski | took just under 2 hrs last night to do the install of natty on my laptop :( | 14:27 |
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| mhall119 | did something go wrong, or do you just have a slow drive? | 14:28 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, wow - it only took me about ten minutes on an HP mini | 14:48 |
| czajkowski | download was fine | 14:53 |
| czajkowski | took 20 mins | 14:53 |
| czajkowski | but the install | 14:53 |
| czajkowski | and clean up | 14:53 |
| czajkowski | 2 hrs | 14:53 |
| czajkowski | took about the same last year on my mini 9 | 14:53 |
| mhall119 | cleanup? | 15:07 |
| mhall119 | did you have it automatically download and install updated packages? | 15:08 |
| mhall119 | that might explain the extra time | 15:08 |
| jono | dholbach, can we go now? | 16:10 |
| jono | jcastro, quick call, looks like dholbach is out with the dog | 16:14 |
| jcastro | sure! | 16:15 |
| jcastro | I am on skypes! | 16:15 |
| jcastro | jono: just ring whenever | 16:15 |
| dholbach | jono, back now - so just call whenever :) | 16:19 |
| jono | dholbach, otp with jcastro, won't be long | 16:20 |
| dholbach | sure | 16:20 |
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| dholbach | kim0, jcastro: ready | 17:21 |
| dholbach | mumble? skype? | 17:21 |
| kim0 | dholbach: jcastro skype | 17:22 |
| dholbach | kim0, just call whenever | 17:22 |
| jcastro | ready! | 17:22 |
| kim0 | jcastro: can u call | 17:23 |
| jcastro | sure | 17:23 |
| JFo | jcastro, dude... your askubuntu profile has me craving tacos now. | 17:43 |
| jcastro | everyone loves tacos | 17:45 |
| popey | gah, i want mexican food now | 17:45 |
| * popey shakes his fist at this window, closes it and goes home | 17:45 | |
| jcastro | you know what I love about tacos? | 17:46 |
| jcastro | tacos. | 17:46 |
| dholbach | ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow | 17:50 |
| * dholbach hugs you all | 17:50 | |
| pleia2 | greg-g: have a few minutes to look over a CC BY-SA 3.0 question? | 18:20 |
| greg-g | pleia2: send it on over | 18:22 |
| pleia2 | greg-g: great, email? | 18:22 |
| greg-g | pleia2: that works well | 18:23 |
| greg-g | greg@grossmeier.net | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | thanks, sent :) | 18:23 |
| czajkowski | JFo: you free for a quick pm ? | 18:31 |
| czajkowski | not urgent or anything | 18:31 |
| JFo | sure | 18:33 |
| JFo | czajkowski, ^^ | 18:33 |
| czajkowski | thanks | 18:33 |
| JFo | np | 18:33 |
| czajkowski | me and natty are going to have a massive falling out | 18:45 |
| czajkowski | :( | 18:45 |
| czajkowski | and now gwibber has gone | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | this is really not been a good upgrade | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | :( | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | off to talk nicely to kenvandine | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | :( | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | *sobs* | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | greg-g: thank you! :) | 19:26 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine has so much patence | 19:30 |
| czajkowski | *patience | 19:30 |
| Pendulum | czajkowski: did he fix your Unity? | 19:32 |
| czajkowski | he knows why gwibber is behaving the way it is | 19:32 |
| czajkowski | logged the plymouth bug | 19:32 |
| Pendulum | *nods* | 19:32 |
| czajkowski | updated the other bug on sound | 19:32 |
| czajkowski | so getting there | 19:32 |
| greg-g | pleia2: you're very welcome. I hope that helps. | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | greg-g: very much, I was leaning toward the same conclusion you came to but it's nice to have specifics to back it up :) | 19:37 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:39 |
| doctormo | How are yuo greg-g and pleia2? | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: great! you? | 19:46 |
| doctormo | Oh grand, got some good feedback on my Edubuntu wallpaper and made fun of Mark and Gnome on my blog using an edited public domain 1907 comic. | 19:47 |
| doctormo | Have a good weekend yourself? | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | I went to the zoo and saw a baby koala :) | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | which is the best thing ever | 19:48 |
| * AlanBell likes pleia2's zoo pictures | 19:48 | |
| czajkowski | awwww | 19:52 |
| greg-g | doctormo: doing good (actually, better, just went to get some coffee! ;) ) | 19:52 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: not seen AW yet hope it was good | 20:06 |
| doctormo | pleia2: Nice :-) drawing and laundry now though | 20:07 |
| doctormo | Did you see a meerkat at the zoo/ | 20:07 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: oh yes, I always visit the meerkats :) | 20:07 |
| czajkowski | that you do | 20:08 |
| czajkowski | :D | 20:08 |
| czajkowski | meerkat cafe also :) | 20:08 |
| doctormo | czajkowski: How's you? | 20:08 |
| czajkowski | fine thanks | 20:08 |
| pleia2 | meerkat cafe was awesome :) | 20:09 |
| doctormo | czajkowski: Doing anything for wednesday? | 20:09 |
| czajkowski | whats hapepning wednesday ? | 20:10 |
| doctormo | czajkowski: St. Patricks day isnt it? the Boston perade is next Sunday | 20:11 |
| czajkowski | THURSDAY | 20:11 |
| czajkowski | march 17th | 20:11 |
| czajkowski | I've the day booked off | 20:11 |
| czajkowski | dr.s in the morning and beers in the afternoon | 20:11 |
| czajkowski | refuse to work a day that has always been a national holiday for me | 20:12 |
| czajkowski | :D | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | shouldn't the day *after* be the holiday? ;) | 20:12 |
| pleia2 | or is that just a sick day? hehe | 20:12 |
| czajkowski | I've also booked that day off too | 20:12 |
| czajkowski | 2 mates from ireland are coming over | 20:13 |
| czajkowski | :D | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | haha, nice | 20:13 |
| czajkowski | 4 day weekend :D | 20:13 |
| doctormo | Sorry, Thursday. I bet you don't know when St. David's day is though ;-) | 20:13 |
| doctormo | We're going to be having some fun, promised not to wear bowler hat, wave any sort of orange or union jack. | 20:14 |
| czajkowski | :o | 20:14 |
| jcastro | UDS in barcelona was for ..... which ubuntu? | 20:23 |
| pleia2 | karmic | 20:23 |
| jcastro | wow really? | 20:24 |
| jcastro | man | 20:24 |
| jcastro | I was thinking at least lucid | 20:24 |
| mhall119 | lucid would have been state-side | 20:24 |
| pleia2 | yeah, lucid was dallas (my first one, I convinced my boss to let me go because it was an lts uds :)) | 20:25 |
| czajkowski | how do I log a bug against print screen no longer working | 20:29 |
| AlanBell | is is the alt+prtscr bug? | 20:44 |
| doctormo | czajkowski: depends if it's an issue with the keyboard event or the program | 20:45 |
| popey | i suspect not AlanBell it works in natty now | 20:45 |
| doctormo | run gnome screenshot diectly and find out. | 20:45 |
| czajkowski | it runs fine if I fun it in gnome | 20:49 |
| czajkowski | or from command line | 20:49 |
| czajkowski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/735120 | 20:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 735120 in unity "print screen key no longer works in unity" [Undecided,New] | 20:58 |
| paultag | nigelb: http://pastebin.com/TEBiBEdL | 23:20 |
| mhall119 | man, things are just going crazy in Japan | 23:50 |
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