[00:02] <doctormo> mhall119: What's happened?
[00:03] <paultag> doctormo: thrid reactor is melting down
[00:03] <paultag> doctormo: first two are under control, they had to dump seawater into one of them (which really stops them from using it again)
[00:03] <paultag> first was a hydrogen explosion or something
[00:05] <doctormo> Nasty stuff, the bbc says it's highly likely one will melt.
[00:05] <doctormo> I presume that's where the metal gets so hot it melts.
[00:06] <paultag> doctormo: well, from what little nuclar engineering I do know, the concrete shell is to delay the radioactive material from running through it as long as it can, not to actually contain anything
[00:07] <paultag> doctormo: I think it's when the material starts to run without control rods in, so it starts running at above safe levels
[00:07] <paultag> and then it burns through the shell of the plant and contamanates the groundwater
[00:07] <paultag> I think
[00:07] <paultag> I actually have no idea
[00:09] <mhall119> 'meltdown' literally means the fuel rods get so hot that they melt
[00:18] <mhall119> which, like paultag said, means it starts to burn through the bottom of the steel canister and then the concrete below it
[00:18] <paultag> mhall119: score! I'm glad I was not totally wrong :)
[00:19] <doctormo> They should build the base out of diamondonium
[00:21] <mhall119> there's probably not much, real or imagined, that can contain an uncontrolled fission reaction
[00:22] <mhall119> I'm not sure on the details, whether the melted fuel would pool in concentrations high enough to maintain fission
[00:23] <doctormo> mhall119: It's a substance from futurama, it was used into Beast with a billion backs.
[00:23] <mhall119> right now there's no fission reaction in any of the reactors, because of the control rods
[00:23] <doctormo> where does the heat come from then?
[00:24] <mhall119> during the fission reaction, it turns a bunch of non-fissile material radio-active
[00:24] <paultag> doctormo: radioactive decay
[00:24] <mhall119> the decay accounts for something like 6% of the regular heat output of the reactors
[00:24] <paultag> humm
[00:24] <mhall119> so right now they're trying to keep it cool enough while the rest of that material finishes it's decay process
[00:24] <paultag> mhall119: so... a few million years?
[00:25] <mhall119> no, the stuff it produces has a relatively low half life
[00:25] <paultag> mhall119: aye, but it's half life, not when it's finished ;)
[00:25] <mhall119> somethingon the order of hours, if i remember what the physicist on cnn was saying
[00:25] <paultag> a few hour long half life?!
[00:25] <paultag> that's like nothing
[00:25] <paultag> they must burn through radioactive material
[00:25] <mhall119> right, but after a few days it should be cool enough to not be dangerous
[00:26] <paultag> mhall119: aye
[00:26] <doctormo> paultag: You'd be surprised how fast a 1kg rock fizzles into the either when it's got a half life of 2 seconds
[00:26] <mhall119> it may be a multi-step decay process too
[00:26] <mhall119> before it reaches a stable isotope
[00:28] <mhall119> the hydrogen explosion videos are scary though
[00:28] <doctormo> I wonder where that comes from
[00:28] <mhall119> especially considering that it's happening right on top of an unstable reactor
[00:29] <mhall119> doctormo: they said that when the reactor gets too hot, the zirconium plating on the reactor and rods oxidizes, stripping oxygen from the water, releasing hydrogen
[00:30] <mhall119> they had to vent the steam from the reactor into the outer building, but it had so much accumulated hydrogen in it that it sparked an explosion in that building, blew the walls and roof off
[00:49] <jcastro> hey paultag
[00:49] <paultag> hi jcastro
[00:49] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3LdkorCCjM&feature=related
[00:49] <jcastro> FOR YOU DAWG
[00:50] <paultag> jcastro: thanks bro :P
[01:55] <duanedesign> mhall119: ahh, interesting. I was wondering where the hydrogen came from.
[01:56] <duanedesign> i know they do not store that kind of stuff anywhere near reactors
[01:57] <paultag> duanedesign: reactors have no open flames or anything, they're quite safe
[01:57] <paultag> for being hit with a mag 9 earthquake, tons of water, and having the roof blow off, it's doing rather well
[02:46] <duanedesign> paultag: i was just puzzled by the hydrogen explosions since their are regulations regarding the storage of flammable gas in proximity to a nuclear power plant
[04:08] <nigelb> morning
[04:08] <nigelb> paultag: I'm in internet wwithdrawl :p
[04:08] <nigelb> home connection busted for another 12 hours till a tech can figure out what's wrong :(
[04:11] <duanedesign> nigelb: oh no
[04:11] <duanedesign> nigelb: and good morning o/
[05:03] <nigelb> good morning
[05:03] <nigelb> just after I said that, I lost internet.  Sigh
[07:48] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:07] <dpm> good morning all!
[08:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:41] <dpm> morgen dholbach!
[08:41] <dpm> morning czajkowski
[08:43] <czajkowski> how are we al today ?
[08:43] <czajkowski> all good I hope
[08:44] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:44] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[08:48] <dpm> yeah, it's a sunny day here, so all good :)
[08:48] <czajkowski> no sun just yet...
[09:12] <dholbach> no sun here either, but the cold is gone and I went for a run this morning, which was good again
[09:15] <nigelb> hot sun here, I'll switch with any of you right now :\
[09:40] <dpm> hi doctormo, around?
[09:40] <nigelb> dpm: I suspect not, very late for him.
[09:41] <dpm> ok, it was worth a try, though :)
[09:42] <nigelb> heh
[09:46] <Pendulum> dpm: it's 5:45 here so I suspect he's not awake yet
[09:47] <dpm> ok, I'll try later on then :)
[09:49]  * nigelb waves to Pendulum 
[09:50] <Pendulum> hi nigelb
[09:50]  * Pendulum goes back to bed
[09:53] <nigelb> Pendulum: heh
[09:53] <nigelb> Pendulum: I'm jealous :D
[09:53]  * nigelb is /very/ sleepy today
[10:34] <dholbach> popey, Technoviking, pleia2, any of you around for the CC meeting in 26m?
[10:34] <popey> yes
[10:34] <dholbach> great
[10:34]  * popey puts the kettle on
[10:39] <Pendulum> nigelb: I was up at 4AM (and didn't manage to get back to sleep anyway :-/ )
[11:00] <dholbach> greg-g, around?
[11:02] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:15] <nigelb> Pendulum: :)
[11:15] <nigelb> Pendulum: I haven't seen 4 am from that end in a longish while :D
[11:16] <Pendulum> nigelb: wish I could say the same :P
[11:19] <nigelb> Wheeee! http://www.flickr.com/photos/kushaldas/sets/72157626137905943/
[11:38] <dholbach> oh man
[11:39] <nigelb> ?
[11:39] <dholbach> I just received inbox zero through the most stupid way on earth
[11:39] <dholbach> I was in a bit of a hurry and deleted all of them
[11:39] <nigelb> lol
[11:40] <dholbach> accidentally
[11:40] <dholbach> it was like 30 or something
[11:40] <dholbach> oh man
[11:40] <nigelb> go to trash and restore :)
[11:40] <dholbach> I better take a bit of a break now before I make things worse
[11:40] <dholbach> nigelb, gone from trash
[11:40] <dholbach> I closed thunderbird afterwards
[11:40] <dholbach> ugh ugh ugh
[11:40] <nigelb> dholbach: oh great :\
[12:04]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach 
[12:05]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski back
[12:17] <greg-g> dholbach: I'm awake now
[12:17] <dholbach> greg-g, ah great
[12:18] <dholbach> greg-g, we were talking about the ubuntu wiki relicensing: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/15/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt
[12:18] <dholbach> 11:05 → 11:19
[12:18] <dholbach> maybe you have some input?
[12:19] <greg-g> I'll read real quick
[12:19] <dholbach> excellent
[12:20] <greg-g> ah, so, I emailed pleia2 yesterday afternoon (my time, so closer to 7pm your time).
[12:21] <greg-g> has she forwarded that to the CC?
[12:21] <dholbach> let me check
[12:21] <dholbach> if it landed in my inbox it's gone - I accidentally deleted everything in my inbox this morning
[12:22] <greg-g> I just sent it to you
[12:22] <dholbach> thanks
[12:22] <greg-g> np
[12:25] <dholbach> greg-g, forgive me for being a little bit dense, but the case I have in mind is this one: once we use the new license, can I take content from the wiki, reformat it, etc and publish it on the web, as epub, pdf, etc. and people can use that on their kindle/etc devices?
[12:25] <dholbach> if that's possible, I don't see any reason for us to amend the license text / dual-license at all
[12:26] <greg-g> if you publish in an epub/pdf those are open formats and can be put on Kindles/ipads/etc.
[12:27] <dholbach> popey, ^
[12:27] <greg-g> `as long as *you* don't use DRM (and as the email shows, you can puublish on the Kindle without DRM)
[12:27] <dholbach> afaics I'm happy
[12:27] <greg-g> :) cool
[12:28] <dholbach> pleia2, Technoviking: ^
[12:28] <popey> what if the store requires DRM?
[12:28] <popey> e.g. Apple store
[12:30] <greg-g> so, does the DRM prevent people from exercising the rights that the liense provides?
[12:30] <greg-g> I don't own an apple product, so I don't if their DRM prevents people from copy/pasting etc
[12:30] <greg-g> also, does their DRM provide any options to the content creator?
[12:31] <popey> not sure
[12:31] <greg-g> The key part is if the user of the content is prevented from using the content in the way the license allows
[12:31] <dpm> hi nigelb, I'd like to run a translations training session on #ubuntu-classroom, how do I add it to the calendar?
[12:31] <popey> looks like other people have cc licensed content in the apple store
[12:32] <greg-g> popey: yeah, I would assume so.
[12:33] <nigelb> dpm: you can just ask one of us in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[12:33] <greg-g> so, mostly I see the use of a modified license as less optimal, because that makes people read and understand that modification before they can make a use. If every wiki added their own modification then the efficiency that was created by standardizing this licenses is lost.
[12:33] <nigelb> dpm: that'd be me, pleia2, Pendulum, nhandler, or cjohnston :)
[12:34] <dpm> ok, coming over
[12:35] <greg-g> Also, it could be understood that as long as someone was just redistributed the content from w.u.c then any DRM wasn't really preventing people from reusing that content as they could get it from w.u.c (as long as the Attribution clause was being followed and they linked to the wiki). This would only prevent the case where someone made a new derivative of the content and only distributed via DRM that disallowed copy/pasting etc.
[12:36]  * greg-g ends lecture
[12:36] <greg-g> :)
[12:36] <dholbach> my gut feeling is that we should roll with CC-BY-SA 3.0 and see for concrete cases where this poses problems
[12:37] <dholbach> afaics there's nothing substantial blocking us now :)
[12:40] <greg-g> ok, sorry all, I need to go finish getting ready for work and head out
[12:40] <greg-g> I'll be on later
[12:41] <nigelb> dholbach: hey, what do you think of a quick event right before UGJ about how to do bug triage, translations, and other stuff we actually do at UGJ?
[12:42] <dholbach> nigelb, great idea - we should talk to jcastro about it
[12:42] <nigelb> dholbach: Yep, I can help organize it.
[12:43] <nigelb> dpm: ^^ as you predicted
[12:43] <dpm> :)
[12:43] <nigelb> :)
[12:44] <nigelb> dholbach: on second thoughts we can have it *during UGJ* to get the excitement higher
[12:45] <dholbach> might be good to have a session before
[12:45] <dholbach> so people know what to expect
[12:45] <dholbach> and how to plan stuff
[12:45] <nigelb> oh, that works too :)
[12:57]  * popey tickles dholbach with the cc agenda page
[12:57] <popey> :)
[12:57] <dholbach> yes yes
[12:57] <dholbach> and the team report
[12:57] <popey> :)
[12:57] <dholbach> popey, I need to rush to the shop now - so depending on how much it disturbs you, you might want to just go ahead and .......... :)
[12:57] <popey> haha
[12:58] <dholbach> see you in a bit
[13:40] <pleia2> dholbach, popey I forwarded greg-g's comments yesterday
[13:40] <pleia2> to the CC
[13:41] <nigelb> pleia2: dholbach had email fail today :p
[13:41] <pleia2> popey too?
[13:41] <pleia2> seems strange that neither received it :(
[13:41] <nigelb> pleia2: (are you up /really/ early or is my clock messed up?)
[13:41] <pleia2> really early
[13:46] <pleia2> ok, my email is in the CC archives, so it did get there I guess not everyone saw it
[13:46] <popey> uhm, seems i got it
[13:47]  * popey wishes he had inbox zero and not inbox 1922
[13:47] <popey> sorry pleia2
[13:48] <pleia2> no worries, I should have followed up with greg-g sooner than a day before the meeting anyway ;)
[13:51] <greg-g> :)
[14:25] <Technoviking> dholbach: sorry I miss the meeting
[14:25] <dholbach>  no worries
[14:26] <dholbach> it was quite early for you :)
[14:26] <dholbach> and it was a quick one anyway
[15:54] <jono> dpm, dholbach hey! sorry I missed our calls - I set my alarm for 7.30pm, but my phone was on the old time before the time changed
[15:54] <jono> argh!
[15:54] <jono> dpm, dholbach I am free in a few mins if either of you have time
[15:54] <dpm> jono, no worries
[15:55] <czajkowski> *click* jono *click* howdy
[15:55] <jono> dpm, want to chat in 5?
[15:55] <jono> hey czajkowski :-)
[15:55] <dpm> jono, sure
[15:55] <jono> dpm, ok, going to make a coffee first so I am not useless!
[15:56] <dpm> jono, no worries, take your time!
[15:57] <jcastro> dpm: https://launchpad.net/bugs/536969
[15:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 536969 in libappindicator "The api docs are incomplete or missing" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:57] <jcastro> what should ted do with this, keep it open or is all the API docs stuff on your plate or ... ?
[15:59] <czajkowski> jono: it's wrong but I did giggle when I read your post then I felt so bad for you
[15:59] <jono> czajkowski, the severed fifth post?
[16:01] <jcastro> Never feel sorry for METAL
[16:01] <dpm> jcastro, replying...
[16:01] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7LEIDFCX4
[16:01] <czajkowski> jono: aye
[16:01] <czajkowski> jcastro: did you read the *click* *click* post
[16:01] <czajkowski> trust me there was no other way to feel
[16:01] <jcastro> where?
[16:06] <dholbach> jono, our call should just take a few mins - very quick
[16:07] <dpm> jcastro, ok, comented and marked as dup
[16:07] <jcastro> \o/
[16:12] <jono> dholbach, mind if I talk to dpm first and then do our call?
[16:12] <dholbach> jono, as you like it
[16:13] <jono> czajkowski, the what?
[16:13] <jono> jcastro, that vid is awesome!
[16:13] <czajkowski> http://www.severedfifth.com/2011/03/15/chasing-perfection-in-name-of-the-right-thing-to-do/
[16:14] <jono> czajkowski, ahhh yeah, that one :-)
[16:14] <jono> click click
[16:14] <jono> lol
[16:14] <czajkowski> exactly
[16:14] <czajkowski> dear gods ye had me wondering did I actualy read the post this morning
[16:15] <czajkowski> CLICK CLICK
[16:15] <czajkowski> :)
[16:16] <jcastro> ok
[16:16] <jcastro> so, reamping sounds awesome
[16:16] <jono> dpm, all set
[16:22] <dpm> jono, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:22] <dholbach> popey, team report and agenda updated
[16:33] <jono> dholbach, all set
[16:35] <dholbach> jono, me too
[16:35] <jono> ring ring
[16:40] <popey> win!
[16:50] <dholbach> alright my friends
[16:50] <dholbach> I call it a day
[16:50] <dholbach> my parents are in town and it's time to have dinner together
[16:50] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[18:15] <AlanBell> jcastro: on the sponsorship application form there is a field "I agree to the video agreement(optional)" which is actually a required field
[18:15] <jcastro> yeah that's a bug
[18:15] <jcastro> can you file it in lp.net/summit?
[18:16] <AlanBell> yup
[18:17] <AlanBell> bug 735633
[18:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735633 in summit "I agree to the video agreement (optional): checkbox - actually not optional at all, this field is required" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735633
[19:06] <cjohnston> jcastro / AlanBell bug 735633
[19:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735633 in summit "I agree to the video agreement (optional): checkbox - actually not optional at all, this field is required" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735633
[19:07] <AlanBell> is that the fix? make it required?
[19:07] <cjohnston> it changes the text frop optional to required
[19:08] <AlanBell> yeah, I see that
[19:08] <AlanBell> should it be required or optional though?
[19:08] <cjohnston> are you wanting it to not click submit unless its clicked?
[19:08] <AlanBell> at the moment there is a missmatch between the lable and the reality
[19:09] <cjohnston> correct.. the label will now read that its required, although clicking submit does not require the box to be checked
[19:09] <cjohnston> allowing you to still not agree to it.. but what canonical does with your non-agreement is up to them
[19:09] <AlanBell> it does
[19:10] <AlanBell> you can't click to the next page without checking the box
[19:10] <cjohnston> o
[19:10] <cjohnston> well.. the label will now say required
[19:10] <AlanBell> yes, which is a possible fix to the mismatch
[19:10] <AlanBell> the other fix is to keep it optional and make it not required
[19:11] <cjohnston> is it required to get sponsorship
[19:11] <AlanBell> I don't know which is right, but historically I believe that field was optional
[19:11] <cjohnston> i.e. will they go around and intentionally not film you if you dont agree to be filmed
[19:11] <AlanBell> I doubt it
[19:12] <cjohnston> jcastro: opinion please?
[19:14] <jcastro> it's not required to get sponsorship
[19:14] <cjohnston> ok
[19:14] <jcastro> it's just to save the work of having the person having to sign the paper at registration which can get annoying
[19:15] <jcastro> and then the 1 or 2 people who don't want to be taped I just brief them on which sessions have cameras and where not to sit
[19:16] <cjohnston> ok, changing to remove the requirement of the box to be checked
[19:17] <Pendulum> I've at least once been asked to sign that paper again at registration. Is there an actual list given to Marianna of who has filled out that question?
[19:20] <jcastro> yeah
[19:21] <jcastro> but it's like some form, so maybe they do it to you anyway just in case.
[19:21] <jcastro> *shrug*
[19:21] <jcastro> however at least this time we don't have to update the wiki page with stuff!
[19:23] <cjohnston> I like having to update the wiki every 30 seconds
[19:23] <jcastro> I had this amazing dream
[19:23] <jcastro> that I got to delete the wiki
[19:25] <cjohnston> keep dreaming
[19:52] <czajkowski> so braving the uupc live show and coming on the show
[19:57] <jcastro> that sounds like a bunch of fun
[19:57] <jcastro> I wish I could do that
[19:57] <czajkowski> we have cake!