[02:02] hi [05:26] hi [07:53] hello all [07:55] morning [08:03] mornin [08:13] lo [08:14] Good Morning Guys and Gals [08:14] How are things? [08:14] morning all. [08:15] I've got a DNS query :p If you have two servers setup, and you modify the slave and adjust the serial - will that get picked up by the master - or is the master/slave relationship a standard master/slave - in that all edits need to be done on the master? [08:18] no [08:18] well [08:18] If you've configured them as master/slave you should always edit on the master [08:18] the slave will only have the zone file in /var/cache/ somewhere [08:18] (it shouldn't have its own copy in /etc) [08:19] Yeah, ok. Thanks MartijnVdS. Just trying to work out whether it's possible to have a multi-master DNS. [08:19] andylockran: powerdns -- update the database, all servers using it update:) [08:20] i.e if the master goes down, my slaves will run for 2 weeks without comms from the master.. but probably sensible to have to manually turn slave into master in that situation. [08:20] yes [08:31] Morning [08:31] \o [08:37] Good morning all [08:37] howdy dooody [08:41] hey czajkowski - shame about wales eh ;-) [08:46] TheOpenSourcerer: if I were you I'd stay very quiet [08:46] be nice you know, if we'd have had a ref who knew how to ref! [08:47] Grand Slam next weekend then eh? [08:47] for ye yes possible [08:47] your pass hasn't been revoked then [08:49] Nope - in fact I confirmed it again yesterday. [08:50] however fair fecks to Italy for beating the French [08:50] love it when they get beaten [08:54] That was a great game indeed czajkowski - I could tell the French were upset by the ref we had on Sunday. But at least he had to go off injured... [08:54] The game changed once he was replaced. [08:55] it's frustrating how a game can be controlled over a ref and a call [08:57] No matter what sport it is, I always expect the Ref & linesmen to walk onto the pitch to the tune of "Three blind mice" [09:21] mornin [09:24] morning all [09:37] morning :) [09:40] mornin ;-) [09:57] Happy Pi Day everyone! (In US format, at least...) [09:57] :) [09:58] mhhhm Pie :) [09:58] DJones: I thought exactly the same thing. :D [09:59] JamesTait: :) As long as its proper pie, none of that wishy washy US style Pumpkin pie etc, give me a nice steak & kidney or apple pie [09:59] Mmmmm, steak. :) [10:01] Years ago, my mother-in-law bought apple pies from morrisons, got home heated them up for tea, served them up with custard as you'd expect, they bit into them and found they'd been mislabed, they should have been mince & onion [10:01] DJones: /o\ [10:02] DJones: did you scrape off the custard and carry on? [10:02] screen-x: It was before I knew them, I think they scraped it off & took them back [10:02] I'd have carried on eating them, it all ends up in the same place [10:03] Morning! [10:04] * czajkowski hugs popey [10:04] how are all this lovely sunny morning [10:04] Great! [10:04] fantastic [10:04] Fab thanks [10:04] sunny out, and we're making pancakes on the BBQ here by the canal [10:04] :D [10:05] czajkowski: meh! [10:05] screen-x: Just as funny was my 90 year old gran making a triffle, puts the jelly in, covers it with cling film to set, comes back later with the custard & couldn't see the cling film & had fogotten about it & poured the custard all over the cling film which then went all over the kitchen worktop [10:05] http://chrisjrob.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/installing-debian-on-a-thin-client-pc/ [10:06] hahah DJones [10:06] popey: :) [10:07] DJones: hah ha [10:09] morning [10:10] yes, it is! [10:18] Hi all! Can anyone recommend a good how to on setting up a chroot environment. I would like to jail Dropbox! [10:20] why would you want to do that? [10:24] Because I notices changes to my /etc/fstab by dropbox and I don't trust closed source software. [10:26] Colleague asked to see paperwork from an air conditioning install a couple of years ago. I knew I had archived it all in a paper file, but couldn't find it. Eventually found it on said colleague's desk. [10:26] lloowen: whats dropbox done to fstab? [10:27] It has commented out my home partition settings and added its own variant. I like dropbox, but I think I would like it even better if I could run it in a chroot environment. [10:28] lloowen: Is your home partition running inside a dropbox folder? [10:29] or /home folder I should say [10:30] My dropbox folder is in my /home/meuser/ [10:31] morning all [10:31] If it can do that what else can Dropbox do? [10:32] lloowen: whatever the account it runs as can do. [10:32] lloowen: could write an apparmor profile if you are worried about it. [10:32] lloowen: I can't understand why dropbox would modify fstab, mine certainly hasn't, just checked & its set as normal with a uuid [10:33] DJones: there are reports of dropbox adding user_xattr, which shouldnt be a problem. [10:33] screen-x: I've not come across that [10:33] This is what it did. [10:33] # Commented out by Dropbox [10:33] # /dev/sda6 /home reiserfs defaults 0 2 [10:33] /dev/sda6 /home reiserfs defaults,user_xattr 0 2 [10:34] DJones: no I haven't either, just been googling. [10:34] lloowen: did it ask? [10:35] No. If it asked me if it could change my fstab, I'd say no! [10:35] that is cheeky. [10:35] Hmm, twitter works, irc works, email works, internet in any browser has stopped [10:36] DJones: dns resolution? [10:36] screen-x: Looks like it, DNS lookup failed [10:36] murderfs D: [10:36] Does anyone know a good how-to on setting up chroot environments for applications? [10:37] lloowen: could try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot [10:40] hmmmm [10:49] I found this http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Jail_Dropbox But I'm not sure how to apply this to Ubuntu [10:50] screen-x: DNS fixed, just been looking up the user_xattr, seems to be something about file permissions on under some drive formats ext4 seems to be mentioned [10:51] *sigh* [10:51] Myrtti: you ok? [10:51] extended attributes, i.e. ACLs [10:52] czajkowski: other than tired beyond belief, yeah. D has sniffles though :-( [10:52] directhex: Yes, thats what I was reading, although went mostly over my head [10:52] downloading natty alpha to test on my old work laptop, this might be fun [10:52] DJones, allows permissions more sophisticated than "user, group, everyone" style [10:53] DJones, e.g. set write permissions for two groups, not just one [10:53] DJones, i hate to use the comparison, but windows has ACL permissions [10:53] directhex: Thanks, that explains it a bit better [10:54] wotcha - the better half's (dell) netbook has gone to the great electronic graveyard in the sky. What's good these days? [10:54] pinetrail [10:54] requirements - ubuntu of course, light web browsing and email [10:55] Myrtti: I hope you dont lose sound [10:55] danfish, sounds like you need a netbook. [10:55] directhex: heh [10:55] czajkowski: which is why old work laptop, not the new ;-) [10:56] smart [10:56] Myrtti: Hope you don't lose grub, the two installs I've done of natty, grub failed on both of them [10:56] * czajkowski mutters [10:57] I'm happy if I'm able to run shred from the live session, that's my main goal [10:57] after that it's all a bonus [10:59] This looks like the bug I found, I was trying btrfs anyway https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/grub2/+bug/712029 [10:59] Ubuntu bug 712029 in grub2 (Ubuntu Natty) "ubiquity btrfs install fails to boot (grub rescue> prompt)" [High,Fix released] [11:24] greetings [11:24] Salutations Human! [11:24] yes, I am a flesh and blood Human! [11:25] with a living Soul! [11:25] got a friend asking whether ubuntu is faster than xp? [11:25] are there benchmark comparison studies/results? [11:26] faster at what? [11:27] it gets over 2000 bungholiomarks! [11:29] faster at what? hrmm? [11:31] directhex: Are there any improvements in Natty? Should I expect a higher BHM rating on similar hardware? [11:31] livingdaylight: ubuntu does not have BSOD's [11:32] dogmatic69: it has kernel panic attacks though [11:32] never seen one :) [11:32] * screen-x gives the kernel a paper bag to breath into [11:32] lol [11:32] i haven't seen windows bluescreen since about 2002 either [11:33] his question is whether ubuntu is faster in terms of running applications. Reaction time? [11:33] ali1234: is that when you stopped using windows? [11:33] ;) [11:33] ali1234: uses windows on a monday to get an IP.. [11:33] no, i stopped using windows in about 2005 [11:33] screen-x, slightly lower, but still better than a comparable 3d-flavoured ice lolly [11:33] livingdaylight: ubuntu caches stuff properly, something that only came about in vista and maybe only works properly in win7 [11:33] i see other people's windows machines bluescreen a lot [11:34] opening apps will be much faster# [11:34] directhex: I find 2d ice lollies very disappointing [11:34] pffft, everyone has 4D lollies now. you guys are crusty old folk [11:35] that's because of bad hardware though [11:35] or "herp derp i can overclock too!" [11:35] * popey feels old not knowing what "herp derp" means [11:36] * screen-x is reading UD [11:36] i think you're just pretending not to know [11:37] Hello. [11:37] Interesting, Carphone warehouse giving away Kindles with phones on 2 year contracts [11:38] they were giving away a PS3 with a phone at one stage, DJones === Dom__ is now known as dwatkins [11:38] that's better [11:38] dwatkins: True, but I wouldn't have gone for one of them, a Kindle would be a possibility [11:39] ali1234: i have seen it used a lot, but dont know what it is [11:39] a bit like 'hipster', dunno what one is [11:39] you are so sheltered [11:39] clearly :) [11:40] i'm looking forward to my contract ending :) [11:41] I think I'd rather have the money than be given a Kindle, especially as it's most likely not the one with free 3G. [11:41] * dwatkins got one for t'other half for christmas [11:41] dwatkins: straight to ebay [11:41] only wifi ones in the uk right? [11:42] dwatkins: 3h version says £15 when bundled with a phone [11:42] dogmatic69: yeah, you'd probably get a fairly good price for it [11:42] s/3h/3g [11:42] also, dogmatic69 - how are the flash player issues? [11:45] dwatkins: who cares about flash :D [11:45] * dogmatic69 has an iPad [11:45] find command .. someone please teach me .. I want to find files containing "java" in root filesystem excluding /media [11:46] man find [11:46] :) [11:47] seeing dogmatic69 here confusing me what channel this is :p [11:47] gah [11:48] find / -name "*java*" -not -name "/media" [11:50] s/-name/-path/ [11:50] (err but only the second instance) [11:50] dogmatic69: i played with garageband on the ipad yesterday... [11:50] find . -name "*java*" -print ... is correct answer [11:56] MooDoo: and? [11:57] dogmatic69: LOVED IT! :) [11:57] * dogmatic69 spends more... [11:59] MooDoo: thanks for reminding me, I need to make some custom ringtones with GarageBand [11:59] Morse code of peopel's names [11:59] *people's [12:47] howdy howdy howdy [12:47] howdy^9 [13:13] does anyone in here know if fedora can be updated to the latest alpha via command line, like ubuntu can? [13:13] No idea.. do Fedora support upgrading at all? [13:13] I don't know :/ [13:14] I was hoping I might be able to update my box without any issues, but clearly not [13:14] I think as long as my hard drives are partitioned nicely, I should be able to reinstall without issue [13:15] ah good, I did partition sensibly \o/ [13:15] SuperMatt: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq [13:17] yeah, I think I'll re-install :P [13:22] seems like there is some form of upgrade, but there are definately mixed messages as to whether it is recommended. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Installation_Guide/ch19s02.html [13:32] can anyone recommend any techniques for blocking search engine bots that don't honour robots.txt files? [13:34] one bot from ukraine used 86% of the total bandwidth last motnh [13:36] mungojerry: maybe denyhosts? something that reads the logs and picks out clients that are too persistent. [13:39] hmm. i'm not sure if the address is in denyhosts or not - the site should get spidered but ignore certain paths/filenames based upon robots file..some files are 100mb in size. i could write my own to grep the logs, or just run webaliser more frequently and use iptables i guess. [13:41] mungojerry: denyhosts will add hosts to deny, based on rules you specify. (like fail2ban) [13:41] ahh i see..was thinking of another blacklisting service === _deltA is now known as gavin_lew [13:51] hello, having problems with a geforce gfx card, nvidia driver 270.30 and twinview , anyone have any advice, 1 monitor is connected by VGA and is recongised and displays video, the second monitor connected via DVI just says no input [13:53] gavin_lew: have you setup both screens with nvidia-settings? [13:53] gavin_lew: what graphics card? [13:56] nvidia-settings set the screens up ok [13:57] its a geforce 8400 gs [13:57] it was working until i upgraded the gfx driver from 173 maybe to the latest [13:57] the screen connected to the DVI port just doesnt get a video signal [13:58] is there any reason you'd want to update to such a new driver? [13:59] the older driver wasnt giving me 3d acceleration [13:59] hamitron: 8400gs is supported in the latest drivers, so why not? [13:59] * directhex is suddenly suspicious. which cards are supported on 270.30? [13:59] I recall someone else having a problem with the early 8000 series [14:00] directhex: 270 or 260? [14:00] either. neither. whatever. is there a handy matrix for this stuff? [14:01] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-260.19.44-driver.html [14:01] not very handy though [14:01] 260.19.44 includes 8 series 400 GS, 8800 GTS 512, 8800 Ultra, 8300 GS, 8600 GTS, 8800 GTX, 8300, 8400, 8200, 8100 / nForce 720a, 8400 SE, 8600 GS, 8800 GS, 8800 GT, 8800 GTS, 8500 GT [14:01] hmm missed the first 8. [14:02] wow, it goes back as far as 6-series cards [14:02] and people complain [14:02] I do [14:02] ;/ [14:02] i think the issue is something to-do with DFP-0 (wasnt this introduced recently), the older drivers simply refered to the displays as CRT0/CRT1 [14:03] it's always been DFP-0 for internal laptop screens, iirc [14:03] this is just 2 lcd panels , no laptop [14:04] which version of ubuntu has 270 drivers btw? [14:04] 11.04? [14:04] none iirc. i'm guessing nvidia-installer breakage [14:05] wait, it's in natty now [14:05] wasn't last time i looked [14:05] nvidia-glx-185 | 270.29-0ubuntu3 | natty/restricted | amd64, i386 [14:06] !natty [14:06] Natty Narwhal is the codename for Ubuntu 11.04, due April 28 2011 - Help and support (only) in #ubuntu+1 - Natty is unstable and is not intended for production systems. [14:06] I don't do animal names ;) [14:13] do we have any ideas? , can i paste the xorg.conf screen sections ? [14:16] gavin_lew: i had probs like this on an older card and older version of drivers..it was xorg.conf related [14:16] i am running intel on this machine so can't help, but if somebody has nvidia they should at least post their working xorg [14:17] going from a 44" display down to 22" sucks :) [14:17] looking at the xorg.conf it doesnt look right [14:25] it was like last week [14:25] 8400gs has serious problems with the latest driver [14:26] serious = no output at all, even though it says it is working in the log [14:26] ali1234: it was the 8400gs? [14:26] yes [14:26] ah :) [14:27] interesting that the VGA output is working, and not the DVI [14:27] it can affect VGA too [14:27] k === james_w` is now known as james_w [14:28] * hamitron pets his geforce 2 [14:29] shall i just order a new gfx card? :) [14:29] cheap cards from 6 series onwards seem to have a lot of trouble generally imo [14:29] the only other spare we have here is the same as what i got :( [14:29] gavin_lew: the 17x series works [14:29] drivers I mean [14:30] could anyone tell me what this is please [14:30] "sshd[10001]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 217-155-37-221.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [217.155.37.221] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!" [14:30] in the logs ... [14:34] dogmatic69: http://www.electrictoolbox.com/reverse-mapping-possible-break-in-ssh/ [14:34] There's a whole load of google results for "reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo". [14:36] tx [14:39] scoundrel50: Ping [14:45] Oh, that is strange, been trying to get on here for ages, and when I enter the #ubuntu-uk in the chanel box, press enter nothing happens [14:45] can see you now though, thanks. :) [14:45] I just wondered, I want to change .JPG to.jpg I used to have a command to do that but can remember what it was. Does somebody know what command I would need? [14:45] scoundrel50: mv ? [14:45] scoundrel50: Glad you've made it anyway [14:45] Its to change all the endings in the folder [14:46] mv *.JPG *.jpg should do it [14:46] ? [14:46] hmm how about a 512mb Palit GT 220 800mhz gddr2 48 core [14:46] gavin_lew: no, that won't work [14:46] :( [14:46] you want the rename command [14:47] gavin_lew: test that on some files you dont like [14:47] gavin_lew, that will kill almost all your files [14:47] so rename 's/\.JPG$/.jpg/' *.JPG [14:47] ooh sorry :( [14:48] worth checking with the -n option first [14:48] gavin_lew, it will expand to something like "mv 1.JPG 2.JPG 3.JPG *.jpg", thereby rename 1.JPG to *.jpg, then renaming 2.JPG to *.jpg (losing the earlier file), the n renaming 3.JPG to *.jpg (ditto) [14:48] ooh mv a* b* doesnt do what I expected [14:49] scoundrel50: thunar file manager has a good bulk renamer as part of the gui [14:49] I expected it to move all the files onto the last file, but instead it sensibly complains about it not being a dir. [14:52] mungojerry: hi, I tried using that, but it freezes laptop. Using that other command, just changed the whole lot in the folder [14:54] its not moving from one to another its changing the .JPG to .jpg, I will give that command a try, dutchie, it was a different command to the one I had before, but I'll give it a try [14:58] got someone trying to hack my server [14:58] persistent guy as well [15:00] dogmatic69: often it's a script. i found one that had got into our sytem via a weak password, then had a dictionary list to test against various servers, sending all successful info to an irc channel [15:00] fail2ban should be a good place to start [15:00] its a Korean ip [15:01] got ssh only login... [15:01] we get a lot from chinese universities and also korean too..great firewall of china doesn't do a good job of keeping them out [15:01] yip its korean edu something ip [15:01] dogmatic69: denyhosts/fail2ban are good, but be sure to whitelist yourself :) [15:01] ok, that worked thank you. [15:02] dogmatic69: however the script that i saw was then using the compromised account to run the script against 100s of other hosts [15:02] 114.70.60.247 is the ip [15:02] phpinfo showing there... [15:02] so the originating IP may just be a compromised account [15:03] you can send a mail to the abuse address, and the university should investgate [15:03] could be [15:05] DJones: TheOpenSourcerer http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/mar/14/wales-ireland-six-nations-2011 [15:11] anyone give me advice on how to enable coredumps in apache (caveat is that I'm using CentOS) http://blog.blacknode.net/2009/07/enable-core-dumps-with-apache-rhel5/ [15:11] czajkowski: I'm getting 404 page not found with that link [15:12] DJones: click again [15:12] working here fine [15:14] czajkowski: Tried 3 times, same thing each time [15:14] DJones: it clearly doesnt like you [15:14] http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/mar/14/wales-ireland-six-nations-2011 [15:14] clock again [15:14] czajkowski: That works [15:14] works for me [15:15] DJones: special [15:15] Yep, I've worked out why it didn't work [15:16] The window size I've got irssi in was exactly the same size as the length of the line & putty/irssi was treating the timestamp on the next line as part of the url [15:18] czajkowski: Although they get the appology, they never change results though, do they have video ref decisions for the 6 nations? [15:18] aye [15:18] if they were unawarded the try we'd have won [15:18] anyone here know how i can test git hooks/ [15:18] ?* [15:19] czajkowski: Very true, but I they would never backdate that decision [15:19] nope they wont [15:19] we just all know wales shouldnt be 7 pts more [15:22] czajkowski: to be fair, if the touch judge hadn't been so sure, they probably would have gone to the TMO [15:23] wont go to TMO unless it's a score [15:23] it was a score, no? [15:27] fast pass line out [15:28] SNORE [15:29] mungojerry: you ok there ? [15:29] sorry if we're boting you [15:29] * hamitron cuts mungojerry's throat out with a power drill [15:29] *boring [15:29] it's ok...i meant to spend less time on irc this week. talking about rugby is keeping me away :) [15:30] only just noticed the !topic [15:30] mungojerry: it's a community loc channel we do talk about lots of things beside Ubuntu [15:30] of course :) [15:30] *loco [15:31] that is discrimination against people with normal shaped balls :/ [15:31] less snoring so, it's kinda rude [15:31] :) [15:32] 1 more match to win, then it is all over mungojerry [15:32] guess we are both looking forward to that [15:32] hamitron: and then september for the world cup [15:32] and we can go back to the H cup also [15:33] well, a break is good [15:33] too much distraction from proper work [15:33] 9th April kicks off again [15:33] mungojerry: (as requested last week) GO AWAY! [15:34] :) [15:34] wondered who i mentioned that to. [15:34] however i'm having a bad day today...lost of drilling noise in the building meaning i can't work [15:34] tbh, the 6 nations is the one I like to see most [15:34] :( [15:36] * hamitron sighs [15:36] need to switch computer cabling on my desk [15:36] but it is real effort unplugging all these machines and re-working it all [15:37] mungojerry: I have screaming kids outside my window (nursery). I keep my window shut as long as possible but sometimes its just too warm. [15:37] hamitron: dust while your at it ;-) [15:37] screen-x: warm? [15:37] screen-x: I intend to [15:37] mungojerry: in summer [15:38] my place of work has been a building site for > 2yrs :( [15:38] :/ [15:38] including asbestos removal [15:39] most days it is drilling and chainsawing of concrete [15:39] and fire drills :( [15:39] cutting holes with fire ftw [15:39] i mean fire alarms :P [15:39] not nearly as good :/ [15:40] a fire drill does sound quite like a light saber [15:40] patent pending! [15:40] ;) [15:41] hmmm [15:41] how many comps on 1 desk is too many? [15:41] 11 [15:42] hamitron: when desk breaks [15:42] I have removed my waste bins to make room for more [15:42] but now it seems I may have to remove my legs [15:42] hamitron: or maybe when you start wearing noise cancelling headphones [15:43] yeh well, I do go for quiet :) [15:43] but tbh, this i3 is amazing, dunno why I thought I may need more power [15:44] I reckon I could get most things done on this one machine [15:44] unfortunately, that would mean not using linux as I my main OS [15:45] so doubt I will cut back that far [15:45] can you not stash them in the loft and run rdesktop? [15:46] no [15:46] if I was going to be happy with remote stuff, I'd just run virtual machines [15:46] :/ [15:47] Q: is it possible to do greppy type stuff in ooffice calc [15:47] like scripting? [15:47] i have a list of names and userid's on alternating lines, and i want to split them into separate columns [15:51] as usual i've ended up saving as csv and doing grep [15:53] <3 csv. that's been the solution to all my excel woes too [15:56] Ello peeps :) [15:56] yo yo yo [15:57] o/ [15:57] What am I missing out on? [15:58] some good stuff [15:58] * popey wonders when ipad2 goes on pre-order :) [15:58] bigcalm: hamitron deciding whether to remove his legs to make space for more computers [15:58] Driving to Scotland and back for the weekend isn't advisable. There are a lot of stupid drivers out there [15:58] popey: you giving me your ipad 1? [15:59] popey: march 27th ? [15:59] popey: ask filbert [15:59] hamitron: nah, the cats will use that to read ichc [15:59]