[03:55] <tohuw> I just installed mysql. How do I run "mysql" if the user mysql has no password?
[04:00] <tohuw> oh, mysql -u root -p
[04:00] <tohuw> nevermind
[06:29] <Cherish> Why I use auth_digest can't login my web site?
[06:40] <overrider> I am having trouble with my 10.04 samba installation. How can i completely remove it, then reinstall it? apt-get purge does not do it, because it leaves /etc/samba and other files in place. Manually removing those also bad, because then a reinstall will not recreate those default files. Any clue? Thanks
[06:57] <whalesalad> Anyone know how to get the latest nginx package running on karmic? I need at least 8.4 and would rather not build from source (I enjoy using apt-get, not from ease of use, but for portability)
[07:10] <EvilPhoenix> whalesalad:  no backports?
[07:10] <whalesalad> EvilPhoenix: ?
[07:10] <EvilPhoenix> s/no/did you check the/
[07:10] <whalesalad> ah, not sure what those are
[07:10] <EvilPhoenix> they're not-completely-supported updates
[07:11] <whalesalad> where can I look for something like that?
[07:11] <EvilPhoenix> pushed to an older distribution from a newer build
[07:11] <EvilPhoenix> uhm...
[07:11] <EvilPhoenix> afaik, it'd be added to your sources.list file
[07:11] <EvilPhoenix> you were looking for nginx 8.4 or greater?
[07:12] <whalesalad> yes
[07:12] <whalesalad> im doing an "apt-get upgrade" right now
[07:12] <EvilPhoenix> iio
[07:12] <EvilPhoenix> oop*
[07:12] <EvilPhoenix> uhm...
[07:13] <EvilPhoenix> hate to say it, but according to packages.ubuntu.com (the site for the package lists), there's no nginx >= 0.7.x available in anything
[07:13] <EvilPhoenix> cept the natty repos and natty isnt released
[07:14] <whalesalad> yea that's retarded to be honest
[07:14] <whalesalad> 8.54 is the current nginx stable
[07:14] <EvilPhoenix> well let me explain it like the QA people explained it to me about backports
[07:14] <whalesalad> okay
[07:15] <EvilPhoenix> "there's nobody willing to put the time nor the effort into making something that's proven stable on the newer builds compatible with the older builds"
[07:15] <EvilPhoenix> s/nobody/almost/
[07:15] <EvilPhoenix> and also
[07:16] <EvilPhoenix> from experience
[07:16] <EvilPhoenix> "Something proven to work on a newer build might just completely fubar your computer"
[07:16] <EvilPhoenix> ^  true statement
[07:16] <whalesalad> okay
[07:16] <EvilPhoenix> so yeah, you might be stuck compiling from source ;/
[07:16] <EvilPhoenix> :/ *
[07:16] <whalesalad> okay
[07:16] <EvilPhoenix> shut up bot
[07:16] <whalesalad> hah
[07:17] <EvilPhoenix> god, this bot's almost as bad as my loco team's bot >.>
[07:17] <EvilPhoenix> but yeah, that's one reason backports arent really commonly done
[07:18] <EvilPhoenix> only time i've seen a DECENT backport is with the 2.6.35 kernel backport from maverick => lucid
[07:18] <whalesalad> how painless is it to do full distribution upgrades btw?
[07:18] <whalesalad> like karmic -> lucid
[07:18] <EvilPhoenix> um...
[07:18] <whalesalad> not that it helps in this specific case..
[07:18] <EvilPhoenix> do you want my brutally honest opinion, or a somewhat honest opinion?
[07:18] <EvilPhoenix> or both
[07:18] <whalesalad> well
[07:18] <whalesalad> I have a production server in sweden that I am in control of
[07:19] <whalesalad> I can't afford a ton of crap, because I only have one to play with (they only have one prod server)
[07:19] <EvilPhoenix> so...
[07:19] <whalesalad> so I can't stage everything (updates)
[07:19] <EvilPhoenix> basically you cant fubar it
[07:19] <whalesalad> yeah
[07:19] <whalesalad> but at the same time, I have zero patience
[07:19] <whalesalad> :<
[07:19] <EvilPhoenix> well...
[07:19] <whalesalad> I frequently ignore major updates to linux boxes
[07:19] <EvilPhoenix> lets put it this way
[07:19] <whalesalad> and I'd like ot get into the habit of keeping them fresh
[07:20] <EvilPhoenix> in my honest opinion...
[07:20] <EvilPhoenix> the best upgrade is a fresh install and you restore data from backups
[07:20] <EvilPhoenix> BUT
[07:20] <EvilPhoenix> that's because there's ******ALWAYS****** the chance something goes wrong during upgrading
[07:20] <whalesalad> ah, okay
[07:20] <whalesalad> that makes sense
[07:21] <EvilPhoenix> i've successfully went from jaunty -> karmic upgrade
[07:21] <EvilPhoenix> then the subsequent karmic -> lucid upgrade failed badly
[07:21] <EvilPhoenix> hundreds of broken things
[07:21] <EvilPhoenix> ended up fresh installing anyways :P
[07:21] <whalesalad> right on
[07:21] <whalesalad> I need to start my own hosting company
[07:21] <EvilPhoenix> so yeah, you could do dist-upgrade if ya want
[07:22] <EvilPhoenix> but be aware: you should   A L W A Y S   have a backup copy of everythign
[07:22] <whalesalad> yeah
[07:22] <whalesalad> well the db server is external, and the code is in git
[07:22] <EvilPhoenix> JUST IN CASE the upgrade fails miserably
[07:22] <whalesalad> only thing I need is config info
[07:22] <whalesalad> do you happen to have any kindof backup in place for your /etc dir or anything like that?
[07:23] <EvilPhoenix> for my boxes?
[07:24] <whalesalad> also, hmm. this was my fail. I tried to install the 8.53 deb directly from natty or whatever
[07:24] <whalesalad> ran into some issues... so tried to sorta undo all that now nginx appears as uninstalled
[07:24] <whalesalad> but nginx is still installed (the karmic one), and it's still running
[07:24] <EvilPhoenix> RAID6 across 6 disks + local-net rsync on a weekly basis + monthly physical cloning of the drive
[07:24] <EvilPhoenix> that's my setup ;P
[07:25] <whalesalad> sounds pretty tasty... I haven't graduated from VPS hosting yet
[07:25] <EvilPhoenix> (yes, i've got some mean hardware here :P)
[07:25] <EvilPhoenix> yeah, i've got 2 VPSes for my business
[07:25] <EvilPhoenix> this box here though with the crazy setup like that...
[07:26] <EvilPhoenix> no, that box is my personal server box :P
[07:27] <EvilPhoenix> that thing's too good for hosting things cept the stuff i personally need >:)
[07:27] <EvilPhoenix> but yeah, VPS hosting is decent
[07:27] <EvilPhoenix> i personally cba to set it up
[07:27] <EvilPhoenix> (hence why I dont have a dedi box somewhere :P)
[09:17] <lifeless> kirkland: hi
[09:17] <lifeless> kirkland: (i realise its nuts-am for you). I'll ping you tomorrow - I want to chat about a lp bug on blueprints you filed
[09:32] <Cherish> apache2-mpm-worker doesn't support php5 ?
[09:32] <Cherish> I must use apache2-mpm-prefork ?
[09:38] <_ruben> iirc, yes
[09:48] <soren> Cherish: It's sort of the other way around, but the effect is the same.
[09:49] <soren> Cherish: It's not apache-mpm-worker that doesn't support php5. It's php5 that doesn't support apache-mpm-worker. php on UNIX isn't guaranteed to be thread safe, so you're stuck with prefork.
[10:01] <Cherish> soren: maybe can use fastcgi
[10:27] <soren> Cherish: Sure.
[10:33] <jamespage> ttx: ping
[10:34] <ttx> jamespage: pong
[11:12] <HackeMate> hello
[11:12] <HackeMate> i can access my webdav server but i cant write on it
[11:43] <Tophat> anyone mind helping me setup an SNTP server?
[11:50] <jetole> Hey guys. I have a problem with libvirt failing to autostart some domains in 10.04.02 on x86_64. I traced both issues to one common factor, it seems libvirt is starting before networking is setup. Does anyone know how I can change when it boots using the new-ish /etc/init (since it no longer uses the init.d folder)?
[11:51] <soren> jetole: start on network-device-up IFACE=eth0
[11:51] <soren> jetole: For instance.
[11:51] <soren> jetole: Eerr..
[11:51] <soren> jetole: net-device-up
[11:51] <soren> jetole: Not network.
[11:52] <jetole> so I replace start on runlevel [2345] with start on network-device-up IFACE=br0 ?
[11:52] <soren> jetole: More likely you want IFACE=br0
[11:52] <soren> net-device-up, but yes.
[11:52]  * jetole gives it a try
[11:52] <jetole> can I specify two nics?
[11:52] <soren> jetole: You might ant to do "start on runlevel [2345] and net-device-up IFACE=br0"
[11:53] <jetole> I have NFS on SAN and DNS on WAN and both are relating to two different VMs
[11:53] <soren> jetole: You might ant to do "start on runlevel [2345] and net-device-up IFACE=br0 and net-device-up IFACE=br1"
[11:53] <soren> Err..
[11:53] <jetole> can I add another and?
[11:53] <soren> Sorry, that came out weird.
[11:53] <jetole> I knew what you meant
[11:53] <soren> Yeah, just like I did in the last one.
[11:54] <jetole> start on runlevel [2345] and net-device-up IFACE=br0 and net-device-up IFACE=br1
[11:54] <jetole> ?
[11:54] <jetole> that should run?... ah lemme reboot and see
[11:54] <jetole> *let me
[11:55] <soren> Looks ok to me.
[11:55] <jetole> rebooting the server now
[11:55]  * jetole thanks god for KVM over IP
[11:56] <Tophat> needing to setup SNTP server to serve my routers, wanting to use ubuntu-server -- want to advertise local machine time instead of relaying public SNTP servers.  is this possible?
[11:56] <jetole> After I get this running I need to go over to the data center and pluck a failed disk on a RAID 5 that used to have a hot spare
[11:57] <jetole> Tophat: don't don't about local machine time but have you considered NTP vs. SNTP (afaik they are different protocols)
[11:58] <jetole> soren: well it worked though I still have one VM which didn't boot. Looking into the _why_ now
[11:58] <jetole> soren: Do you know if there is a way to run it after either a) all mounts have finished or b) NFS mounts have finished?
[11:59] <RoyK> Tophat: apt-get install ntp
[11:59] <jetole> the I have _netdev as an option for the NFS mount in fstab but it seems like libvirt is still starting too soon
[12:00] <RoyK> jetole: sntp is a subset of ntp, an sntp client can query an ntp server
[12:00]  * jetole choose openntp since it doesn't rely on every NIC the way ntp does
[12:00] <RoyK> rely on every nic?
[12:00] <jetole> plus openntp was written by Theo from obsd and the obsd guys and they write good and secure software
[12:00] <soren> jetole: Sure.
[12:00] <soren> jetole: All mounts: filesystems
[12:01] <soren> jetole: All nfs mounts: remote-filesystems
[12:01] <jetole> soren: I appreciate it but don't get it. How would I re-write the following: start on runlevel [2345] and net-device-up IFACE=br0 and net-device-up IFACE=br1
[12:01] <jetole> ?
[12:02] <soren> jetole: start on net-device-up IFACE=br0 and net-device-up IFACE=br1 and filesystems
[12:02] <jetole> soren: thanks again
[12:03] <jetole> RoyK: ntp seems linked to every nic on a system and if starts / stops on every nic etc and is honestly messy on systems with a lot of nics though I hear that has been sorta fixed if you edit the ntp.conf, it's still a default
[12:03] <jetole> RoyK: openntp doesn't seem to have that issue
[12:03] <jetole> soren: I now understand what your comment meant after you showed the example
[12:04] <zul_> good morning....everyone except for soren in which case good day
[12:04] <jetole> lol
[12:07] <jetole> soren: I used the following string and libvirt didn't start. I only added " and filesystems". Do you know what might have happened?: start on runlevel [2345] and net-device-up IFACE=br0 and net-device-up IFACE=br1 and filesystems
[12:09] <pmatulis> jetole: yes, /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate is strange to have
[12:10] <jetole> Does anyone have a good doc on upstart?
[12:10] <pmatulis> jetole: i believe the upstream docs are best right now
[12:11] <jetole> soren: crap. nevermind. it did start. it was just a late start but it seems like everything is working fine
[12:11] <jetole> soren: thanks again for the help
[12:12] <jetole> pmatulis: don't know what "the upstream docs" is referring to but I am specifically looking for start on conditions
[12:12] <soren> jetole: Sure.
[12:14] <jetole> Ah I am going to the data center for a couple of hours. bbl and thanks for all the help
[12:15] <patdk-wk> upstream would mean, debian, or the manainter of the program itself
[12:16] <patdk-wk> !upstream
[12:16] <patdk-wk> stupid bot
[13:01] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[13:47] <kirkland> lifeless: howdy, here now
[13:50] <polyvisual> Hello
[13:51] <polyvisual> Can anyone suggest how I can monitor the amount of traffic between my web server and a range of IP addresses?
[13:53] <polyvisual> I more lightweight the better. I looked at vnstat but that's 'per interface'.
[13:55] <RoyK> awstats?
[13:55] <RoyK> I don't think that allows for filtering per IP address or range, though
[13:57] <polyvisual> Cheers, but awstats is a bit too heavyweight.
[13:58] <polyvisual> The server connects to a bunch of proxy servers, pulls a bunch of data, then closes the connection. All I need is the bandwidth for the range of ip addresses.
[14:01] <kim0> hallyn: hi there .. kvm-spice is crashing consistently with "kvm-spice: /build/buildd/qemu-kvm-spice-0.14.0+noroms/qemu-kvm.c:1724: kvm_mutex_unlock: Assertion `!cpu_single_env' failed"
[14:03] <speakman> Not quite the right channel maybe, but do any of you have any idea how to trace what's causing this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/580065/ ?
[14:06] <Caribou1> speakman, MCE are most often caused by hardware issues. If the problem repeats itself frequently, you could enable crash dump capture to get a vmcore for analysis
[14:07] <screen-x> Hi all. Installed lucid on new server, adding an nfs mount to fstab causes boot to fail. I booted with init=/bin/bash, and commented out the nfs line. Server then boots fine including networking.
[14:07] <Caribou1> You could also check with your hardware vendor if you have any kind of hardware support
[14:07] <geekbri> screen-x: is it possible it just needs an option like nobootwait?
[14:07] <screen-x> geekbri: very possible :)
[14:08] <screen-x> I havent had to use that option before, new requirement in lucid?
[14:08] <geekbri> screen-x: its just an option that says the system does not have to report an error if the partition isn't found.
[14:09] <screen-x> geekbri: thing is, its a necessary partition, so really I do want it to be present and mounted before  the system considers itself booted.
[14:09] <screen-x> s/partition/nfs mount/
[14:09] <geekbri> screen-x: hrm yes i see
[14:09] <patdk-wk> use _netdev instead of nobootwait
[14:10] <kirkland> lifeless: saw your comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/487337
[14:10] <kirkland> lifeless: your reading is fine;  that would be nice
[14:10] <kirkland> lifeless: thanks
[14:11] <screen-x> patdk-wk: can't see _netdev in man page for fstab or mountall, use it as an option in fstab?
[14:11] <patdk-wk> yep
[14:11] <patdk-wk> it's even in the howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[14:11] <geekbri> screen-x: it basically says "this device needs networking"
[14:12] <screen-x> geekbri: isnt that implicit in type=nfs?
[14:12] <screen-x> I've put _netdev in fstab, rebooting now to see if it works.
[14:13] <geekbri> screen-x: I guess not :)
[14:15] <screen-x> still failing with "mount.nfs: DNS resolution failed for blah.blah.blah"
[14:15] <speakman> Caribou1: It's completely new stuff with a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.10. Intel Xeon W3680 with 24GB Kingston ECC RAM on a Asus WS Revolution motherboard, 850W Cooler Master PSU and a CPU temp not above 45 degrees celcius.
[14:16] <geekbri> screen-x:  hrm well thats strange.  just out of curiosity could you temporarily use the IP instead of the DNS address
[14:16] <speakman> Caribou1: I have got mcelog installed now, but what do you suggest for further investigation? It happens randomly and has nothing to do with any load (yesterday, it happened while I was logged out and there is no server daemons or such running == completely idleing)
[14:16] <patdk-wk> or add the dns name and ip to /etc/hosts
[14:17] <Caribou1> By hardware issue, I did not mean hardware failure. I recently investigated an MCE which was caused by the F/W of the 10 GbE NIC
[14:17] <geekbri> yup thats only dangerous if you forget to remove it eventually :(
[14:17] <speakman> Caribou1: I'm all ears! And since all parts are new, there should be no problems returning anything disfuctional!
[14:17] <patdk-wk> geekbri, remove it? don't update it :)
[14:17] <screen-x> I'll try adding a hosts entry.
[14:18] <geekbri> patdk-wk: well if its something that has an actual DNS entry you dont want to have it always be over written on manually edited, especially if its a file system critical to the system :(  what if somebody changes the DNS entry but the host entry is still there!
[14:18] <Caribou1> Well, you might want to configure crash dump capture (aptitude install linux-crashdump I think) then, once you get a valid vmcore, have a look at it with the crash utility so see if there is any more information in the kernel ring buffer
[14:19]  * patdk-wk just doesn't use dns at all for nfs
[14:19] <patdk-wk> or iscsi
[14:19] <geekbri> yeah i dont either
[14:19] <patdk-wk> but for vmware it pretty much forced me too
[14:20] <geekbri> i started using KVM and im hoping we will no longer need vmware ;)
[14:20] <patdk-wk> I can't grow enough with kvm
[14:21] <patdk-wk> plus, the whole xen -> kvm switch really didn't sit with me well
[14:21] <patdk-wk> and I am not going go through another switch, kvm -> x
[14:21] <BCS-Satori> Is there a way to refresh my partitions on /dev/md0 (mdadm drive) without rebooting so that the OS sees the drive?  If I do "parted /dev/md0" and print I can see the partition but the disk is missing when I do "ls /dev/md0*"
[14:21] <geekbri> hey fair enough, we aren't too big of an operation and the KVM stuff is only internal so hopefully it will do for us
[14:21] <patdk-wk> ya, kvm just doesn't support memory overcommit well enough yet
[14:22] <screen-x> BCS-Satori: partprobe
[14:23] <BCS-Satori> screen-x: I tried already, it did not detect the new partition
[14:23] <BCS-Satori> screen-x: I think its a mdadm refresh issue maybe?
[14:23] <screen-x> :(
[14:24] <hallyn> kim0: still working on setting up a test env.  does every guest os do thta for you?  And only since version -ppa1?
[14:25] <screen-x> BCS-Satori: I'm not sure what else to do, maybe could restart the array if you arent using any of the other partitions?
[14:28] <BCS-Satori> screen-x: ya I have iscsitarget running on several partitions on /dev/md0.  Its in a cluster I could reboot figured there has to be a way to not reboot
[14:29] <BCS-Satori> screen-x: seems blockdev and hdparm give this error "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy" which is probably why partprobe doesn't work
[14:37] <piken> Does anyone know of a way to get a list of all package dependencies including the dependencies of those dependencies?
[14:37] <piken> for example, build-essential package list and their dependencies.
[14:37] <piken> I am trying to build a vmware studio image but it has no access to outside repos and I must have all the deps on the VMWare studio server.
[14:38] <screen-x> geekbri: patdk-wk my server boots ok, with the nfs mount as an IP, rather than DNS name.
[14:38] <screen-x> Seems like a bug
[14:39] <geekbri> screen-x: i honestly would avoid DNS names for NFS mounts always anyway... it just adds another possible layer for failure :)
[14:40] <patdk-wk> that sounds like it could be a *fun* bug :)
[14:40] <screen-x> heh, in bind9??
[14:40] <raubvogel> upstart question: if I have "start on" in the config file for a given service with nothing after it, would I then have stopped this service  from  starting up?
[14:40] <geekbri> screen-x: see just another reason to avoid DNS for nfs right ;)
[14:41] <screen-x> geekbri: hmm ;-)
[14:48] <nimrod10> piken, the closest that I can think of your use case is to use          apt-cache rdepends  ~Dpackage_name
[14:54] <kim0> hallyn: I'm only only testing the win7 guest. AFAIK, that bug is related to qxl driver. It seemed to have started with kvm-spice separate binary
[14:56] <nimrod10> piken, also see if you can find something useful here : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations
[15:00] <madmax_x> so i have a race condition here with my network ...after a power failure.... my ubuntu box boots before the dhcp server does...is there a way to have nm-applet or /etc/networking auto retry dhcp after a timed delay?
[15:01] <laen> lol?
[15:01] <patdk-wk> dhcp attempts to for several min
[15:01] <patdk-wk> maybe adjust the dhcp timeout in dhcp?
[15:01] <madmax_x> im using nm-applet to manage the network connection from with X....it tries fails and sits there
[15:02] <madmax_x> if i wait for the server to come up its as simeple as telling it to use "auto eth0"
[15:02] <patdk-wk> maybe try #ubuntu?
[15:02] <patdk-wk> network-manager isn't part of server
[15:03] <madmax_x> sorry to bug you...thnx
[15:03] <nimrod10> madmax_x, just restart the  network-manager service
[15:04] <madmax_x> the problem is w/o an ip i cant get to the box...i have to go to the physical machine and reset the network
[15:05] <nimrod10> a I didn't realize that !
[15:06] <madmax_x> over the weekend the power company decided we didnt need power for 8 hours here at the university ... look at all the cool new 'features'...my system has a built in exercise function
[15:08] <madmax_x> i tried the retry setting in dhclienet.conf but it doesnt seem to apply to my nm-appplet setup
[15:08] <madmax_x> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[15:19] <hallyn> kim0: well, i don't think i can spend time on that bug.  There are much higher prio ones to be dealth with.  like grub2.vs.-vga-std.  We should keep talking to dev-zero about packaging into universe.  We can deal with the win7 client bug later
[15:24] <dschuett> Could anyone point me towards a tutorial that explains how to configure ssl for multiple virutalhosts on the same ip in ubuntu server 10.04 LTS?
[15:27] <mandad06> hi
[15:28] <joschi> dschuett: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI
[15:28] <mandad06> if someone can help me to instal the terminl of ubuntu in my win7
[15:29] <dschuett> thanks joschi! - just what i was looking for!
[15:33] <Kimb> if someone can help me to instal the terminl of ubuntu in my win7
[15:34] <raubvogel> If I am using update-rc.d to disable, not remove, a script why it wants to leave a startup script in rc1.d?
[16:09] <BCS-Satori> I have several volumes on /dev/md0 carved which are offered via iSCSI to VMware, so the volumes contain VMFS Partition.  Is it possible to grow the volume in parted (or something else) by adding raw disk space on the end of the volume so that ESX can increase the partition table?
[16:12] <anilhw> hi
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy!! quick question :). For orchestra, is it planned to do automatic key exhcnage between puppetmaster and client?
[16:23] <SpamapS> zul: "Opinion"?! come on.. thats at least Confirmed/Wishlist . ;)
[16:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, that's the idea;  i don't think we have an agreed upon solution for that yet
[16:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think that might be an oneiric target
[16:23] <zul> SpamapS: what are you talking about
[16:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I see, cause I'm just setting up puppet for the first time here and it indeed is tedious the whole signing process
[16:25] <joschi> RoAkSoAx: look into autosigning
[16:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right;  the end goal is for Orchestra-deployed Ubuntu systems would be automatically linked to the puppetmaster, and vice versa
[16:25] <joschi> kirkland: what's orchestra?
[16:25] <SpamapS> zul: bug 705691
[16:25] <RoAkSoAx> joschi: Ubuntu's installation and infrastructure service
[16:26] <joschi> RoAkSoAx: any URL on that thing available for the public? it's kind of hard to google for it ;)
[16:26] <zul> SpamapS: heh yeah
[16:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: right, so will the orchestra package pull puppet and set custom config files or will puppet itself will be modified for such purpose?
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> joschi: note that it is just the integration of different technologies to achieve our purpose :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-install-service
[16:28] <joschi> RoAkSoAx: just interested in it. it sounds a lot like foreman
[16:29] <hggdh> jamespage, got a problem with hudson-slave
[16:32] <kman> Hello.  Anyone have a fool (that's me) proof way of resetting a user password?  I can't remember the login password to log on.  I've tried the esc at grub loader > recovery but it is always asking me to login in and I have forgotten the password.
[16:32] <patdk-wk> mount the fs on a different computer
[16:33] <patdk-wk> or use like a livecd
[16:33] <kman> if I use ubuntu live do I then edit some file to allow the reset?
[16:33] <joschi> kman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so i was thinking and something like what was done with euca can be done in this case using puppet's maste-side client certificate generation
[16:37] <RoyK> hm... I have an issue here with Lucid and nfs/nis - a user can't chgrp a directory to another group which he also is a member of. Locally on the NFS server, this works, and testing with Maverick as the NFS server works
[16:37] <RoyK> http://pastebin.com/WNwNz8La
[16:37] <kman> Thanks will try the second way.  The first did not work for me.
[16:44] <jamespage> hggdh - whats the issue?
[16:46] <kman> I have tried all three suggested solutions in the link and none of them are working for me.  Can't find /bin/bash.  I think I will have to go with the live cd method.
[16:47] <hggdh> jamespage, http://paste.ubuntu.com/580189/
[16:48] <hggdh> jamespage, this was after a server restart
[16:48] <hggdh> up-to-date natty
[16:49] <jamespage> hggdh - looks like something might not be right on the hudson instance itself
[16:50] <hggdh> jamespage, hum. Reboot as an option?
[16:50] <jamespage> hggdh: might be a good first step
[16:50] <hggdh> jamespage, will do it now
[16:51] <jamespage>  hggdh: around but on a off for the next hour or so - ping me if this does not work
[16:54] <hggdh> jamespage, ack
[17:02] <jamespage> hggdh: full filesystem - now that I can see the log....
[17:07] <hggdh> oh bloody hell
[17:08] <jamespage> hggdh: suggest we shutdown hudson and clear up some of the older d-i logs
[17:08] <kirkland> SpamapS: re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/707479
[17:08] <kirkland> SpamapS: i was just about to patchpilot that one
[17:09] <kirkland> SpamapS: i see cjwatson's comment from a week ago, though
[17:09] <kirkland> SpamapS: and i also saw that jhunt has a big merge for natty too
[17:09] <SpamapS> kirkland: yeah, jhunt is almost done.. I'd hold off a bit longer.
[17:09] <kirkland> okay, thanks
[17:09] <SpamapS> kirkland: tho I definitely want that in natty.
[17:10] <SpamapS> I understand why restart works how it works.. but I fail to see where its actually ever useful that way. :-P
[17:10] <SpamapS> keybuk has had a lot more time to think this through and has a few use cases I'm sure.
[17:11] <kirkland> SpamapS: is he just going to commit your change supstream?
[17:11] <kirkland> SpamapS: when ready?
[17:12] <SpamapS> kirkland: no upstart-job doesn't exist upstream IIRC
[17:13] <SpamapS> upstream all thats going to happen is the restart command will be documented more completely
[17:15] <kirkland> SpamapS: got it, thanks
[17:21] <jamespage> hggdh: hmmm - looks like alot of the jobs don't clear down the workspace before they start
[17:21] <jamespage> so they just get bigger and bigger over time.
[17:22] <Orfeous> having some issues with SSL and apache2, i have generated a self-signed certificate but got some problems when restarting apache2, CN does not match servername...
[17:23] <Orfeous> what configs can i show to help resolv this?
[17:24] <SpamapS> kirkland: and thanks for looking into it.
[17:26] <Orfeous> i followed the certificate making guide here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html
[17:32] <hggdh> jamespage, yes. I am considering only leaving the last -- say -- 10 runs
[17:33] <jamespage> hggdh: thats not really the problem
[17:34] <jamespage> hggdh: http://pastebin.com/0dyNu4hm
[17:35] <jamespage> hggdh: that is for job 31 - it contains the archive for all previous jobs as well as they where present in the workspace.
[17:35] <hggdh> jamespage, oh
[17:35] <jamespage> hggdh: unless the job clears its workspace first you get this incremental build up
[17:35] <jamespage> lemme check which ones are doing this - I did fix a load automagically
[17:47] <jamespage> hggdh: looks like the TBench and DBench (for natty) tests did not have the updated script; all others looked OK to me.
[17:52] <hggdh> jamespage, indeed, the D|Tbench were old, I wrote them very early in the process
[18:15] <hggdh> jamespage, seems they are all set now. I will monitor and see if we missed any
[18:25] <axisys> !ipv6
[18:30] <axisys> i can ping my ipv4 ip using ping .. if i ping6 ipv6 ip i get "invalid argument" .. any idea why?
[18:34] <lifeless> kirkland: hi
[18:34] <lifeless> kirkland: so you're saying on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/487337 that it wasn't the freeform text you cared about, it was the list of explicitly linked bugs?
[18:37] <axisys> lsmod | grep ipv6 does not show anything
[18:49] <kman> OK I just tried doing the password change by esc at grub menu then recovery but I get the prompt for a root password.  then I tried the edit mode and still get prompted.  I just tried the LiveCD method where it suggests one changes the shadow file and the password is already set to the passwordless simple hash.  What to do now?
[18:50] <kman> I have forgotten the password.  When I went looking in the home directory I expected to see more than just a Ubuntu account. but that is all I can see.
[18:50] <kman> Anyone have any further suggestions before I reinstall?
[18:56] <crohakon> What is a good, free, alternative to cPanel to manage shared hosting?
[19:25] <Muuuh> Hi
[19:29] <Muuuh> We'd like to setup a Ubuntu server box between our LAN and existing Sonicwall box to do some packet filtering/logging. I'm gathering information at this stage so I can convince the IT manager to let me use Ubuntu. Has anyone done such a setup ?
[19:31] <b0gatyr> Hi can someone shed some light, I have a monitor plugged into an ubuntu box who's max res is 1280x1024 i plugged it into a KVM switch and now the resolution is 1024x768 and it gives me a max res of 1360x768 which is incorrect.. can anyone help
[19:32] <b0gatyr> how can i make it detect the right res?
[19:32] <pmatulis> Muuuh: i thought sonicwall *was* a packet filtering thing
[19:33] <Muuuh> pmatulis: indeed, but it's reporting facilities are not giving us what we want in terms of detailed traffic to the internet
[19:34] <RoyK> Muuuh: try snort
[19:34] <Muuuh> pmatulis: thus the idea to use a linux box in between
[19:34] <speakman> If anyone new has arrived; I'd like to help trace what's causing this; http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/580065/ on my Xeon W3680 + 6x4GB ECC RAM (QVD) on a Asus WS Revolution?
[19:34] <RoyK> Muuuh: just install snort on another machine connected to a sniffer port or hub on the internet - don't set an IP address on the NIC connected there, and you're in business
[19:35] <Muuuh> RoyK: ok, googling snort... you mean it will "snort" without being actually in the "pipeline" ?
[19:37] <RoyK> Muuuh: with a hub or a port configured as a sniffer/monitor port on the switch (most managed switches supports that), all the data will be sent to that port
[19:37] <RoyK> speakman: either a mobo or cpu failure, at least that's my guess
[19:38] <pmatulis> Muuuh: what kind of information are you after?
[19:38] <RoyK> mcelog has saved me some hours :P
[19:38] <RoyK> pmatulis: I would guess some sort of IDS
[19:39] <Muuuh> pmatulis: trying to nail down internet abusers
[19:39] <pmatulis> Muuuh: and abuse means what?
[19:39] <pmatulis> Muuuh: content?
[19:39] <RoyK> what's that? am I abusing the internet if I use the bandwidth I pay for? :)
[19:39] <b0gatyr> anyone
[19:40] <Muuuh> pmatulis: content is one aspect, yes
[19:40] <Muuuh> RoyK: well, you are if you're doing it on the job without your boss' authorization ;-)
[19:40] <bigbang> what you guys think of zimbra ? worth looking into it ?..
[19:41] <RoyK> Muuuh: spying on people's use of the web at work is bad, it's just BAD
[19:41] <Muuuh> since when ?
[19:41] <RoyK> bigbang: been using it for a couple of years - works splendidly :)
[19:41] <pmatulis> Muuuh: well we can't recommend a solution if we don't know all the criteria.  but snort can filter on pretty much anything
[19:42] <bigbang> awesome thanks RoyK .. :)
[19:42] <Muuuh> pmatulis: well, we're basically trying to gather evidence as to people wasting their time on internet instead of working
[19:42] <RoyK> Muuuh: if it's internal web traffic you're trying to monitor, just setup a proxy, squid works well
[19:42] <RoyK> bigbang: most hard-core ubuntu freaks don't like zimbra, since it's not really very open, but I do, even so
[19:44] <Muuuh> Management doesn't want to lock it down tight. It's just that they suspect some users of abuse, and wants to gather evidence before accusing
[19:44] <pmatulis> Muuuh: but i think there must be an easier tool like a kind of passive content filter
[19:45] <pmatulis> (monitoring instead of blocking)
[19:45] <Muuuh> as I said, we don.'t want to block, just gather useage data
[19:45] <RoyK> Muuuh: using squid as a transparent proxy will help you log these things quite easily
[19:45] <speakman> RoyK: based on..? All parts are completely new, and has a fresh Ubuntu 10.10 install. The failures is random with about a couple of days between (but as well a couple of times a day some days).
[19:46] <RoyK> speakman: sorry, you lost me - what are you talking about?
[19:46] <speakman> RoyK: Another issue which might be related, is the CPU temperature not showing on some sessions. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
[19:46] <speakman> RoyK: me MCE above
[19:46] <speakman> my
[19:46] <RoyK> ah
[19:48] <RoyK> speakman: according to the MCE dump, it seems to be a CPU issue, but I cannot say for sure - it may be the mobo as well. Are the logs showing different addresses for the issue?
[19:49] <pmatulis> Muuuh: see #24 here: http://contentfilter.futuragts.com/wiki/doku.php?id=faq#general_faq
[19:50] <RoyK> I have a similar issue on a server - mcelog logs every now and then - it used to hang the server during memory check, but doesn't after we got a new mobo, but still, errors keep ticking in. The supplier told me to swap the CPUs to see if the address was the same on the next error
[19:50] <speakman> RoyK: I have only got one log so far :(
[19:51] <speakman> RoyK: I have been running memtest86 for two hours (at least one complete pass) and no complains
[19:51] <RoyK> speakman: didn't you say it was crashing repeatedly?
[19:51] <RoyK> if so, use syslog, and setup remote logging to another box
[19:51] <speakman> RoyK: My problem is that the CPU and mobo is from two different suppliers. But there's probably no problems changing both of them.
[19:51] <RoyK> mcelog/syslog can't write to the disks if the system is panicing
[19:52] <speakman> RoyK: yes, but I didn't know what caused it earlier. Since I'm on X, I had to set up a netconsole to grab that message.
[19:52] <speakman> RoyK: Now I've setup mcelog as well
[19:52] <speakman> netconsole is the s*it :)
[19:52] <RoyK> just configure syslog to log to another box as well
[19:53] <RoyK> *.* @some.ip.in.house
[19:53] <RoyK> and remember to allow remote logs on that box
[19:54] <speakman> why really?
[19:54] <RoyK> because then you can catch logs that can't be written to disk if the system is panicing and i/o is blocked
[19:54] <speakman> I can read /var/log/syslog afterwords, and still I havn't found anything there yet.
[19:54]  * RoyK always uses a separate syslog server
[19:54] <speakman> RoyK: isn't kernel messages enough you think..?
[19:55] <speakman> I can of course...
[19:55] <speakman> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt btw
[19:55] <RoyK> speakman: probably, but it won't hurt to send it all to another box with sufficient storage
[19:55] <RoyK> it's not like it's a lot - a few megs or so
[19:56] <speakman> I'll just send it to the same machine receiving netconsole logs
[19:56] <RoyK> speakman: a good old serial cable will do well too :)
[19:56] <speakman> RoyK: if there were only a good old serial connector on the mobo ;)
[19:56] <speakman> Not even an internal one available.. :/
[19:58] <speakman> is Ubuntu running rsyslog instead of plain old syslogd nowadays?
[19:59] <RoyK> rsyslog iirc
[19:59] <ScottK> Yes.  It's been the default for a few releases.
[19:59] <RoyK> but opening for remote syslog is trivial
[20:01] <speakman> but setting up syslog for sending?
[20:02] <RoyK> speakman: just add *.* @somehost in /etc/syslog.conf
[20:02] <speakman> thanks :)
[20:03] <RoyK> then restart syslog and see if something is written to the remote host
[20:03] <speakman> yes, but can I set port?
[20:04] <RoyK> dunno - usually it uses the standard (514/udp)
[20:04] <speakman> I'm already listening on another port, I'll just RTFM ;)
[20:04] <RoyK> if you're worried about other hosts flooding, setup a ufw filter
[20:05] <RoyK> speakman: adding :port might help
[20:14] <speakman> Up and running...
[20:14] <speakman> now netconsole again
[20:18] <KB1JWQ> What's the polite way to tell apt-get to go with either "no config" or "local only" for postfix programmatically
[20:18] <KB1JWQ> ?
[20:18] <KB1JWQ> I'm trying to script a template creation and that's breaking my automation unfortunately.
[20:38] <david5345> If I run the "kvm-ok" command and the output is "INFO: your CPU does not support KVM extension". Does this mean I can't use KVM or does it mean I can use KVM but it'll work slowly ?
[20:38] <EvilPhoenix> i dont think you can use KVM if your CPU doesnt support it
[20:38] <EvilPhoenix> hence the error message
[20:39] <hallyn> david5345: 'kvm' will just end up running qemu without kvm extensions.  so like you said, slowly
[20:39] <david5345> Thanks :D
[20:39] <david5345> I'll update the Wiki
[20:52] <speakman> ...and now I can't even get netconsole working :/
[21:11] <lifeless> kirkland: thanks
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[21:36] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ping?
[21:50] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: yo
[21:53] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yo!! what's up
[21:54] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: writing upstart docs. You?
[21:55] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: testing powernap's new changes for eucalyptus xD
[21:56] <RoAkSoAx> how was the weekend?
[21:59] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: busy as usual. work is so much more relaxed. ;)
[22:00] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: indeed!! I finally got the chance to go to the beach yesterday after more than 6 months :)
[22:00] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: too bad I'm not in spring break though as everybody else
[22:03] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, o/
[22:03] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: htough u were sleeping man
[22:06] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: anyways, I commited the changes to powernap for eucalyptus. I simplified it to only Monitor related changes
[22:06] <SpamapS> Daviey never sleeps .. he is always there.. watching.. waiting.. for the next eucalyptus bug report.
[22:07] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[22:08] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: so anyways, I guess we can make a config for powernap to be shipped with eucalyptus
[22:08] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, i never sleep!
[22:08] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: btw... upstart's restart is not intended to load the config again then?
[22:09] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, That sounds great!  Have you documented the syntax for the file?
[22:09] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: well it is the same syntax as the regular config file i.e.
[22:10] <RoAkSoAx> [ProcessMonitor]\n init = "^/sbin/init"
[22:10] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Ahh!
[22:10] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: it should stop/start the daemon without re-loading the job configuration.
[22:10] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: in essence, it forces a respawn.
[22:10] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Please can i have a config for mythtv, to monitor if i'm watching something or if it is idle :)
[22:11] <Daviey> (actually, could probably make a good guess based on load avg)
[22:11] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: it will just override the default config for the Monitors (if any) or add new monitors. I'll first think which one would be best
[22:11] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah either that or ProcessMonitor
[22:11] <RoAkSoAx> i think kirkland had similar for ProcessMonitor
[22:11] <Daviey> IIRC, kirkland's just monitored if mythfrontend was running
[22:12] <Daviey> I never exit out, so that is not a win for me.
[22:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hey there
[22:12] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, i have time to talk about powernap/eucalyptus now, if you like :-)
[22:12] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ahh I see now, so still the pre-start issue for restartin remains
[22:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool :). I just commited a branch
[22:13] <RoAkSoAx> s/branch/changes
[22:13] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that will allow to load configs from /etc/powernap/config.d/
[22:14] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Did you carry the priority idea?
[22:15] <Daviey> So i can nullify or extent settings in a higher value one, for example?
[22:16] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: restart also doesn't work if there is a pre-stop
[22:17] <RoAkSoAx> that will override the config from /etc/powernap/config, but *only* for the monitors
[22:18] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah, python handles that
[22:18] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Splendid!
[22:18] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: only pre-stop or pre-start too
[22:19] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: I'm not aware of any pre-start issues
[22:20] <RoAkSoAx> oh ok so only pre-stop
[22:20] <SpamapS> teag
[22:20] <SpamapS> wow
[22:21] <SpamapS> epic home-row fail
[22:21] <SpamapS> yeah
[22:23] <BCS-Satori> How would I go about making an apache2 website be only accessible by its servername or serveralias?  I don't want the website to appear if someone types in an IP address.
[22:24] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah so if you place 80etc.whatever and you have [LoadMonitor] load1 = 1 and then you have a 90test.whatever with [LoadMonitor] load1 = 2 , then the 90 file has greater priority and overrides the 80 one
[22:24] <RoAkSoAx> (i was on the phone, sry :) )
[22:26] <SpamapS> BCS-Satori: you just need to configure set NameVirtualHost ip:port
[22:26] <SpamapS> BCS-Satori: and then wrap the site in <VirtualHost ip:port> with a ServerName / ServerAlias
[22:27] <BCS-Satori> SpampaS: internal or external ip or both?
[22:27] <SpamapS> BCS-Satori: If you can, *:port works too
[22:27] <SpamapS> BCS-Satori: you may need to creat a "default" virtual host that is empty for people who reach the site via the IP directly.
[22:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so yeah the idea is to ship a config with eucalyptus for powernap in config.d/ that adds monitors or overrides the ones already defined, so that we it works out of the box and we don't have to tweak anything because of the new changes in PowerNap. Though the override is only for the monitors, I'm not touching the general config
[22:28] <SpamapS> IIRC apache uss the first virtualhost definition as the default
[22:28] <BCS-Satori> SpamapS: I have all of that but the default...which may be why it doesnt work
[22:28] <SpamapS> s/uss/uses/
[22:29] <kirkland> Daviey: mine use to look for a set of processes, like mplayer, vlc, etc.  not mythfrontend
[22:29] <Daviey> kirkland, I was sure you had a myth entry there :/
[22:30] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, i liked that idea when Daviey or whoever suggested it
[22:30] <kirkland> Daviey: i don't think so
[22:30] <kirkland> Daviey: but that's long since been replaced with RoAkSoAx's magical new powernap :-)
[22:30] <Daviey> kirkland, Your blog says otherwise :P
[22:31] <kirkland> Daviey: heh
[22:31] <kirkland> Daviey: what's the date on that entry?  :-)
[22:31] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: indeed Daviey.  So I guess it could pass as a bug fix for bug #711587 or shall I request a FFe? Changes are these: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~powernap/powernap/trunk/revision/220
[22:32] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: Iblogposted a week ago or so about the new changes :) :P
[22:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't think this needs an ffe, imho
[22:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: this is the correct fix to a known bug, a regression that affects eucalyptus
[22:32]  * kirkland reviews the code
[22:33] <kirkland> Daviey: what's your opinion?  needs an ffe, or not?
[22:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we should convert powernap's debian/rules to a dh7 style rules file, after this cycle :-)
[22:34] <Daviey> kirkland, Hmm, it fixes a bug :)
[22:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah wanted to do that too
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: diff looks nice and clean to me
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: low impact
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: let's get this merged and uploaded
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm happy to sponsor, if you like
[22:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: alrighty then. Adn yes please, go ahead an upload it :)
[22:34] <Daviey> kirkland, It's not a new feature, it's handling a change in one of it's reverse depends :)
[22:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: speaking of, you should apply for upload rights for powernap :-)
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yeah I want this cycle to finish and I'll apply either for PPU for cluster stack+powernap or the Ubuntu Server package set
[22:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool :-)
[22:35] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Server set sounds good... that needs more members. :)
[22:37] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: indeed!! I'm just too lazy to pass the results from the script to the wikipage :P
[22:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: btw.. how was London/england?? I always wanted to go there since I was a kid.... hope I get the chagne to go there soon :)
[22:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: uploaded
[22:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm glad to be back in Austin, that's for sure :-)
[22:38] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'm working outside, in the sun, 75 degrees right now
[22:39] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: it was 33F when i got off of the plane in London :-)
[22:39] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, :P
[22:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: haha yeah I bet!! it is nice here too... I went to the beach yest after probably 8 months
[22:40] <Daviey> kirkland, I think we need an Austin sprint. :)
[22:40] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: we need a sprint in Miami >P
[22:40] <kirkland> Daviey: yeah, we do :-)
[22:40] <hallyn> Daviey: hey - how is the open-vm-tools merge review going?
[22:40] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: from a beach facing hotel
[22:40] <hallyn> miami sprint - +1
[22:40] <kirkland> Daviey: robbiew should get on that :-)
[22:43]  * RoAkSoAx wishes he was working from the beach...
[22:43] <Daviey> :)
[22:43] <Daviey> hallyn, How did we last leave it?
[22:43] <Daviey> hallyn, You raised a FFe, right?
[22:45] <Daviey> hallyn, Hmm.. i thought you had.. seems not?
[22:47] <hallyn> Daviey: no, i was waiting for your review
[22:47] <hallyn> actually,
[22:47] <Daviey> hallyn, Oh, sorry.
[22:47] <hallyn> i thought it was decided ffee wasn't needed?
[22:47] <hallyn> since this is not a feature?
[22:47] <Daviey> hallyn, I was a MASSIVE diff iirc.. not really easy to review :/
[22:47] <hallyn> i could be wrong
[22:48] <Daviey> 294925 lines (+100634/-169192) 750 files modified
[22:49] <hallyn> well, maybe we should find someone in community who actually uses/cares about this to review and consider maintaining the package?
[22:49] <hallyn> i would think you would want tofocus on the changes under debian/
[22:49] <hallyn> the rest is just the reuslt of upstream churn
[22:50] <Daviey> That is what i am diffing atm :)
[22:51] <hallyn> Daviey: i wasn't asking you to do it right now :)  Just wanted to make sure you weren't waiting on some action from me
[22:53] <Daviey> hallyn, I'm doing that now... but if you can go through the FFe dance, that would be good.. The size of the diff alone, makes me think we should go through that.
[23:05] <Daviey> hallyn, $(KVERS) really does == $(shell uname -r)?  You checked that?
[23:05] <Daviey> Oh forgive me, that is a dropped patch
[23:08] <Daviey> hallyn, Actually, debian/patches/01-kvers.patch - seems to be converted to a bzr diff style patch... did it need regenerating - looks like it would have cleanly applied?
[23:34] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, bug #732759, do you have a build log, copy and paste of apt-get install handling and comment on testing you have done that it works?
[23:44] <jiboumans> hey folks, hudson has an apt-repo here: http://hudson-ci.org/debian/binary/ but it only has a Packages file, not Packages.gz and that makes apt-get update claim '404' -- what's the right way to use this repository?
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah will copy it in a bit, gotta run for a while
[23:48] <Daviey> jiboumans, Firstly, have you tried our PPA?  jamespage has been working hard making that usable
[23:49] <jiboumans> Daviey: no i haven't yet - i was told by folks that hudson-ci was the right way to go
[23:49] <jiboumans> 'folks' being.. well... you know, 'them' :)
[23:49] <SpamapS> jiboumans: isn't it jenkins now? ;)
[23:49] <jiboumans> Daviey: i'm happy to give that a look as well, but right now I do need to get this repo working first. any thoughts?
[23:50] <Daviey> jiboumans, well, i know we would appreciate additional testing... :)
[23:50] <Daviey> jiboumans, I have an apt repo without a gz'd Packages, and that seems to work.. :/
[23:51] <jiboumans> odd
[23:51] <jiboumans> Daviey, here's what I'm using:
[23:51] <jiboumans> curl http://hudson-ci.org/debian/hudson-ci.org.key | apt-key add -; echo "deb http://hudson-ci.org/debian binary/" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hudson.list; apt-get update
[23:55] <Daviey> jiboumans, You might aswell just wget the deb :/
[23:55] <Daviey> http://hudson-ci.org/debian/binary/
[23:55] <jiboumans> i'd like puppet to manage the updates and dependencies
[23:55] <jiboumans> Daviey: ^
[23:55] <Daviey> ah
[23:56] <SpamapS> You mean you'd like hudson-ci.org to manage the upgrades ;)
[23:58] <SpamapS> man.. I was just curious.. there's no good place to find "the apt repository format"
[23:58] <Daviey> jiboumans, I'm not sure i trust them.... based on http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-2472?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel