[01:23] Well, that makes thing less confusing. [01:23] Irssi time it now set to UTC [01:29] time, time, time, see what's become of me... [01:30] a couple of my servers are configured to utc time, my poor users :) [01:30] hehehe [01:30] My server that irssi sits on is French time (UTC+1), I'm in PST and I deal 99% in UTC. [01:30] It was a messed up system. [01:30] my firewall is still on east coast time [01:31] but that's because it connects to work in philly, and it's easier to debug issues when we're all playing by the same rules ;) [01:31] Yeah [01:32] no Bangles fans I guess :-) [01:32] it did cause a problem when I was debugging a new ssl connection on another machine, my issue turned out to be that I generated the certificate in the future so it was all failing [01:32] east coast == future [01:32] LOL [01:32] all of a sudden after 3 hours it worked! d'oh! [01:32] whups! [01:33] :D That's always fun. [01:33] modern time travel [01:33] Wife is sooooooooooo gonna kill me tonight. [01:33] I'll just have to get the kids not to tell [01:33] we'll keep things short :) [01:33] maybe [01:34] Heh. [01:34] She can deal. [01:34] If she wants to go to church from 4p till 9p she can deal. ;) [01:34] yeah, well you'll be the dead one [01:34] meh [01:34] one of my cats is snoring [01:35] :D [01:35] yeesh it's nice out here tonight [01:35] and DST has me all out of sorts, it's too light out :( [01:35] it's raining here [01:35] DST is crap [01:35] yeah [01:36] yeah [01:59] * DarkwingDuck looks about [01:59] we have a full room? [02:00] * pleia2 waves [02:00] *** START MEETING *** [02:00] Greetings fellow team members! [02:01] Yes, I'm actually chairing a meeting tonight. [02:01] *gasps from the audience* [02:01] okay smart butt. :P:P [02:01] at least I didn't say something about kde [02:01] Seeing that I just came from one of those meetings... Thank you :P [02:01] :) [02:01] Our agenda tonight is kinda short and sweet. (maybe) [02:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11March13 for the list of items [02:02] * DarkwingDuck pauses [02:02] Is anyone here other then pleia2 and myself? [02:02] o/ [02:02] o/ [02:02] Okay, scale fallout [02:03] overall i felt that Ubucon was a HUGE success [02:03] nhaines did an amazing job with ubucon! [02:03] +100 to nhaines for ubucon [02:03] speaking of... [02:03] he said he'd update ubucon.org with links to videos and such when he gets them [02:04] Okay good. [02:04] The booth did very well too [02:04] we handed out around 600 CDs [02:04] http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca << photos from myself and iheartubuntu [02:05] and about half of that amount was pressed CDs [02:05] nice [02:05] im interested to hand out 1000 next time [02:05] iheartubuntu was a cd sleeve folding machine :) [02:06] and erichammond showed us how to fold them (thankfully!) [02:06] I have talked to jono about the CD issue we had and he gave me the names of a couple of people to talk to so we can get many many more CDs next year [02:06] A BIG shout out to all of you who showed up. It was fun to put a face to these IRC nicks [02:07] Any other positive fallout? [02:07] ive started an ubuntu hour with richard gaskin [02:07] Other then loads of people that talked to me about KDE and Kubuntu :D [02:07] first one in pasadena :) [02:07] Oh good. [02:07] and hope philip and i can do one in claremont when he is up here [02:08] seidos and i are now talking about one in lakewood area [02:08] Awesome. There are rumors of another one down here in San Diego too [02:09] Anything else from SCALE? [02:09] San gabriel LUG wants me to speak [02:09] not sure what to speak on [02:09] +1! [02:09] i will go there a couple times firts [02:09] Unity! [02:09] first [02:09] :D [02:09] if anyone else has photos and wants them up on the flickr page just let me know (grab me on irc or email lyz@ubuntu.com) [02:09] this goes for scale, ubuntu hours, etc etc [02:09] Sweet [02:10] jbermudes is excited about pasadena ubuntu hour too! so we should have minimum 3 people attending and enjoying the time [02:10] great [02:10] when is it again iheartubuntu? [02:11] 2nd thursday of every month [02:11] peets coffee - corner of lake ave and california blvd [02:11] two blocks from cal tech [02:11] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/778/detail/ is the 1st [02:11] which is where the LUG meets [02:11] cool [02:11] ty [02:11] Okay, next item on the list... [02:11] Ubuntu Global Jam [02:12] so it will be a ubuntu hour + head over to the LUG after large amounts of espresso? [02:12] sorry i asked, heh [02:12] jono organized one in Walnut Creek for Friday April 1st: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/701/detail/ [02:12] i won't be drinking espresso [02:12] From April 1st to the 3rd is the Ubuntu Global Jam. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [02:12] These Jams can be a host of things. [02:12] i think i'm on the same drug that Sheen is on [02:12] I have work that day, but jdeslip floated the idea of having one in Berkeley on Sunday, so I'll follow up with him about planning that (we did a Lucid jam there too) [02:13] Bug jams, packaging jams, Translation jams, Doc jams, testing jams and Upgrade jams [02:13] spread jam [02:13] ha [02:13] I will be holding a doc jam on one of those days via IRC for Kubuntu Docs [02:14] cool [02:14] so how does a jam work? people meet in person or online [02:14] Both. [02:14] * akk was just listening to cartalk, a woman who got jam in her automatic shifter and it wouldn't shift any more :) [02:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [02:14] akk: different kind of jam here, lol [02:14] hehehe [02:14] the lucid global jam in berkeley worked well for both last year, a bunch of us met for pizza and worked on things, we were working on a flier that we posted to the list and talked about in IRC during the jam :) [02:15] Awesome. [02:15] and grantbow and I did mini presentations [02:15] * grantbow nods [02:15] The mean reason I won't be able to do much is that the Doc freeze is on the 7th and that is my final crunch time. :/ [02:16] So, I figured I would host a IRC Kubuntu Doc jam [02:16] DarkwingDuck: here or with kubuntu people? [02:16] Anyone [02:16] With all the talk about opportunistic development, how come there are no development jams? [02:16] I mean, where on IRC :) [02:17] Oh, I'll be creating a channel for it. [02:17] I'm almost finished drafting that email. [02:17] akk: global jams can be anything, so a development jam is fine [02:17] these started out as global bug jams, until one day there were a massive number of newbies around the world triaging bugs and making a mess that the bug squad had to clean up after :\ [02:17] The doc jam I'm holding will be Kubuntu because the system docs for ubuntu and kubuntu are different on many levels [02:18] Anyway, I had forwarded Jorge's email on it to the ML and I will forward it again. [02:18] so now it's "whatever your expertise is and you want to share it with others" jam :) [02:18] right, contributing to Ubuntu encompases more than code and bugs but those are certainly welcome [02:18] that's cool [02:19] DarkwingDuck: you can just reply to the same email and say we'll talk about it, no need to reforward :) [02:19] Works too. :) [02:19] Anyway, if we want to get some jams setup this is the time to plan it. [02:20] We can announce finals at the next meeting [02:20] once you plan a jam, make a loco.ubuntu.com directory about it and add it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyGlobalJam [02:21] (ask anyone here if you have questions about using loco.ubuntu.com) [02:22] If you have any more questions about Jams please, ask away. :) [02:22] If not, we can roll onto release parties. [02:22] onward! [02:22] Now, I know that this is a while out but, I wanted to touch base on this [02:23] Normally a release party requires more planning because of the space required. [02:23] Natty releases on April 28 [02:23] So, maybe an install-fest/release parties in the beginning of May will work out nicely. [02:24] (general questions can be asked at the end of the meeting?) [02:24] oh, i have a question, has anyone considered having a jam at a hacker space? [02:24] seidos: yep, hackerspaces are fine places for jams :) [02:24] there's apparently a hacker space here in LA [02:24] what is a hackerspace [02:25] like a space where hackers meet [02:25] hackerspaces.org [02:25] Usually someone who's a member of the hackerspace has to host it -- at least that's how it works with hacker dojo here. [02:25] ah, i knew there would be caveats [02:25] noisebridge in SF is more open than hacker dojo, you have to check with each space for their policies [02:25] i guess crashing a hackerspace is looked down upon in the hacker community [02:26] depends on the space [02:26] depends [02:26] has anyone done it? [02:26] we had an installfest at noisebridge [02:26] You don't have to crash if you are a regular. [02:26] did it go well? [02:26] it went great :) [02:26] Unless I can do it from home it is hard for me to get to places... the joys of three young kids [02:26] I think it went well, yes [02:26] did you ask someone before you started inviting people? [02:27] i can't even do it from home, since i don't have my own place [02:27] seidos: our experience won't be the same as at other hackerspaces, you need to check the rules of your local one [02:27] the joys of being a loser :) [02:27] pleia2: sorry i asked [02:27] grantbow is at noisebridge all the time, so we just needed to set aside the space and time [02:27] :) [02:28] Going back to release parties... if you are setting one up please, please please update the info here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease [02:28] thanks to grantbow for putting up the page [02:28] Whoot! [02:29] I'll give jono a nudge and see if he has thoughts on one, he usually likes to host one in SF at thirsty bear brewing [02:29] Anything else on release parties? We have plenty of time to get things setup [02:29] what goes on at a release... jsut a glorified ubuntu hour? :) [02:29] with the new release of course [02:29] iheartubuntu: you can have a party, or have an installfest, or do whatever [02:30] often the party is too close to the release to have media available, so it's usually a social event. [02:30] Some people get together for drinks [02:30] or combine it with a jam [02:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/LucidRelease shows the variation of our events (Lucid was an LTS so a big release, we did *a lot* [02:30] Other help with upgrades and installs [02:30] ) [02:30] If we use a hackerspace, we can have our own food, as opposed to whatever a restaurant/bar limits you to [02:30] there's two answers, the simplified one, and the glorified hyped up propagandified electrified stupendous answer [02:30] Loads of goody joyness [02:30] seidos: +1 [02:31] Next on the list is something I have been wanting to do for a while now. [02:31] Training [02:31] If you have ever wanted how to do soemthing. Bug running, docs, packaging, dev ect ect [02:31] you can bring your own drinks and food to a bar, but you gotta' use Jedi mind tricks and stealth [02:31] We wnat to help setup training for these things. [02:31] seidos: most won't allow it (it can get you thrown out) [02:32] pleia2: you will not throw me out *waves hand* [02:32] and it's a good way to have your event not welcome there in the future [02:32] DarkwingDuck, Great idea [02:32] DarkwingDuck: Local in-person training, or online/irc? [02:32] no way [02:32] DarkwingDuck: the Ubuntu Learning project exists, but it's woefully low on volunteers to write courses, if ubuntu-us-ca wanted to help I'd be grateful [02:33] I'll help out with that too pleia2 [02:33] i want to know training :) great idea [02:33] why couldn't the wiki be the course material? [02:33] see pleia2 ^^ [02:33] seidos: it can be the basis of material, but teaching a class is more than just reading from a book/wiki :) [02:34] pleia2: like what do you have in mind besides reading from a book? [02:34] seidos: The wiki is good info... taking packaging for example... Packaging on the wiki is horrible to look at. Once I had someone walk me throughit became a breeze [02:34] so there is no packaging walk through, interesting [02:34] Oh there is [02:34] it's just mind numbingly boring? [02:34] took me 5 hours to read all of it [02:35] did it take 5 hours to walk through it when you worked with someone? [02:35] So, would anyone be interested in learning about things like packaging or bug triage? [02:35] Most ubuntu/debian packaging tutorials take the approach "there are 5 different ways to do this, it's a matter of taste which one you pick, here's a bizarre hybrid of 3 of the techniques switching randomly between them". [02:35] energy cannot be created or destroyed [02:36] akk, True [02:36] akk: +1 [02:36] … what? [02:36] DarkwingDuck: online or off? [02:36] huh interesting [02:36] and IRC? video? [02:36] both [02:36] jtatum, no idea [02:36] DarkwingDuck: I'd be interested in learning better packaging (and might be able to teach some other topics). [02:37] I was thinking ubuntu-classroom stuff [02:37] I'd also be happy to welcome california folks to #ubuntu-classroom for anything any time :) [02:37] packaging of DEBs? [02:37] But even beyond that [02:37] we organize in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage [02:37] why can't we learn in this channel? [02:38] packaging _and_ PPAs [02:38] Has anybody tried in-person packaging tutorials, like "Let's spend 3 hours and each person will actually get something packaged in that time"? [02:38] I've been to a few of the #ubuntu-classroom sessions, and they're helpful but they go way too fast for people to keep up and actually do it right then. [02:38] I have, but that was becasue of what I was packaging [02:39] So it sounds like this might be something good? [02:39] (and I'm not criticising them -- I think they go at the right speed considering there's another class coming up right afterward) [02:39] ah, no wonder i'm not interested in packaging. i have nothing to package. [02:40] eps: ppas are not so bad: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/InstallingSoftware [02:40] DarkwingDuck: sounds good! [02:40] double good! [02:40] Awesome, I'll work on gettig a wiki setup for it and look on the ML for it too! [02:40] Okay, that about wraps up the agenda. We now open the floor to anything else? [02:41] yes [02:41] uno momento [02:42] ok. this tuesday i will be placing an order with Ubuntu Store [02:42] to help save on the shipping [02:42] we can chat after the meeting too. [02:42] details I put out on the mailing list here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-March/001589.html [02:42] ordering a big item yourself like a backpack might cost $50 [02:43] or just some stickers along might cost you $10 [02:43] if we group the order, then shipping should be down to $5 a person [02:43] nhaines brought up that there may be new merchandise soon for Natty release [02:43] so keep that in mind [02:44] im still ordering no matter [02:44] (done) [02:44] How do we get the money to you? [02:44] iheartubuntu, Thank you :) [02:44] paypal [02:44] Okay sweet [02:44] If the store sold up to date Kubuntu items I would :P [02:45] please IM me and i will give out my email addy. since this is logged i wont post it here [02:45] Anything else? [02:46] i have a few questions, but can wait till the end [02:46] unless now is a good time [02:46] If there is nothing else the meeting ends. Next meeting will be held in two weeks on the 27th of March at 7p [02:46] ** END MEETING ** [02:46] Thanks for hosting DarkwingDuck [02:46] Any good ways to spread word about an Ubuntu Hour? Also, we are looking for anyone new to Ubuntu as well right? [02:47] My pleasure. Now to get these kids in bed before the wife kills me [02:47] iheartubuntu: LUG MLs [02:47] :) [02:47] iheartubuntu: remind me the day it's happening and I'll be sure the flickr/identica/facebook is updated [02:47] good idea [02:47] (same goes for all of them, I lose track!) [02:47] thanks DarkwingDuck :) [02:47] can anyone recommend an Ubuntu related speech i can do? [02:48] iheartubuntu: you could pass out little cards if you have the resources [02:48] what kind of cards [02:48] iheartubuntu: gimme a few... I have one that I typped up. [02:48] i dunno, those cards that they pass out for clubs and parties or something. like mini fliers [02:48] ahhh [02:48] good deal. i can print some Ubuntu California mini ones up [02:48] iheartubuntu check spreadubuntu for presentations too [02:48] sounds good thanks grantbow [02:49] my concern is a LUG is probably 15-20 people who meet and know each other every month [02:49] one told me that many of them use ubuntu [02:49] I asked the local lugs if I was allowed to post to their lists about ubuntu hours [02:49] my concern would be "what can i bring to the table" if they already use ubuntu [02:49] most of them were happy to spread the word :) [02:49] so i was thinking to just go to the LUG ask around what they are interested in [02:50] iheartubuntu: new things coming in the next release? A lot of them might not know that. [02:50] * iheartubuntu scribbles it down. [02:50] good idea [02:50] iheartubuntu: i feel you [02:50] iheartubuntu: some presentations not posted to spreadubuntu yet: http://joey.ubuntu-rocks.org/blog/presentations/ [02:50] i have a belt on [02:50] :D [02:50] iheartubuntu: draft up a message that states something along the lines of if anone is interested in Ubuntu a few of us will be meeting {DATE++TIME}. We will be talking about the next release and if you have any questions about Ubuntu you can bring them along. [02:50] Or details of a specific app or workflow (some people would be interested, some wouldn't, but that's true of any talk). [02:50] i'm just going with the flow now, if there is a role to fill that you can fill, then fill it [02:51] ty DD [02:51] what color is your belt? [02:51] black [02:51] i'm not wearing one ;) [02:51] (gulp) [02:51] the void! [02:51] nc [02:51] nc? [02:51] no comment! [02:52] huh? [02:52] also... if anyone is interested... [02:52] id like to start an online game nite once a month [02:52] online? [02:52] wat? [02:52] monopoly is a crazy game and can be fun and there are a few versions out there for linux [02:52] that might be fun actually [02:52] yes, online [02:53] i dont know too many online games we can do together [02:53] parcheesi!! [02:53] i was testing all the monopoly games last night [02:53] open arena! [02:53] pleia2: +1 [02:53] :) sounds good to me [02:53] warcraft 1! [02:53] Minecraft! [02:53] * DarkwingDuck ducks [02:53] multiplayer tuxkart! [02:53] gauntlet! [02:53] we can make this a Ubuntu CA thingy, or expand it past that if its successful. [02:53] post it on the events page even :) [02:53] ooh, tuxkart is multiplayer? [02:54] it is??? where have i been [02:54] No, I don't think so. I was just dreaming. [02:54] oh ok :) [02:54] so was i [02:54] well, if i was dreaming...what game would i want to play... [02:54] probably a multiplayer zelda game...or castlevania [02:54] or marvel vs capcom [02:55] shin akuma vs wolverine [02:55] this is about the best monopoly version out there. has built in chat too. http://www.playdeb.net/software/Capitalism [02:55] hmmm [02:55] if thats not peoples style, i'll look for something else like open arena [02:55] we can probably rotate games per week [02:55] link isn't working :( [02:55] monopoly *could* teach money management, so thats why i suggested it [02:55] If we hold off a month I'll have my desktop and with my dedicated IP I will be able to host a open arena server [02:56] it teaches luck mroe than anything tho [02:56] iheartubuntu: I think that's a stretch :) [02:56] yeah, luck [02:56] maybe some communists took the site down [02:56] games = fun! [02:56] fun++ [02:56] heh, i can teach money management: don't waste it on stuff you don't need. [02:57] any card games that have multiplayer? [02:57] hindsight is infinite [02:57] if we could make it a non-wednesday weeknight I'd be happy :) [02:57] glchess is multiplayer [02:57] but only 1 vs 1 [02:57] afaik [02:57] other racing games like Speed Dreams? [02:57] all 20 of us can watch a match [02:57] :D [02:58] i like the racing or first person style games as pretty much anyone can jump in and play [02:58] iheartubuntu: come up with a list? we can try some out and start planning our first night :) [02:58] excellent. i will do that [02:58] yay! [02:59] racing tux vs. Wilber and other logos can direct some of that competitive energy, hehe [02:59] seidos... is there a multiplayer zelda like game in linux? [02:59] iheartubuntu: nah, not that i know of anyway. [03:00] * iheartubuntu im "testing" supertuxkart for everyone right now [03:00] iheartubuntu: if you are interested in learning more about hackerspaces, the first keynote at scale was on it and it was very good: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/12957881 [03:00] iheartubuntu: there isn't even one for nintendo, really. there was a GBA zelda game that was multiplayer. [03:00] are all the speeches online now? [03:00] what about ubucon [03:01] no, just the two keynotes [03:01] i want to go to the hackerspace in LA, but i think i should probably go with somebody [03:01] supertuxkart (network play is not yet available) [03:01] so you dont get hacked? [03:01] *yet* - that's promising :) [03:01] you're not allowed to go alone [03:01] yeah, neuro-hacked [03:01] ahh [03:02] It's like visiting a cult -- they might suck you in! [03:03] what r they hacking? [03:03] i just don't feel like watching, not worth the drive in that case [03:03] hacking in the good sense, like "figuring out and building" [03:03] ohh [03:03] hardware, software [03:03] but if i'm meeting somebody, then at least there's that [03:03] better not risk it seidos [03:04] offer free Ubuntu discs to the hacer space - those folks love generally [03:04] hacker [03:04] love them [03:05] Don't most people at hackerspaces either run linux already, or know how to burn ISOs? [03:05] a lot of them use macs [03:05] I see windows machines at noisebridge too [03:05] Oh, maybe not at cheap hackerspaces, though (i've only seen the dojo, where most people are pretty experienced). [03:05] so, anyone worried about absorbing any RADs from fallout all the way here in Calif? [03:05] akk: amazingly not always [03:05] we do have a dedicated linux night :) and some linux classes [03:06]