[00:14] <quant> hi, if I apply updates to my alpha 3 will that get me to beta 1 when it's out and all the way to final when it's done?
[00:15] <Daekdroom> quant, as long as you run apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade when final is out
[00:15] <quant> Daekdroom, I meant to only do apt-get update... that wouldn't suffice?
[00:16] <quant> Daekdroom, I meant upgrade
[00:16] <Daekdroom> quant, it's possible it wouldn't install new packages that are included by default.
[00:16] <quant> Daekdroom, thanks
[00:17] <quant> Daekdroom, is there some particular beta after which I have no such danger if I keep running updates? perhaps the one that has the package freeze
[00:18] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[00:18] <Daekdroom> Apparently Beta 2
[00:37] <dylan-m> Okay, I'm curious: when you switch workspaces in Natty using the keyboard and you get that little overlay in the center of the screen (not the Expo view)… does it look profoundly ugly for anyone else?
[00:40] <Amaranth> dylan-m: I preferred it not having the little thumbnails myself
[00:41] <dylan-m> It might be a rendering issue, but I can't put my finger on what exactly is wrong. Just feels kind of noisy.
[00:42] <Amaranth> dylan-m: Probably the lack of mipmap and the extreme resizing
[02:10] <Omega> After opening my laptop lid, gdm did not show up, the screen stayed black.
[02:10] <Omega> I entered my password and I think I logged back in
[02:10] <Omega> but the screen is still black
[02:10] <Omega> if I move the mouse aroung, I can see it changing states
[02:10] <Omega> But, I don't know how to resume my session
[02:11] <Omega> Maybe restarting gdm?
[02:13] <Omega> Does anyone know what I should do?
[02:39] <alex_mayorga> I have to do $ gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel on every restart to get my panels back
[02:39] <alex_mayorga> does anyone know a more permanent solution?
[05:44] <xxmmaann> hi . i have a question about ubuntu 11.04
[05:44] <xxmmaann> is real than ubuntu 11.04 has unity inteface ?
[05:45] <xxmmaann> ???
[06:53] <Hukka> Hm, my upgrade process stopped after installing new packages, the window just dissappeared
[06:53] <Hukka> I don't think I saw that in known issues, so should report. But under what component and what logs might help debug?
[08:41] <doodoo> there is a massive memory leak in compiz on my natty installation. how to report bug?
[09:15] <Chipaca> Omega: you've probably already fixed your issue, yes?
[09:32] <zniavre> good morning
[09:32] <zniavre> im still stuck with unity and empty desktop (only icons) no launcher/panel what is wrong please ?
[09:53] <Daviey> Hello!
[09:54] <Daviey> Would someone running Natty, and mysql server on their desktop please confirm that they see "MySql Server" as a login option at GDM Greeter?
[10:21] <visual1ce> hi
[10:22] <visual1ce> im installing natty and i run into the following error: not possible to install bootloader at specified location - ive tried all other locations and nothing
[10:22] <visual1ce> is there a way to run an alternate cd like setup from the live cd? what key do i press when it is booting?
[10:25] <Eruaran> hello, I've just installed kubuntu 11.04 alpha3 but have no audio... have a HD3650 and on board audio as well
[10:25] <Eruaran> (which I always find annoying about ATI/AMD graphics cards)
[13:29] <dv-> is the new firefox in 11.4 supposed to be w|x instead of w^x?
[13:30] <Pici> Huh?
[13:31] <Pici> dv-: Can you rephrase?
[13:32] <dv-> when I run pspax from pax-utils, it shows firefox-bin as w|x, meaning that it can allocate memory which is both writeable and executable
[13:35] <Pici> dv-: That might be a better question for the folks who build the firefox packages, in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:37] <dv-> Pici: alright, thanks
[13:42] <coz_>   guys I have to break here,,, be back in a bit
[14:05] <zniavre> hello
[14:05] <zniavre> im reading the launchpad to catch my bug
[14:06] <zniavre> i can read > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/66402807/UnitySupportTest.txt < is it possible to get the output of this script to see if my pc can run unity  please?
[14:51] <kukuNut> getting this err in kernel compile - make[3]: *** [arch/x86/kernel/entry_64.o] Error 1.  any workaround? thanks
[14:52] <nemo> kukuNut: might want to pastebin the stuff before it
[14:52] <nemo> with only that line there is no context
[14:53] <kukuNut> nemo:   AS      arch/x86/kernel/entry_64.o
[14:53] <kukuNut> arch/x86/kernel/entry_64.S: Assembler messages:
[14:53] <kukuNut> arch/x86/kernel/entry_64.S:1544: Error: .size expression does not evaluate to a constant
[14:54] <nemo> welp.
[14:54] <nemo> I JFGI'd under the premise other people had same issue...
[14:54] <nemo> http://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?7,2399,2399,quote=1
[14:54] <nemo> and looks like there are 2 workarounds given there
[14:54] <nemo> (disabling paravirtualisation, and using different gcc)
[14:56] <kukuNut> nemo: is this an ubuntu issue, gcc?.  this is the 6.38 just released so am assuming it's not a kernel src issue?
[15:04] <nemo> kukuNut: dunno.
[15:04] <nemo> my guess is kernel bug though
[15:04] <nemo> hm
[15:04] <nemo> gcc bug according to Xen guys
[15:05] <nemo> http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2010-08/msg01184.html
[15:05] <nemo> hrm. that's a different error. n/m
[15:05] <nemo> heh. I figured "how many gcc 4.5 errors in xen kernel integration can there be?"  :)
[15:05] <nemo> apparently... more than one
[15:05] <kukuNut> nemo: but linus and the rest were able to build it?
[15:06]  * nemo shrugs
[15:06] <nemo> perhaps he tested the code under gcc 4.4 ?
[15:06] <nemo> who knows when it was added
[15:06] <kukuNut> anyway will try and build in gcc 4.4
[15:06] <nemo> given the kernel has a huge number of options, I'm guessing maybe not every variant has been tested in gcc 4.5 yet.
[15:09] <kukuNut> natty has been 4.5 all along? how did they build the kernel? no xen | virtualization?
[15:11] <MarconM> who is testing ubuntu 11.04
[15:18] <MarconM> who is testing ubuntu 11.04
[15:18] <MarconM> alpha 3
[15:20] <genii-around> Probably pretty much everyone here, I imagine.
[15:20] <dimmortal> probably most the people in here
[15:20] <dimmortal> lol..
[15:20] <dimmortal> beat me to it
[15:21] <Hukka> Any real questions?
[15:21] <MarconM> i want to know what you think about new release
[15:22] <MarconM> looks so much with mac
[15:22] <MarconM> but i likes
[15:22] <Hukka> So far, there's no difference
[15:22] <setuid> Is there a tool I can use to build the latest kernel with the exact parameters that my running (i.e. working) kernel was built with?
[15:22] <Hukka> setuid: Check /boot/config*
[15:22] <genii-around> <-  uses Kubuntu
[15:23] <dimmortal> MarconM: personally I dislike the side bar
[15:23] <MarconM> who remember the linux kurumin in the shell show the icon piguin on top
[15:23] <MarconM> dimmortal, why
[15:23] <Hukka> Personnally, the sidebar didn't stay up but just crashed. Many times
[15:23] <Hukka> So I use the traditional de
[15:23] <MarconM> yes Hukka i agree
[15:23] <setuid> Hukka, I know about that, I'm looking for something that will query, pull, build (into a .deb) and let me install the current/bleeding-edge kernel.
[15:24] <MarconM> Hukka, which version do you use
[15:24] <MarconM> on your desktop
[15:24] <MarconM> i use 10.10 32 bits
[15:24] <dimmortal> for one.. I don't like that its on the side..
[15:24] <MarconM> yes me too dimmortal
[15:24] <Hukka> MarconM: 64 bits, an natty a3, obviously
[15:24] <MarconM> too many think on desktop
[15:25] <Hukka> setuid: make oldconfig was able to use the previous config before
[15:25] <Hukka> setuid: Then make-kpkg was used to make a deb. But I haven't made my own kernel deb in years
[15:25] <MarconM> but i formated my note yestard i dont knew about new versio
[15:25] <setuid> I did write a blog post on this, but I was looking for something "smarter" than dpkg-kbuild
[15:25] <MarconM> i have lazeness to format again
[15:25] <MarconM> :s
[15:25] <Hukka> Pretty sure there isn't a single command, you have to know how to compile the kernel the traditional way
[15:26] <MarconM> Hukka, i have a icon ... ok .. how may i to put this icon on pront, in the shell
[15:26] <MarconM> without graphic installed
[15:26] <MarconM> frame buffer
[15:26] <Hukka> Please rephrase the question
[15:26] <MarconM> aeuhaueaheuaehuhaauha
[15:26] <MarconM> ok
[15:26] <Hukka> Preferably into one sentence
[15:27] <MarconM> sorry man...
[15:27] <MarconM> Hukka, i am brasilian
[15:27] <MarconM> brazilian
[15:27] <dimmortal> for another its not customizable enough yet.. same with the top bar.. I'd like to be able to add and subtract stuff on the top bar
[15:27] <MarconM> ok
[15:27] <MarconM> Hukka, do you remember the linux kurumin
[15:27] <Hukka> Never heard of kurumin
[15:28] <MarconM> whem it started the system, it show i piguin icon on top
[15:28] <MarconM> i wanna take my icon
[15:28] <Hukka> Oh yeah, framebuffer splash
[15:28] <MarconM> \o/
[15:28] <MarconM> omg i get to explain to him
[15:28] <MarconM> \o/
[15:28] <MarconM> aeuaheuaheuaeaheuahauh
[15:28] <MarconM> yes
[15:28] <dimmortal> and I find that the combination of shortcuts and open windows on the sidebar somewhat annoying
[15:28] <Hukka> Debian used to have (maybe still has) the debian swirl in boot
[15:29] <MarconM> Hukka, what the mean swirl
[15:29] <Hukka> This http://www.insidesocal.com/click/debianlogo1.jpg
[15:32] <MarconM> " brazilian joke " cherei largado =)
[15:32] <MarconM> chorei largado
[15:32] <MarconM> aeuehaueahuehaaa
[15:34] <MarconM> Hukka, i want to about this
[15:35] <MarconM> how i can to put my icon
[15:35] <MarconM> without x graphic just in terminal
[15:35] <Hukka> How is this related to natty?
[15:36] <Hukka> Anyway, I don't know offhand how to replace the current boot splash with the old style splash
[15:36] <Hukka> Google is the way to go, use the google
[15:37] <MarconM> Hukka, this is what i want
[15:37] <MarconM> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/vectorlinux/docs/vl50/images/vl5dyn/vd5-boot.png
[15:37] <MarconM> http://img.vivaolinux.com.br/imagens/artigos/verbose-mode-thmb.jpg
[15:38] <MarconM> Hukka, is man .. .but i would like to know if you know about ... website ... pdf file =D
[15:38] <MarconM> dont need to teach me ... give me tool
[15:38] <MarconM> =D
[15:38] <MarconM> but ... Hukka thanks
[15:53] <hawu> as long as there is no "freeze" yet new features can make it into Natty right?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> hawu: we are in feature freeze already, next freeze is for user interface
[15:57] <charlie-tca> !schedule
[15:57] <hawu> oh, i see
[16:24] <cmyrland> Hi, I'm having a couple of annoying issues since upgrading to Natty. Nautilus doesn't launch (or if it does it takes a couple of minutes to do so, and it's practically useless since each action also takes several minutes. If I run it with gksudo it's just fine, something that hints to possibly some conflicts from previous Ubuntu versions in my home folder? When I run it from terminal it says something about not recieving a reply in a "Unique
[16:24] <cmyrland> DBus warning".. Deleting .dbus in home folder doesn't help. I think this issue also affects Ubuntu One since it talks about "no reply" and dbus too..
[16:27] <lcb> cmyrland, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh dbus
[16:28] <lcb> better if you logout first and run it from recovery terminal option on the login 'window'
[16:28] <cmyrland> k, thanks. brb
[16:28] <lcb> this is just a suggestion. that's what i would do. not on a production machine though.
[16:33] <cmyrland> lcb, it seems it worked for nautilus, but as soon as I started U1 both Nautilus and U1 regressed to previous problems.
[16:35] <lcb> cmyrland, since you think it might be something from previous installations i would do cleaning with apt-get then an check, then upgrade. is that a production installation?
[16:35] <cmyrland> U1 says File Sync error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not recieve a reply timeout by message bus)
[16:35] <lcb> still dbus issue on that one
[16:36] <cmyrland> lcd, I didn't have this issue on Maverick. By "cleaning with apt" you mean apt-get clean? This is just my personal playground, no production machine.
[16:37] <lcb> ok. good
[16:37] <lcb> hold on
[16:37] <cmyrland> this is what nautilus says in terminal: $ nautilus
[16:37] <cmyrland> (nautilus:4543): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_bus_unwatch_name: assertion `watcher_id > 0' failed
[16:38] <cmyrland> holding on :=
[16:38] <cmyrland> :)
[16:38] <lcb> sudo apt-get autoremove -y && apt-get autoclean && apt-get check
[16:39] <lcb> cmyrland, have in mind i'm not an ubuntu expert. i only like to play with it and blow up computers
[16:40] <cmyrland> hahah, okay.
[16:40] <lcb> when that done  i would do...
[16:40] <lcb> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[16:41] <cmyrland> you also need sudo after each && :)
[16:41] <lcb> then reboot, press shift - you get a recovery console, select dpkg then grub then clen then reconfigure x
[16:41] <Pici> I really really wouldn't use -y on Natty.
[16:41] <Pici> You're liable to break your install.
[16:41] <lcb> clen = clean in typoenglish
[16:42] <cmyrland> Pici, why not?
[16:42] <IdleOne> -y is auto yes
[16:42] <cmyrland> no problem
[16:42] <lcb> i do a lot and i still have 3 boxes with no smoke
[16:42] <cmyrland> :)
[16:42] <IdleOne> it accepts whatever is going to happen
[16:42] <cmyrland> If something breaks I'll just do a clean install
[16:42] <Pici> cmyrland: Because often package dependencies aren't synced up properly and by saying yes, you'll end up removing every package to satisfy some dependency that really should have waited for a new version of the package to land.
[16:43] <lcb> not on a working/production computer. never
[16:43] <IdleOne> cmyrland: your system
[16:43] <IdleOne> :)
[16:43] <cmyrland> Indeed :p
[16:44] <lcb> he's willing to blow up, don't worry. that's the way we learn how to be a good firefighter
[16:45] <IdleOne> lcb: I don't think Pici is worried, he just wanted to give fair warning.
[16:45] <cmyrland> Oh, there's another weird little bug I've encountered: When I boot my laptop on battery power, it sometimes displays two battery indicators. Both display correct info on click, and both work, but only one of them visually changes as battery discharges. Acer Timetime T3810, Intel system.
[16:46] <cmyrland> IdleOne, Pici, and that's appreciated. :) I'm really not any good at troubleshooting and fixing broken systems, so warnings are always appreciated
[16:46] <lcb> IdleOne, i know. but i understan whoever uses natty before final is willing to play around with it.
[16:47] <cmyrland> lcb, no updates available
[16:47] <lcb> *understand*
[16:47] <lcb> cmyrland, do that recovery console on boot and see if everything gets right
[16:48] <IdleOne> lcb: the past 2-3 alpha releases there has been a lot more new users running +1 as their main OS. it is a good idea to keep in mind that they have no idea what alpha means and that any instructions given should also come with the appropriate warnings of possible total destruction.
[16:48] <lcb> cmyrland, natty is in testing stage. you will get a log of warnings, errors and so ever. but it works nice, in general
[16:48] <lcb> log/lot
[16:49] <cmyrland> I'm not sure I understood what you meant: "press shift - you get a recovery console, select dpkg then grub then clen then reconfigure x. " - I got the first part, but "select dpkg, then grub"?
[16:49] <lcb> IdleOne, indeed
[16:50] <lcb> cmyrland, while on booting, after the bios messages... as soon as you see the cursor blinking press shift. you'll get a recovery dialog.. wait
[16:50] <cmyrland> you mean the grub menu?
[16:50] <cmyrland> holding shift loads grub
[16:51] <lcb> then select dpkg option, twice or more times (as soon you see there is a net connection and as soon you don't see anymore updates or corrections
[16:51] <lcb> wait
[16:51] <lcb> select then grub option to update grub. then clean option and then failsaFE OPTION
[16:52] <lcb> oops, i fail safe caps lock
[16:52] <lcb> failed, i mean :)
[16:52] <lcb> cmyrland, yes, the grub menu
[16:52] <lcb> ohh.. no
[16:53] <lcb> on that one select recovery
[16:53] <cmyrland> aha... ;)
[16:53] <lcb> then ou will get the other options on a dialog
[16:53] <cmyrland> hang on
[16:53] <cmyrland> yeah
[16:54] <lcb> i'm hanging on my wireless antenna . hurry up. the owner of this connection might discover.
[17:04] <cmyrland> hm, no improvement
[17:04] <lcb> cmyrland, i have to leave for a bit. run it from classical desktop though and check everything
[17:06] <cmyrland> yeah.. It's not a big problem for me, so I might just wait and reinstall at a later time
[17:06] <lcb> just a sec...
[17:08] <lcb> cmyrland, i think a good way of knowing natty (with issues) is running it with unity 2d
[17:10] <lcb> how you do it? select on login Unity 2D. then you can adapt yourself to the new interface.
[17:11] <lcb> if you want to have a smooth transition, add to startup applications (under 'Preferences') gnome-panel (no sudo.
[17:12] <lcb> you'll get the gnome bottom panel
[17:12] <lcb> good luck with a god look :)
[17:12]  * lcb away
[17:13] <MarconM> on ubuntu natty, dont has effect
[17:14] <MarconM> efffect its desable
[17:14] <MarconM> :S
[17:14] <MarconM> i want to active compiz, cube, workspace , etc..
[17:19] <zniavre> !nouveau
[19:16] <MTecknology> !info nginx-full
[19:16] <MTecknology> ...
[19:16]  * MTecknology sighs and goes to do broken engagement chores
[19:17] <genii-around> !info nginx-full maverick
[19:17] <genii-around> Hm
[19:20] <Mkaysi> what is nfinx
[19:21] <Mkaysi> Oops, this is not #ubuntu-bots ...
[19:27] <MTecknology> !info nginx
[19:28] <MTecknology> genii-around: bug 729691
[19:42] <coz_> hey all
[19:44] <benste> hi - where can i get daily - alternate amd64 images - want to test my system but using LVM and amd 64 machine
[19:44] <benste> and there was a important bug in the a3 milestone
[19:44] <coz_> benste,   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:44] <coz_> I think that's what you wa nt
[19:45] <rww> "alternate"
[19:45] <coz_> ooo alternate hold on
[19:45] <rww> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[19:45] <coz_> :) yep
[19:47] <rww> huh, looks like we have a factoid for it, even. !daily
[19:50] <coz_> !daily
[21:03] <benste1> which package is the right one to file a bug against- if the keyboard layout is detected but not applied during the installation ?
[21:04] <benste1> -- after installation i'm stuck in USA keyboard but was able to add the right one manually
[21:07] <h31> Hi all. How stable is Natty in a current state?
[21:07] <benste1> no one knows which package is responsible for saving the keyboard layout during installation ? - didn't find a meta package for this
[21:07] <benste1> h31: unstable :-)
[21:07] <benste1> -- work in progress but only for testing -- e.g. alpha 3 didn't allow LVM systems - + unity doens't lunach in my system now
[21:08] <h31> benste1, when Natty will become relatively stable? First beta?
[21:08] <benste1> h31: depends on what you want to do ??
[21:09] <alex_mayorga> agree, been rather stable as long as I turn off all video acceleration over here
[21:09] <h31> benste1, I'm using it on my desktop with no really serious tasts :)
[21:09] <h31> *tasks
[21:09] <alex_mayorga> otherwise X would hang every 30 or so minutes here
[21:09] <alex_mayorga> but that'd be nvidia's fault
[21:09] <benste1> h31: as long as you dual boot it's stable enought for testing
[21:10] <benste1> -- alex_mayorga try the neveau driver-  works well for me atm - expcet unity
[21:10] <yofel> only hangs with nouveau and acceleration here, nvidia works fine
[21:11] <h31> benste1, Installer will not remove all my partitions? It's better to try alpha 3 and update it after install or nightly builds?
[21:12] <yofel> manual partitioning probably won't, what the automatic thing does is something I don't know, never tried it
[21:12] <yofel> but rather just make a persisten USB drive and test it there
[21:12] <yofel> *persistent
[21:13] <h31> Ok, thank you!
[21:17] <benste1> yofel: - unity ? - standard desktop session works well with nouveau
[21:18] <yofel> no, KDE. But I have a GPU get locks up after a while if acceleration is enabled in nouveau. Known issue
[21:18] <yofel> *a GPU that locks up
[21:19] <yofel> nouveau works fine as long as I boot with nouveau.noaccel=1
[21:19] <coz_>   ok I need to break for supper ,, be back in a bit
[21:35] <ninjai_> i installed alpha 3 in virtualbox, however even with the guest additions installed I can't get the left panel launcher.  Why not?
[21:38] <ninjai_> nvm i needed to install ccsm and enable the unity plugin
[21:54] <aVirulence> hi all... does anyone have an idea why Natty can't find my RAID drives (mdadm) on boot? Even when I manually try to assemble the RAID, mdadm doesn't find the drives. Not on my installed version, not on the LiveCD. However, on the 9.04 LiveCD, my RAID drive show up just fine
[22:11] <phoenixsampras> my aunt is named Natty, should i demand for some $$$ ?
[22:12] <Daekdroom> Aunt Natty
[22:12] <IdleOne> does your aunt receive payments from all the other people named Natty?
[22:13] <phoenixsampras> she is very complicated, and exclusive
[22:13] <IdleOne> nothing like Ubuntu Natty
[22:13]  * IdleOne goes back to watching trolls on t.v.
[22:43] <coz_> hey agll
[22:43] <coz_>  rather hey all
[23:13] <Daekdroom> Does it bother anyone else that the unity panel window icons look extremly bad with anything that isn't ambiance or radiance?
[23:14] <coz_> anyone using kde here?
[23:14] <coz_> I notice with compiz running,, the click and drag window is not working but instead gives me an arrow pointing down/right  like a resize arrow
[23:30] <phoenixsampras> is the video drivers
[23:30] <phoenixsampras> compiz has not the fault
[23:30] <phoenixsampras> anyone drunk?