=== tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [03:13] * ogitux waitting ubuntu-meeting start [03:24] hii persia , elky` when start ubuntu-meeting with Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania thanks before. [03:24] 5 hours or something I think === noy_ is now known as noy === elky` is now known as elky === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [10:02] hii persia , elky, ejat when start ubuntu-meeting with Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania thanks before. [10:06] I'm not sure persia will be able to join us, he's in Japan. ejat, freeflying, lifeless [10:07] * ejat here .. [10:07] ouch .. persia in japan ? hope he's fine :) [10:07] I'm here if you need another board member for numbers - EMEA [10:08] We need another one before we meet quorum [10:08] (besides you, that is) [10:08] have you poked popey or ogra [10:08] o/ [10:08] Not yet, I was giving the members of this board the courtesy of reply for a few minutes. [10:09] elky: fair enough thought it was due t start 8 mins ago. [10:09] Awesome, lets roll. [10:10] ogitux, do you have your pre-prepared introduction ready? [10:11] elky: yes I ready [10:11] ogitux, could you please paste your introduction then? [10:12] elky: start meeting ? [10:12] #startmeeting [10:12] Meeting started at 05:12. The chair is elky. [10:12] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [10:12] [topic] ogitux's application [10:12] New Topic: ogitux's application [10:13] My name Adnan Kashogi , I Live in Indonesia , why I want join member ubuntu because i want study about environment operating system opensource and first in there now I am study system information faculty on indonesia budiluhur university, else I so work in shipping transportation corporat my job is IT Staff. enough [10:15] anything else to add .. [10:15] ogitux, your introduction got cut off at "enough" ... was there more? [10:16] ejat: elky enough [10:16] ogitux, what are your contributions to the Ubuntu project? [10:18] yes I has contribute on Ubuntu Loco Team [10:19] ogitux, what do you do for the loco team? [10:21] ogitux, are you still there? [10:21] elky: yes [10:21] offline meeting [10:21] ups, wrong channel [10:21] ogitux, what do you do for the loco team? [10:22] elky: manage Administration mailling list, active on irc #ubuntu-id, and offline meeting [10:22] ogitux: how are you inovolved http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-id [10:23] udienz, are you here to support ogitux? [10:23] if you're coaching him on the english to use, maybe it might be worth you giving a testimonial on his behalf :) [10:23] elky, yes. i'm here for ogitux [10:24] his english doesn't need to be perfect to be a member, but we do need to hear what he does, and we're a little under-informed at the moment I think [10:24] well, he is a member now. usually only folks with Membership can administrer [10:25] huh? [10:25] but he is very active in IRC, Mailling list [10:25] i mean administer on LP page or under loco.u.c [10:26] sorry for delay :) [10:27] any other thing that he work/contribute .... [10:29] bah, late - sorry [10:29] udienz, i find one email for him in the entire google group, is he posting under a different name? [10:30] elky: my name on google groups is vmlokal [10:30] elky: btw, lifeless doesn't grab me - lifeless: does [10:30] lifeless: if you're here I can head to a meeting [10:31] I am here [10:31] its 2330 but I can stay till 2400 [10:31] http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu/search?group=id-ubuntu&q=vmlokal&qt_g=Search+this+group [10:31] LINK received: http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu/search?group=id-ubuntu&q=vmlokal&qt_g=Search+this+group [10:31] I only see one thread [10:32] udienz, what does ogitux do with the offline meetings? just attend? [10:33] elky. actually i'm not attend while meeting because ogitux home too far from me. but i hear from others that he is not only attend [10:34] ~500km [10:34] udienz, what do others say he does? [10:35] elky, I hear that he come and discussing about Jakarta SubLoco [10:35] maybe 3 times meeting. if i'm not forget [10:35] Ok, I'm ready to vote, lifeless: ejat, popey? [10:36] sure [10:36] [vote] ogitux for member? [10:36] Please vote on: ogitux for member?. [10:36] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [10:36] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [10:36] +0 [10:36] Abstention received from elky. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 [10:36] +0 [10:36] Abstention received from lifeless. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0 [10:36] +0 [10:36] Abstention received from ejat. 0 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0 [10:36] +0 [10:36] Abstention received from popey. 0 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 0 [10:36] I don't feel like enough has been done. The wiki mentions wanting to do packaging in the future, I strongly recommend going via motu [10:37] I agree, its hard to see a significant and sustained contribution [10:37] ack [10:37] if there's contributions we can't see then they need to be more fully documented on the wiki page [10:38] !motu [10:38] motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [10:38] [endvote] [10:38] Final result is 0 for, 0 against. 4 abstained. Total: 0 [10:39] Sorry ogitux. [10:39] elky: okay thanks [10:39] afaik, to get membership via devepment through ~universe-contributor [10:39] shani, are you around? [10:41] got an away ping from shani so moving on. [10:41] stub is not in the channel? [10:42] let me grab hinm [10:42] just poked him in #lp [10:42] ta [10:43] [topic] stub's membership application [10:43] New Topic: stub's membership application [10:43] I'm going to recuse myself from voting on stub unless the other board members want me to - he reports to me @work [10:43] welcome! introduce yourself :) [10:44] lifeless, that would put us below quorum unless you can re-conjour czajkowski or someone else [10:44] Hi, I'm Stuart Bishop and I'm unprepared for this meeting [10:44] czajkowski: persia: yo [10:44] I've worked for Canonical since pre-warty on the Launchpad project a developer and DBA [10:44] elky: its up to you and popey; if you are comfortable that I can be objective enough, I'm happy to vote. [10:45] Apart from Launchpad, my main contributions to Ubuntu are in beta testing and bug reporting. [10:45] I maintain the pytz Python timezone library [10:45] stub: do you do 'formal' testing or is this 'when i find a bug i report it' type testing? [10:46] I'm an expat Australian currently living in Bangkok. [10:46] When I find a bug, I report it, help diagnose and test fixes. [10:46] I can certainly see a lot of bug work [10:46] understandably a lot in launchpad [10:47] stub, how many languages do you speak/write? [10:47] English and some basic Thai. [10:48] I have no more questions and am happy to vote whenever [10:48] I can read a menu in Thai :) [10:48] hah [10:48] stub: do u join thai loco :) [10:48] stub, this is the most important part of a language, indeed. [10:48] i mean .. any loco activities .. [10:48] I've been involved in the local barcamps. Locos are too advanced for my Thai. [10:49] * ejat winks :) [10:49] I do of course ask this question because I'm looking at your translations teams/etc [10:49] c00l barcamps .. [10:49] Either way, I'm ready to vote also [10:50] [vote] stub for membership? [10:50] Please vote on: stub for membership?. [10:50] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [10:50] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [10:50] * ejat too [10:50] +1 [10:50] +1 received from elky. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [10:50] +1 [10:50] +1 received from ejat. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [10:50] +1 [10:50] +1 received from popey. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [10:50] lifeless, your vote is merely a formality :) [10:50] bah, you initiated vote just as I went to get a biscuit! [10:50] +0 [recusing as per above] [10:50] Abstention received from lifeless. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [10:50] \o/ [10:50] thanks for your great work stub, keep it up :) [10:50] [endvote] [10:50] Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3 [10:51] Thanks! [10:51] I'll go get my tattoo then. [10:52] congrate ... [10:52] ubuntu tattoo ? wwooo :) [10:53] ubuntuku around under a different nick? [10:53] * ejat no i dea [10:54] and sadeq doesn't seem to be either [10:54] ubuntuku calling twice .. === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [10:55] We're kind of out of time to process a whole application anyway I think [10:55] also sadeq is MIA [10:55] end meeting i guess .. [10:55] makes sense [10:55] ejat, popey, lifeless: czajkowski, thanks! [10:56] [endmeeting] [10:56] thanks for chairing elky ! [10:56] #endmeeting [10:56] Meeting finished at 05:56. [10:56] thanks for chairing .. [10:56] I *always* fail that. [10:59] thanks all [10:59] thanks all [11:00] popey, ready? :) [11:01] yup [11:02] I pinged Greg, but he might still be asleep :) [11:02] but maybe we can get his opinion or advice over email [11:02] #startmeeting [11:02] Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is dholbach. [11:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda still lists the ubuntu jobs page as an agenda item [11:02] popey, do you recall if we had an action item for it the last time? [11:03] let me check [11:04] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/01/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:01 [11:04] LINK received: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/01/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:01 [11:04] no actions [11:04] ok, nothing on there [11:05] [action] dholbach to get more opinions on bug #605969 [11:05] ACTION received: dholbach to get more opinions on bug #605969 [11:05] Launchpad bug 605969 in Ubuntu Website "Redirect /employment to webapps.ubuntu.com/employment" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605969 [11:05] ok, let's crack on [11:05] [topic] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing [11:05] New Topic: Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing [11:06] (this is the only agenda item I have) [11:06] we asked for feedback on the ubuntu wiki relicensing and established a period of 4 weeks where we wait for advice and concerns until we move on and finally get the content on the wiki a proper license [11:06] we've had a lot of good feedback [11:07] I'm happy to say that the vast vast majority of the comments all appreciated that we are trying to solve a problem and were delighted by the choice of license (cc-by-sa 3.0) [11:07] some comments were related to us not trying to get explicit approval of each and every single contributor to the wiki [11:07] as far as I remember there's been more than 15k contributors to the wiki [11:08] so it's simply not feasible to try to do that [11:08] what we're doing is a best efforts attempt at getting everybody's feedback [11:08] so we mailed every single contributor and also spread the news about it widely [11:09] the single piece of feedback regarding the license itself was about the "drm clause" that's in cc-by-sa 3.0 [11:09] give me a sec to dig it ou [11:10] "When You Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work, You may not impose [11:10] any effective technological measures on the Work that restrict the [11:10] ability of a recipient of the Work from You to exercise the rights [11:10] granted to that recipient under the terms of the License." [11:11] AIUI the concern raised was related to limiting the choice of devices by imposing this clause on users of ubuntu wiki content [11:11] the solution proposed was to "dual license" the content and remove this clause from the "second license" [11:12] I don't speak for the CC here, but personally I can see where the concern is coming from and agree that it'd be unfortunate to limit readers of the content [11:12] unfortunately we don't have folks like greg-g, mdke or mako here who I'm sure would have an opinion on it [11:12] does anybody have any thoughts related to the point above? [11:13] I don't like the idea that we're limiting where people can use the content that community members created [11:14] yes, I agree [11:14] I like the idea that we could generate (for example) a pdf, ebook, epub or whatever format file and distribute that in stores (for free or fee) which have DRM on them [11:14] we will of course always make it available in non-DRM formats [11:14] it'd be nice to get opinions on this specific points (and other related bits) as we haven't received explicit feedback about it via mail yet [11:15] but for the widest possible flexibility I don't think we should limit ourselves [11:15] agreed [11:15] even if we can't make a decision about it now (no quorum, etc.), it would at least be good data points to keep the discussion going [11:15] yes, popey, I agree with you [11:16] Does anyone have feedback about this topic at all? [11:18] I like the dual-licence idea. [11:18] ok... it seems like there's no additional feedback on this, at least not here - if you have additional data points you want the CC to consider, please mail the CC about it [11:18] thanks elky [11:18] popey, maybe we should bring it up in the next CC meeting (with more data points) and aim to make a decision around that time [11:19] yup [11:19] IIRC Greg was pinged about the specific dual-license idea already, so we might have his opinion for the next meeting then [11:19] great [11:19] let's move on then [11:19] [topic] any other business [11:19] New Topic: any other business [11:21] looks like not :) [11:22] heh [11:22] [action] dholbach to produce team report / minutes and find chair for next meeting [11:22] ACTION received: dholbach to produce team report / minutes and find chair for next meeting [11:22] #endmeeting [11:22] Meeting finished at 06:22. [11:22] thanks everyone [11:22] * dholbach hugs popey [11:23] \o/ [11:24] next meeting 29th at 21:00 UTC? [11:26] popey, 5th Apr? [11:26] but, yes, 21:00 [11:26] I don't think we have a fifth thursday of the month rule [11:27] ok, I'll chair [11:27] excellent [11:27] thanks popey [11:27] adjourned :) [11:34] elky: np sorry couldnt stay meetings called === e-jat_ is now known as e-jat === NattyAlcine is now known as JackyAlcine === zul_ is now known as zul === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem === herton is now known as herton_lunch === ogra is now known as Guest56191 === Guest56191 is now known as ogra_ === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === herton_ is now known as herton [16:02] Tue Mar 15 16:01:58 UTC 2011 [16:02] * smb thinks that is correct [16:02] o/ [16:02] \o [16:03] |o| [16:03] o/ [16:04] \o [16:04] hallyn: did you forget to update the wiki page? [16:04] who's up? [16:04] SpamapS: i didnt run the last mtg [16:05] SpamapS: did you forget to update the wiki page? :) [16:05] o/ [16:05] Looks like smoser o zul did.. [16:06] that would be smoser [16:06] the action items look diff from last week's [16:06] i updated this morning [16:06] it is hallyn's turn to lead [16:06] ahh right [16:06] SpamapS: so quit whining [16:06] #startmeeting [16:06] Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is hallyn. [16:06] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:06] smoser: you forgot the header update. [16:06] (sorry i'm late, meeting overan) [16:06] thats what confused me [16:06] i did? [16:06] #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:07] ah. yes. [16:08] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:08] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:08] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations [16:08] Daviey: ^ did that happen? [16:09] hallyn, defer [16:09] :( [16:09] [ACTION] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred) [16:09] ACTION received: Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred) [16:09] thanks [16:09] [TOPIC] Natty Development [16:09] New Topic: Natty Development [16:09] RoAkSoAx: around? [16:09] bleh [16:10] robbiew: around? [16:10] yep [16:10] in terms of development for Natty [16:10] nothing huge to bring up [16:11] upstart ppa would be good [16:11] I need to look at the burndowns, but overall (given we're in feature freeze)...we're fine there [16:11] SpamapS: huh? [16:11] Sorry I typed and hit enter before thinking ;) [16:11] there is an upstart ppa [16:11] ;) [16:11] bug wise...there's the eucalyptus/dhcp thing [16:11] and apparently lxc containers broke with latest openstack updates [16:11] (per zul) [16:12] yay live migration [16:12] but no OMG! issues...at least not yet ;) [16:12] well i got past that part [16:12] Eucalyptus bug, dhcpd - is still a major concern. [16:13] bug #717166 [16:13] Launchpad bug 717166 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu Natty) "Broken with v4 isc-dhcp-server in Natty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717166 [16:13] Daviey: is everyone who needs to be involved, involved? [16:13] hallyn, Upstream have been chased - but still no update. [16:14] no action items to be added here? [16:14] no. [16:14] this is not related to the dhcp server starting before eth0 is up is it? [16:14] no [16:14] robbiew: any more? [16:15] oh, sorry [16:15] nope [16:15] multitasking :/ [16:15] SpamapS, different interface to dhcpd. [16:15] thanks :) [16:15] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:15] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:15] we're trying to decide on a location for a lxc development mini-conf [16:16] preferably in august (earlier I can't attend, later is... too late :) [16:16] any new events? [16:16] and, btw, should a link to the list of events be on the meeting page or something? [16:16] I will be speaking at the mysql UC [16:17] en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/ [16:17] date? [16:17] April 11 - 14 [16:17] topic? :) [16:17] I am speaking on the 13th and will only be ther 13th/14th [16:17] "Run Drizzle on Your Narwhal" [16:17] cool [16:17] http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/public/schedule/detail/17640 [16:17] LINK received: http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/public/schedule/detail/17640 [16:18] oh, hey - ubuntu cloud days counts as an event :) [16:18] next week wed and thu, be there or be square [16:18] Open Stack summit next month as well [16:18] who all is going? [16:18] Right I think thats the next week after the mysql UC [16:19] zul: are you going to openstack summit? [16:19] hallyn: afaik right now yes [16:19] ok, anything else? [16:19] moving on... [16:19] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:19] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:20] we are still blocked on euca [16:20] the dhcp bug again? [16:20] yes [16:20] or still, the bug was open up to last week. I did not receive any updates on it [16:21] this is starting to be a real issue [16:21] apart from that, life is good [16:21] .. [16:21] any sort of escalation we can do? (and action here) or are we jsut stuck waiting? [16:22] Daviey: ? [16:22] hallyn, I will post a another follow up, raising urgency [16:22] [ACTION] Daviey: post another followup one euca-dhcp bug [16:22] ACTION received: Daviey: post another followup one euca-dhcp bug [16:22] thanks Daviey [16:22] any questions for hggdh ? [16:23] moving on, [16:23] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:23] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:23] \o [16:23] So last week mainly was [16:23] * working on some multipath debugging [16:24] * looking into some patches proposed for xen and finding there is much more to do (currently doing that) [16:24] smoser, btw all the requested patches are in Natty [16:24] smb, in a archive kernel ? [16:24] or were they already [16:24] smoser, So if it does not work there (t1.micro and java) it may be something else [16:25] it does not work. at least last i tested. [16:25] it is extremely easy to test [16:25] All patches seemed to be in since 2.6.37 [16:25] yeah, i commented in that bug about the version i tested [16:26] thanks, smb. any questions for him? [16:26] Anyway it makes (unfortunately, as it is a lot of work) sense to sync our lucid-ec2 with upstream opensuse [16:26] i verified it was present in vmlinuz-2.6.38-2-virtual [16:27] hallyn, one thing was your backports of kvm patches too. Sent them up today and nudged for a second ack for our lucid tree [16:27] smb, there is discussion in bug 732046 [16:27] Launchpad bug 732046 in linux (Ubuntu) "Missing filesystem modules in -virtual package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732046 [16:27] smb: yup, thanks, saw that [16:27] brought up by loic. we have a need for some -virtual module or config work [16:27] smoser, Yeah, I should look into that probably today [16:27] I think its just missing statements in including files [16:28] ? [16:28] i'm confused [16:28] the config defintely needs improving to include filesystem modules [16:28] that is true [16:28] [ACTION] smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046 [16:28] ACTION received: smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046 [16:28] Launchpad bug 732046 in linux (Ubuntu) "Missing filesystem modules in -virtual package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732046 [16:28] but the larger issue is the divergence from -server, which i think is inevitable [16:29] smoser, I think the problem is that there is the config and the build modules, but I also saw some sort of use-this-for-packaging file [16:29] Maybe a bit of a leftover from having virtual not be a real falvour [16:29] ok. well i will certainly defer to you on that. [16:29] going forward, i would ike -vrtual to be [16:29] can you guys follow up on this offline then? Sounds like there is some discussion to be had. [16:29] a.) slimmer than -server [16:30] b.) "just work" for as many hypervisors as possible (including built-in) [16:30] sure. [16:30] moving on [16:30] thanks. smb, anything else, else i'll move on [16:30] I am done [16:30] thanks [16:30] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [16:30] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [16:31] sommer is not here [16:31] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [16:31] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [16:31] do we have a proxy for the community? [16:31] :) [16:31]