[01:31] <cyberanger> did ubuntu change their upstart config recently
[01:37] <cyberanger> "Upstart is a replacement for the traditional sysvinit package, and runs as process #1. Through upstart, we are able to have an event-driven process, whilst at the same time retaining compatibility for the original sysvinit behaviour. "
[01:38] <cyberanger> and the reason I ask, is the original sysvinit behaviour for removing a startup script seems to be gone
[01:39] <cyberanger> sudo update-rc.d -f ssh remove can't find anything to remove, and it still runs at boot (and that's the name for openssh-server, worked before, and I've manually checked incase that was renamed)
[01:41] <wrst> cyberanger you are over my head and knowledge. on that :)
[01:43] <cyberanger> figured it was outside most of the channels membership area
[01:43] <cyberanger> just not a common reason for this I suppose
[01:44] <cyberanger> I used it back in college, and just started services manually via a bash script
[01:44] <wrst> I can not believe you would be into something uncommon cyberanger
[01:44] <cyberanger> ./startservices.sh college|home|all|travel|hotspot|none
[01:46] <cyberanger> and that helped out (college policy was unclear on avahi, for example, I bet I pushed the admins buttons enough as it was, no point adding to the fire)
[01:47] <wrst> oh btw cyberanger I am typing to you via quassel on android :)
[01:47] <cyberanger> I also attached to school a little script that changed my mac address (the only wifi login is an approved mac address and knowing a hidden ssid, kinda weak)
[01:48] <cyberanger> travel randomly swapped the mac addresses, and turned off all services, same for hotspot
[01:48] <cyberanger> it's a really useful script, that this issue is breaking
[01:50] <wrst> I see I am never that sneaky
[01:50] <cyberanger> nothing sneaky about it
[01:51] <cyberanger> well, maybe a little, if nobody sees some giveaways
[01:51] <cyberanger> at hotspots and public networks, just a little extra privacy
[01:52] <cyberanger> and at college I had to use the same mac address everyday (or more paperwork I suppose)
[01:54] <cyberanger> the rest of the script focused on sneaky buggers port scanning my system, trying to break into my laptop (or just to not look so much like a server
[01:55] <cyberanger> and now I wouldn't be that sneaky, tether my android phone and just avoid their network
[01:56] <cyberanger> or use my phone instead
[01:56] <cyberanger> no need for a full laptop to fire up quassel and chat on irc
[01:56] <wrst> is your android rooted?
[01:56] <cyberanger> right? ;-) (however I prefer irssi or weechat)
[01:56] <wrst> I don't need a laptop now cyberanger
[01:57] <cyberanger> yes, and loaded with CM7
[01:57] <wrst> hmm I may do that sometime
[01:57] <wrst> hello Xpistos
[01:57] <cyberanger> but I didn't need to root to tether, my phone has that stock
[01:57] <Xpistos> Hey cyberanger Are  yoiu on
[01:58] <cyberanger> (well, after T-Mobile pushed out one OTA update, enabled it and wifi calling)
[01:58] <wrst> I have options that don't require rooting but backdoorish
[01:58] <cyberanger> Xpistos: yeah
[01:58] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, I just use the front door
[01:58] <Xpistos> hey can you guys try to go on http://alt3redegos.com and let me know if you can get to it?
[01:59]  * cyberanger puts on his boots, walks over to alt3redegos
[01:59]  * cyberanger knocks on the door, it answeres
[01:59] <cyberanger> Xpistos: all good
[01:59] <Xpistos> really?
[01:59] <Xpistos> I can't get on
[02:00] <cyberanger> yeah
[02:00] <Xpistos> how can I flush my dns?
[02:01] <Xpistos> I am not sure how to in linux
[02:01] <wrst> works for me Xpistos
[02:01] <Xpistos> damn it!
[02:01] <cyberanger> and all of his nameservers are responding
[02:01]  * wrst heads for bed
[02:01] <cyberanger> Xpistos: did you install any dns caching tools
[02:01] <Xpistos> no but tell me and I will
[02:01] <cyberanger> wrst: running from the problems, nice luxury
[02:02] <cyberanger> see you tommorow
[02:02] <Xpistos> night wrst
[02:02] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I don't mind telling you, but that means there's no dns cache to flush atm
[02:02] <cyberanger> however your router or browser is a thought
[02:02] <cyberanger> what's your browser?
[02:03] <Xpistos> chrome and firefox
[02:04] <cyberanger> have you been trying both?
[02:05] <Xpistos> yep
[02:05] <Xpistos> I can't get to ae/antyhing
[02:05] <Xpistos> but I can ftp to the site
[02:06] <cyberanger> via domain or ip
[11:00] <cyberanger> man, I'm used to some daylight right about now
[11:55] <wrst> cyberanger: this clock change stuff is stupid
[11:55] <cyberanger> it used to make some sense
[11:55] <cyberanger> until they changed the dates it applied on
[12:00] <cyberanger> they've tweaked it beyond any reason
[12:00] <wrst> cyberanger if I hear one more person talk about enjoying the extra sunlight I will scream
[12:01] <wrst> when the government has people fooled into thinking they control sunlight its all over!
[12:01] <cyberanger> but I always enjoy extra sunlight (that's not related to the time change however, jus a matter of our tilt to the sun)
[12:03] <wrst> yes me too cyberanger :)
[12:03] <cyberanger> they already have the ability to control (nuclear) winter, what's the harm in sunlight ;-)
[12:04] <wrst> ohh and calling it fast time or slow time like we can speed up or slow down time!
[12:04] <cyberanger> well, we can change ones perception on time
[12:05] <cyberanger> just a matter of adjusting the water treatment chemicals a little
[12:05] <wrst> yes but me setting thehour hand on the clock doesn't!
[12:05] <cyberanger> it seems to be doing wonders here, it feels like 7:05
[12:06] <cyberanger> oh, wait, no, that's just cause they made my clock wrong
[12:08] <wrst> ha ha it is 7:05 here :)
[12:08] <wrst> hmm actually 7:08 my server needs to start updating time clock mroe often
[12:09] <cyberanger> time zone though, your CDT, I'm CST
[12:09] <cyberanger> err, EDT
[12:09] <wrst> :)
[12:09] <wrst> either way it works out :)
[12:09] <cyberanger> bloddy letters all getting jumbled about
[12:10] <cyberanger> if I were CST, it'd be the same as MDT
[12:10] <cyberanger> if I were EST, same as CST
[12:10] <cyberanger> ugh
[12:10] <wrst> quit thinking about it. its too confusing :)
[12:12] <cyberanger> not too confusing, just unnecessary
[12:14] <wrst> agreed!
[12:15] <cyberanger> completely unnecessary
[12:15] <wrst> yes
[12:16] <cyberanger> add power generating stations, and have farmers work when there's work todo, same as me, night or day
[12:16] <cyberanger> two commonly cited reasons, done
[12:16] <wrst> yes the farmers don't really care they start at daylight end at dark
[12:17] <wrst> today it means the farmers miss some prime time television
[12:17] <wrst> with the clock change
[12:18] <cyberanger> they used to cite movie theaters as one power using reason, tell them to turn the bloddy AC off in winter, done
[12:18] <wrst> cyberanger: what do you think about nuclear power.. speaking of power usage
[12:18] <cyberanger> and not to have it in 32 in summer, buggers try to freeze you out
[12:19] <wrst> oh i love the temp in the theatres cyberanger one of the few things i like
[12:19] <cyberanger> I take a more complicated route than most (most are it's the end of the world, or nothing can go wrong)
[12:20] <cyberanger> I think we don't currently have anything to offset them
[12:20] <cyberanger> nothing else generates so much power per plant
[12:20] <wrst> i think we should be using it a lot more personally and that would help with lots of issues
[12:21] <cyberanger> but I do think that since we cannot deal with the waste, and we do not reprocess like japan (they do it cause they have no native source for fuel, and no space to store it)
[12:21] <cyberanger> then we need to be looking for other options
[12:21] <wrst> gotta be some reasonable solution to the waste?
[12:22] <cyberanger> there isn't that's what makes it a time bomb of sorts
[12:22] <wrst> but i'm in the use everythign as far as energy goes but i really think we need to be energy independent
[12:22] <cyberanger> target of oppertunity
[12:23] <cyberanger> yes, which is why I'm saying get us options that work, not kill oil and coal and nuclear, don't build damns
[12:23] <cyberanger> every method has down sides
[12:23] <cyberanger> but we don't need to do MTR mining for coal
[12:24] <wrst> MTR?
[12:24] <cyberanger> we can mine in other ways
[12:24] <cyberanger> MountainTop Removal
[12:24] <cyberanger> blowing up a mountain, not worried about where the soil or chemicals within go
[12:25] <cyberanger> changes the landscape overnight, destroys ecosystems overnight too
[12:25] <wrst> yeah there's not that much of that going on if i'm not mistaken?
[12:26] <cyberanger> cause they're finally trying to stop that
[12:26] <wrst> at one time in my area there was some of that or a lot of that and strip mining etc really did do a lot of damage
[12:26] <cyberanger> but there doesn't need to be alot of that, it's exponentally worse than strip mining
[12:26] <cyberanger> 40 years of pit or strip mining done in a day
[12:27] <cyberanger> the coal pocket that we needed 10 years to get out before, under a week
[12:27] <wrst> but i really beleive we have enough of all the above to work until the next big thing comes out
[12:28] <cyberanger> that's part of my issue, the next big thing is out
[12:28] <wrst> what is it ? :)
[12:29] <cyberanger> but becuase it makes the utilities more of a stock market than an actual utility company in todays sense, they don't want to touch it too much
[12:29] <cyberanger> solar and wind
[12:29] <cyberanger> microgeneration
[12:29] <wrst> saying pretty much every house produces its own power?
[12:29] <cyberanger> that could offset coal and oil
[12:30] <cyberanger> well, not every house and done, still need power for factories, bussinesses, places that can't do either
[12:30] <cyberanger> but we barely utilize geothermal, wind and solar
[12:31] <cyberanger> and with hydro already on the list
[12:31] <cyberanger> we could mothball coal plants and reduce reactors a bit
[12:32] <wrst> that's the thing with me and electric cars... seem kinda useless right now because they are polluting with the coal power plants so whats the difference
[12:33] <cyberanger> reason for mothballing coal plants instead of outright removal is in a grid failure you gotta bring it back slowly, reconnecting a nuclear plant to the grid instantly would be seen as a surge in current
[12:33] <cyberanger> too much too quick
[12:33] <cyberanger> well, electric cars have the advantage of getting pollution out of a city
[12:34] <cyberanger> nobody puts a coal plant downtown
[12:34] <wrst> i don't want the pollution in the country cyberanger ;)
[12:35] <cyberanger> lessens the amount of people exposed, and that's even better when you factor in the amount of nuclear and green, and that cities are the most polluted, cause nobody wants a sucessful public transit system
[12:36] <cyberanger> wrst: never gonna see zero though, solar power is clean, but the panels are carbon emmiters
[12:38] <cyberanger> that's why I don't say ditch coal for nuclear, both are unclean
[12:38] <cyberanger> or add hydro, ecosystem damage
[12:39] <cyberanger> but if we say no to every method, due to it's downside, we'd have a shortage quickly
[12:41] <cyberanger> wrst: if we can get it reduced, and we can't import clean energy (well, aside from canada, but they're more likely to import from our coal plants)
[12:42] <cyberanger> then we've at least reduced both
[12:42] <wrst> i like the sound of hydrogen as long as it doesn't blow up :)
[12:44] <cyberanger> I like methane, due to the fact every land fill generates it, nobody will oppose to a power plant there (they approved the landfill, kinda hard to approve anything worse from there)
[12:45] <cyberanger> and I also would like a helium powered car, get in a wreak, no way to have road rage "I think I've got a fuel leak, I can't hit you, I sound like a girl"
[12:49] <chibihogoshino> anyone watching yokosonews ?
[12:50] <cyberanger> yes, but not this moment
[12:50] <cyberanger> been focused on Libya lately
[12:51] <wrst> cyberanger:  that sounds good also :)
[12:51] <cyberanger> methane on helium?
[12:53] <wrst> both
[12:53] <wrst> do it all
[12:53] <cyberanger> well, helium was more joke and wishful thinking, but if it works :-D
[12:55] <cyberanger> but methane is a possibility
[12:55] <wrst> i'm for whatever gets us from depending on the mid-east
[12:55] <wrst> and that includes drilling what we have here
[12:55] <cyberanger> can you say deepwater horizon
[12:56] <wrst> i really want us to be rid of that crazy area i don't see that we are going to do anygood there
[12:56] <wrst> cyberanger: drill on land most of that due to govt regs has been banned
[12:57] <cyberanger> well, we'd do better if we didn't regulate ourselves away from domestic sources
[12:57] <wrst> agreed big time cyberanger
[12:57] <cyberanger> but these companies like more coverups and less regulation
[12:57] <wrst> not to mention give citizens jobs
[12:58] <wrst> i'm not for sure that its the companies completely i think the fed has a lot to do with it also
[12:58] <wrst> granted I think its both
[12:58] <cyberanger> I hate to say it, but this might be one case where a gov't owned competitor isn't horrible
[12:58] <wrst> i'm all for a free market but fact is with energy we don't have one
[13:00] <cyberanger> well, we do, we have the freedom to deal with higher costs here, or any dictatorship elsewhere willing to sell
[13:00] <cyberanger> it's a free market, our options just suck
[13:00] <wrst> yeah but in the truest since dealing with opec is not free market
[13:01] <wrst> we need open source energy cyberanger ;)
[13:01] <cyberanger> but it's not just opec, we've got other ditactorships to utilize too
[13:02] <wrst> yeah i'm not wild about dealing with dictatorships or china which probably falls somewhat under dictatorship
[13:03] <cyberanger> somewhat, how about entirely
[13:03] <cyberanger> and I'd say russia too
[13:03] <wrst> agreed there also cyberanger
[13:04] <cyberanger> russia used to be a one party system, the Lubyanka gang just learned it's easier to manulapite a multiparty system
[13:06] <cyberanger> they used to have little options for press, and lacked freedom of the press, now they have freedom of the press, and many options to bully into keeping quiet
[13:07] <cyberanger> buying from Gazprom or any other russian source is impossible anyhow, both china and russia don't want to sell
[13:12] <wrst> uhh thinking about the world hacks me off cyberanger :)
[13:12] <wrst> cyberanger:  have you tried natty out yet? :)
[13:12] <cyberanger> Hack the planet!
[13:12] <cyberanger> lol
[13:13] <cyberanger> I have, openbox runs great on it
[13:34] <wrst> cool cyberanger
[13:34] <wrst> i'm using stock unity and all is good so far for me
[13:35] <cyberanger> oh, were you asking if I was running unity or gnome ;-)
[14:07] <wrst> oh no cyberanger i knew better than that :P
[14:09] <cyberanger> hehe
[14:13] <wrst> but unity to me is looking much better than gnome shell
[14:30] <cyberanger> well, that says little to me
[14:30] <cyberanger> not a unity fan
[14:37] <cyberanger> but also aware that gnome shell left something to be desired
[15:24] <cyberanger> still gotta figure out what may have changed with upstart
[15:24] <cyberanger> unfortunately
[15:41] <wrst> yeah cyberanger gnome shell in its current form... kde 4
[15:41] <wrst> if not worse
[15:41] <wrst> IMHO
[15:41] <cyberanger> worse
[15:42] <cyberanger> kde 4 was a mistake, but something to fall back on existed
[15:42] <cyberanger> gnome shell, not really any version felt right
[15:43] <cyberanger> (granted, I wasn't much of a fan of kde, but I can at least say I used it for awhile, it worked)
[16:17] <cyberanger> wrst: did you see sunday's chalkboard gag on the sispsons?
[16:18] <wrst> no i did not cyberanger?
[16:18] <cyberanger> "Daylight Savings" is not a failed bank
[16:18] <cyberanger> seems they like the idea as much as us
[16:22] <wrst> ha ha awesoem cyberanger
[17:23] <Mighty_Penguin> wrst, last night I appear to have upgraded my 10.10 install to 11.04
[17:23] <wrst> uhh Mighty_Penguin did you mean to do that?
[17:24] <Mighty_Penguin> it was interesting, I logged into my fresh install, go to facebook, and I noticed my email predefined lol
[17:24] <Mighty_Penguin> not really but it doesn't hurt I guess
[17:36] <vychune> o/
[18:02] <wrst> ok just watched this video on gnome shell and it looks better than the last time i tried it
[18:02] <wrst> http://www.thisweekinlinux.com/2011/03/first-look-at-fedora-15-alpha-1-with-gnome-shell/
[18:06] <cyberanger> the annoying part of the upgrade is my local mirror isn't setup for that yet
[18:06] <cyberanger> so it defeats the purpose atm
[19:03] <Juzzy> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40.php
[19:20] <wrst> wow Juzzy
[19:55] <chibihogoshino> its crazy how many quakes that part of the world has gotten in the last few days
[20:13] <wrst> yeah chibihogoshino hard to imagine
[20:14] <chibihogoshino> i dont have to imagine it ..
[20:14] <wrst> ?
[20:14] <chibihogoshino> its going on now ..
[20:15] <chibihogoshino> can i install linux onto a headless server without a monitor ?
[20:15] <wrst> cyberanger: ^^^^
[20:16] <chibihogoshino> yea.. you beet me to it
[20:16] <wrst> chibihogoshino: i'm betting there is a way i generally hook a mon. up but i bet there is a way and cyberanger knows it :)
[20:16] <chibihogoshino> i dont one to hook up tho ..
[20:16] <chibihogoshino> im thining of having a ssh server start and and then sshing into the box and running the install from a remote x session
[20:18] <wrst> chibihogoshino: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=250609
[20:19] <chibihogoshino> hmm
[20:19] <chibihogoshino> yeah im not going to do it that way
[21:27] <cyberanger> there is a way, but how many steps are you willing to add
[21:27] <cyberanger> that's kinda the annoyance with that
[21:27] <cyberanger> plus I'm unaware of any of those methods applying to ubuntu
[21:46] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: what about the remote x session thing ?
[23:44] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: not aware of that in the installer
[23:44] <cyberanger> and it's easier to use a text based installer
[23:44] <cyberanger> but ubuntu stripped that out of the debian installer they use afaik
[23:45] <cyberanger> and I think you still have to start it with a head
[23:45] <cyberanger> surely there's some headless options, but for the effort, I'd barrow a monitor for 15 minutes